Coil vs Rotary Tattoo Machines - Our Tattoo Journey
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- Опубліковано 8 лют 2022
- Rotary tattoo machines like the SOL Nova Unlimited are more quiet, more hygienic and more reliable - clear arguments against coil machines? Tattoo artists Bene Bader and Julian Siebert reminisce about the "old days" when they still built their own coil machines and answer the old question "Coil vs Rotary Tattoo Machine, which is better?" - or at least they try.
When your coil machine is not working, you may have to troubleshoot numerous steps: Are the contacts clean, is there a different humidity or temperature than the day before or does your coil machine simply have a bad day and need setting up again? Bene Bader and Julian Siebert worked with coil machines for years and got some stories to tell.
What is your opinion: Is a rotary tattoo machine better than a coil machine? Are coil machines "old school" or do they still have their right to exist? Tell us in the comments!
/ julian.siebert
/ benebader
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Solution: when it breaks, buy another rotary from cheyanne. this message brought to you by cheyanne.
Exactly
They don't know how to tune a coil machine, and don't have the patience to learn
I used to get shocked while tattooing hahah the stuff is crazy
This is awesome guy's!👊😬 Thanks for being informative with great laughs in the mix. 😆
I’ve been tattooing with coils for over 21 years and counting. Used a bishop packer recently ( 4.2) and I did an entire traditional tattoo with plants of black and grey powder shading. Coils do it faster. Maybe even perform better. But this bishop dildo machine was kinda close… I could switch, I think . Sick of tubes, and heavy machines, etc.
People are just weenies these days 😂 I never have to adjust my coil machines, I run them for hours and hours and never have issues.
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Exactly. Maybe if they learned maintenance and tune their machines better they would appreciate coils much more
Coils are better breh
Coil machine is better for me.. using coil machine is fastest healed the tattooed, than rotary..
lmao i like rotary machines but this is just dumb, these mass produced rotary machines are throw away machines, i am on my 3rd Cheyenne thunder lol i never get more than 6-7 months out of them before i have to pick up another one. i get them because it pays for itself in a day and they are light weight. i have coil machines that are like 20 years old that still work fine and never needed more than a spring that cost a few bucks. coil machines are better, nobody can deny that. there is a reason all the rotary companies are tying to make their machines run like coil machines. this video is so comical and stupid that im switching up to axys machines, have a coworker that has been running a valhalla daily for over a year now with no issues and the adjustable stroke is a lot more handy than i thought it would be. if you want a rotary that really last then i suggest going to an actual machine builder like dan kubin or something, but all of these cheyenne or bishop and fk irons machines are all the same and every tattooer i know will agree they are just mass produced and overpriced machines that are maybe a slight step up from china made machines and the only reason we run them is because we are lazy. its bad enough we have to deal with all these vultures in the industry but it is what it is, trying to make it out like anything cheyenne has is even remotely as reliable or good as any decent coil machine is just bogus and makes them look very shady and dishonest.
Do you know a good bit about tattoo machines? Genuinely curious, my daughter loves drawing/art but has my weird wild side in her and has decided she would like to learn to tattoo. Trying to figure out what to get her started with without going too far price wise Incase she decides she's not into doing it like talkin about.
Any suggestions what I should start her out on to let her learn to break down/clean and reassemble, and then on fake skin learn to use the machine and get comfortable with it while building her own style of tattoos?
If she actually takes to it I told her I'd be down to learn with her, I have a lot of tattoos and did a few in jail for commissary but never really learned other than that. She's 12 btw.
@@Sevatar_VIIIth hey ya for someone young like that I would just pick up a cheap rotary pen that uses cartridges. Coil machines are better hands down but a beginner will be better off with a rotary pen. Don't spend a bunch of money you can get a basic rotary kit like a dragon hawk atom that is simple to setup and use and can be bought for like 50$ for simple stuff a rotary is plenty good enough the only downside is you can't tune the hit and throw like a coil machine so doing work that takes a lot of building up of layers with multiple passes like advanced color work and soft black and grey work is more difficult without chewing up the skin. That's the problem with rotary they don't have any give to them so you can easily overwork the skin. For a beginner that can be a good thing tho because it makes it a lot easier to get the ink in the skin. They are just all around easier to use when starting out and let's a person focus on pulling lines and solid fills. And if she is working on real skin cartridges are a lot easier to be safe with and keeping the machine clean and safe. No autoclave needed just watch some videos on how to break down and setup a rotary pen style machine. I used to be against people learning like that unless they had someone experienced helping them out but with modern day disposable setups it's a lot easier to do things safe. It's not about the tattoos being good or not that comes with time and practice, it's about being clean and learning about cross contamination. No reason with a little practice that even a 12 year old couldn't do some decent basic black work stuff like lettering and basic designs. I have a lot of tattoos and the only work I would never get covered or removed are easily the worst tattoos I have just because friends or my brother did them when we were kids with homemade machines and Ink. So my basic advise to someone interested would be start with a cheap rotary pen, but always get good ink. The machine is temporary but the ink will be with you forever. Don't even mess with color till you can do clean and solid black lines,fills, shading. Black Ink is very affordable for a large bottle. Would get some dynamic brand outline ink. After all that and she has the basics down and enjoys it I would look Into a decent coil machine and start playing around with it but it's not needed till a person wants to do more artistic and advanced stuff. 90% of the stuff people get done at a shop a rotary will do no problem. Don't spend more money than you need to, the dragon hawk or similar companies machines are fine to start out with and will tattoo just as good as the expensive ones. Spend the money on more cartridges or other important supplies and worry about nice machines later.
@@wyrdo1501 I gotcha, I really appreciate the advice for thank you💯
@@Sevatar_VIIIth hey no problem, when I was 12 I was already making homemade machines and Ink being stupid but I don't regret anything about it. Was a lot harder even 10 years ago for people to get equipment or learn the basics of everything. When I started out the only advise anyone would give me was to not to do it, within a few years they wanted me to work for them and asking me questions lol. There is one older guy that just retired last year around my area that I respected because he was always respectful to me and didn't treat people like that. The rest have moved on and to places they can take advantage of people with no real competition. Tattooing can give you a lot of opportunities in life and you will never have to worry about going hungry or finding work anywhere in the world if you take it seriously and put the work in to improve your technical and artistic ability. In my opinion that means for every hour you spend tattooing you should be spending 2 hours with a pencil/paintbrush in your hand working on paper. A lot of very respected tattooers that understand that and when you look at their work upclose and try to pick it apart it's not all perfect because it doesn't have to be, these days people want art that is what a person should be focusing on and developing. Technical ability and application is very important no doubt but the bottom line is that an average tattooer that is an amazing artist is going to go a lot farther than an amazing tattooer that is just an average artist. That and not getting an ego or trying to charge people way to much. You can charge 100$+ an hour and do good. Or you can charge 80 and get twice as much work and experience to progress faster. Still 80$ an hour for doing something you love is good money in my opinion. I still do plenty of stuff for free or half off just because I want to do it and know it will get me plenty of work down the line having it in my portfolio
@@wyrdo1501 yeah that's real shit man, I was told one time that you don't have to be good at drawing anymore in 2021-2022 (this was last year I believe) because we have Google images and Photoshop.....I was like "TF?!" Lmao. Tbh I'm not bad at drawing I just take a long time due to being a perfectionist and having to get every little detail down. Could always look at an image and replicate it on paper, but took forever to do it. My brother has always been the artist and amazing at drawing, I have always had a natural affinity with reading/writing. World building characters, and stories. Luckily my daughter is a natural at drawing/art and born with my ability to teach myself anything I decide I want to learn and get good at. I can watch someone do something once and immediately replicate what they did and then start doing it faster/better. Taught herself to work a tablet at 4yrs old, which is crazy to me because I knew do all about tablets in my late 20s lol. She's absurdly intelligent and book smart but unfortunately is a blonde and lacks common sense which..... we're working on lol.
My wife and I were trying to figure out what we could do with her to get her to open up and come out of her room more and interact with us and her brother. She also takes after me with our natural distrust towards others and preference to be alone and do our own thing living in our heads and doing things we love and have fun doing. I asked her if she'd be interested in learning to tattoo and that I'd do it with her since I have always wanted to learn to do it, plus I have a lot of them and have friends that own shops around Baton Rouge where we live. She was quite excited and I began trying to find her a setup to start, I know she'll automatically resort to YT to teach herself and no doubt disappear for days in her room tattooing her fake skin nonstop.
My fear for my son and daughter is them not being financially successful or having a career they genuinely love and are passionate about. At 12yrs old my friends and I were out fighting, robbing people and drug dealers in different sections of the city we didn't get along with, stealing shit out of stores or houses, and getting in trouble getting locked up. Our parents weren't around much or there for us so we made our own and roamed around like packs of wild dogs. I will not let my kids go down the same road, working in a career that while does provide financially and does require one skill that I am passionate about (welding) most of it I fkn loathe and have no interest in. I want better for them and have decided getting them trained and progressing on their paths young very much is the way.
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