There's so many points like this one you're describing that it becomes very difficult to believe those were just simple "mistakes". Together with the whole demeanor of the Ramseys' and their lawyers, this looks like it was a major cover-up. And it's quite unbelievable by itself, why would so many people be ok with such an obvious cover-up? Feels like half the police and DA office were in on the thing, which feels weird.
@@jtabox The answer to why so many people would be okay, is because the Ramsey's were wealthy. And I don't even mean they were paying people off. They were a wealthy family with connections and people like that can literally get away with murder.
@@FlorianMark While I definitely don't disagree with the incompetence argument, I can't accept that the multiple failures from the police's and the DA's side were simply because of incompetence. I'd accept it if it was a couple mistakes, even major ones. But here there's so many mistakes and so absolutely targeted towards making sure the family isn't seriously considered the nr.1 suspect, that there must be another driving force. And the most plausible in my mind is corruption and the family paying themselves off the hands of justice.
@@jtabox well keep in mind this place hadn't had a murder in like decades. Never assume malice when it's far more likely they all just sucked at their jobs and wanted to make nice with the local super rich socialites
I’m starting to understand why everyone thought the Ramsey’s were responsible. It’s one thing to lawyer up and not talk to police but what happened went beyond that
@@magnusmalmborn8665screaming before he turned on the light. Then the friend ran in, as the light was turned on the Ramsey father headed to a bundle and began to unwrap it - revealing the daughter inside. So why did he yell? - in the black windowless room. How did he know that one particular bundle in the junk room was important? Ie contained his daughter. So I am suspicious that the family was behaving performativity - Poor acting at that.
The more details you highlight, the more it becomes obvious, glaringly obvious, that the only reason it wasn't an open and shut case is that ridiculously corrupted DA (not even the police, which I feel is kinda rare when it comes to "unsolvable" cases). Thank you for keeping up the great work and untangling all the knots in the popular narrative of this case.
Still though, supposedly the system has many cogwheels. Even if DA was ridiculously corrupt (and it's absolutely plausible, I don't disagree), there's supposedly other officials that could uncover this whole situation. But seemingly almost every official in this case is acting like they're lobotomized, thinking the DA's actions are fine. And for what purpose? To cover up the murder of a little girl from her family? Why was it so important that it lead to so many people looking the other way?
@@jtabox Boulder government had been harassing competent police with paperwork and bureaucracy until all that was left were the idiotic yes men who let them get away with this. The big spike in Colorado crime rates come 2000 wasn't an increase in violence, it was just an increase in transparency and effective policing.
This is one of the only times where I can't really blame shit cops, but even if this had started as a homicide investigation, I doubt they would've done things all that much better, all things considered.
Really glad that y’all are covering this case. For those of us who haven’t deep-dived into it before and have been flustered by the hundreds of details and complexities, it’s awesome to see it laid out like this with the inclusion of the finer details. As usual your coverage is impeccably researched and concise. 👍
It seems strange that Patsy would say “will this help me find my baby?” That strikes me as an odd thing to say considering at that point they knew she hadn’t been kidnapped.
@ the issue is that what is acting as? It was already known her daughter was dead and they knew where the body was. What was there to find? It just seemed to be a weird slip
@@emilyburton4095yes! I have the same question, along with; who was he meeting and what was he doing when he disappeared to get the mail (their mail was always delivered)?
The amount of clear conspiracy between the DA and all the family and friends of the Ramseys is insanity. I’ve never looked into this case before and all the info is maddening
As a mother of four, I can attest to the fact that "normal" parents don't get that upset over toileting accidents. All of my kids were potty trained by about three and a half, but my youngest had nighttime bed wetting accidents until he was 8. We just put a plastic sheet on his mattress and always had a fresh set of undies and pajamas nearby so we could quickly get him out of the wet clothes and into clean, dry ones pretty quickly without him even fully waking up. Oh, and baby wipes for a quick wipe-down in between to keep his skin from being irritated by any urine residue. It's really not a big deal. They're kids. 🤷♀️ I know that there are *LOTS* of stories of people freaking out and abusing and eventually murdering their children over potty training, but those aren't "normal" parents. They're pretty much always parents who have had numerous interactions with DCF/CPS and the children are typically covered in a variety of injuries, old and new and everywhere in between. But your average parent isn't going to lose it one day out of the blue and murder their 6yo for wetting the bed.
@@louiseharraway2599I disagree, too. There are many case with parents killing their own children. It just that when you have a parent, like this one, that think every parent is the same and act like them, is going to be a slap in the face to rest that see this shit happen every now and then.
I ask the question, because they are normal parents like you, that do seem normal on the outside but in the inside is might be different. This case is one of them. Half the cases that involved children being murder is by their "normal" parents.
Omg I'm usually so patient with my favorite content creators but I got anxious when the video mentioned to be continued in part 4.... This is a compelling topic.
In order to do this right, I have to do it in parts. There’s just too much information to cram into one video and I can only do so much research/writing each week.
Lokheed is as deep state as it gets. Even lower anked people have that power. And hate to break it to you, but a lot of DA's seem to be in deep state pocket.
With the layout of the house and the length of the ransom note. Not to mention the actions of her parents and friends and family it's hard to even think it's an outsider. Unless it was a former house worker or former house owner. Ive always thought that they did have some knowledge of what happened. I don't think we will ever know the truth. This was one major disaster on every part. Especially the parents. Thank you for covering this. Hopefully there will be someone somewhere who can figure it out.Have a very Merry Christmas
Wouldnt you be more likely to damage a part of your hand or phalange? An ankle break to click a touchscreen seams odd! Add him to the suspects list! Kidding..😂
I watched the netflix special before I watched your videos. The amount of details left out on the netflix special is insane! You're videos have been so informative and tells a whole different story!
Your coverage and research is so thorough, organized, and logical! Can you look into covering Mexico's version of Jonbenet Ramsey: the death of Paulette Gebara Farah? That case keeps me up at night and is so convoluted and confusing that I think your research and organizational skills could present it well.
Thank you so much for reminding me of the name, I been trying to dig it up from my memory for weeks It was so completely ludicrous how they found her in her own room despite claiming that family have been sleeping on the bed
Yeah, that one is *CRAZY* !!! Even if she was so tiny she could have been hidden, what about the smell?! There's no way a dead body was in that room for *_nine days_* without anybody smelling it! It doesn't matter how tiny she was - anyone who's had a mouse die in the walls or under the floorboards can attest to this. So wth happened?! I'd definitely love to hear LL break that one down!
@KhandiiedYams1039 I think Georgia Marie is very respectful. Her video was good. I first watched the docuseries on Netflix but that was a dramatic retelling so maybe not what you're looking for.
Knowing that the body was in the house in a place where only the family would have known about the whole time and nobody ever thought that was suspicious you know that's it's just crazy to me
And yet... (I know it's a TV show) On Law & Order, the Police supposedly check an entire apartment after a grisly murder only for the Detective to "find" some kid hiding in a closet! 🤦
Thank you for the comment. I have always read the KJV, but I'd like to have an easier-to-understand version to recommend to newbies. I've always found the NIV to be terribly inaccurate, destroying the contextual meaning.
I absolutely love the amount of research you and your team put into all of your videos! That is one of the many reasons I hope one day you cover the case of Summer Wells. As a mother, I think of that little girl every day. The Summer Wells case is very off like the case of JonBenet.
I agree. They were more interested in attacking Kolar than they were in finding the killer. If your child was truly missing, you would do any interviews, polygraph, anything to help the police find your child.
@@melissasw64 as well as anything to show you aren't the culprit, like working with police and answering questions with legal counsel. But to constantly sabotage the investigation with lawfare and be a constant roadblock is weird to say the least
@ absolutely. If your child was missing or killed, you would do absolutely anything to help the police. You would risk failing a polygraph test, looking like a fool, anything.
I remember watching this play out as it happened... There definitely was something strange going on inside of the house, but the strong relationship with the DA and how the parents were over reacting as if they were guilty of something just shows in all they were allowed to do and get away with after the incident! Anyone who watched a few episodes of Law & Order would know that Only the police would be allowed inside of a house once it is determined to be a crime scene... How could the house be considered "searched" if all of the rooms were not searched thoroughly... If a room is dark, why not summon someone with a flashlight? To let someone inside of an active crime scene without a police escort to remove items is wild! The family leaving town before being interviewed after the incident... I remember that this was the most bungled crime scene in my memory... Until the OJ murders...
It's truly baffling how thoroughly B O T C H E D this investigation was, from the absolute start to the end. It's unbelievable how the Ramseys' lawyers were dictating what can and can't be done, or that "prosecutor", for whom... I don't even know what to say. Truly baffling, to the point I'm starting to wonder if I've misunderstood parts of what happened during the investigation.
Inexperienced police force, apparently a lot of misdirection from the start of the investigation, obstruction by the DA and the Ramsey's lawyer/private investigator(s). If a mystery writer were to have written this, it wouldn't be considered believable. Fact being stranger than fiction.
@@BoundlessMillennial Absolutely agree with you, it just feels like they must've paid enormous amounts to a whole lot of people, in order for everyone to behave like brain dead.
Read between the lines; the Ramseys were clearly using their money and influence to pull the DA's strings. The guys at Lore Lodge can only say so much without being sued for libel by the scummy family so they have to pick their words carefully and lead you to certain realizations instead of outright saying them.
Thank you for the amazing work you are doing I'm so happy to be able to watch you investigate things almost nobody else will in such great detail with a focus on getting to the truth
How ironic is it that Jon's older son Jon Andrew basically rules out an intruder or "small foreign faction" being responsible... Yep Jon Andrew... I happen to agree my guy...
I was on the fence initially but then watched the Netflix documentary and concluded the same thing when Jon said that they decided not to tell Patsy that she was terminal. At that point it dawned on me that if you were part of a conspiracy, the most dangerous time for any accomplice is when someone else involved is on their deathbed, possibly feeling inclined to make good with God.
@@simonlarge2052They didn't tell her she was dying? That's pretty monstrous. No reason to do that unless you were afraid of some sort of deathbed confession.
@@simonlarge2052Good thinking but it falls apart when you think about How She could have still Done it in her last couple days When she obviously knew she was dying by that point
They were wealthy, so they had access to the special Justice system that caters to wealthy business leaders. Guilt is a secondary consideration. This should be acutely obvious to everyone right now.
My theory has always been that the Ramsey's had help from the PD and lawyers to help them cover things up. Even down to the very first day, the fact that they invited friends over after calling the police is absolutely wild. That is not normal behavior. I'm convinced someone told them to invite as many people over as possible specifically to contaminate the crime scene. The same with the sister being allowed to go inside, by herself, and load up six boxes of stuff to just take. That's so far beyond incompetent that I have trouble believing it's an accident. Just letting her inside AT ALL would be incompetence. Letting her go inside without anyone with her would be EXTREME incompetence. Letting her then take six boxes of stuff that you barely look at, is being complicit.
I genuinely love these videos. Thank you for the amount of research and talking you do. Listen to these to sleep and you present these without bias and let everyone form their own opinions on the facts. I eat these up every time
The number of times the investigators botched this case is baffling. Mind-boggling, even. It's well beyond the realm of "acceptable human error", and I would even venture to say that it gets into "this is suspiciously bad" territory. To the point where I'm suspicious that the police were bought off, or even protecting the Ramsays from serious investigation. It's just too bad to be chalked up to a simple "oops, our mistake.".
Not sure it is (entirely) the police 's fault - the DA seems to have obstructed them at every turn. The Ramsey lawyer and PI did really good jobs obstructing the police as well. But the police let the sister practically loot the house completely unsupervised, and didn't even audit/inventory the boxes she took out of the house, was completely incompetent.
I appreciate your coverage of this so much! JonBenet deserves so badly for someone to continue to come at this from as unbiased as possible as and to try to get to the bare bone facts.
I have listened to a few podcasts and watched the Netflix documentary on this topic. This is the first time I heard that they had a friend that took a whole bunch of stuff from the house only days after the crime and that there was clearly more than one practice note on the pad of paper. It is amazing how one sided that documentary was.
I have followed this case since it happened back in 96. It was Patsys own sister who went in to that house in a police uniform and took items out for Patsy. Who KNOWS what evidence she could have removed!!!!! Also, when I heard Netflix was making a documentary, I got a little sick to my stomach. Still haven’t watched it and I don’t think I can. When I heard it was biased in favor of the Ramseys, I wasn’t shocked. This is what Mr Ramsey wants. New people to the case to watch this and they get a completely false narrative!! The people who were watching this case in the late 90’s know how this is making the Ramseys look like victims.
@@pamelasmith6221this video series is entirely one sided too. As was much of the coverage from back in the day. Headlines saying the parents did it with zero evidence and what not. Please.
I've known about that for a long time, but also the Netflix documentary is probably one of the worst documentaries you could watch when it comes to this case
@@brandonmiller9155yeah it sounds one-sided when you read directly from the police department and people involved in the case that are not being paid by the Ramsey's😂😂. Weird how that became to be
I have to say excellent job!!! I was 17yrs old when she was murdered… There is information in this 3rd episode/part that has NEVER in close to 30yrs been made public. Amazing coverage and research.
Here’s something to ponder: if one of the Ramsay’s did it (which I agree that they look pretty guilty), then either John or Patsy orchestrated events afterward to ensure that the crime scene was so hopelessly bungled and compromised that this crime could never be definitively solved. Not only that, but they did all this in the span of around six hours, in the middle of the night, under a great deal of stress. Maybe that was an accident, but it seems unlikely. Did either John or Patsy have knowledge of law enforcement procedures, or have an obvious interest in crime solving, cold cases, etc… that might have given them the insight on how to cover up the murder? That’s one thing I have never heard addressed.
My theory is the burke did it and they made this weird crime scene to cover it. She had pineapple in her stomach which she was supposedly allergic to. I read once that she might have taken some and he got mad, hit or pushed her and she died. The parents freaked out and this is the outcome. I'm hoping this channel addresses this idea in part 4.
@ To me, that is the only explanation that makes any sense, but it still has holes in it. If I was a parent, I might cover up a murder to protect my only remaining child; I probably would not cover it up if my spouse was the one responsible. But to get three of them, including a child (Burke), to keep quiet and stick to the same story for yeas and years, that takes some doing…. It’s a weird case all around….
18:50 I don't think it's entirely fair to say Patsy was accusing Linda of murder a few days earlier - if you are asked by police who might have a motive and (in an already distressed state) you're going to overthink and throw out all sorts of names - doesn't mean you legitimately believe someone did anything- hence the hug.
Great job Aiden!! You guys do great work!! Im absolutely obsessed! Can't wait for your next drop. But please take some time to enjoy the holiday and rest.
As a Correctional Officer for 14y…I’m amazed at the criminal mind. One inmate stands out. He stalked many people. Routinely watched them sleep, roamed freely about their home. Once when a female was bathing and she ducked under the water, he slipped a rubber ducky in the tub.😱 So am I bothered by the “ransom” note on the stairs? Not in the least.
I've seen comments on other channels saying he's annoying. I said he can be as annoying as he wants with an IQ of a trillion. That guy's intelligence is through the roof
I have heard some fascinating theories over the years... but I keep coming back to that ransom letter, there is no other theory that hasn't stumbled when explaining the writing of a 3 page letter inside the house you are not supposed to be in.
The research in your videos is always admirable and I deeply appreciate it. The amount of misinformation that is constantly spread about this case is astonishing. Tik tok has really streamlined my experience in witnessing the lies about the case. I think that people are far too comfortable making assumptions based on one piece of information. The fact of the matter is, for people who aren’t doing thorough research, we don’t know for sure. I think too many people forget that we are talking about the murder of a 6 year old girl. The tragedy in that alone should prompt people to approach the conversation with more tact. So, all of that to say, thank you for the level of respect you bring to these cases.
Still thoroughly convinced it was the brother with the flashlight. Then patsy constructed the ransom letter and John had the unfortunate task of crafting and using the other implement.
Honestly I dont see John doing that. I can see a mother doing it but not a father. They jabbed the paintbrush in her vagina to the extent she was bleeding and had splinters. It seems a task of a more frenetic neurotic type person and that was Patsy not John. Plus if Burke did it, I just feel like mothers are more feral in their willingness to do anything to protect their kids even if it’s outrageous.
I'd never heard of this case before this series, so thank you for putting out such well-researched content. Wow. Such a messed up case. Obstruction of justice and corruption from start to finish. There's so much that I can even overlook the mild LE incompetence present, since they had neither the people nor the policies in place to conduct either a kidnapping OR a murder investigation.
I’m old enough to have seen this case unfold in real time, and law enforcements incompetence, was far from mild. From the get go, we were all astonished how poorly this case was being handled
@WinterWitch01 - I was 11 at the time all this went down, and in a different state, so I wasn't aware of anything except an uptick in criticism of child pageantry. Which I generally agree with. Either way, I only have the details as presented in this series to go off of. That is, frankly, enough. Because holy crap, you aren't wrong. The sheer effusion of missteps and lackadaisical approach to investigation is shocking. The allowances they made of the family - for any investigation of ANY kind - are egregious. The lack of procedure, the violations of standing procedure, the allowance of uninvolved individuals to contaminate the scene, the allowance of the parents to operate autonomously in the initial moments (why was he allowed to walk through the house to find the body at all?!), and all of that before the clearly corrupt DA's office became involved... It doesn't matter who did it, or why, because the police will never be able to collect enough evidence to actually do anything about it.
Keep up the good sleuthing boys. I really appreciate the coverage of this case. Growing up in the 90s as a kid, this one really shocked me, even as a child. Always wondered how everything could get so botched.
In response to the intro: Understanding the mind of monsters, human or otherwise, real or fictional is a specialty of mine. What could lead to the garrotting of a child? A cover up or misdirection. A merci killing, but unwilling to do it directly with ones own hands. An obsession with strangulation and the method varies between individuals. As for the blunt force trauma to the head, that could be anything from the result of a fight where nobody was supposed to get hurt, to an attempt to knock her out, not expecting it to be as destructive to her head as it wound up being. I don't believe her parents or even her brother, whichever one struck her in the head, intended to do so much harm, and it's possible it wasn't a strike, but a push and she hit something hard. However, the parents knew how it would look if they took her to the hospital, and it could ruin them, so one of them finished her off via garrotting, while the other wrote a fake ransom note. And then the next morning they made sure as many people were inside that house as possible, so that evidence was obscurred. And I bet if you have traced a call from John cellphone to the DA, the DA would have received a call that night, and is probably the one who guided the parents on what to do. Him getting in the way of the investigation and leaking evidence to the Ramsey's before they'd have normally had been allowed access to it, also helped cover up his own involvement(or so he probably thought, but it really just incriminated him).
As a Colorado resident this case was talked about by my mother and aunt an awfully lot now that I’m older it makes sense that this shouldn’t be forgotten about.
Awesome as always thanks guys Merry Christmas and happy holidays to you both and all who celebrate! Would you please consider covering the disappearance of Ricky Jean Bryant? The case reminds me of the sodder children case and I would love to hear your guys take on it!
I just got home from hanging out with my friends all day and evening, this is perfectly on time to help me unwind XD. Thank you guys for covering this case as it's one I've heard many speak on but never actually go in depth!
I always thought it was the eldest Ramsey son, but now I would vote to convict Patsy. Thank you for being so thorough and respectful in this deep dive. It's been informative & non-sensational. Happy Holidays to you all at the lodge🎄
This video made for The Most Perfect of Friday Nights as I’m So Excited to watch this 3rd part of the JonBenet case series! Now, Despite how Brilliant this video was (as with all of the other Lore Lodge videos that I’ve watched), I just wanted to point this out: Because John Andrews and JonBenet had the same father (John Ramsey), JonBenet was John Andrews Half Sister, Not Step Sister- Anyways, bc I like So Many Others have been Obsessed with this Tragic case for all of these years, I have Really Enjoyed learning Aidan’s/ The Lore Lodge’s take on it- Especially bc our viewpoints on it seem to be one in the same- Lastly, Wishing Aidan, The Lore Lodge team, and all of you out there in the comments a Very Merry Christmas and a New Year filled with Many Blessings!! And, to Aidan and the LL team, I’m Really looking forward to seeing what you guys have in store for all of us in 2025!
My feelings are that the police using bible verses as investigative tools is akin to them also using a medium, or ghost hunters, or a dowsing rod, or even horoscopes. Horribly unprofessional.
Given the situation, they were really looking for anything at all that could explain a piece of the puzzle. The Bible verses were relevant because they found John’s Bible open to a psalm in which the first letter of several sentences lines up with the initials on the ransom note.
Given the situation, they were really looking for anything at all that could explain a piece of the puzzle. The Bible verses were relevant because they found John’s Bible open to a psalm in which the first letter of several sentences lines up with the initials on the ransom note.
@@TheLoreLodge Yeah, that sounds like someone finding something that they were looking for. As for the initials on the ransom note, one interpretation is that they stood for the "Small Business Technology Council", which is described as a loose consortium of overseas technology-interested organizations and individuals. Today, they deal mainly in Bitcoin. I have not heard anyone mention that yet.
Oh Lord thank you I forgot I had saved like the first one in my watch list and got busy and never got a notification for the other I was looking forward to this.
P.S. we have a young daughter, I could not imagine nor do I want to even think of what my wife and I would go through if something like this would happen to us. I will tell you one thing. It would take an act of god to separate me from my kiddo. The actions of this family from the beginning is wrong. Grieving is diff with everyone, but there is no grieving here. Just CYA. Guilty or not. I loath these people.
They did grieve. They both threw themselves on top of her. First John and then Patsy. Patsy begged for the priest to raise her like Lazarus. Although it's said Patsy was peaking through her fingers to see if she was being observed crying. That sounds pretty suspect. Real grieving doesn't include spying on whoever is watching you.
Brand new viewer here. This channel was recommended in order to watch the Ramsey case. It sounds like you are most likely a Bible believer. I always find it fascinating how many people can be seemingly critical thinkers in one sense and clearly not in another. I'm still interested enough to watch the next video in this series.
I don't find it unusual at all that the family wanted to get all kinds kinds of personal documents, personal Mementos, and comfort items after the crime happened. It makes perfect sense from the perspective of a loved one thinking of their best interests. But not from a investigative perspective. Whoever is in charge of that scene is the one who has to explain to the family why they can't take as much as they would like. If they didnt do that then of course the family was going bring a trunk load of stuff if they know the family cant come back for a period of time!
My question is why didn't the police arrest the Ramsey families lawyer for preventing them from testing the evidence, something doesn't add up about the case.
I can't believe anyone could have ever taken the small foreign faction bit seriously like from the beginning it was obvious the family was involved by all the suspicious Behavior
the reason that i will NEVER NOT think it was the Ramsey's - they act like Mariah Carey and her PR team arranging an interview just after she's broken up with someone... if that's not a major sign of controlling the narrative and not making comments that can come back to bite you, i don't know what is! I think it was John (and maybe a friend), and he blamed Burke, and so, Patsy, even though she couldn't figure out if it was John or Burke, had to protect them either way, and that's why she wrote the ransom letter, called other people to come over to taint the crime scene, and sent her sister in to further taint the crime scene by moving stuff and removing stuff. secondarily... weirdly enough, as the (former) golden child of a narc parent, and being named after said narc parent... i know the projection and ownership that that creates on a child. it's terrifying what a narcissistic parent thinks of their child, especially the ones named after themselves. my mother made it very clear from a young age that my body wasn't mine to do with whatever *I* wanted. and she only put me in one pageant, imagine how little autonomy JonBenet had over her body when she was supposed to be her mothers little pageant doll. And how easily that lack of autonomy could have been used by her father. RIP sweet angel Jo, you deserved to be your own person...
I agree that both Ramseys were narcissists - more so Patsy. She re lived her childhood vicariously through her young daughter, pagent after pagent. My late mother was a narcissist. I was the youngest 'golden child'. My 2 older siblings hated me, and once had tried to kill me.
As I've stated before, little boys who have been molested, often end up molesting others. There was something strange about the anger of those children towards each other.
@@jacquelinejacobson6789 yeah i agree, i think patsy was an overt narc or just openly highly narcissistic from being in the pageant world where it was encouraged, while john was a covert narcissist. his first son being named after him and then jonbenet being also named jon is too big of a red flag to ignore. it's like narcissist mother could never let her children be best friends or they would have each other, and therefore leave her. i hope your life since your mother's passing, and your siblings inexcusable actions, has been free from the exhaustive weight that must've been on your shoulders since birth. 🖤
"It all felt a little too intense for a child as young as JonBenét" And then fast forward some years and you have reality series about mothers doing that and then some with their daughters, to enough viewership for multiple seasons.
Completely unrelated, but wondering if you ever have or would do a deep dive into the case of Lawrence Sullivan? A 3 year old that went missing in October 1930 and was found alive several days later by a Native American tracker under incredibly strange circumstances. This is the most bizarre case I’ve ever read about and I’m curious if there is something I’m missing or there’s more to the story that I’m not aware of.
I am totally for suspects' rights, and fully believe in being innocent before being proved guilty. I also am a proponent of police not using illegal or even borderline illegal investigative methods. So, they cannot force the Ramseys to come in for interviews. But, there are other strategies that they could have employed. For instance, the police could have made an announcement that the Ramseys were no longer considered to be suspects in the murder. To doesn't matter who thinks who is being looked at closely in the investigation of a murder, and something as stupid and simple as that little lie is, it could release some tension between all of the parties, and perhaps even allowed people to relax long enough to make a mistake. I just don't understand why the police insisted on being public about these things. But, it was the 90s after all.
I think Steve Thomas should be ashamed of himself for writing a book maligning Patsy and then doubled down and said it to her face. I think it's painfully obvious that she did NOT murder Jonbenet. I think she is an enabling woman who enabled her husband and son to be the abusive people they were. She is an abused woman herself and how Thomas thought John was blameless shows you how wrong he actually is. He may have some unresolved mommy issues to make him cast sole blame on Patsy when it is clear that Burke did this perhaps along with John? Maybe John Andrew? Who knows? But Thomas should be absolutely ashamed of his stupidity. It really showed how inept he was at his job.
I'm curious, in the first episode of this series, the Netflix doc was referenced and how that would be watched for critique, are you guys still intending to do that? The documentary portrays Steve Thomas as a bumbling idiot void of a credibility, and I'm genuinely curious to see the points countering the Netflix doc that your guy's research has run into.
I love this series, i have watched random episodes over the years regarding this case, and there were some things im hearing for the first time. I never knew Patsy sister went back inside at the crine scene and how much stuff was removed.
they took the elderly neighbors' medical records but didn't follow the sister into the active crime scene. unbelievable.
There's so many points like this one you're describing that it becomes very difficult to believe those were just simple "mistakes". Together with the whole demeanor of the Ramseys' and their lawyers, this looks like it was a major cover-up. And it's quite unbelievable by itself, why would so many people be ok with such an obvious cover-up? Feels like half the police and DA office were in on the thing, which feels weird.
@@jtabox you underestimate the sheer incompetence of some police officers especially back in the time and in small jurisdictions.
@@jtabox The answer to why so many people would be okay, is because the Ramsey's were wealthy. And I don't even mean they were paying people off. They were a wealthy family with connections and people like that can literally get away with murder.
@@FlorianMark While I definitely don't disagree with the incompetence argument, I can't accept that the multiple failures from the police's and the DA's side were simply because of incompetence.
I'd accept it if it was a couple mistakes, even major ones. But here there's so many mistakes and so absolutely targeted towards making sure the family isn't seriously considered the nr.1 suspect, that there must be another driving force. And the most plausible in my mind is corruption and the family paying themselves off the hands of justice.
@@jtabox well keep in mind this place hadn't had a murder in like decades. Never assume malice when it's far more likely they all just sucked at their jobs and wanted to make nice with the local super rich socialites
I’m starting to understand why everyone thought the Ramsey’s were responsible. It’s one thing to lawyer up and not talk to police but what happened went beyond that
Yes, him running into the basement and immediately finding the body in that maze is super suspicious.
@@magnusmalmborn8665Not to mention that someone else opened the door to that room and didn't see the body at first.
I suggest reading or listening to Steve Thomas’ book because this just scratched the surface of how insane it all was.
@@magnusmalmborn8665screaming before he turned on the light. Then the friend ran in, as the light was turned on the Ramsey father headed to a bundle and began to unwrap it - revealing the daughter inside.
So why did he yell? - in the black windowless room.
How did he know that one particular bundle in the junk room was important? Ie contained his daughter.
So I am suspicious that the family was behaving performativity - Poor acting at that.
@@jizy06Michael hedgoth look him up
"Santa Claus was added to the list of suspects" is the most Ace Attorney-ahh line in Lore Lodge history
I had a chuckle when I wrote it
Dying at this comment 😂
The more details you highlight, the more it becomes obvious, glaringly obvious, that the only reason it wasn't an open and shut case is that ridiculously corrupted DA (not even the police, which I feel is kinda rare when it comes to "unsolvable" cases). Thank you for keeping up the great work and untangling all the knots in the popular narrative of this case.
Still though, supposedly the system has many cogwheels. Even if DA was ridiculously corrupt (and it's absolutely plausible, I don't disagree), there's supposedly other officials that could uncover this whole situation. But seemingly almost every official in this case is acting like they're lobotomized, thinking the DA's actions are fine. And for what purpose? To cover up the murder of a little girl from her family? Why was it so important that it lead to so many people looking the other way?
The fact that the Ramsey lawyer was dictating the police on what potential evidence could or couldn't be tested is absolutely wild!!!
I don't think it would have mattered. Even if they knew who did it the crime scene is so fucked it would never result in a conviction.
@@jtabox Boulder government had been harassing competent police with paperwork and bureaucracy until all that was left were the idiotic yes men who let them get away with this.
The big spike in Colorado crime rates come 2000 wasn't an increase in violence, it was just an increase in transparency and effective policing.
This is one of the only times where I can't really blame shit cops, but even if this had started as a homicide investigation, I doubt they would've done things all that much better, all things considered.
Really glad that y’all are covering this case. For those of us who haven’t deep-dived into it before and have been flustered by the hundreds of details and complexities, it’s awesome to see it laid out like this with the inclusion of the finer details. As usual your coverage is impeccably researched and concise. 👍
You shouuld watch True crime rocket science. The dude has probabl;y written 50 dissertations on it by now, figuratively speaking.
@@wrongturnVfordude that guy is so underrated
@@wrongturnVfor
Only 50? I swear he has a new video a day on this.
You mean in the past 30 years you haven't gathered the details of this huge case by now 😂
It seems strange that Patsy would say “will this help me find my baby?” That strikes me as an odd thing to say considering at that point they knew she hadn’t been kidnapped.
Exactly! I thought that was bizarre. Maybe she was blitzed on her prescribed benzos?
Or just acting 🤔
@ the issue is that what is acting as? It was already known her daughter was dead and they knew where the body was. What was there to find? It just seemed to be a weird slip
@@undonebassist8783 might be acting she is confused.
Wouldn't be the first person that tries and trick the police.
@ Oh certainly not but that just struck me as an odd thing to say
Can this video be pushed back? I have a meeting in Atlanta I CANT skip…
I see what you did there
Lookin pretty sus 🤨
@@harleyross1981 hehe 😅
If they were leaving for Michigan that day, why would he have a meeting scheduled in Atlanta?
@@emilyburton4095yes! I have the same question, along with; who was he meeting and what was he doing when he disappeared to get the mail (their mail was always delivered)?
The amount of clear conspiracy between the DA and all the family and friends of the Ramseys is insanity. I’ve never looked into this case before and all the info is maddening
You do know they found the actual killer right? They have his DNA in her pantys.
He died in prison he said things only the killer would know. He was also in prison for raping 2 other little girls.
@@charlie-xu4zu Thats touch DNA, the clothing could've come out of the factory with it for all anyone knows.
@ I’m pretty sure they found it was possible for these to be traces of dna from manufacturing? I could wrong tho
That’s not true.
It's a shame. All that Bible studying and time in church and the Ramseys largest testimony to the world is what MONEY can do for you.
That is the vast majority of Christians
@ "For God so loved the world he gave us Whole Foods and American Express."
@@lucasvaughn629correction: EVERYONE ..
@@lucasvaughn629No, it absolutely is NOT.
@@lucasvaughn629I agree. The meanest, most insular, least generous, most scornful, most intolerant people I've ever met are Christians
As a mother of four, I can attest to the fact that "normal" parents don't get that upset over toileting accidents. All of my kids were potty trained by about three and a half, but my youngest had nighttime bed wetting accidents until he was 8. We just put a plastic sheet on his mattress and always had a fresh set of undies and pajamas nearby so we could quickly get him out of the wet clothes and into clean, dry ones pretty quickly without him even fully waking up. Oh, and baby wipes for a quick wipe-down in between to keep his skin from being irritated by any urine residue. It's really not a big deal. They're kids. 🤷♀️
I know that there are *LOTS* of stories of people freaking out and abusing and eventually murdering their children over potty training, but those aren't "normal" parents. They're pretty much always parents who have had numerous interactions with DCF/CPS and the children are typically covered in a variety of injuries, old and new and everywhere in between. But your average parent isn't going to lose it one day out of the blue and murder their 6yo for wetting the bed.
i disagree with you
@louiseharraway2599 Could you please expound on that opinion? I'm always interested to hear opposing perspectives.
@@louiseharraway2599I disagree, too. There are many case with parents killing their own children. It just that when you have a parent, like this one, that think every parent is the same and act like them, is going to be a slap in the face to rest that see this shit happen every now and then.
What is your definition of "normal" parents?
I ask the question, because they are normal parents like you, that do seem normal on the outside but in the inside is might be different. This case is one of them. Half the cases that involved children being murder is by their "normal" parents.
Just a note. Jonbenet is John Andrews half sister, not step sister. They share a parent
Did I refer to her as a step-sister?
@@TheLoreLodge 11:03
@@TheLoreLodge11:03 it’s a common mistake. I just wanted to point it out. Great video!
@@booksandbluestockings8664 turns out that was a direct quote from Thomas
@@TheLoreLodge Curse you, Thomas! *Shakes fist*
i'm glad this exists. it really shows how much context and detail that other documentary left out in comparison.
Omg I'm usually so patient with my favorite content creators but I got anxious when the video mentioned to be continued in part 4.... This is a compelling topic.
In order to do this right, I have to do it in parts. There’s just too much information to cram into one video and I can only do so much research/writing each week.
Thank you for all the work you do on these cases. 🎉 It really is top quality. ❤ I can't wait to see all parts of this. 😊
@@TheLoreLodge Indeed. Take as long as you need. This is important.
@@TheLoreLodgeI do hope you will put up a full compilation video when it’s complete
@@chronobretz9511 planning to!
> wake up
> decide to put morning youtube on
> see lore lodge
> see premiere
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don't know why i thought to put it like this lol
This isn't 4chan. Stop
Nice
Sometimes all you need is a large Diet Coke with ice
And a happy meal as well apparently
Just saw a vid that said the aspartame in diet coke leads to brain damage and dementia.....silly woman must've been drinking it all her life. LOL
As long as the police are paying for it, I guess.
Maybe she said I could die for a Coke... And the officer heard Diet Coke?! 🤔
@@OldsmobileCutlass1969Va 🤣
The bizarreness beggers belief
the POWER this family comanded- to turn an ENTIRE POLICE DEPT & their protocols upside down...
Where did it come from??
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Connection to the DA, iirc
I just commented something similar, before I saw this! Yes, seems strange that they were able to dictate terms to the police so much
Lokheed is as deep state as it gets. Even lower anked people have that power. And hate to break it to you, but a lot of DA's seem to be in deep state pocket.
...So I dont know what to do with all this money....
Thanks for working hard on these videos and the research you provide big fan from Washington
With the layout of the house and the length of the ransom note. Not to mention the actions of her parents and friends and family it's hard to even think it's an outsider. Unless it was a former house worker or former house owner. Ive always thought that they did have some knowledge of what happened. I don't think we will ever know the truth. This was one major disaster on every part. Especially the parents. Thank you for covering this. Hopefully there will be someone somewhere who can figure it out.Have a very Merry Christmas
Since the most likely suspect, the mother, is dead It's pretty much guaranteed that the case will never be solved.
If it was then those people would have been interrogated. They would have been arrested in my opinion.
Broke an ankle clicking so fast
broke my cankle myself as well.
You clicking with your foot or summon?
@@FallingPicturesProductions Yeah, stop clicking with your foot.
Wouldnt you be more likely to damage a part of your hand or phalange? An ankle break to click a touchscreen seams odd!
Add him to the suspects list! Kidding..😂
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You'd think u tube started a foot fetish program....
I watched the netflix special before I watched your videos. The amount of details left out on the netflix special is insane! You're videos have been so informative and tells a whole different story!
Your coverage and research is so thorough, organized, and logical! Can you look into covering Mexico's version of Jonbenet Ramsey: the death of Paulette Gebara Farah? That case keeps me up at night and is so convoluted and confusing that I think your research and organizational skills could present it well.
Thank you so much for reminding me of the name, I been trying to dig it up from my memory for weeks
It was so completely ludicrous how they found her in her own room despite claiming that family have been sleeping on the bed
@MmMm-yd4rn Omg right? Like I know sometimes the simplest explanation is best but no freaking way! The maids made the bed!
Yeah, that one is *CRAZY* !!! Even if she was so tiny she could have been hidden, what about the smell?! There's no way a dead body was in that room for *_nine days_* without anybody smelling it! It doesn't matter how tiny she was - anyone who's had a mouse die in the walls or under the floorboards can attest to this. So wth happened?! I'd definitely love to hear LL break that one down!
What channels video would you recommend? I'm not into indecent/shock coverage...
@KhandiiedYams1039 I think Georgia Marie is very respectful. Her video was good. I first watched the docuseries on Netflix but that was a dramatic retelling so maybe not what you're looking for.
Knowing that the body was in the house in a place where only the family would have known about the whole time and nobody ever thought that was suspicious you know that's it's just crazy to me
And yet... (I know it's a TV show) On Law & Order, the Police supposedly check an entire apartment after a grisly murder only for the Detective to "find" some kid hiding in a closet! 🤦
god this series and the lodge have made work a breeze
Not religious, but a linguistics student who loves Greek, and the English Standard Version (ESV) has been the best translation I’ve seen
Thank you for the comment. I have always read the KJV, but I'd like to have an easier-to-understand version to recommend to newbies. I've always found the NIV to be terribly inaccurate, destroying the contextual meaning.
@@zenosgrasshopperYes, ESV is great & there's a newer one called "Legacy Standard Bible" that I think you'll like, too. 👍
I absolutely love the amount of research you and your team put into all of your videos! That is one of the many reasons I hope one day you cover the case of Summer Wells.
As a mother, I think of that little girl every day. The Summer Wells case is very off like the case of JonBenet.
The case of Joshlin Smith (6yo, South Africa) is also very perplexing. She's been gone for several months now.
@ I hadn’t heard of that case. I’ll definitely look into it!
The Ramsey's getting such aggressive and antagonistic lawyers is such a huge red flag.
Please elaborate?
I agree. They were more interested in attacking Kolar than they were in finding the killer. If your child was truly missing, you would do any interviews, polygraph, anything to help the police find your child.
@@melissasw64 as well as anything to show you aren't the culprit, like working with police and answering questions with legal counsel. But to constantly sabotage the investigation with lawfare and be a constant roadblock is weird to say the least
@ absolutely. If your child was missing or killed, you would do absolutely anything to help the police. You would risk failing a polygraph test, looking like a fool, anything.
I remember watching this play out as it happened... There definitely was something strange going on inside of the house, but the strong relationship with the DA and how the parents were over reacting as if they were guilty of something just shows in all they were allowed to do and get away with after the incident! Anyone who watched a few episodes of Law & Order would know that Only the police would be allowed inside of a house once it is determined to be a crime scene... How could the house be considered "searched" if all of the rooms were not searched thoroughly... If a room is dark, why not summon someone with a flashlight? To let someone inside of an active crime scene without a police escort to remove items is wild! The family leaving town before being interviewed after the incident...
I remember that this was the most bungled crime scene in my memory... Until the OJ murders...
It's truly baffling how thoroughly B O T C H E D this investigation was, from the absolute start to the end. It's unbelievable how the Ramseys' lawyers were dictating what can and can't be done, or that "prosecutor", for whom... I don't even know what to say. Truly baffling, to the point I'm starting to wonder if I've misunderstood parts of what happened during the investigation.
Inexperienced police force, apparently a lot of misdirection from the start of the investigation, obstruction by the DA and the Ramsey's lawyer/private investigator(s).
If a mystery writer were to have written this, it wouldn't be considered believable. Fact being stranger than fiction.
It’s $$$ and knowing exactly what your rights are and what you can do and get away with. Justice only exists for the poor
@@BoundlessMillennial Absolutely agree with you, it just feels like they must've paid enormous amounts to a whole lot of people, in order for everyone to behave like brain dead.
Read between the lines; the Ramseys were clearly using their money and influence to pull the DA's strings. The guys at Lore Lodge can only say so much without being sued for libel by the scummy family so they have to pick their words carefully and lead you to certain realizations instead of outright saying them.
Thank you for the amazing work you are doing I'm so happy to be able to watch you investigate things almost nobody else will in such great detail with a focus on getting to the truth
How ironic is it that Jon's older son Jon Andrew basically rules out an intruder or "small foreign faction" being responsible...
Yep Jon Andrew... I happen to agree my guy...
This is a great series so far!! Keep up the great work and thank you
Sooo… it’s the parents right? I feel like the fact that the mom is the one who likely wrote the note is super damning
I was on the fence initially but then watched the Netflix documentary and concluded the same thing when Jon said that they decided not to tell Patsy that she was terminal.
At that point it dawned on me that if you were part of a conspiracy, the most dangerous time for any accomplice is when someone else involved is on their deathbed, possibly feeling inclined to make good with God.
@@simonlarge2052They didn't tell her she was dying? That's pretty monstrous. No reason to do that unless you were afraid of some sort of deathbed confession.
@@simonlarge2052Good thinking but it falls apart when you think about How She could have still Done it in her last couple days When she obviously knew she was dying by that point
@@vortex_1336 I think she knew.
@@SteveWillNotDoIt1984 The last days of cancer are barely coherent and mostly involves sleeping
They were wealthy, so they had access to the special Justice system that caters to wealthy business leaders. Guilt is a secondary consideration. This should be acutely obvious to everyone right now.
Good work both of you, waiting an extra week was hard but this series deserves all the time you need to take
Always thought they were the ones that did it, thank you for making this compilation.
My theory has always been that the Ramsey's had help from the PD and lawyers to help them cover things up. Even down to the very first day, the fact that they invited friends over after calling the police is absolutely wild. That is not normal behavior. I'm convinced someone told them to invite as many people over as possible specifically to contaminate the crime scene. The same with the sister being allowed to go inside, by herself, and load up six boxes of stuff to just take. That's so far beyond incompetent that I have trouble believing it's an accident. Just letting her inside AT ALL would be incompetence. Letting her go inside without anyone with her would be EXTREME incompetence. Letting her then take six boxes of stuff that you barely look at, is being complicit.
this case is like, everything not to do in an investigation
I genuinely love these videos. Thank you for the amount of research and talking you do. Listen to these to sleep and you present these without bias and let everyone form their own opinions on the facts. I eat these up every time
Love how factual and unbiased you try to be, it’s appreciated to have real information.
This whole thing just pisses me off. Always has, always will
I'm having one of the worst days of my life and told me boyfriend "I pray to God he releases a JohnBent video", and thank you for doing so
Hope it gets better for you!
@drewroosevelt6506 thank you!!!
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You from London? Only people from London say “told me boyfriend” 😊
*pommiebears…Lol. I thought the “me” was just a typo. I was unaware anyone actually said that.😅
The detective that let the crime scene get tainted is a disgrace. Along with the DA.
The number of times the investigators botched this case is baffling. Mind-boggling, even. It's well beyond the realm of "acceptable human error", and I would even venture to say that it gets into "this is suspiciously bad" territory. To the point where I'm suspicious that the police were bought off, or even protecting the Ramsays from serious investigation. It's just too bad to be chalked up to a simple "oops, our mistake.".
I wonder the same thing
Not sure it is (entirely) the police 's fault - the DA seems to have obstructed them at every turn.
The Ramsey lawyer and PI did really good jobs obstructing the police as well.
But the police let the sister practically loot the house completely unsupervised, and didn't even audit/inventory the boxes she took out of the house, was completely incompetent.
I really love your channel. You give all the facts.
I appreciate your coverage of this so much! JonBenet deserves so badly for someone to continue to come at this from as unbiased as possible as and to try to get to the bare bone facts.
This is such a dense case. More than I thought there was and I was young and sentient when this happened. Seriously, hats off to the crew.
I have listened to a few podcasts and watched the Netflix documentary on this topic. This is the first time I heard that they had a friend that took a whole bunch of stuff from the house only days after the crime and that there was clearly more than one practice note on the pad of paper. It is amazing how one sided that documentary was.
I have followed this case since it happened back in 96. It was Patsys own sister who went in to that house in a police uniform and took items out for Patsy. Who KNOWS what evidence she could have removed!!!!! Also, when I heard Netflix was making a documentary, I got a little sick to my stomach. Still haven’t watched it and I don’t think I can. When I heard it was biased in favor of the Ramseys, I wasn’t shocked. This is what Mr Ramsey wants. New people to the case to watch this and they get a completely false narrative!! The people who were watching this case in the late 90’s know how this is making the Ramseys look like victims.
It’s difficult to find anything about the Ramsey’s, that doesn’t ignore information, that isn’t one sided to fit a certain theory.
@@pamelasmith6221this video series is entirely one sided too. As was much of the coverage from back in the day. Headlines saying the parents did it with zero evidence and what not. Please.
I've known about that for a long time, but also the Netflix documentary is probably one of the worst documentaries you could watch when it comes to this case
@@brandonmiller9155yeah it sounds one-sided when you read directly from the police department and people involved in the case that are not being paid by the Ramsey's😂😂. Weird how that became to be
I have to say excellent job!!! I was 17yrs old when she was murdered… There is information in this 3rd episode/part that has NEVER in close to 30yrs been made public. Amazing coverage and research.
Here’s something to ponder: if one of the Ramsay’s did it (which I agree that they look pretty guilty), then either John or Patsy orchestrated events afterward to ensure that the crime scene was so hopelessly bungled and compromised that this crime could never be definitively solved. Not only that, but they did all this in the span of around six hours, in the middle of the night, under a great deal of stress. Maybe that was an accident, but it seems unlikely. Did either John or Patsy have knowledge of law enforcement procedures, or have an obvious interest in crime solving, cold cases, etc… that might have given them the insight on how to cover up the murder? That’s one thing I have never heard addressed.
My theory is the burke did it and they made this weird crime scene to cover it. She had pineapple in her stomach which she was supposedly allergic to. I read once that she might have taken some and he got mad, hit or pushed her and she died. The parents freaked out and this is the outcome. I'm hoping this channel addresses this idea in part 4.
@ To me, that is the only explanation that makes any sense, but it still has holes in it. If I was a parent, I might cover up a murder to protect my only remaining child; I probably would not cover it up if my spouse was the one responsible. But to get three of them, including a child (Burke), to keep quiet and stick to the same story for yeas and years, that takes some doing…. It’s a weird case all around….
18:50 I don't think it's entirely fair to say Patsy was accusing Linda of murder a few days earlier - if you are asked by police who might have a motive and (in an already distressed state) you're going to overthink and throw out all sorts of names - doesn't mean you legitimately believe someone did anything- hence the hug.
My good man. Excellent video,excellent analysis and very well spoken.
Great job Aiden!! You guys do great work!! Im absolutely obsessed! Can't wait for your next drop. But please take some time to enjoy the holiday and rest.
As a Correctional Officer for 14y…I’m amazed at the criminal mind.
One inmate stands out. He stalked many people. Routinely watched them sleep, roamed freely about their home. Once when a female was bathing and she ducked under the water, he slipped a rubber ducky in the tub.😱
So am I bothered by the “ransom” note on the stairs? Not in the least.
I had the pleasure of reading their psych files and I wholeheartedly agree. Its shocking how these 'shadows' can lurk unseen in our homes.
@@queen_ginnhow would have read those?
This youtuber needs more spotlight honestly. He does such a great job, great story telling, great deliverance ❤
He has 595K subscribers...he's ahead of many other I also watch. He will eventually reach a million.
I've seen comments on other channels saying he's annoying. I said he can be as annoying as he wants with an IQ of a trillion. That guy's intelligence is through the roof
@VMM34 I watch him because of his delivery, attention to detail and because he DOESN'T annoy me. 😅 Most channels I attempt to watch highly annoy me.
Hell, with all the restrains on the detectives, they should've just said "we're done, not gonna bother with this case anymore."
Exactly, You don't solve cases like this
Tbh I'm impressed they accomplished as much as they did. They had their hands tied from start to finish.
When the alternative is letting a child's murderer(s) go unpunished, I imagine they were pretty strongly motivated to keep pushing
I have heard some fascinating theories over the years... but I keep coming back to that ransom letter, there is no other theory that hasn't stumbled when explaining the writing of a 3 page letter inside the house you are not supposed to be in.
The family were out that day though, some delusional nutter could have devised the letter while he hung around waiting for them to get back
Well, no one not named Ramsey, ever saw the note on the stairs. Was it ever actually on the stairs?
Bud you are whoopin ass with these JBR uploads!
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Was waiting for this. Thank you
The research in your videos is always admirable and I deeply appreciate it.
The amount of misinformation that is constantly spread about this case is astonishing. Tik tok has really streamlined my experience in witnessing the lies about the case. I think that people are far too comfortable
making assumptions based on one piece of information. The fact of the matter is, for people who aren’t doing thorough research, we don’t know for sure. I think too many people forget that we are talking about the murder of
a 6 year old girl. The tragedy in that alone should prompt people to approach the conversation with more tact. So, all of that to say, thank you for the level of respect you bring to these cases.
Still thoroughly convinced it was the brother with the flashlight. Then patsy constructed the ransom letter and John had the unfortunate task of crafting and using the other implement.
Bingo! Only plausible explanation. The intruder theory, given all the evidence, makes no sense.
Honestly I dont see John doing that. I can see a mother doing it but not a father. They jabbed the paintbrush in her vagina to the extent she was bleeding and had splinters. It seems a task of a more frenetic neurotic type person and that was Patsy not John. Plus if Burke did it, I just feel like mothers are more feral in their willingness to do anything to protect their kids even if it’s outrageous.
I'd never heard of this case before this series, so thank you for putting out such well-researched content.
Wow. Such a messed up case. Obstruction of justice and corruption from start to finish. There's so much that I can even overlook the mild LE incompetence present, since they had neither the people nor the policies in place to conduct either a kidnapping OR a murder investigation.
I’m old enough to have seen this case unfold in real time, and law enforcements incompetence, was far from mild. From the get go, we were all astonished how poorly this case was being handled
@WinterWitch01 - I was 11 at the time all this went down, and in a different state, so I wasn't aware of anything except an uptick in criticism of child pageantry. Which I generally agree with. Either way, I only have the details as presented in this series to go off of. That is, frankly, enough.
Because holy crap, you aren't wrong. The sheer effusion of missteps and lackadaisical approach to investigation is shocking. The allowances they made of the family - for any investigation of ANY kind - are egregious. The lack of procedure, the violations of standing procedure, the allowance of uninvolved individuals to contaminate the scene, the allowance of the parents to operate autonomously in the initial moments (why was he allowed to walk through the house to find the body at all?!), and all of that before the clearly corrupt DA's office became involved... It doesn't matter who did it, or why, because the police will never be able to collect enough evidence to actually do anything about it.
Thanks guys another great video i hope you guys have a blessed holiday season
I can't shake the feeling that the Ramseys were using their daughter to some degree, and the DA's constant meddling suggests he was involved.
Keep up the good sleuthing boys. I really appreciate the coverage of this case. Growing up in the 90s as a kid, this one really shocked me, even as a child. Always wondered how everything could get so botched.
Money and Power of Influence... And it doesn't hurt to have a corrupt DA! 🤔
In response to the intro: Understanding the mind of monsters, human or otherwise, real or fictional is a specialty of mine. What could lead to the garrotting of a child? A cover up or misdirection. A merci killing, but unwilling to do it directly with ones own hands. An obsession with strangulation and the method varies between individuals. As for the blunt force trauma to the head, that could be anything from the result of a fight where nobody was supposed to get hurt, to an attempt to knock her out, not expecting it to be as destructive to her head as it wound up being.
I don't believe her parents or even her brother, whichever one struck her in the head, intended to do so much harm, and it's possible it wasn't a strike, but a push and she hit something hard. However, the parents knew how it would look if they took her to the hospital, and it could ruin them, so one of them finished her off via garrotting, while the other wrote a fake ransom note. And then the next morning they made sure as many people were inside that house as possible, so that evidence was obscurred. And I bet if you have traced a call from John cellphone to the DA, the DA would have received a call that night, and is probably the one who guided the parents on what to do. Him getting in the way of the investigation and leaking evidence to the Ramsey's before they'd have normally had been allowed access to it, also helped cover up his own involvement(or so he probably thought, but it really just incriminated him).
As a Colorado resident this case was talked about by my mother and aunt an awfully lot now that I’m older it makes sense that this shouldn’t be forgotten about.
Awesome as always thanks guys Merry Christmas and happy holidays to you both and all who celebrate! Would you please consider covering the disappearance of Ricky Jean Bryant? The case reminds me of the sodder children case and I would love to hear your guys take on it!
Whoever decided to open this video with a rendition of Dearly Beloved knows exactly what they did.
Been waiting for you to drop this.
I just got home from hanging out with my friends all day and evening, this is perfectly on time to help me unwind XD. Thank you guys for covering this case as it's one I've heard many speak on but never actually go in depth!
I always thought it was the eldest Ramsey son, but now I would vote to convict Patsy.
Thank you for being so thorough and respectful in this deep dive. It's been informative & non-sensational. Happy Holidays to you all at the lodge🎄
Hearing someone talk about the Bible with respect is awesome
You should check out our second channel, The Weird Bible!
@TheLoreLodge I've watched!! I really appreciate you and Wendigoon being Christians who are not cringy and weird :)
This video made for The Most Perfect of Friday Nights as I’m So Excited to watch this 3rd part of the JonBenet case series! Now, Despite how Brilliant this video was (as with all of the other Lore Lodge videos that I’ve watched), I just wanted to point this out: Because John Andrews and JonBenet had the same father (John Ramsey), JonBenet was John Andrews Half Sister, Not Step Sister- Anyways, bc I like So Many Others have been Obsessed with this Tragic case for all of these years, I have Really Enjoyed learning Aidan’s/ The Lore Lodge’s take on it- Especially bc our viewpoints on it seem to be one in the same- Lastly, Wishing Aidan, The Lore Lodge team, and all of you out there in the comments a Very Merry Christmas and a New Year filled with Many Blessings!! And, to Aidan and the LL team, I’m Really looking forward to seeing what you guys have in store for all of us in 2025!
Money can and in this case buys anything especially DAs. For those who think a parent couldn't kill their child there are many who have.
I’ve been WAITIN for this one!
My feelings are that the police using bible verses as investigative tools is akin to them also using a medium, or ghost hunters, or a dowsing rod, or even horoscopes. Horribly unprofessional.
Yes, this.
Given the situation, they were really looking for anything at all that could explain a piece of the puzzle. The Bible verses were relevant because they found John’s Bible open to a psalm in which the first letter of several sentences lines up with the initials on the ransom note.
Given the situation, they were really looking for anything at all that could explain a piece of the puzzle. The Bible verses were relevant because they found John’s Bible open to a psalm in which the first letter of several sentences lines up with the initials on the ransom note.
@@TheLoreLodge Yeah, that sounds like someone finding something that they were looking for. As for the initials on the ransom note, one interpretation is that they stood for the "Small Business Technology Council", which is described as a loose consortium of overseas technology-interested organizations and individuals. Today, they deal mainly in Bitcoin. I have not heard anyone mention that yet.
Oh Lord thank you I forgot I had saved like the first one in my watch list and got busy and never got a notification for the other I was looking forward to this.
Came late to the show. Had to take a nap after the intro gave me an aneurism. I’m fine now. Have a great 4th of July.
P.S. we have a young daughter, I could not imagine nor do I want to even think of what my wife and I would go through if something like this would happen to us. I will tell you one thing. It would take an act of god to separate me from my kiddo. The actions of this family from the beginning is wrong. Grieving is diff with everyone, but there is no grieving here. Just CYA. Guilty or not. I loath these people.
They did grieve. They both threw themselves on top of her. First John and then Patsy. Patsy begged for the priest to raise her like Lazarus.
Although it's said Patsy was peaking through her fingers to see if she was being observed crying. That sounds pretty suspect. Real grieving doesn't include spying on whoever is watching you.
Great 3 part video. Thank you!
Brand new viewer here. This channel was recommended in order to watch the Ramsey case. It sounds like you are most likely a Bible believer. I always find it fascinating how many people can be seemingly critical thinkers in one sense and clearly not in another.
I'm still interested enough to watch the next video in this series.
I love your videos man, keep it up!
Thank you!
I don't find it unusual at all that the family wanted to get all kinds kinds of personal documents, personal Mementos, and comfort items after the crime happened. It makes perfect sense from the perspective of a loved one thinking of their best interests. But not from a investigative perspective. Whoever is in charge of that scene is the one who has to explain to the family why they can't take as much as they would like. If they didnt do that then of course the family was going bring a trunk load of stuff if they know the family cant come back for a period of time!
I totally agree.
My question is why didn't the police arrest the Ramsey families lawyer for preventing them from testing the evidence, something doesn't add up about the case.
Because their lawyer was buddy-buddy with the DA so the DA paralyzed/sabotaged basically the whole investigation...
Lets be honest. Wealth and status is the only reason this case wasn't solved that morning
I can't believe anyone could have ever taken the small foreign faction bit seriously like from the beginning it was obvious the family was involved by all the suspicious Behavior
I don't think the case will ever be solved.
the reason that i will NEVER NOT think it was the Ramsey's - they act like Mariah Carey and her PR team arranging an interview just after she's broken up with someone... if that's not a major sign of controlling the narrative and not making comments that can come back to bite you, i don't know what is!
I think it was John (and maybe a friend), and he blamed Burke, and so, Patsy, even though she couldn't figure out if it was John or Burke, had to protect them either way, and that's why she wrote the ransom letter, called other people to come over to taint the crime scene, and sent her sister in to further taint the crime scene by moving stuff and removing stuff.
secondarily... weirdly enough, as the (former) golden child of a narc parent, and being named after said narc parent... i know the projection and ownership that that creates on a child. it's terrifying what a narcissistic parent thinks of their child, especially the ones named after themselves. my mother made it very clear from a young age that my body wasn't mine to do with whatever *I* wanted. and she only put me in one pageant, imagine how little autonomy JonBenet had over her body when she was supposed to be her mothers little pageant doll. And how easily that lack of autonomy could have been used by her father. RIP sweet angel Jo, you deserved to be your own person...
I agree that both Ramseys were narcissists - more so Patsy. She re lived her childhood vicariously through her young daughter, pagent after pagent. My late mother was a narcissist. I was the youngest 'golden child'. My 2 older siblings hated me, and once had tried to kill me.
As I've stated before, little boys who have been molested, often end up molesting others. There was something strange about the anger of those children towards each other.
@@jacquelinejacobson6789 yeah i agree, i think patsy was an overt narc or just openly highly narcissistic from being in the pageant world where it was encouraged, while john was a covert narcissist. his first son being named after him and then jonbenet being also named jon is too big of a red flag to ignore. it's like narcissist mother could never let her children be best friends or they would have each other, and therefore leave her. i hope your life since your mother's passing, and your siblings inexcusable actions, has been free from the exhaustive weight that must've been on your shoulders since birth. 🖤
"It all felt a little too intense for a child as young as JonBenét"
And then fast forward some years and you have reality series about mothers doing that and then some with their daughters, to enough viewership for multiple seasons.
Define “soon” man 😂😂 love the investigation you’re doing with this series
Completely unrelated, but wondering if you ever have or would do a deep dive into the case of Lawrence Sullivan? A 3 year old that went missing in October 1930 and was found alive several days later by a Native American tracker under incredibly strange circumstances. This is the most bizarre case I’ve ever read about and I’m curious if there is something I’m missing or there’s more to the story that I’m not aware of.
lol that shade at NIV
Nearly Inspired Version
Yeah, NIV and KJV are both kinda cruddy translations. ESV is pretty much the standard now.
I love that you put 'in loving memory'
RIP Jonbenet
I gtta tell ya.. your narration is GREAT, U KNW HOW 2 NARRATE, rather than merely Droning on & interjecting boring personal opinions. THANK U!!
I am totally for suspects' rights, and fully believe in being innocent before being proved guilty. I also am a proponent of police not using illegal or even borderline illegal investigative methods. So, they cannot force the Ramseys to come in for interviews. But, there are other strategies that they could have employed.
For instance, the police could have made an announcement that the Ramseys were no longer considered to be suspects in the murder. To doesn't matter who thinks who is being looked at closely in the investigation of a murder, and something as stupid and simple as that little lie is, it could release some tension between all of the parties, and perhaps even allowed people to relax long enough to make a mistake. I just don't understand why the police insisted on being public about these things. But, it was the 90s after all.
Will you ever do the Johnny Gorsh case?
I think Steve Thomas should be ashamed of himself for writing a book maligning Patsy and then doubled down and said it to her face. I think it's painfully obvious that she did NOT murder Jonbenet. I think she is an enabling woman who enabled her husband and son to be the abusive people they were. She is an abused woman herself and how Thomas thought John was blameless shows you how wrong he actually is. He may have some unresolved mommy issues to make him cast sole blame on Patsy when it is clear that Burke did this perhaps along with John? Maybe John Andrew? Who knows? But Thomas should be absolutely ashamed of his stupidity. It really showed how inept he was at his job.
I'm curious, in the first episode of this series, the Netflix doc was referenced and how that would be watched for critique, are you guys still intending to do that? The documentary portrays Steve Thomas as a bumbling idiot void of a credibility, and I'm genuinely curious to see the points countering the Netflix doc that your guy's research has run into.
I love this series, i have watched random episodes over the years regarding this case, and there were some things im hearing for the first time. I never knew Patsy sister went back inside at the crine scene and how much stuff was removed.
Are you going to cover the Delphi case now with its resolution?