The way Stephan confides creepily to the male police officer, "Period not long ago, so she's getting the PMS mood swings and her mom gets them too and they butt heads.".. what kind of crazy talk is this???? And when should the mom's boyfriend be knowing anything about her daughter's periods??
'im not a morning person' You will be when you're in prison for the rest of your life! His voice is super creepy! RIP Maddie! So sorry this happened to you! 💗💗💗
About what you were wondering, Gray, in one of the very early press conferences, a male from the PD said that they “believed Stephan moved Madeleine’s body during the early morning hours”. So you are right. That is THE question … where was her body moved from? Was her body returned to Venetian Bay or taken from (then taken back to …) Venetian Bay? One thing’s for sure: the detectives know; they’re just not saying … good police work!! 👮
So Jen let her daughter sleep in the bed with them and even without her, whenever she (Jen) needed a good night's sleep? That is so effed up. I know Jen is not the sharpest tool in the shed, but not even blunt tools are thát stupid. She is clever enough to lie to the police about seeing Maddie getting dressed. I don't believe anymore she was afraid of him, or manipulated by him. I just don't. She is in denial about herself. She knew and she let it happen and thát is when the denial kicks in. She wanted to see the photo's to believe it? Really? And she didn't recognise her own daughter on the photo? I Most of the photo's (1700!) were taken in HER house! She must have needed lots of "good night's sleep" then. And if she needed to see those disgusting pictures to believe it, then I'm starting to think that Maddie may have told her something ("I don't want to sleep in the same bed with him anymore"), but Jen ignored it, didn't even ask why? I mean come on. All alarm bells would go off, even in a low(ish) IQ head. So Maddie NEVER slept alone. So when Jen and SS were intimate, Maddie was in the bed with them? Were Jen and SS ever intimate? Or stopped at some point and she didn't care? But she let him share a bed with her daughter? A good night's sleep... right. As I remember the grandmother said that she "didn't understand why SS showed up at the party". So maybe he just picked her up after thet party then. If he was there he must have showed up on one of the photo's that were taken there. In the end it doesn't really matter. So he drove from wherever he was to the grandmother's house to pick her up and then drove to Jen's house. And Jen was still at work, right? So did he kill Maddie at the house and when Jen came back she was already dead? Or did he kill her after Jen went to bed? She worked late that evening, she said. How later? Later than the time SS went on Telegram? Or before and then she wanted a "good night's sleep" and let Maddie sleep with SS in the other room? About SS leaving the gated community with Maddie propped up instead of coming back with her: As I remember during the press conference they said "he came back". I think they mentioned that twice. I don't know, seems a pretty big mistake to make. A mistake that nobody corrected later (in a second press conference or during the first). So many questions....
1:34:14 He returns with her at 8/19, but threw away her backpack and laptop out at 7:35. He was there at 7:35, but was Maddie there? Did Stephan go pick up her body and bring it back?? He returned at 8:19 with Maddie in the car. What time do the cameras show him leaving with Maddie after 8:19? We know at some point he drove back out with Maddie’s body in the car. Some time AFTER 8:19. The police know the answer: they’re just not saying. Good police work to keep it quiet. They’re doing a great job!! 👮 ❤️👮
Thanks for this, Gray. It's sickening and bewildering to actually hear the lies coming out of his mouth. Jenn is a worry too and wasn't a responsible parent at all. Despite her stupidity, she should have known better. That poor kid.
This is the worst interview ever due to his stupidity and his voice creeps me out. Kudos to the officers though because they held it down and made him twist and turn asking the right questions.
Gray.. about what you said about Madeline and her awareness that Stephan was abusing her was coming more to an adult realization. Even an 8 year old knows when they are being abused. Especially in these times. The shame and fear keep the child silent and god knows what he was threatening her with if she spoke out about it.
@@deborahannemayer6087 It's been stated in news outlets and youtubers; one of her young friends said she said her stepdad was very mean, but he thought it was about something else not abuse....I think it may be the same boy who said there's a hole in all their hearts now.
Him and Jen just sound the same when they are providing their statements. Rehearsed. All I hear is me, me, me and who cares if you havent eaten or isn't a morning person. Like really? And then they didn't go looking for her but the rest of the family was? Very telling.
You're right that we don't know if mom knew. But at the very least mom ignored the red flags. When abuse is so frequent and severe, there has to be red flags
He probably HAD to admit that he had a flat tire, because he was seen...and he had a spare tire in his car....he was more than likely FORCED to admit the flat tire..
The grandmother and Jenn, said he was the one who picked her up. To take Maddie, to the Birthday Party. Because Jenn, had to work. The grandmother also said that she was wondering why he bought her to the Birthday, because Jenn, and him weren't together any longer.
Absolutely agree, why return for the ‘clicker’ when he had a pass to get into the grounds unless there were two people involved. One of them forgot the ‘clicker’ imo. Two people needed entrance passes at different times to support/collaborate their individual alibi’s.
I didnt trust that woman from day one , I will not even call her the mother I just cant ! No normal loving ,caring real Mother would allow their daughter at age 7,8,9,10,11,12 yrs old NO SUCH AGE to sleep with just your on again off again pos boyfriend!!! She needs to be held accountable!! I just cant with this !!!
PS Gray meant 2 say this monster caused little Madeline alot of pain in her short life.I agree Gray mum 'jen' seems not with it aloud him 2 much say, what a predator, thanks Gray
Okay. I got your question - I agree with you - Jenn truly did not know “what was going on”. I wouldn’t be surprised if Stephan was drugging both Jenn and Maddie. Remember how the report said she didn’t believe them about the picture they found and she actually asked them to see it. And then it states that she then became upset. (I couldn’t keep up with your question during the live!!🥰)
Personally, I believe she was aware of all was going on w/ her daughter! She let it happen, guessing due to she’s not all that good looking & probably was madly in love w/dude. She used her daughter as bait to hook up w/ that sex manic ! I’ve heard stories of bad example mom’s allowing her own kid to mishaps! Just to keep the realization going!
Urghh 🤑 he sounds like butter wouldn't melt in his mouth (as my mother would say). It's strange listening to the fluent lies and story when we know what he did. It gives us a look into the lives of police every day. Interesting. Yeah, he must have freaked out when he got the flat tyre. 😳
Okay. I got your question - I agree with you - Jenn truly did not know “what was going on”. I wouldn’t be surprised if Stephan was drugging both Jenn and Maddie. Remember how the report said she didn’t believe them about the picture they found and she actually asked them to see it. And then it states that she then became upset. (I couldn’t keep up with your question during the live!!🥰)
I absolutely think she knew SOMETHING..if not all! Something is not right with her. For one, what grown woman let's her daughter sleep in the same bed with her and her husband every night? IMO that right there is very telling...I mean my friend has an autistic daughter, she ends up in the bedroom with her parents by the end of the night..But she makes a small pallet on the floor or in the chair beside them...and Maddie was not a 5 year old...just sounds very suspicious to me...for one, WHAT teenager WOULD want To sleep with Mom and Boyfriend
SHE KNEW! SNUGGLING ? Cmon on now. Sickening.
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The way Stephan confides creepily to the male police officer, "Period not long ago, so she's getting the PMS mood swings and her mom gets them too and they butt heads.".. what kind of crazy talk is this???? And when should the mom's boyfriend be knowing anything about her daughter's periods??
EXACTLY !!! I'm so disgusted !
That woman is not a mother !!!!
'im not a morning person' You will be when you're in prison for the rest of your life! His voice is super creepy! RIP Maddie! So sorry this happened to you! 💗💗💗
😂....and his voice is creepy!
Gotta get up at 4am just for breakfast 😂😂
Right after they asked why they went back home, he says “ We had time to kill” that sick bastard
1:19:19 Sexual Battery against a child under 12 is a capital offense in Florida.
YEP!!! DP CASE!!! AS IT SHOULD BE!!!
Sorry I missed the live but this was great to hear-thank you Gray! It’s amazing his ability to lie ..scary.
Thanks Gray for this latest update re Jennifer's reaction to her being shown a picture of her daughter, Madeline, and SS. So heartbreaking 💔 😢
About what you were wondering, Gray, in one of the very early press conferences, a male from the PD said that they “believed Stephan moved Madeleine’s body during the early morning hours”. So you are right. That is THE question … where was her body moved from? Was her body returned to Venetian Bay or taken from (then taken back to …) Venetian Bay? One thing’s for sure: the detectives know; they’re just not saying … good police work!! 👮
Watching replay!
Thank you for captioning! ❤❤❤
So Jen let her daughter sleep in the bed with them and even without her, whenever she (Jen) needed a good night's sleep? That is so effed up. I know Jen is not the sharpest tool in the shed, but not even blunt tools are thát stupid. She is clever enough to lie to the police about seeing Maddie getting dressed. I don't believe anymore she was afraid of him, or manipulated by him.
I just don't.
She is in denial about herself. She knew and she let it happen and thát is when the denial kicks in. She wanted to see the photo's to believe it? Really? And she didn't recognise her own daughter on the photo? I
Most of the photo's (1700!) were taken in HER house! She must have needed lots of "good night's sleep" then.
And if she needed to see those disgusting pictures to believe it, then I'm starting to think that Maddie may have told her something ("I don't want to sleep in the same bed with him anymore"), but Jen ignored it, didn't even ask why? I mean come on. All alarm bells would go off, even in a low(ish) IQ head.
So Maddie NEVER slept alone. So when Jen and SS were intimate, Maddie was in the bed with them? Were Jen and SS ever intimate? Or stopped at some point and she didn't care? But she let him share a bed with her daughter? A good night's sleep... right.
As I remember the grandmother said that she "didn't understand why SS showed up at the party". So maybe he just picked her up after thet party then. If he was there he must have showed up on one of the photo's that were taken there. In the end it doesn't really matter. So he drove from wherever he was to the grandmother's house to pick her up and then drove to Jen's house. And Jen was still at work, right? So did he kill Maddie at the house and when Jen came back she was already dead? Or did he kill her after Jen went to bed? She worked late that evening, she said. How later? Later than the time SS went on Telegram? Or before and then she wanted a "good night's sleep" and let Maddie sleep with SS in the other room?
About SS leaving the gated community with Maddie propped up instead of coming back with her: As I remember during the press conference they said "he came back". I think they mentioned that twice. I don't know, seems a pretty big mistake to make. A mistake that nobody corrected later (in a second press conference or during the first).
So many questions....
1:34:14 He returns with her at 8/19, but threw away her backpack and laptop out at 7:35. He was there at 7:35, but was Maddie there? Did Stephan go pick up her body and bring it back?? He returned at 8:19 with Maddie in the car. What time do the cameras show him leaving with Maddie after 8:19? We know at some point he drove back out with Maddie’s body in the car. Some time AFTER 8:19. The police know the answer: they’re just not saying. Good police work to keep it quiet. They’re doing a great job!! 👮 ❤️👮
Thanks for this, Gray. It's sickening and bewildering to actually hear the lies coming out of his mouth. Jenn is a worry too and wasn't a responsible parent at all. Despite her stupidity, she should have known better. That poor kid.
Totally creeped out by his language 😳
Thanks!
Great shows and great work yesterday Gray ! Sorry I missed these 2 night streams! Gotta watch on the replay!
He's playing the victim. How sickening.
This is the worst interview ever due to his stupidity and his voice creeps me out. Kudos to the officers though because they held it down and made him twist and turn asking the right questions.
What an absolute Barbarian. He disgusts me to the endth degree.
Gray.. about what you said about Madeline and her awareness that Stephan was abusing her was coming more to an adult realization. Even an 8 year old knows when they are being abused. Especially in these times. The shame and fear keep the child silent and god knows what he was threatening her with if she spoke out about it.
Maddie told her school friend her stepfather was very mean to her...
@@shineonyoucrazydanielle interesting... what's your source on that?
@@deborahannemayer6087 It's been stated in news outlets and youtubers; one of her young friends said she said her stepdad was very mean, but he thought it was about something else not abuse....I think it may be the same boy who said there's a hole in all their hearts now.
Thanks Gray!!👼❤️👼
Him and Jen just sound the same when they are providing their statements. Rehearsed. All I hear is me, me, me and who cares if you havent eaten or isn't a morning person. Like really? And then they didn't go looking for her but the rest of the family was? Very telling.
Yea they def gave themselves away 💯...I also think Jen might have been jealous of her own daughter sad to say...imho
You're right that we don't know if mom knew. But at the very least mom ignored the red flags. When abuse is so frequent and severe, there has to be red flags
She knew🤬 something
He probably HAD to admit that he had a flat tire, because he was seen...and he had a spare tire in his car....he was more than likely FORCED to admit the flat tire..
We we we.. good heavens!!! He literally includes mom. They both deserve every bit of consequences. I am just sick.
Sorry, for all the comments. Why didn't he get the phones when he went back to the house for the clicker?
Voice makes me absolutely Sick
He said to the officer that he used his phone to check store hours and stuff but he said he went to vape store and it wasn’t open. WTH!
The grandmother and Jenn, said he was the one who picked her up. To take Maddie, to the Birthday Party. Because Jenn, had to work. The grandmother also said that she was wondering why he bought her to the Birthday, because Jenn, and him weren't together any longer.
Exactly
HI Gray,Feeaks & All, thanks 4 a great show as always This little girl Madeline suffered b ca
I wish we can see his body language. Why, oh why! Can we see the video?
This has got to be the worst attempt to try to cover up your crime ever!
I think if I heard "time to kill" one more time I'd have puked.
Absolutely agree, why return for the ‘clicker’ when he had a pass to get into the grounds unless there were two people involved. One of them forgot the ‘clicker’ imo. Two people needed entrance passes at different times to support/collaborate their individual alibi’s.
Return for clicker and not your phone 🤬
I didnt trust that woman from day one ,
I will not even call her the mother I just cant !
No normal loving ,caring real Mother would allow their daughter at age 7,8,9,10,11,12 yrs old NO SUCH AGE to sleep with just your on again off again pos boyfriend!!!
She needs to be held accountable!!
I just cant with this !!!
‘86’d the idea’, ‘time to kill’. Interesting use of words right??
yea his subconscious/truth coming out
It's sickening listening to his absolute bs.
so he left the little girl on her own at something o'clock in the morning ok then
My heart breaks 💔 😢 for the little girl.
😢🙏
PS Gray meant 2 say this monster caused little Madeline alot of pain in her short life.I agree Gray mum 'jen' seems not with it aloud him 2 much say, what a predator, thanks Gray
That kid was pregnant or he thought she was . Mom is just as disgusting
Okay. I got your question - I agree with you - Jenn truly did not know “what was going on”. I wouldn’t be surprised if Stephan was drugging both Jenn and Maddie. Remember how the report said she didn’t believe them about the picture they found and she actually asked them to see it. And then it states that she then became upset. (I couldn’t keep up with your question during the live!!🥰)
Yea I think he was drugging them...given his character...and his friend said he's an addy/pill head.....addy and ativan....etc....
His voice is irritating 😩
Someone, I don't remember who, stated the cost for obtaining a file on someone is $1,600.00. That IS a lot of money! - Susan Burns
Personally, I believe she was aware of all was going on w/ her daughter! She let it happen, guessing due to she’s not all that good looking & probably was madly in love w/dude. She used her daughter as bait to hook up w/ that sex manic ! I’ve heard stories of bad example mom’s allowing her own kid to mishaps! Just to keep the realization going!
“I get it-it’s an image thing.” He rehearsed that SO MANY TIMES….puke
Do we know the autopsy results? Was Madeline pergnant?
The autopsy hadn't been released. As she's a minor so we may never find out unless it's mentioned in trial 🤔
@@kandykitten10 Thanks!
You're very welcome Dave!
May never be disclosed. Maybe at trial. Or if the family disclose it.
Oh the detectives know he’s lying
He makes sick🤮
I thought there was a reflection of him in either one of the balloons or bouncing off a window … something like that At the party
Urghh 🤑 he sounds like butter wouldn't melt in his mouth (as my mother would say). It's strange listening to the fluent lies and story when we know what he did. It gives us a look into the lives of police every day. Interesting.
Yeah, he must have freaked out when he got the flat tyre. 😳
You made LOL
Love to you Danielle ❤️
@brigittebowman9113 love to you ❤️
Oh you’re a great rapper, Gray!!🥰
Okay. I got your question - I agree with you - Jenn truly did not know “what was going on”. I wouldn’t be surprised if Stephan was drugging both Jenn and Maddie. Remember how the report said she didn’t believe them about the picture they found and she actually asked them to see it. And then it states that she then became upset. (I couldn’t keep up with your question during the live!!🥰)
I absolutely think she knew SOMETHING..if not all! Something is not right with her. For one, what grown woman let's her daughter sleep in the same bed with her and her husband every night? IMO that right there is very telling...I mean my friend has an autistic daughter, she ends up in the bedroom with her parents by the end of the night..But she makes a small pallet on the floor or in the chair beside them...and Maddie was not a 5 year old...just sounds very suspicious to me...for one, WHAT teenager WOULD want To sleep with Mom and Boyfriend