I'm beyond disappointed in YGE | A Rant...
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- Опубліковано 19 тра 2024
- Babymonster just came back with the song "SHEESH", and whether you're a fan of this comeback or not, I think we can all agree that ... well.. the rap was something. I definitely have some issues with it, but my biggest being... WHY IS IT SO MANUFACTURED?? LET ASA RAP. Thank You for watching! We hope you enjoyed! Be sure to Subscribe and Kpop & Chill the safe Way ;) ENJOY!
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2:36 - Rapping but not Writing?
4:36 - ASA called out YGE?
5:47 - "YG Swag"
8:53 - Lyrics are .... yeah
9:43 - YG is BG biased?
10:58 - My hope for the future
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Yes! Whether you like the album or not, I think it’s apparent that YG just doesn’t trust his girl groups to do their own thing. They hype them up for their skills of being able to write and compose, but then never let them.
Back in the day when his rappers did there own writing. CL and Big Bang specifically G-Dragon took shots at YG the company and YG the person. Look where both of them are now.......Gone.
He doesn’t trust boy groups. A reason why ikon got out when they could.
@@zoetheimmortal the leader of Treasure produced Babymonster for this mini album.
nothing makes me feel as disappointed as when companies seriously have their artists rap stuff like "Hibiri hop hop boom, boom, pow" "Rum, pump, pump, pump it up then". It'd be fine if it was a silly hype song but YGE is so serious about it, it's just cringe and disdain (for the lyricists - i feel so sorry for the girls who seem SO talented)
yeah I would personally curl up and never see anyone again if I had to deliver those lines and put up a devil horns sign with the most serious "I'm the shit" attitude. I wish they'd stop taking themselves and their swag image so seriously because it's just corny when you can't live up to it
They're so pretentious with it💀
If YG isn't going to allow the girls to write their raps, the least he could do is not give them shitty ones that will get them made fun of. And if the Treasure member did write the rap, that's disappointing.
Not letting members having writing credits is also a way of a company controlling the members, It gives them kind of a monopoly on their income. It's so weird to me that YGE always let their boygroups have this luxury but post Blackpink have not let their girlgroups have this.
This is why haters target them . I mean blackpink and babymonster have better writing skills than their songwriters tbh . Let them shine
100% agree, they have talent and they definitely can learn how to write if they think they need to learn and grow. You can tell that there is bias even with how YGE treated 2NE1 and Blackpink with their raps. These are talented young ladies and they're being hindered from writing and GROWTH.
Asa does write, she writes her own raps better than hyunsuk
@@mero2627 yeah but what worth does it have if we can't hear it?
You can . She wrote her own rap in batter up and composed it too. @@divx1001
She wrote her rap on her performance " Me, myself and I" .
I agree overall. tbh Asa is probably the one that sounds the least "yg standard for female rap" of course there is still a resemblance but I'm sure she's probably the one that would have the easiest time freeing herself from the classic yg sound. probably from the fact that we saw her being mostly trained on western rap. and that she already knew how to rap before being in yg.
But yeah i'm tired of yg who doesn't let asa ruka and even ahyeon write their own rap. especially when you compare the lyrics that the only member wrote in "batter up" to "sheesh"...
Why that girl Asa is insane with her writing skills. Listen to her " Me, myself and I " rap
The first time I heard batter up I immediately thought that Ruka and Asa had the same flow and delivery as Jennie and Lisa, which ofc reminded me of CL. In the end, they all sound pretty much the same with a slight difference between Jennie and Asa from the others. The unfortunate aspect of this situation is that if they continue this style, they'll likely face constant comparisons throughout their careers to those who came before them, which is sad.
I think Ruka doesn't sound much like modern day Jennie. She sounds like debut era Jennie, who really sounded like Moon Sua (ex yg)
I love Asa sm, I really hope they give her more opportunities to show her talent, I completely agree
he needs to let them write, i think it’ll come soon though, treasure is able to but it sucks he isn’t letting the girls write too…
Yg has died as lyricist honest to God, he should definitely teach the girls how to compose, arrange and write their own music, he should let them create their own identity as a group cause i hate how people be like "oh this one gives jennie" or "they are young blackpink", like they should be known as BABY MONS7ER. And i get that yg artists are gonna have that yg style, i get that, but it doesn't mean that he has to teach their trainees how to act like already iconic people that he has already made. This is the most talented female group that he has had in years, he shouldn't screw that up
I think Asa definitely wants to write. They showed her writing a lot in pre debut. Not surprised, this is common for girl group rappers in YG. Jennie and Lisa don’t have much credits at all. They pushed Jennie’s rapping pre debut like Asa.
Jennie escribió algunos de sus raps: solo remix, lovesick girls, so hot remix, stay remix y algunos mas but es cierto que la mayoría del tiempo yg no deja a sus artistas femeninas escribir sus propias rimas
Thank you for praising Young Posse ♥️
i don't think YG has ever given a unique identity to any of their female grp after 2ne1. They called BP "prettier version of 2ne1" which itself took their unique identity away and now BM is called BP 2.0 as well.
YG's over-promotion of their GG somehow leads to this because they set people's expectations soo high and then bring it down with another similar sounding songs and delivery style
But still they get most successful 😭
YG is really planning something with babymonster too
The members of baby monster are SO talented, it’s truly a shame that they aren’t given music that’s at a standard worthy of their talent, why did YG think giving them a song call “Sheesh” was worthy of such talent, it truly is a shame, I really hope they get more artistic and genuine good songs after this
I must admit, I had expectations for BM as a rap line
If I remember things correctly, we’ve seen self written stuff from both Ruka and Asa throughout their predebut show and that made me hope for them to be the ones to break the curse of YG GG rappers not writing on their own songs.
I guess you could say that we’ve seen the same thing before, both 2NE1 and BLACKPINK were confirmed to be taught how to write during their predebut days, but I still had some hopes for the BM girls to be a different case
Now that we’ve seen what we’ve seen I have only 2 thoughts in my mind:
1) Is it just a one time thing? Will Asa or maybe even Ruka and Ahyeon write on their future projects? Is it just them playing it safe for now?
2) If the first question is not true then what personal vendetta does YG have against their own female rappers? Or maybe not even rappers, just GG idols
I remember checking out for myself, out of pure curiosity how did 2NE1 stand in terms of writing back in their YG days and it wasn’t all rainbows and flowers either. If I remember correctly, CL is the only member of the group that got credits on their group stuff and even she got to write something only towards the end. If I’m not mistaken, her only 2NE1 credits come from their last 2 projects: Crush and Goodbye
You would think that such a legendary figure when it comes to rapping among female idols would have written a lot more of her stuff for the group that was her main thing, but apparently not. It took her leaving YG to be more free regarding what she wants to do as an artist
Even Jennie, an idol that has been accused of hating her job for years seems to be restricted by the company that should only push her further towards self development
We do know for a fact that both she and Rosé worked with Ryan Tedder on multiple song in LA for their sophomore album, but as we all know - None of those ended on Born Pink
The only one that we’ve got to hear is The Girls and that was just a random song thrown into their game as a sort of commercial 🙈
Other than that, not that long ago she ended up releasing a song with Matt Champion which she has credits on and apparently was recorded over 3 years ago 😬
I guess only her solo comeback will actually confirm to which extent she is interested in writing, but it feels like she might just be another case of a GG idol held back by YG entertainment
And now, 3rd GG in a row from YG, with at least one idol capable of writing not bad stuff at all and she gets crumbs on her debut project
It’s just sad. I really wonder what YG ent management have in their minds
The funniest thing about this whole issue for me is that all three girls, the main rappers of their respective groups, based on the stuff they were allowed to showcase so far, write lyrically much better verses than whatever YG gave them 🙈
Maaan you have described the point amazingly and I could not agree more.
It is exactly what I was thinking and I am glad that someone has said it.
YG set up this image of them being self writing, self produced, etc to basically hinder his girl groups. 2NE1 and BLACKPINK have called them out for not giving them writing credits for songs too. The misogyny is real. And this extends to other companies too. Plus I feel it’s a controlled public image they want too for the females. “She raps prettily” seems like their mindset.
5:27 that IS whats happening. Rose wanted to write songs for the group but YG said no. Asa is most likely in her boat
Yeah , Rosé is a musician . So she understands the importance of writing
Well asa sound so different when she do rap out side the kpop 😢 we know how good she is in writing but if yg treat there rapper like that that leads them to down fall, now i understand why they don't put asa in debut line up .
I'm fan of Babymonster since pre-debut, for more than a year now and I couldn't agree more. Sheesh rap was so disappointing and unsatisfying, on every level. The only good thing is how Ruka and Ahyeon switched rapping and just the fact we had the rap trio. Besides that, I just can't understand how people like it, it's so below the girls' level.
Also, I want papa YG to get the hell out of my face with this group, wtf he's appearing in every video that announce something about them
They have been his baby from the start. That is why they will go to the top.
@@David-wm5lc Blackpink wasn't his baby and they far exceeded that lol. Hes making them his baby cause he is pissed Teddy gets credit for BP.
@@Paradoxious keep dreaming bro. Your hate filled self knows nothing of yg
@@David-wm5lc I ain't one of those people that go ew whenever I see his face. Or one that comments all about it.
I just ignore it.
He said in the last eval he made blackpink and now he wants to make this group global.
Funny he says all this after Teddy leaves and TBL is gonna have a new GG come out soon.
But he is the only producer that introduces melodies, track samples, gives updates on the group rather than just a simple teaser.
There is a reason for everything, and the reason is Teddy gets most of the credit for BP, there is no other reason he is putting himself in all this content other than to 1. Make the group appear to be all his doing. 2. To fix his imagine with the GP with the court trials.
Its all for his image.
@@Paradoxious you are serious hater and he didn't say that in last eval. You just saying anything, plus we have all seen you troll yt comments hating on YG
I feel like Babymonster, all talent aside, is the embodiment of what I don’t like in kpop in terms of songs, especially girlgroups. Choruses are empty chants or repeating a slogan rather than a chorus, and the songs just scream “look at us we are badass girls who will beat your ass” when they are just teenagers getting fed empty lyrics full of words like “boom pow click clack badada sheesh bam”. It makes it feel unnatural and not real in some way and they are songs about nothing but empty cool words.
I have nothing against the girls obviously, but the songs kinda make me cringe
i feel like its also not just yg. The girlgroups are more used as "performance puppets" by the companies, while the guys get a more freedom generally. I dont know why tho, maybe its a really deep rooted sexism thing, or, because GGs are targeted towards young girls, they are supposed to embody this stereotypical cool girl persona without any care towards actual quality
ya I think you nailed the problem. YG made the rappers lose their identities... I don't see why they can't give them free reins on the rap verses when they were already doing that in the pre-debut show in the first place and they sounded way better than now. Those rap lyrics Sheesh sound like what song writers do in the recording booth just to get some sounds in there to make a demo... It's so evident that YG Yang Hyun Suk is restricting the creativity of the artist now that he has placed himself back as "main producer" and taken control of the music making, A&R etc. This was never like this with any of the YG boy groups, plus even with 2NE1 and Blackpink I think it still wasn't as disappointing, at least we didn't get the shxtty lame lyrics as bad as now......
I really stand with you on this cuz when i heard the rap i was like what... What are this lyrics and to think hyunsuk wrote those i am very much disappointed. I really hope yg changes in the future its necessary.
It’s weird bc yg are clearly able to highlight individuality with the vocal line so why doesn’t it translate more with rappers.
Cause with rap a lot of it is knowing your abilities and delivering on those.
Asa's best rap so far as been Batter up which coincidentally she wrote. Hyunsuk leaked the rap he offered but it was bad.
Vocals are easier to showcase as high lvl things are easier to fit in and make sound good.
High lvl rap has to make sense. which idk what is going on when they have had rappers like GD, Top, Mino, Bobby, and BI why they can't teach Asa the same.
@@ParadoxiousAsa is already
An amazing rapper . The only thing that a girl lacks is freedom. She again rapped Godzilla and completely raw with an extended version. Her technique is only on point
I agree with you, YG is insecure that people credit Teddy with BP, and he is putting himself all over the girls and claiming its all him.
He is holding them back.
there are a lot of mean comments in here calling you a hater when you were very reasonable and constructive... i don't know a lot about the members of bm but they seem really talented. but you're right, the raps they've been given are not good lol. "hipitty hop hop boom boom pow" genuinely made me giggle for 10 minutes. hopefully they'll be given more creative freedom and a more distinct identity down the line.
So glad Moon Sua eventually left YG and did her thing with her rap style
I mean, Asa's verse in sheesh makes at least some sense.
Pull up in a ghost - reference to rolls-royce ghost.
Peek a boo hoo - ghost scheme.
Vroom Vroom - car scheme.
Heart beat going "pump pump pop" - onomatopoeia for heart beat
Pedal to the metal - back to car scheme, can also be referencing fast heart beat
It's pretty fucking basic but at the very least it has some sense behind it.
but how does the car scheme fit into the theme of the song?
@@MiyusRibbons maybe the car scheme related to the "pump pump pump" heartbeat. Since when you're driving the car really fast your heart beat increases rapidly
Dude, the whole song is about putting your pedal to the medal and hitting a home run @@MiyusRibbons
@@MiyusRibbons i know its a stretch but yg loves car so i guess thats that?😂
@@MiyusRibbons Car scheme comes from her "pulling up in a ghost." the song is about them making people go "sheesh" makes sense imo
I also thought that the lyrics were awful, like it is completely meaningless! It looks like they only took some random words only to rhyme and make a verse that looks cool, but in the end it has no meaning.
Great points. I understand for the buisness side to be "very safe" and not alound some much creativity in this 1st album.
But the execess of uniformity in vocal delivery and raps I am feeling is a trend in gg.
As someone the enjoy covers there are songs that dont loose much interest while being performed by only 1 singer vs a group, because the original dosent accent individuality.
Black pink songs with all their flaws still have each performer their flavour , i hardly have to search for line distribuiton compilation to know who is singing what.
Not only in the raps but all the other tracks are "safe", the" like that" song was very desapointing and dosnt feel much in line with the group comcept as powerfull teens.
Lets hope for the next album to have more personality, and not be just yg sounding.
I wish the best for the girls and I honestly think they're going to be a successful group regardless of whether they are more involved in their songs or not simply because their name already has a connection to blackpink. blinks are already supporting so im not worried about them in that sense. but I do want to see growth, their rappers CAN RAP but yg needs a reality check. take those pens away from those writers and make room for these girlies. why the fuck would they show yg pushing the rappers into writing their own verses if we're getting none of that in their group activities. it's so backwards I can't even fathom. I just want to sit down in those high executive meetings to see what kind of reasoning goes behind these decisions. it's just so unfair to the girls
yeah, i never had high hopes for babymonster. not because i thought they would be untalented or unqualified for their job, but because they're under YG. being a girl group under YG means that you're gonna have to sacrifice your creativity, freedom and authenticity for fame and success. i don't know if it's worth it unless the person debuting only cares about popularity and money, and isn't really an artist.
I hate it and I just damn hate it. They are so talented in live singing and raps , YG don't hold them back
I though the same, the worst part is I'm not disappointed, I expected it
I totally agree with your opinion. As I thought I was crazy when I first heard sheesh’s rap and I thought it was the worst and most unimaginative part of the song because the girls were all rapping in the same way😅. They only stand out was asa however the lyrics did not help her in the slightest.
I agree…it’s crazy how some of the top tier kpop boy group rappers came out of YG who were [mostly] allowed to embrace their unique musicality but the girls don’t get the same treatment. You’d think they would learn their lesson when their artists don’t sign on for individual projects after their group contract ends.
5.20 Here's the damn issue. We KNOW Asa is an excellent lyricist because she demonstrated her writing skills on the show. AND yes, she wrote her own raps in her second and third languages (Korean, English)--which is admirable. YGE has a problem with allowing talented women to do as they please--unlike male idols under their label. CL spoke about it, Blackpink talked about wanting to be more involved in the writing process, but little has been done to change things at YGE. ALSO the "standard" style of rap being taught to the female idols at YG is just a derivative of the original style CL developed. I'm not up for arguing with anyone trying to defend this because I recall with crystal clarity K-media discussing her extremely unique pronunciation and delivery, which has now been adopted into YGE, albeit idol-friendly.
CL was the one who forced her mixtape into YG's hand. That was HER style of rapping. It was NOT taught to her. YG wasn't the same idol agency back in 2006-2007 as it is now. Every rapper who'd debuted under YGE at that point came in with their own distinct style or was urged to develop their own. It was very much after 2NE1 that all this bullshit started.
Exactly, he somehow shaded her. When she raps Better than all female Rappers in her generation and Yes young posse included too. Just because she doesn't got writing in this , We can't predict future
I couldn't agree more!!!
I don't follow gg much, but I think these girls are talented but I agree with everything you said.
Not only there's a difference in YG groups male and female about standard delivery but also with all their boy groups YG lets them write, with the girl groups not so much.
Honestly, I don't think Hyunsyk wrote this rap (at least I wish not) cause then he did then SO DIRTY cause he can do what better, AND has done WAYYY better
The rap part in Sheesh reaminds me of Boombayah and Lee Hyori coments 🥲 they were soooo true
I disagree with your first argument point. if you watch any of the Final Evaluation Clips. When ever YG made a ranking of the girls, it was always Vocals on top, while the rappers took the last two spots, and when Ahyeon added raps to her song, she also fell to #4 of 7. And for the last Solo song choice, She choose DJ Khalid - I Did It and YG told her to change the song. Which is why she ended up singing Dangerously by Charlie Puth.
but to say YG does not appreciate the rapper, No, I am not saying this, he needs the rappers to pull off the YG sound.
But if you want KPOP rap to be taken more seriously, you need to eliminate the KPOP. as there have been Rap heavy groups in the past, I want to say YG was in a group himself, Seo Taiji and the Boys. This is not the direction YG pushed BabyMonster.
I always saw BabyMonster as Baby being they are young, and Monster being they are crazy talented vocalist. the rappers also, but he was not pushing the rappers initially for BabyMonster. It has always been about the vocals. They could pull off what Young Posse is doing, all rap songs, but I do not see YG doing this for BabyMonster until later in there career, maybe 3-5 years from now, we may get one or two songs as a sub-unit. but we did get 45 seconds of rap in a 2:50 length song, that is the longest rapping for a YG girl group.
Hearing this from you is so reassuring. I love the girls, they are full of talent but the song is stifling them. The raps were beyond disappointing, and I feel so bad for the girls having to rap them. But the worse for me is that I could hear the voices of the Blackpink members in the song, YGE is just trying to perpetuate their formula with Baby Monster and for them as artists and a group that is worse than execution. How can they create their sound if they are forced to replicate someone else's? I really hope that YGE will wake up and allow the girls more creative liberty at the very least, they have so much to show us, and not knowing when they could do so is so sad to me.
I honestly feel like YG the person and YG the company don’t respect their female idols the way they do their male idols. They literally don’t ALLOW them to write their own stuff. They don’t allow them to have their own sound. They don’t respect and acknowledge the talent of these women and that they can write and create their own styles (and I mean from 2NE1 to Blackpink to Babymonsyer). It’s a damn shame
I thought this video might be coming after hearing the "sky high high high high" haha. I also think that aside from the questionable lyrics, the 3 bars were a bit dissatisfying. Wondering if we'll see more of this line distribution crisis now that there's 3 rappers in the group. I'm concerned that none of them are ever gonna get good time in for some decent bars on a title track because they're gonna jam all 3 into the rap verse while refusing to make the song longer. What a mess
This has always been the reason YG wanted to make this group a 5 member group. But now we got 7, and we will have to deal with the repercussion's of this decision. This 5 to 7 will have negative impacts on more than just line distribution, but financially also. Cost to run a 7 girl group, clothing cost, make-up, security, transportation, and just the pay each girl will get, will all be split 7 ways now
@@nrmnnk4057 that's true. I think YG realized they hit the spot with blackpink because they could focus on managing just 4 people and they could all stand out as a result. on the other hand, they grossly mismanaged ikon who only had 7 members, and idek what's going on with treasure. tbh i want to see yg finally close down because their legacy keeps attracting hopeful trainees even though they're terrible talent managers, the company is full of shit and it's basically a weed dealing ring. but man, I also feel sorry for babymonster.
Best I can tell, the rap is a classic “we are YG” and shared lyrics arrival rap. There’s a lot of YG references, especially BIGBANG and namely from Fantastic Baby.
Taeyang: Just jump to the sound of your heart ... Face the sky and put your two hands up, up high
ASA: Your heartbeat is like pump pump pop ... Put ‘em up to the sky, high high high high
TOP: From one to ten, everything is on on top
Ruka: I hit a home run and my next is to the top
Ahyeon: Not 5 or 7, I’m 10 out of 10
Taeyang: Just go crazy and rave
BIGBANG: Dance. Wanna dance dance dance dance
Ahyeon: Just dance to the music ... And go crazy.
The “Pedal to the metal” line is of course both BLACKPINK and TREASURE lyrics.
And GD is the only idol I’m aware of who actually owns and uses a Rolls Royce.
And of course it definitely wouldn’t be a YG title song M/V without some car references for coolness factor and YG style.
I also thought Ruka had a bit of a CL edge in her styling. Given the “rum pump pump pump” lyrics, I think it was deliberate.
Point being, I don’t think Asa’s rap was as meaningless as it seems. I think it was at least triple meaning intended. The references, the simple fun of the onomatopoeia and the monster/spooky theme of it. Whether that makes it worse or better for you or just reinforces your YG rapper reincarnation point, I don’t know but I do think there was thought-out meaning to it. And importantly, on surface I think it was supposed to be for a younger audience.
I appreciate your point of female rappers compared to the guys. YG gets so much basic and predictable hate and rarely do people seem to share the valid criticisms I think they are worthy of, but the YG Family thing being too much on the side of patriarchal is one serious criticism I have. And YG comparing BABYMONSTER members with his own daughters made me both reassured that he would recognise their age and protect them, but also worried he’d do the fatherly overprotection thing and treat them differently, as it’s been before.
Overall I don’t have a settled opinion on this yet.
Because on the one hand, yeah, I think it’s an issue and I’d like it to change. (I want YG to have more female producers. I don’t know what gender ratio they had in their huge hiring recently, but I think they need some female executive producers with real power for decision-making who can work with members. Female mentorship would also make such a difference.)
But on the other hand... these may sound like excuses but I think there’s a lot of specifics about the BABYMONSTER situation that makes me okay with the more basic and slow take on things. Their ages, the fact that this is at a time of a YG rebuilding of basic foundation and not risks, that it’s a debut album/song and that means “we are YG” style and no YG idol group had that much control on their debuts if at all, that they are still an idol group, (really hope YG signs or creates non-idol rappers. That variation helps) that as they get used to the unique reality of YG most loved and most hated, YG itself can take a lot of that hate because it’s not the members work yet.
I do think that stuff matters. And currently that stuff is influencing my overall opinion more.
And the lack of contribution included early on isn’t limited to the GG. Yoshi mentioned that Stupid was the first of his songs to be chosen for release for a couple of years. But it does seem like YG is trusting TREASURE more and more, so I hope for the same for BABYMONSTER.
What I’m looking forward to is BABYMONSTER and TREASURE rap units collabs and solos. I think that’s an obvious thing to do and I think it will help them grow and allow for much more individual expression rather than representing the group, which will always be different. It’s also what will really decide my opinion on how YG is actually treating them.
Something I do take issue with in this general discourse is it feels like just debuted BABYMONSTER is being compared to peak YG groups. The amount of times I’ve seen variations of ‘they can’t fill the BLACKPINK void’ or ‘they’re not unique like BIGBANG’ is driving me crazy. Like, you think? They just debuted. How is that the standard?
I’m okay with the debut album. And honestly, I enjoyed it. Sheesh is totally stuck in my head.
I’d rather they take their time and enjoy every level of what’s possible for them than be the most they can be right now. And especially because of their age, I think being held back is better than being pushed.
I think it will be at least a year before we see how it’s really going. Hopefully we see some kind of behind the scenes during that time, like them working on songs, to show which direction it’s going in.
But I would argue there is enough progression from YG to say that something has changed enough to give me hope. This came out on time as promised, all members were there and YG seemed to protect them on the run up to it, there was improvement and the song was different enough from total YG, they’ve hired a whole new bunch of people and they’re auditioning, and they put out a rough schedule for their working artists. That might all sound trivial, basic stuff but to a YG fan, it’s obvious YG is clearly trying, and I’ll take that until I see something that truly undermines it all.
(Super long post, sorry. I have thoughts of this lol.)
Just adding that I remembered they’re playing at Summer Sonic this year. So there could be Japanese versions or special releases that might allow for writing from the members? Would be nice to see, and seems like an obvious opportunity, for the Japanese members especially, that I hope YG will take up.
To add some more meaning.
Ruka: I hit a home run and my next is to the top
Ahyeon: Not 5 or 7, I’m 10 out of 10
First one is a reference to Batter up as well, they hit a home run and now like BP they wanna go to the top.
The second one is a reference to their survival show. We didn't know if there would be 5 or 7 members but there actually just a 10 outaa 10.
it's just sad that their whole rap was incoherent jumble just to make company history references. i get now that it's not meaningless but it's still holding them back. the biggest problem with BM is their company history. they've never been their own group
@@hyukleberry5567 100%. Like at least in batter up it sounded good and flowed together well.
@paradoxious Thanks! I got the Batter Up one at the time but had to read what the 5 or 7 part reference was as.
Been watching & listening to kpop for a LONG time, the first mv I ever watched was Call Me Baby by EXO, the first group I got into was BIGBANG, and I started to fall into the YG world with 2NE1, IKON, and then BLACKPINK's debut in 2016. YG songs and rap have always been the things that drew me in, and while it is energetic and I love all the members from these groups, the level of rap could be better ESPECIALLY considering the talent level of all their rappers from Lisa to Asa.
I am not a company Stan at all. YG shows us all of the member's potential by releasing a hundred episodes of pre debut content (ASA literally showed a few of her self written rap verses), and let me tell you they HAVE SO MUCH POTENTIAL. they do all that just to give us something that doesn't seem authentic to them. I understand the whole monster concept but I think it could have been done better. I agree with some of your points, not all. I think the best thing this company can do after showing us all the pre debut content is letting these girls write on their songs. im not saying they have to write the whole thing from start to finish, but let them be more involved. but it's YG we're talking about, they didn't do that for BLACKPINK who is their current biggest artist, much less can be expected for their new rookie group. I feel like I should say a positive thing now so I personally like LIKE THAT more than SHEESH and I don't care that it's an English song. I love music no matter the genre. I love Kpop, pop, latin pop, country, r&b, gospel, trap, reggaeton, hip hop, rock, pop punk, pop rock, jazz, classical, you name it.
YG - Y'ALL GABAGE
honestly tried to get into them they are great performers and I've seen them train but I feel like the misogyny in k pop could be a reason why female groups get a lot of flack, but their companies set them up to fail. I don't think baby monster will gain global success and thats very important now in k pop if they keep on making the same "formula", the whole point of making an artist is for it to yes be great like everyone else but different at the same time.... but then again there are a lot of boy groups companies that fail their main rapper. Rap can be a big thing in k pop and honestly I'm not sure about in the Asian countries but in the U.S. we value rap more I think, YG has been doing this for years I am super disappointed because I use to be a JYP and YG fan now I just like old YG and JYP then SM...... Teddy left I think he made some goofy beats for black pink but he really showed black pinks individuality
How can you say babymonster is not global? Guy , for god's sake they have such a big global fanbase that they are competitive with already set up groups like TXT in voting? You literally made no sense
Where and when did asa called out yg?
Weverse apparently.
Don't let asa be like Jennie. Let her write Jennie wasn't able to fo that as much as she wanted
Ion like that its so manufactured but thats just how yg is so yall gotta get used to it lol
It’s Yg, what did you expect?
Growth.
Maybe one day :’)
still congrats and all the views of their record. by the end of the day the stans will always justify great musicality and hide the critics by the number of views. even though the replay quality of the song and substance is...... fill in the blanks. u know what that means. so congrats to breaking all the view records. lol and in terms of kpop i am glad kiof came back atleast we have some music with substance and not noise.and in terms of the future with YG no because he will always use bp as justification that he created the biggest GG in kpop and he knows better. nothing against baemon members because you have to be tone deaf to not acknowledge their talent. as soon as the stans eating it up and the views keep coming -> the future will always favor what pd YG wants it to be in terms of musical and creative direction. this is a classic example of a ent company that is a victim of its own previous success. like that old saying why fix it if its not broken. so even at 2024 and moving in the future all baemon songs will have that horrendous YG party outro like its a broken record and with the girls patting themselves in the back for another monster premier in yt.
We blame hyunsuk
You're right. The rap sounds the same all the time. They're way more talented than that.
YG almost never let Asa debut with BM.
I enjoyed their debut or comeback whatever it is but I was disappointed when I heard they’re not writing when we’ve seen that they can write especially ASA I still enjoyed sheesh but coming from the so called rapping agency I wasn’t up to par they deserve better and unfortunately hyunsuk did write the raps and he can quite obviously do better than that and why have a song fully written by a western pop star I still like BABYMON but they deserve better than this cause the girls have so much talent bro like they’re debut deserves better than 3 full English songs and one of them being a mediocre remix why hype them to be a “monster” of a group and not let them show how much of a force to be reckoned with they are I will still support but my dislike towards Mr YG grows with every release his groups have let them show how fucking amazing they are or else you’re going to lose fans and continuously lose popularity there’s a reason the black pink girls didn’t fully resign with you they’re sick of your bs dude you don’t have 2ne1 big bang or bp change your fucking ways or else you’re not going to make as much money anymore. KMT
YG is not doing right by Babymonster at all. Their sound production is tired and uninspiring, they aren't being marketed well, and they just aren't delivering on what they promised. They were supposed to literally be monster rookies, but they won't give them work that lets them shine.
Young Posse has fulfilled the spirit of old YG groups. They have that 2nd gen swag and actually have skill in rapping, they work their asses off on stage, and it's clear they care about making their songs their own!! They work with real hip hop and rap talent that wants to really represent these genres. Their actions are speaking for themselves--all five can rap and are pretty good at it, they have time and potential to continue improving. Babymonster is probably being creatively stifled by YG, it's like they've been wheeled out to try to mitigate potential losses from all the BP members solo contracts leaving YG.
Tbh this mini album was so good
And i loved it so much
And for the rap verse it was hella addictive
For writing ,its nothing new,yg have dome the same things with rosé snd jennie too ,they didn't let the girls wrote their own songs and it will go same wirh babymonster
But rap line of babymonster is insane
They are the best rap line in female kpop groups after blackpink for now
That’s what I was addressing though in the video;
1. It’s nothing new… are we not tired of YG holding back their female idols like they need assistance to do anything when they let their BG rappers do whatever?
2. Sure, you could make an argument for them being the best rapline, but how will they get any credit individually in skill like Asa desires if she’s not allowed to write? That’s a main step to be taken seriously…
That's the issue if bg Rappers can compose and write why not ggs ?@@carkpop
Asa wrote for Batter Up
Listen to the Video
If you can’t deliver what you written, what the use of writing?? 😮
That’s a very fair point often overlooked by rap fans… but is just a deflection of the point I’m making here 😅
@@carkpop m trying to say delivery is more important than writing ✌🏻
Mystified by why this point is so controversial (not specifically here, but generally). I have never heard music that's crap, mediocre or forgettable and thought about who wrote it. I understand that financially it's better for the artists, but surely to the listener what your ears hear is the main thing.
Technique is way more important than writing for a Rapper. If you don't have a flow , you will sound like an idiot. Even if you can write
I personally have 2 main thoughts about this issue, 1, i love the song, it's just so cool and really good, i love the way the verses, chorus, bridge and the outro sounds so different from eachother but still sounds coehisive(?), and i personally love the rap, NOT because of the lyrics, because of the back and forth, the way Asa comes in with that cute hairstyle but still looking swag. And 2, i hate the way they gave onomatopeias, boring "i'm the best" type of talk and empty words when it began so interesting SAYING FUCKING "COHLCEA"(I don't even know how to write this thing), like it had such a interesting start and slowly began to go down...
Asa did write the part in batter up and they don’t need to write the rap parts in every song, also they only have 3 songs out give them a break.
Why not? Legit rappers write all of their raps, if not, the vast majority of them. You don’t want them to be respected as “real rappers”? Genuinely asking~
@@carkpopI do want them to be respected but asa and ahyeon are 16 and 17 years old and ruka never presented herself as a writer only asa did, also how do u want them to be respected when they literally debuted 4 months ago?! And ahyeon debuted 2 days ago that’s why I’m saying give them a break they need time to prove themselves.
Also excuse my English it’s not my first language 💙
@@MK-nn5mci don’t think she really matters like he’s said before real rappers write their own raps. They won’t be acknowledged as a real rapper until yg lets them do that. Time has nothing to do with respect tbh 🤷🏾♀️
@@MK-nn5mcno one's giving them a hard time so there's no need to remind anyone to give them a break. you're getting so defensive
@@MK-nn5mcThey should be respected if they want to be rappers. You have to write good raps to stand out, YG wrote a mediocre rap, if he really wanted them to be successful he would let them do it. Many groups started writing when they first started, if you can write and rely on the company to write everything then why are you an idol. Sheesh could’ve been better if they had a say.
Aren’t you tired of having to apologise and disclaim everything before any think pieces in kpop? Like, so sorry, I am about to engage in some critical thinking and I want to share some PERSONAL OPINIONS. There is a reason why kpop, or kpop rap, will never been taken seriously. The only good kpop raps are not kpop raps. They are actual good raps, which happen to occur, for whatever reason, in the kpop scene. R.A.P. = Rhythm And Poetry. How can you have good kpop rap, EVER, if the POETRY part, I.e. the LYRICS, is NEVER what’s important in kpop? Good luck to you bruh.
Then listen to groups who prio more rap, this is just their official debut it will not make sense if the song have more rap than vocals. You judging to early
I never said "I want more rap than vocals"... I said; "Asa at least, should be self-writing their raps". YG is considered the "rap leading agency" in Kpop, and I'm critiquing the fact that he doesn't allow them to rap when ASA herself is quoted saying she wants to be recognized for her skill.
The group was so hyped up, they should have at least a decent rap or write their own songs.
Let me get this straight! You’re complaining about ASA and RUKA not writing their Rapverses! I’ve heard it all! The fact he let ASA co-write and co-produce on their very first song was something I didn’t expect! And YG unlike people like yourself has to approach this very carefully! Because there’s more to it than meets the eye! BABYMONSTER was crucified and ridicule right off the bat! With so many people saying Batter Up was bad! Even though we know that was not true! Someone young like ASA could feel she was part of it being bad! So YG has to do what he thinks is right because she’s under age it’s on him if she loses her confidence! Not mention all the re-recordings of two songs and learning new choreography for Batter Up and SHEESH!
You aren’t responsible for these young ladies but he is!
So YG will approach that the way he sees fit! He has been keeping his word on everything and giving us as information about the mini album and everything to keep the media out of the loop! So back off and let him do what is best for all the BABYMONSTERS! In the end it doesn’t matter what you think but all you’re doing is stirring up unnecessary controversy!
Take a chill pill! 🧸😈🙏🏻
You believe that Asa makes the song bad with her self written raps
.....there are many idols who self write and the songs are actually very good so Asa might not be an exception
Also,for batter up it was the song production (YG formula) that was criticised for repetition.....many people had Rap part as their favorite.....YG doesn't let their GG rappers write that's why this video was made...it was highlighting that
Instead of these lyrics Asa might have a better job for writing...he was criticising YG
@@vishmaykumar4871 I didn’t say her Rapverse is bad I said because other people are saying they were failures and all that garbage she is a perfectionist and may feel it was partially her fault! All I saying YG knows what and how to do what is necessary for them to succeed whether you like it or not he’s 2-0
And will do whatever he can to see them succeed! The writing process will be there when he thinks they are ready! We have no control over that!
🧸😈🙏🏻
You’re so mad for no reason! Asa and Ruka should write their raps because that’s you get successful, you don’t get successful by your company writing crap raps for you. But when did opinions mean controversy. You don’t like his opinion then why are you here. First of all: YG has always been terrible at managing, writing and everything for his groups. It’s no secret that he copied his older groups for new ones. There isn’t more to what meets the eye, if you think this then you’re not in kpop much. YG SAID in the past, baby monsters purpose is to surpass and be the successor of black pink. Second of all: I don’t know why you’re making so much stuff or coming up with the crucified stuff. Don’t make up things, you live in a fantasy world. Batter up was okay, it was bad, you know why, YG HAS ONE SOUND BLACKPINK. You may not think it’s not bad but don’t come after people who think it is. Thirdly: How can ASA feel it?: Her job is too debut, how can she feel it bad when she definitely is happy with it because they debuted. YG isn’t doing what he thinks is right, he’s ruining them by making them a blackpink copy. You said back off but he’s a kpop channel so how can back off when he does a lot with kpop. Frankly, if you don’t like you can back off because it is his opinion and a lot of people watch it and like his kpop videos and live streams. “It doesn’t matter what you think”, you do know people debate about kpop a lot, people have opinions on things in kpop, how is string up anything when he’s very knowledgeable in music and wants to share his opinion. Also just like you, you’re saying your opinion and it doesn’t matter what you think either.
@@jgali38Her rap is bad. Bro the song is tanking and that’s not their fault. You act like Asa is in a distraught because people don’t like it. You know how their seniors get by when someone doesn’t like their music, they ignore and do their job. She’s fine. Yg doesn’t know how to make their groups successful. Yg is going to ruin them. If he wanted them successful he wouldn’t have blended 3 black pink songs for sheesh, he wouldn’t make them their successor, he would have baemon, all YG knows is NOISE SONGS. “2-0” did you forgot 2NE1, which bp wouldn’t be possible without 2NE1s songs to copy. ALSO BIGBANG and Treasure. YG is 5-0. YG was scared because of blackpink if they leave their stocks would go down, why do you think he pushed Baby Monster so hard and need them to do well, he’ll lose money. Why do you think he needs them to surpass blackpink, YG wants money and noise songs makes it. YG wants ti debut another group but she should focus on baemon and don’t make them have a long break for 3 years with no comeback. You’re definitely a YG STAN, you’re kissing his ass and thinks he’s great. YG SHOULD LET THEN WRITE or we’ll have more NOISE SONGS, empty chorus like shut down and pink venom, there’s a reason why 3rd gen does so well, mostly all the groups write their music and don’t rely on the company to write good music. Literally Seventeen has been writing since predebut, they write everything in their songs, it can be done if YG TRUSTS THEM. Young idols write their debut, don’t act like it can happen. if YG truly wanted baby monster to be successful they would keep up with what everyone is doing and let them WRITE. If you’re an idol and don’t write your own music, then why are you an idol. YG IS LAZY AND DON’t WANT THEM TO WRITE. BECAUSE IT CAN BE DONE, YOUNG IDOLS DO IT.
"even though we know that was not true"
i'm sorry, who is "we" here? just babymonster stans? because most people agree that batter up wasn't very good and just sounded like a discarded blackpink song.
also, you're taking this way too personally. maybe take a chill pill?
Babymonster is not a rap group bro. Writing raps is not important for an idol...ask jk with seven or Drake. Top chefs don't need to do the dishes. Strange why you would pick on a 16yo who is just beginning to write. Give her a chance to develop.
Yg has developed the top ggs in kpop, why would they want to turn them into k hiphop, or a young posse group. These girls have been dreaming of putting out yg bangers all their life and now they are, breaking records already. You might like how yg boys rap differently, but ggs have eclipsed them.
I think you need to try and understand how batta Bing batta boom ads a new level of instrumentation. It is not about 'bars', it is about creating hits....money dude. You don't want babymonster to be a struggling artist with a mattress in a hole in the corner?
You come across as a hater. I bet you enjoy August suga dee
Someone has a personal opinion that you disagree with and you call him a hater? You are wondering why kpop and kpop raps will never be taken seriously, ever? Look in the mirror.
@@HailToTheMeep you don't like my opinion. Kpop is doing great as it is, k hip hop was better a few years back. Rap 'experts' need to stay away from pop. And if you read my comment properly, you would see I didn't call anybody a hater
Thanks for the comment! I genuinely respect your opinion here, very interesting to see the perspective of someone who doesn’t really care about the rap side of things at the end of the day~ (I did the whole 30 seconds to make it clear I’m not hating BM, but critiquing YG’s practices in “training rappers” 😭).
Yes, I’m viewing things from a musical rap-oriented perspective, and your view point is from a business perspective. I completely understand the misalignment between our views, but it’s still cool to see the other side of the coin that makes sense. Thanks for watching!!
@@carkpop thx for your reply, but you judge me wrongly. I have loved rap for years, but I didn't come to pop for rap. I like pop, which does seem to involve money, for good pop. Whereas rap can be not so tied to money, even though it often is ironically. Kpop cheesy rap and mostly yg has taught me a lot about the voice as instrument, so I am still here learning.
I would regard Sheesh as the pinnacle of pop music at the moment. And it's popular.
I don't think you are a hater, but haters often start a rant with how they are not haters.
@@David-wm5lc QUOTE “You come across as a hater. I bet you enjoy August suga dee” UNQUOTE. I am assuming the last part is a typo for Agust D or Suga of BTS. He is an actual rapper who crossed over to pop and then criss-crosses back in and out. Successful cross over artists are in a class of their own. They tend to do whatever they want striking a good balance between self expression and commercial success. As all WORKING musicians and artists should, and wish they could.
Your sad Eminem, oh I'm sorry, That's not you? Than what do you know about rap
? I think it's fairly common knowledge that "legit rappers" write their own bar. I want Asa to be considered a legit rapper. Do you not want that from her?
You’re sad as hell man. Bro, what do you know about it, you’re someone who doesn’t want idols to write their own songs. Idols should write their own raps, if an idol relies upon the company to write their songs when being an idol, won’t be successful or get anywhere. Mostly all groups write their own stuff. Bro you’re just hating and acting very big man. You don’t know anything, I just think you don’t want idols to write, just like the company’s trash. An ARTIST should be creative and write, if you can’t then don’t be an idol. The company is lazy if they don’t allow their artists to write.
man whats the point of this Video? bring all
BM and YG haters together?🤣
In my opinion maybe your brain or your vocabulary is to small to understand the lyrics of the rap line. tevery sentence makes sense. Here is a good reaction channel who explains the lirics for you. itsANDYandJAS
ps: Asa wrote her own text for batter up but nice try ;)
So you disagree with my point in the video and your initial reaction is to insult me rather than state your disagreement in a mature way?…
Anyways, you’d see the point if you watched the video. The lyrics can be as intricate and detailed as you want but it doesn’t change the fact that ASA will never be recognized as a legit rapper with skill if she is being subjected to rap lyrics by other people while simultaneously hyped as a “top tier rapper”. The lyrics being dry is just a cherry on top to not allowed Asa to write it herself. Referencing old YG groups & hints to the other bars in itself isn’t what I’d call top tier lyrical writing, but sure.. difference of opinion there between me and that channel.
Ps: if you watched the video before commenting & insulting me, you’d know I literally pointed out that she wrote Batter Up, which makes it even more puzzling as to why she wasn’t allowed to write here.
@@carkpop sorry but you wrong she get praised already from every rap or hip hop fan who listened to her around the world.
this is not a diffrent oppinion about you and the other channel. you dont understand the lyrics this is all. And i watched now a lot of rapper reactions and they all were blowing away from the rap line trio.
and what is now the point of this video? i want to understand why people make videos like this? And from an OG Kpop fan since 2014 to an other OG Kpop fan. this was one of the best production i have ever heard. And i like and stan a lot of groups. But i can clearly see you are an common YGE hater and thats it .
@@alexandernothhaft6248 you probably dont understand how reactions work. Most of the reaction channels say whatever to satisfy the fans. Also the "rappers" that do reactions do it only for money. In most cases they have no following and havent ever been recognized for their music. You should sometimes look at stuff from different perspective not just with your bias assured by reaction channels. There is nothing like good or bad lyrics it always depends on the listener and their own interpretreation of it. You should think about that yourself and not just take someones as your own.
@@fatherape5119 dude im not biased at all. im a Kpop fan since 2014. And I like a lot of groups. This Song is Kpop in your Face. Production wise, video wise, choreo wise. And the only thing i can see here are YGE haters and nothing else. There are no fake reactions from the other channels i saw. they came only with facts and explain why it is a masterpiece. I Understand what you are saying but to say it is lyric wise bad, because you dont understand the lyrics is in my eyes stupid sorry.
@alexandernothhaft6248 First of all, how long you are into kpop doesn't have to do with anything. Nobody argues if this is kpop or not. Its about that yg follows a schema for the ggs that makes them come out the same as previous groups missing to show the girls' individuality more. I don't know if you have some sort of radar for fake reaction but i can guarantee you that none of the reaction channels like every song that comes out. People just don't want to watch negative reactions. Like try to look at some reactions of songs you hate and you won't find any that are negative. Also how they explain lyrics are their own guesses, only the person who actually wrote it knows the real meaning. I also never said they are bad, even if i did you have no right to shade anyone for not liking them.
I can't deny their potential
They are so talented. I appreciate them.
They have the skills
AHYEON, RAMI and RORA are my favorite members in BABYMONSTER. I really appreciate their singing skills.
BABYMONSTER (OT7) is back !! AHYEON is back !! 🔥
I think not letting them write their own verses potentially comes from the fact that they know from experience they can get fans claiming and genuinely believing "best female rapper!!" with them only writing little to nothing. If they can get away with it they will
Edit: also I don't know how royalties work but if idols are credited with not only singing but also writing would that mean the company has to pay them more but if they have less people writing the song more of the profits go towards the company..?
no the royalties are split between the producers so it doesn't change what goes to the company, it would just mean one producer who is writing the rap currently is getting less and it'd be going to a member. really its only a benefit to let them write if they are up to scratch because you can promote the artistry of the music and production much like cube does with idle/soyeon and also your idols are wealthier which always looks good from a pr perspective.
Asa already has writing and composing credits for Batter up.
@@MiyusRibbons Thank you for clarifying :)
Lol , best means from technique not always writing.
If there's technique develops as best . They would be called best bye
@@enamiasaace so you're saying quality of technique in rap is purely based on delivery and flow, lyrics and rhyme schemes don't matter?