The Contradictions of Madara Uchiha (Hope and Hypocrisy in Naruto Part 2)
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- Опубліковано 29 чер 2018
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If Naruto and Sasuke would have been the ones to defeat Madara. It would have brought he's whole philosophy and ideals forward but Kaguya just made a whole situation pointless and frankly was used just to drag out the franchise into Boruto.
nigga what
Actually, look at it from thos standpoint.
Madara, despite not believing in others, only got so far because of other people who either helped him, or because he took their power. Kaguya, the original progenitor of Chakra, coming and taking back everything Madara specifically stole and brealing his hypocrisy is the best possible irony there could be. Kaguya is someone who didn't need to steal anything or rely on anyone but her own embodiment, while Madara, whether adimitting to it or not, had to put his faith in others and their powers because he felt his own weren't enough.
Boruto is still shit though and I think they could have stoppes with Naruto: The Last
@@AlastorNahIdWinRadioDemon Kishimoto also said in the interview that he only killed Itachi off, because otherwise he would have defeated Madara.
He could use Itachi's totsuka blade to seal Madara away instead of stabbing him with Black zetsu.
@@vermouretry4962 never said that. U fucking idiots man
Sure but the kaguya thing added a whole twist to the story
Madara was probably the best villain of Naruto. I like how he didn't get redeemed and how much of a philosophical point he raises.
Some people (*cough* Swagkage *cough*) saw his dying interaction with Hashirama as redeeming, but...it's not. Unlike Obito and Pain, for example, Madara didn't make any attempts to "atone" for his actions. He acknowledged his defeat as his failure to change the world, and then he died. That's it. Hashirama made the comment about "drinking as war buddies," but that's because they had both failed and were both about to die. Hashirama was in no position to "redeem" Madara because Hashirama had also failed. He wasn't the moral center of the story, Naruto was, and Naruto wasn't even involved in that conversation, so yeah. Madara definitely wasn't redeemed.
I'd even argue he isn't a villain. Not really. He does some pretty dark things for the greater good and his psyche was warped during his life, no small part due to his losses and premonition about the future - which became reality exactly as he foresaw - and still, in his core he truly believed in a good cause. There was no need for an apology: he did his best, achieved what he wanted and saw that the result is not what he envisioned. He acknowledged his path maybe wasn't the best and that was enough.
Personal note: in my headcanon everything we see after he casts Mugen Tsukoyomi is Naruto's dream.
Pretentious Writing like always..
Lockjaw Hardly asspulls, idk where you're getting that from. Madara reached a level on his own that no one since Hagoromo and Kaguya has done. Before Sasuke he is the ONLY one to unlock the Rinnegan.
I Wouldn't say's he's a Bad Villain Im Just Saying i don't buy the whole "World Peace" agenda. Considering, It's Forced and he's really doing it for his Sake Then For the World. Already he's on The Wrong Foot. He wants the Lead a "Charge" for the best of mankind has a Sort of Tunnel Vision for his own longings. In Short "Fear,Violence,Dismay,Competition" are the Elements that make us fear the end. Without Fear their's no Motivation to keep Living and resilience. The World don't need changing we as people do. And "Hypnosis" is not what we need. To Take away my fear would be to take away my "Purpose" of life and reasoning to keep living. So what will i be? A empty Shell of my Former self.
Madara and pain are some of my favourite characters in anime tbh.
@Mariusz Zlatovskij that's right. Nobody cares which is why that comment has 55 likes
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Remember when You had Obito to deal with, then Madara? And then all of a sudden... Aliens.
Call Ripley.
I mean deagonball did it
@@JamesW609 yeah, and as we all know, dragonball is a masterpiece when it comes to deep stories...
Daddy Andre and it worked for like 10 episodes then it went to shit.
I'm not complaining about it at all
I also think he’d be the ideal final antagonist before Sasuke, but at least to some degree for different reasons. The thing about Madara to me, is that he actually acknowledges his hypocrisies, thus Naruto would never be able to convince him. It’d be the looming shadow of Naruto’s possible failure against Sasuke.
Maybe I’m reading too much into Madara, but it seemed to me the Shinobi alliance was his intention too. The thing is, if that is true, Madara would create himself either the ideal world of isolation through the Eye of the Moon Plan or the ideal world of unison through the Allied Shinobi Forces, reaching compromise through the Great Ninja War conflict.
Similar to both Naruto and Sasuke, Madara would be breaking the endless conflict between Asura and Indra himself, becoming himself the embodiment of both brothers. While Naruto and Sasuke found another path through the perfected version of Asura’s ideal of togetherness, Madara found another path through the perfected version of Indra’s ideal of loneliness. I just find it too poetically fitting to be untrue.
To complement this, Zetsu embodies the perfect ninja, the true unhuman tool. And also there can’t be revenge, without actual people to direct it towards. Thus he’s the ideal tool to Madara’s achievement of a conflictless world through conflict.
That's a pretty interesting point even if it may be somewhat coincidental. Your point about Indra and Asura was actually similar to something I was going to add into this script, but I decided to save it for the prophecy/destiny video since I think it will ultimately be more fitting there (then again, I suppose I could've mentioned it twice - oh well, too late now lol). I hadn't considered that Madara's path was also a "perfect vision" of one of the predecessors, though, so I'm glad you figured that out and talked about it!
This just makes me more frustrated with Kaguya and how she totally cut Madara's character arc out from underneath him. I want to know how this ideological argument between Madara and Naruto/Sasuke would have ended! Madara actually could have been the perfect antagonist.
Pretty HYPED for the video on prophecy! Probably the most misunderstood thing in Naruto...
I actually think would done far more damage to naruto's ending then kaguya.( also orochimaru already served the eole of a rival whp couldn't be saved.)
Kye Dysarthria Could you elaborate?
Orochimaru was different, Naruto interacted with him very little... He is Jiraiya's failure, but not Naruto's. (You could say the same about Deidara, but the important part is the connection with Naruto, which both lack)
@@gamabumda4196 I know Kaguya's mythological background and popularity in Japan. That doesn't change the criticism I have at all. Though I wouldn't be trying to convince Japanese people in some American UA-cam comment section anyway.
To be fair to Obito, he didn't reach the conclusion to reject the world on his own. Madara manipulated him and imposed that conclusion on him. Also, it is true that Madara wanted to fight Edo Hashirama for pleasure. However, he also had a purpose: He intended to fight Hashirama in order to attain his sage mode powers so that he could fight and weaken Juubi Obito, extract the Juubi from him, and force him to use Rinne Tensei on him, so that he could become the Juubi host.
That is true, though he did interpret their plan differently based on his own desires, so there's still a degree of self-interest involved. Madara just manipulated that self-interest to serve his own plans.
Yea, you're right. Obito's primary motive was definitely self-interest since he was still a kid whose life, in his mind, revolved around his childhood crush. Question for you, though. Did Obito, as an adult, really want to use the Infinite Tsukoyomi just so he could see Rin again? I ask because he became the Jinchuuriki and intended to do the Infinite Tsukoyomi himself. Meaning, he would have been controlling the genjutsu rather than being under it. Plus, most of his statements during the war made it seem like he just wanted to destroy the shinobi world by stripping everyone of their free will rather than live in his own little fantasy. I find it had to believe he was stupid enough want the IT as a way to live out his Rin fantasies.
I'd say no. Obviously his goal wasn't solely centered around Rin, it was centered around his past as a whole with Rin's death serving as the breaking point that pushed him over the edge. That was the origin of his mentality, which was the main difference between he and Madara. However, he did try to reach out to others like Kakashi and Naruto, so while his actions did have a degree of self-interest, they weren't entirely self-serving.
"If you really want a reason... I supose... it's because... You let.... Rin die."
Simple minded people take Obito's words seriously, and missunderstood the message Kishimoto was giving. Obito's character is much more complex then just 'Rin'. at best he kept her as a balacing point for his mentality in order to push himself forward... It could have been anything, anything that he held dear.
This is why i love Obito's character overall, (Though I am a Madara fanboy xD)
(On a side not, I LOVE the ruffness in his voice(Japanese), makes it sound like he really went though hardships. AND is also the same VA that did Tobi, perfect.)
Death Gun bro I know that is why he is in my top 5. People just hate him because he did mention rin too much and don’t understand what you just explained and he killed Minato and kushina. Besides that the dude was awesome impersonating madara and Tobi and no one could fuck with him until madara was revived . The anime made him even cooler than he was in the manga especially with the fight against the hidden mist ninja .
You got Madara's philosophy on point. "His primary concern wasn't himself. His family was dead. His clan had rejected him. His village had rejected him. His best friend had rejected him. He had no personal connections left. The Eye of the Moon plan was created not out of a desire to restore what Madara lost, but as a cure for the human paradox."
Don't know why people are saying you're reaching with the back thing, it's very clearly established numerous times.
Whether or not it's being established as "Can't lead others" or "This is a connection to Hashirama stabbing him in the back in the future, and maybe he was always sensitive to the idea" is a different story though.
OwO whats this
SethTheProgrammer post already you goon
SethTheProgrammer Hey Seth can you do 'Why Toneri Otsutsuki is stronger than you think' that guy has planet level feats comparable to Jubidaara, everyone thinks Hashirama can beat him and please do Saint Seiya
Kaibe Corp Toneri has pike feats much better than Madara's him moving the moon was actualy calculated to be at planet level,he was also about to destroy earth with tenseigan's power,his Silver Wheel reincarnation was calced around small planet level and Madara has barely any feats around planet he is only comparable to Hagoromo who also moved the moon into orbit . Actually you should do some reasearch yourself
Kaibe Corp how the hell did you assume i'm kid? I never said Hagoromo didn't create the moon and creating a moon is like small planet level moving it in a short time is Planet level Madara literally has no feats comparable at that level bring feats and then we can talk and Toneri also had the best speed feat in the series others only scale to him also go and learn some physics
Madara: I'm using war as a business to put an end to war as a business
Naruto: I was wrong, you're not greedy
Madara: am I finally getting through?
Naruto: YOU'RE BAD SHIT INSANE!
Isn't that from Metal Gear Rising? lol
@@meitroxgaming6988 yes
It's ironic that Madara, who sought peace, is responsible for a heck of a lot of war.
devak the whole point, I guess
What do you expect? Pretty please surrender?
Madara: fuck no! Come at me!
Me: agreed!
The ends justify the means; he had to in order to trigger the infinite tsukuyomi
Madara wanting peace is bullshit, it is just a fanservice for madara/uchiha fantards. His real objective is power, power and more power, just as megalomaniac as he is.
+hyenalover 26 It seems you havent read the manga properly. If you think his character is as shallow as for example, Vergil from Devil May cry, who was a character who actually SOUGHT power as he said it himself. He would have literally sacrificed a life of eternity on his own as a lonely god to achieve his dreams. He was already pretty powerful on his own seeing that he beat more than 90% ninjas solely on his own without becoming Sage of the 6th paths yet. Of course for a plan such as big you need power. Consider that Hashirama wasn't even his objective the whole War Arc. He was just a realistic character seeing that peace does not work either way because of human nature and the cicle of sacrifice and bloodshed. And if it werent for the late asspulls and Kaguya, he would have won, pretty simple. To achieve something great = you need power. And no, by explaining this does not mean I am an "Uchiha" fantard, just passionate about the manga itself.
I never really get why Kaguya had to be introduced at the end of Naruto. She would actually serve as a better mystery and plot point for the Boruto series, providing a great long-term mystery for the new series. But alas, that is not the case.
Von k No... Just no... Kaguya could've been perfect for the Boruto series, which in turn would make The Last have more impact as a story because it would be used to build up Kaguya for the Boruto series. Kaguya being introduced in the final act of Naruto is horrible storytelling rearing its ugly head at its finest. In other words, it's atrocious. Kishimoto should've said no to his editors and saved Kaguya for the Boruto series, as that point, he would only be a supervisor for the series.
Von k No, as that would be bad storytelling. The shock factor is gone from her appearance and it would just be lazy to reuse her.
No, saving kaguya next series would just as lazy since it not only give protégé to much runnig start, but it would also rely to much on mystery can lead to easily been poorly handled and misinterpreted. What kishi needed to do is properly build up kaguya.
Kye Dysarthria Which was the impossible during the end of Naruto. Kaguya should've been the endgame villain of Boruto, or at least a midgame villain for the new series. It's all in the buildup. Balancing between short term and long term mystery is the key.
I think her role as a villain was to personify what Madara wanted to be. She also gave a bit of irony to Madara as Madara was built up to be this great manipulator only to find out how easily she and Black Zetsu manipulate him.
Fun Fact: Madara is a village in northeastern Bulgarian.
The village is famous because of its monument "The Madara/Madarski (Мадарски) Horseman"
i once was at a hotel named Madara
The biggest plothole is that Everyone OG knew about Uzumaki Clan
but no one gave two shits about Naruto being from Uzumaki clan,
The Kage from Sand, Orochimaru (considering he knows a lot of Old Jutsus and History), Lady Chio, Heck even Madara didn't give two shits
And then the reveal that Uzumaki Clan was the Most Feared clan was pulled straight outta Kishimoto's ass
Hey Mathwiz, I wanted to point out something that I hope you can elaborate on in your videos
Everything that Madara predicted happened. He said that he knew that after Hashirama, Tobirama was bound to succeed him, and that the Senju would continue to rule Konoah forever.
Look at what Happened. The student of Hashirama and Tobirama became the third. The student of The Third's student became the 4Th. The granddaughter of Hashirama, and the Student of the 3rd became the fifth. This pattern continued with the 6th and 7th.
If you are not in the direct lineage of the Senju-via apprenticeship or blood, then you can't become hokage.
The Hokage don't become Kage through hard work Alone. They are groomed by the sucessor's of the Senju in small 3-man squads, and then picked from there.
Madara was right. These students aren't just inheriting the "Will of Fire", but also the "Will of the Senju".
Madara saw this coming and tried to warn his clan, but they were blinded, and then disposed of later on.
That could make Boruto really interesting then, considering Sarada, an Uchiha, is the one with a strong desire to become Hokage, while Boruto has no desire to be Hokage. If that goal is eventually realized, which I imagine it will be, an Uchiha will be inheriting the Senju lineage, therefore defying Madara's prediction.
Fuck, now I *have* to watch Boruto. lol
Mathwiz
Lol. We can only hope that the show just starts getting good-consistently good, lol
GabrielReed The Uchiha were exterminated because of Danzo, If Danzo allowed Shisui to carry out his plan he could have ended the coup with Kotoamatsukami. Then again Danzo is the cause of many of the problems in the series, another example is Nagato. Its because Danzo got in Hanzo's ear and made him distrust the original Akatsuki that Nagato ended up on the path he did as well.
There's a couple flaws. Mainly with the last 3 kages (excluding tsunade). Minato was Jiraiya student not Hiruzens. Although yes Hiruzen did pick Minato, it wasn't apprenticeship. Same for kakashi and Naruto. Itachi was hinted at wanting to be Hokage or at least had potential. And he followed the will of fire.
Uchiha Is it too far to say that Danzo inherited his master's (Tobirama) cut-throat attitude and bias against the Uchiha while Hiruzen inherited his other master's (Hashirama) kindness?
what if George Washington came back to life and just started bodying everyone like that
What?
@@crushelnast6657 what don't you understand about the comment
@@crushelnast6657 Madara is the founder of Konoha
Then I think there would be an awful lot of compromising required to deal with it. Compromising I don't see a large chunk of the nation as willing, or possibly even _capable_ of doing. So, endgame would be the total destruction of the nation, by Washington. Which in theory would end up forcing pretty much the rest of the world to ally temporarily just to survive. Problem being, it would be temporary and every power involved would be working more towards their own advantage post battle than winning. Long term prognosis? Human civilization is thrashed on a global scale and whatever civilization(s) rise afterwards are focused more on figuring out how the feth George Washington pulled that off than on learning any real lessons about nation building.
0:29 I see that you have studied the works of the great poet-Itachi Uchiha.
Oh wow. Obito manipulated Sasuke just like Madara manipulated Obito. That's another interesting connection I somehow didn't notice.
Mathwiz to be honest I wonder if obito originally intended to try and convince sasuke to help him complete the infinite tsukuyomi which is why he was not only telling him things like the true reason itachi killed the uchiha clan but also gave him itachis eyes as a way to make him grow stronger.
Kaguya actually fit the arc, if you think about it. Madara served to show that his worldview of negating duality wouldn’t work because he, himself was human and would be unable to cast aside his desire for violence. I agree that his arc felt incomplete: his defeat by Naruto and Sasuke after they received the powers of the sage’s sons would have shown that the duality in and of itself created unity, and that chakra did not lead to separation but unity. However, Madara’s flaw and incompatibility with his own plan existed not because of his flawed logic on chakra, but because Madara was human and had his own desire for conflict. This makes him imperfect, because it does not prove beyond reasonable doubt that casting aside duality was not the answer. His execution was poor. Kaguya served as a perfect vessel for the same ideal of rejecting duality because she had no hypocrisy. She had no desire for violence and fully committed and had the power to achieve the infinite tskuyomi. She had no humanity to cast aside. That’s why Naruto and Saskue’s victory over Kaguya by means of duality and chakra was much more meaningful than Madara’s defeat would have been. They defeated the perfect version of Madara’s vision, Madara without the desire for violence or power, without the humanity. Because two humans who had all of these beat her, it proved beyond reasonable doubt that the vision the infinite tskuyomi provided was inevitably the incorrect path. The perfect conditions and vessel of this plan were defeated by its “inferiors” by its own standards. It’s like the communism argument, that “nobody did it right yet” and that’s why it failed. Madara didn’t do it right, so his ideal held its own still. His execution could be theoretically be called into question. Kaguya essentially served as someone who “did it right” and proved it was the philosophy that failed.
The ending basically ruined the whole show. Is it just me or does it feel like they just forced in all that otsutski stuff at the end for no reason? like fighting akatsuki for 500 episodes then BAM they are controlled by a supposedly dead guy, controlled by a dead guy, controlled by a alien god thing?
The entire 4th war arc is basically Kishimoto both forcing himself to end the series while also trying to add in every last idea he had for the series. So much new stuff gets introduced with very little explanation.
J Rizz Kishimoto got rushed by Bandai
i just dont undertand the progression of this plot. the original plot doesnt feel rushed to me. it feels like the plot was completely blind sided and replaced by this new bad one
J Rizz Just imagine how good Naruto would've been if kishimoto didn't get rushed for 15 years
Von k orochimaru, then pain konan duo, then the zabuza haku duo, the hidan kakuzu duo, kabuto, kimimaro, kisame, madara its not really in order. but for mJor bad guys this is it. itachi would b on here if i considered him a villain but hes not imo.
I for one found Madara's end fitting. In his arrogance, Madara always thought he was the one pulling all the strings. Yet, at the end of the day, he himself was the one being used. A mere tool to something greater.
Boring asspull
@rami so what they like her she's still a shit character you know for people that complain about overpowered characters like Madara she's just an overpowered dumbass character where at least Madara has a goal and purpose behind why he does what he does what is her purpose exactly
@rami nothing for one I don't watch Boruto because its trash and two it just means they wasted a final villain in Madara for a character in another series
Greg Ball read the manga , anime is ass its like a whole different story
@brien Honestly, it is an asspull because that would be like, let’s say, after Thanos got all the infinity stones, gave it to Raccoon or Rocket and said “Here it is, Master, we shall bring about prosperity to the Universe” 🙃
Also, Kaguya seemed TOO dumb to come up with something like that while being sealed, what stopped her from creating another Zetsu while being sealed by Naruto and Sasuke? She creating Zetsu is an asspull of itself
About time, a UA-camr finally explained madaras philosophy. I was getting tired, of constantly explaining to people, that madara could kill with the infinite tsukuyomi. he didn't do so, because he wanted to save the shinobi world. It was never his intention, infact, in his own way, he genuinely believed he was the savior. Instead of a placing the entire populace, in a nightmare realm. He placed them, in a dreamscape, an alternative reality, of no war, no pain and no suffering. Only peace, and their desires fulfillment. thanks for this video, I can just link it now honestly. Also, I can say that madaras love for battle is strong, but it wouldn't be a contradiction to his philosophy. infact, madara became powerful, because he wanted to protect people. that correlates to his ideology as well , remember that madara sacrificed his own people for this belief. the same clan, in which he became powerful in order to protect . its obvious, fighting wasn't going to make him think about it. or even hesitate in the slightest, wouldn't be a contradiction nor is it.
LOL
^ Stop being a hater with childish "arguments".
@@RoxyCherryRozy where the childish arguement ? Answer: in your imagination
@@dimensionzone8048 deleted your comment? lol
@@RoxyCherryRozy lmao its clearly still there. I didn't even know what comment section this was for a second till I re-read it
2:40
Vid: "Hashirama brought an end to clan warfare...."
Me: "But he upped the clan war into a war of nations, ikr?"
Vid: "....but he created a new threat in madara."
Basically, Hashirama should have listened to Tobirama and killed Madara. It was Madara who ignited the First World War and ruined everything.
@@tiaaaron3278 no, it was the rejection and Tobirama's hatred against Uchiha's, which manifested into manipulating Hashirama to reject Madara. One can even argue that with Tobirama, we have already had a villain as Hokage.
@@asmylia9880 Oh shut up, Madara chose to he an evil bastard, even his own clan hated him. Fuck Madara. Everything was his fault.
@@tiaaaron3278 his own clan hated him because he reached out to a senju to end their clan war peacefully! Hence madara's brother even told him on the verge of death that madara should rather die before making peace with them! Madara and Pain/Nagato actually have similar parallels in terms of their development. Both aimed for piece, both tried the peaceful way but both got backstabbed in the worst possible way. And the fact that Tobirama hated the Uchiha's and caused the fake "Coup Et'at" which lead to the massacre of the Uchihas. There's no denying if it wasn't for Tobirama, the whole thing wouldn't had happened.
@@asmylia9880 That's your bad fanfiction. Chapter 624 makes it clear all Uchiha wanted peace except Madara and Izuna.
Madara was hated among his own clan because he was insane and everyone despised him.
And Tobirama never hated the Uchiha. He literally says as much. He was rightfully cautious of them and they were mentally volatile.
The massacre had nothing to do with Tobirama. It was on Danzo and the Uchiha themselves.
By the way, try to actually read or watch Naruto. Your lore knowledge is horrible and inaccurate.
I realize this is an old video but I feel that I have something to contribute to Kaguya’s merit that I never see discussed. Perhaps it will sway your view.
Most of the villains in Naruto are simply a problem of the shinobi world that has manifested tenfold. I don’t really need to discuss this to a great extent since you’ve gone into it very thoroughly, but the reason I bring this up is because Kaguya and Zetsu are supposed to demonstrate how those problems started in the first place, whilst also touching on some other themes like what true peace is and playing off of Naruto’s goals.
One of the concepts throughout Naruto is how love can force people into doing terrible things. The first instance of this to my knowledge is Hiruzen allowing Orochimaru to escape the village when he discovers his experiments. Itachi massacring the Uchiha clan himself because it would allow Sasuke to survive is another example of this. Danzo’s actions for Konoha’s wellbeing can also come under this category, albeit this one is harder to believe. Kaguya elaborates on this theme as well. Out of her love for her sons and also the world, she activated the Infinite Tsukuyomi to protect them from the other Otsutsuki clan members. Through her desire to protect Earth and humanity, she resorts to cruelty and ruling malevolently over the world to end all warfare. However, it is these actions that cause conflict to arise. In the anime, a salesman tells Hagoromo that people are starting to rebel against Kaguya’s cruelty and she immediately quells their movements as a response. We also see Hagoromo and Hamura rebel against Kaguya as well due to her tactics, which the anime elaborates on also.
Through her sons’ betrayal, Kaguya’s love for them immediately begins twisting into hatred, which gives us a nice insight as to how the hatred in the shinobi world came to be. Pain talks about the cycle of hatred, but this only explains why hatred never really subsides and instead perpetuates. Kaguya’s interactions with her sons demonstrate how it’s created. The only other aspect of the show that I can remember that does this is Sasuke’s feelings towards Konoha after Itachi’s death, but this isn’t quite the same.
Zabuza’s quote about shinobi being tools also comes back into play when Zetsu stabs Madara in the back stating he was merely a pawn as well, a parallel I think many people acknowledge. However Zabuza’s sentiment is also shown in its truest form via the end result of the Infinite Tsukuyomi; the creation of White Zetsus. White Zetsus are quite literally a tool in the purest form. They’ve been stripped of their original individuality and have been made to simply serve a purpose. Kaguya obviously wanted to use them to stop the other Otsutsuki, but the fact that Tobi used an army of them in the Fourth Shinobi World War to match the Allied Shinobi Forces further proves this point. Their creation could be compared to a shinobi conveyer belt almost. Unlike shinobi, who have dreams and goals of their own, their existence was to serve and nothing more, further showing Kaguya to be the cause of this concept as well.
Kaguya also further cements the importance of Naruto and Sasuke’s final fight, specifically what it means to be Hokage and why it’s important Naruto fills that position. Earlier in the war, Itachi tells Naruto that the person who becomes Hokage doesn’t become acknowledged by everyone, but it’s the person who’s acknowledged by everyone who becomes Hokage. He tells him this to make sure he doesn’t lose sight of the value his comrades have and solely rely on his own power to bring about his dream. Kaguya represents the opposite of this. She attempts to impose her will onto others in order to bring about peace via her overwhelming power, but it amounts to nothing but conflict and misery. Instead of trying to understand everyone and get along in spite of their differences, she instead uses her power to force people into submitting to her point of view. This doesn’t create a maintainable peace, only a temporary one. So in a way, the form of peace Kaguya has created by forcing her will onto others is weaker than one that everyone mutually seeks. Naruto has brought nearly all his enemies around to his way of thinking by making them understand his point of view and attempting to understand theirs and find a rebuttal for it. The fact that he can do this do people who are in direct opposition to his viewpoint shows that he’s easily the most capable of being Hokage and bringing about peace to the shinobi world. It’s through Kaguya’s erroneous ways that we see why Naruto becoming Hokage is so important, because he could achieve peace via understanding as opposed to brute force. This also ties into the philosophies of Indra and Ashura, but that was more about how others can enhance your own strength rather than how it relates to peace.
Where Kaguya’s hypocrisies lie are through her creation of Black Zetsu. Her arrogance in believing that only she could bring about peace and nobody else ended up creating the very thing she wished to get rid of; eternal conflict. Zetsu is responsible for further fuelling conflict in the shinobi world in order to bring about his mother’s revival. In a way, this ties back to what Madara said about the selfish desire for peace bringing about conflict, but where he was wrong in this is that peace can be attained without conflict through the way Naruto goes about it, which I mentioned earlier.
My apologies if this is all over the place. I’m not good at articulating these sorts of things. I thank you for taking the time to read my ramblings and hope I changed your mind in some way.
Wow, you actually did change my mind! This gave a whole new perspective on Kaguya. I was always a bit disappointed that she showed up like that and Madara was killed off in an unpleasent way for the viewer.
However her appearence was inevitable since it was foreshadowed throughout the story. That’s why I understood that she had to show up at some point, but this comment made me realize there is more to it. Thank you!
@@gorsla Glad I could change your mind!
The One...you should be the next Hokage, your Talk No Jutsu is serious. XDDD
(Side_Note:) I never had a problem with kaguya’s revelation.
@@sk82rok Thank you, you're too kind!
Despite that what you said is mostly filler, the points that you made is shown in other naruto villains, there is no point of showing it again
I don’t think that her wanting peace fits her character, she literally turned 100 thousands of humans into white zetsus
A villain really isn't a villain without some human vulnerability. Madara had so much power that he never thought to look back. Ironically his downfall, not once, but multiple times. I like that.
i wish kishimoto would just rewrite the ending of naruto
Alan Torres No. Kishimoto won't change what he wrote. Don't take it as regrets.
sorry man but it need to change or many old fan who support this series will continue to be disgust and angry on how it ruin the theme of naruto.
Jeffrey Payne we went from cool ninja shit to fucking aliens
What's wrong with the ending?
BadTimes McGee no buildup random bad writing completely different theme from being a fucking ninja
A Mathwiz video! Hooray!
do itachi hypocrisy. also all characters have hypocrisy including naruto. its just that naruto never gave up on his hypocrisy and managed to force his beliefs on people
zero it’s painful when I hear people liked itachi when it’s clear they hadn’t thought of making I’m a “good” guy as a result he actions in part 1 make no sense
zero All characters aren't hypocrite at all.
The thing is, Itachi isn't a good guy. He's a guy with good intentions. He didn't what he did out of the kindness of his heart. He did it because he believed it was necessary.
The problem is, the narrative doesn't condemn him. All the other characters constantly sing Itachi's praises and say he's the greatest ninja ever, when he has done a lot of terrible things.
I still wonder why the fuc Itachi thought subjecting his brother through mental and physical torture for years, outright forcing the boy to sacrifice years of his life and the rejection of his comrades for more power to have even the hope of defeating him, just so Itachi can satisfy his own selfish guilt.
Been waiting on your Madara video since your analogies are so multi-layered and complex compared to many I see. Brought a new found appreciation for writing thanks to your videos.
Madara's failure stems from his believe that since he's the strongest, his will and philosophie is truth. His unability to question his own believes his what always led to his downfall. Both his underlings, Nagato and Obito, while agreeing with some of his philosophie, saw through his insanity and never had any interest in following with the order to bring him back to life. If it wasn't for kabuto he would be alive during the 4th ninja war, and at the first chance he got betrayed by obito, as did his clan and best friend in his first live. He never dared to question his believes, because of his god complex. The irony is that madara, with all his power was just a pawn without even knowing it, shattering his own philosophie completly. He was never in controll, he was always the puppet for Nagato, Obito and Zetsu while he thought he was the player.
He had two failsafes against Obito. The curse tag on his heart and Black Zetsu (who he believed was his will incarnate). Even if Obito got rid of the curse tag on his heart like he did and Edo Madara was never revived, Black Zetsu would force the Rinne Rebirth by Obito like he did. Obviously events wouldnt play out the same way, but Black Zetsu had so much faith in Madara as a pawn he intentionally engineered Kabuto into resurrecting Madara. Madara had failsafes, and even if his failsafe of Zetsu wasnt what he thought it was, Zetsu likely would have revived him anyways somehow
I hate how ppl never seem to point this out. When it comes to Madara the first thing people shine the whole damn sun on is how they think the end of Shippuden was shitty and how everything after that was 100% bullshit.
@@paleriderpalehorse55 Even as a Hardcore Naruto fan who thinks Naruto is his favourite series, I gotta say that the War Arc was a downgrade in quality. It was still very enjoyable mind you and the sales figures and rankings agree so don't let anyone tell you any different.
@@JP-zb3yb obito was easily able to defy the curse tag the fact that he didn't give a shit about reviving madara and wanted to do the tsyukomi on his own it's even more evident that when madara tried to control him using the rods he was able to defy it easily
This video and your hope and hypocrisy series is so incredibly deep, and your articulation is on point.
But he is saying many things wrong though
Madara is & will always be my favorite antagonist in Naruto. His presence, fighting style, personality etc all are so fun to watch. His writing is also amazing as well.
He is cool , but his writing is really bad
Man even though almost everyone went through fucked up shit in naruto it feels tooo bad to be in Madaras shoes and being stabbed all your existence... that just shows how right Madara was not trusting anybody to be behind him and yet he forgot to keep that instinct... and it lead to him being stabbed one more.. but last time.
Great talk, I really enjoyed this one as well. I'd love to point out a thing with Kaguya, where the primary mistake in her character development from my perspective was her Lover (the village chief's) distrust and 'OK I believe you' response, when the enemy lied about Kaguya attacking them first, while she was only protecting her people from the enemy.
It would've been perfect if kaguya was introduced into boruto and the references of her in Naruto would've gave her good build up
This mini-series so far has been fantastic. I'm always a fan of hypocritical characters (when they're written by the author like that on purpose) and I think that's why I love Naruto so much, and hearing my reasoning being explained in much greater detail than I could is wonderful.
Really makes you think how much of this kishimoto made on purpose
A fair amount of this is outright stated by the characters, which honestly makes my "revelations" feel less special to me. :<
To give a few examples, Madara spoke of the "duality of mankind" after he immobilized Tobirama. The stuff about "cultivating those who would come after" is directly stated by Hashirama to a dying Madara, who then responds about hating having someone stand behind him. My only thought as to why I had never heard anyone connect the dots is that it's a long-running shounen, so maybe people just didn't fully appreciate these concepts in isolation. I'm not sure lol.
Mathwiz yeah probably or because you forget those things especially if you only watched it once
Joel ! Exactly
Mathwiz i like these concepts but I dont like how kishimoto presents these ideologys.
Joel ! Probably the big Majority of it, although I think his final arc power ups were straight up stupid, and all of his female characters are actually trash, IMO he is a phenomenal writer, in the manga franchise he is the second best writer nowdays (and since the beginning of Naruto) , only bested by Oda , the Creator of One piece, which is just ...idk the dude is beyond genius level for sure
Loved the video and I just want to say thank you for making my life easier to live. I'm currently going through my last year of high school and currently dealing with a lot of depression and suicidal thoughts, the only things that are keeping my mental health ok is watching your vids and creating my own content like you. Once again thanks dude, hit me up if you want to collab or something.
Madara is my favorite character so i love this video much
I think Kaguya served as the final history lesson of the series. With her came the series of events that led to Naruto and Sasuke, Indra and Ashura finding peace. She is the symbolism of Yin and Yang that became divided. With Kaguya, the worldbuilding was completed and everything factual was fleshed out.
She is part of the grander scale in Naruto and in a series that is based on duality is the form of wholeness. Her story is where all the myth is derived from which I think provides a satisfying closing to the series (albeit the anime altering a few things for the worse in my opinion like proving her to be an alien). She is the beginning of the pendulum that sets all major events in the series and its lore from hagoromo and hamura to Naruto and Sasuke.
I think there is a larger discussion to be had about Kaguya. Everyone has the right to say she was a poor final villian, but I don't see whats wrong with disagreeing with that thought like I do. Ultimately I believe Kaguya was a great concept with ideas that aren't discussed much to my knowledge, but was played out too quickly in a short time.
Konstantin Ganchev It's a good thing and not a bad thing that Kaguya was considered as the root of the evil part in the shinobi world, how she wanted to create a world where peace exists. But still the reason why Kaguya became how she was is because first, she was rejected by tenji when he was making a choice between Kaguya or his village and second, when she ate the divine fruit (reference to the Apple where Adam and eve meet the snake), something in her changed, not only her power (horns and the third eye) but also, the actual way how she wanted to create the world she desired to.
Those two reasons are the catalyst why Kaguya was considered as the root of evil, and black zetsu was the one, by her will, who manipulated the indra's generation (Uchiha side) and that's how it led to the situation with madara to the Akatsuki.
The thing is Kaguya is still alive in Boruto and can make a return.
Its been confirmed that there are mutlipe Otsutsuki clan members who are stronger than kaguya.
And whit this Naruto and Sasuke wont stand a chance against them,so they may en up unsealing Kaguya from the seal.
Just like how Ichigo freed Aizen to fight Yhwach, because that was his only choice.
If they waited till boruto to introduce her then maybe she would have been a better charactee
quade so what kaguya can still return in Boruto
sahin vert what i was saying was that if she was introduced in boruto she would have more buildup and not be there last minute
Loved the first part, expecting great things from this video as well ;)
I hadn't thought about it like that. Great video bro
So i'm guessing Math and Craft are going to do Bleach analysis videos once they finally finish Bleach.
Craftsdwarf will probably be doing to Bleach what I'm doing to Naruto now.
Mathwiz So, are you guys gonna be analysis videos on every series you finish on the Nen Show Cast?
BlasttotheMax The Second they will if they things to say
Maybe. The podcast is a mix of our first impressions and an open-ended discussion that helps us gain a better understanding of the series we're talking about and what we think it was trying to do. If any particular subject stands out in the discussion, like Sasuke for Craftsdwarf or "Talk no Jutsu" for me, we might try to look into it more to form a more informed opinion of that subject.
If someone wanted to hear my thoughts on Madara, for example, it's easier to recommend them this 12-minute video than a multiple hours-long podcast. That said, if nothing jumps out at me, I probably won't cover that series in a video like this. Bleach didn't really grab me, so I only have 1 idea that I'm considering making a video on, but even that video is a "maybe" at this point. Man, I'm not very good at giving short answers, am I?
yeah the "revenge video" idea you had for bleach feels right up your alley considering your recent Naruto videos so i get why that's the only topic you might want to cover related to bleach with all them "contradictions"
amazing analysis
Wow I LOVE these naruto vids, they’re so well thought out
dude, you are amazing! Elevating naruto to this degree is impressive
Needless to say, Madara was a dope villain!
Welp, time for another Naruto rewatch...
Plot made Sasuke not copy 1000 jutsu like Kakashi To me, the manga is not as enjoyable and I don’t read manga much. The only manga I still read is HxH’s.
@@YonkoJay you guys watch/read naruto too much
im not the one to say tho
Great Content. Thank you Mathwiz!!!
Wow, I have been getting these videos recommended for a bit now, and I should have watched them soon as they are really good. I like your analysis on their senses of self and ideals.
This analysis seems to be a criticism of Madara's character rather than his ideals, or his means rather than his ends. The first two points, that Madara required chakra in order to eliminate chakra, and that he loved fighting, are both completely out of his control. Additionally, he already viewed the world as corrupt and painful, so he likely had no qualms about causing more conflict in order to end it in the long term.
The last one (which seems to be two) criticize his extreme paranoia, which prevents him from being a leader, and his lack of interest in his successors. The former isn't related to his ideology as much as it is to his personality, and is likely (as you mentioned) a product of his troubled past. The latter isn't a flaw in his ideology, but a logical conclusion based on it. He believed the world would always be locked in conflict, so he likely viewed his successors with despondency for the torment they'd have to endure. It made no difference to him what his successors believed unless they were willing to aid him in eliminating it (and Sasuke clearly wasn't).
I mean...I wasn't really "criticizing" him in a negative sense. My last video was about how many of the major antagonists contradicted themselves at one point or another, but how that was a deliberate narrative choice. As antagonists, they are meant to be defeated, and their hypocrisy was something that lead to their defeat.
The first two points I mentioned are interesting facets of his character, not writing flaws. That his ideology (world peace) and personality (loves to fight) are at odds with one another is really cool. It's why I think he's a great character. Pretty much everything related to hypocrisy that I mentioned in this video, unless specified otherwise, are good things.
Damn u missed the point of this video fr.
My bad, I was looking at this as a video on philosophy rather than an analysis of the series itself. Looking at it that way, it's very well done.
I still don't get why this is a part of the hypocrisy series then. You do sound like you are criticizing Madara with the mere preface. The title is even named "The Contradictions of Madara Uchiha."
I've watched the first Hope and Hypocrisy in Naruto, which was "In Defense of Talk no Justu."
I believe this is all about confronting the characters' hypocritical or contradictory beliefs/views/perspectives on life & the world. But I've watched the whole video and I don't understand how Madara is a hypocrite or where the contradictions lie.
Madara can like conflict, he can loathe it, he can feel any way he wants to feel about it, but it doesn't affect his beliefs (nor vice versa), because they're not in the same dimension. There is no contradiction. Whether he likes fighting or not is irrelevant to what he wants (his ultimate goal) unlike Neji, Gaara, and others... where what they actually want directing affects how they interact with their reality.
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I guess it is actually fitting that Naruto and Sasuke don't defeat Madara. You can't really trump the fact that removing duality means to cause the world to lack opposites. Without good, there is no bad, and vice versa.
The only way to defeat that is to make a valid case that the world has more good in it than bad, and that neutralizing would worsen that. But it's near impossible, if not impossible, to make such a case.
@@GrubKiller436 I guess the flaw doesn't lie in the contradiction between his personality and beliefs, because In guess he saw himself also as an product of the hypocritical world, but because he can't understand a world outside of duality.
His whole existence was with duality and he thrived in it. He got one of the strongest Ninjas and fellt alive in a fight, while at the same time longed for Peace and equality.
A Dream world is wrong for Humans, because it rejects the possibility to identify the hypocricy within and correct the flaw. No growth and no Goal! Humans need duality or they get miserable
I think Kaguya could have been mantioned at the end, like the last movie or something like that, and conclude Madaras character arc.
Interesting, k!
Instead of making Naruto and Sasuke fight Kaguya, make it a lore. They learn about, Sasuke keeps finding stuff abut this women called Kaguya. Then just like the movie Momoshiki and Kinshiki come down like before.
Hmm, maybe Boruto might defeat them? Or Kawaki?
Man are you a philosopher cause your breakdowns are on a whole new level
Well it's out been waiting for this one since you mentioned you were going to make I hope it's good
Edit: 11:00 Really Mathwiz REALLY
This is dope. Never really thought of madara as a very deep character until this vid
Kishimoto very often workes with the anime creators together, e.g. the episode with Kakashis face in the anime original, is actually legit his face. Its canon!!!!! :O
So I imagine the two anime fillers with Kaguya to be canon as well. I think her hypocricy is literally the hypocricy of every over-protective mother. Mothers somehow develop this instinct of wanting to protect their kids from everything. So much that the kids find it hard to grow up and become independant and reliable people. I feel the need to put their kids into some kind of thick and soft ball of cotton to protect them from any harm. The children must learn from their parents mistakes, from their mothers experiences!... Even if its by good intentions, the kids are prevented from making their own experiences, from making their own mistakes.
Thats why so often, especially sons, turn away from their mothers, annoyed, fed up and angry with her, which in turn hurts the mother. In some cases it hurts her to the degree of a heart break, "how could my own flesh and blood betray me?" and such nonsense.
I have such a mother, and some of my friends also have this type of mothers. I turned my back on her some time ago, however, since she is sick and will die in the near future because of cancer I decided to come back and let her have some happy moments before she leaves this world. After that I will be free, not exactly the kind of free I wished but ok, its the circle of life....
I guess Kishimoto might have created Kaguya out of his own experience with his mother....Maybe not, who knows.
In regards to your situation, all the best - I hope you get (or got) some level of understanding with your mom.
All the best too with what happens after.
I never seen this connection
That's very interesting
Today has been good for anime fans! Got like 5 videos from the people I like
I love the fact that your explanations for the characters are better than how both the anime and manga executed
When you really do think about it, in the end Madara was still right in the very end pretty much because of boruto.
Stephen Jenkins like thanos?
@@greyworld6242
Thantos is gay.
@@soullesseater9327 Then madara is gay too because there are literally no difference between madara and thanos,thanos becomes good guy like madara in the end
@@soullesseater9327 Plus personality wise they are similar
@@stop156 Thanos intended to commit omnicide and then recreate the universe at the end. He didn't become a good guy.
This analysis makes me feel really stupid. While I got that talk no jutsu was about addressing hypocrisy, I never recognized the overarching theme of Naruto talking his opponents into recognizing those hypocrisies and it was really a realignment of belief/behavior that ultimately changed them rather than that they just appreciated Naruto's tenacity and recognition of their better natures. And that not just individual hypocrisy but hypocrisy, itself, was Madara's motivation: mind blown a little. I mostly didn't like the ending because it seemed to keep pulling deus ex machina left and right and the power creep had gotten to the point of ridiculousness, made it hard to know what the show was trying to say through all the noise.
Damn. I've been wanting to go through Naruto and create an abridged version that cut out so many flashbacks and such, but now I'm recognizing there's actually a lot more of the story and themes I need to understand to actually do an abridgment the justice it would deserve... which is even more work on top of rewatching hundreds of episodes... Phew. That'll probably never happen, haha.
Excellent content. Both this and its predecessor were really interesting and enlightening.
this was actually really insightful
just letting you know even today i find this content very entertaining and glad you put the effort you do without adding in your own BS opinion and power scaling.
Madara is right. There is no other way to make peace until you control the people. This gives rise to the issue of free will. But mankind is just born for conflict, no one wants to adjust, no one wants good for other but rather for themselves. Peace can only be achieved if it is controlled or if we all become Buddha. Man's ego and peace cannot coexist and man; all of us, we have ego. We can control it, but we can't get rid of it. That is why Madara is my second husbando after Kakashi.
Is it just me or are there several different accounts (Meran de, Forces DF, Sahin vert, Von k,, all without profile picture) spreading variations of the same weirdly formatted, melodramatic (her history is legend, your words won't reach Japan, creator planned all this) copypasta about Kaguya.
Is this one person ? Is this some sort of meme ? Are people really that lazy ?
I've been wondering the same thing. lol
I am glad, that means I am probably not paranoid or at least not the only one
Umor Thought I was the only one wondering about it
another great vid
Just subbed, great content and topics.
Have fun at AX!
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Bring👏Madara👏Uchiha👏back👏again!👏
He's a shit hax villain. Let him rot in hell.
This is my first video in your channel sir and it is AWESOME 😄 you have earned my sub😊
Wow just wow that was amazing. I can think of no other way to describe this
when did you reach 30k? Congrats Mathy
So, what I'm getting from this is that Madara was not only made to be flawed from an Ability standpoint, but as a character as a whole? Wow.
Wow your analysis was bang on!
Woah, this an amazin video 👏🏽👏🏽
Some great observations and this is a really excellent series of videos.
I think Kaguya does fit in thematically far better than you suppose here -but perhaps not into the way you're looking at things in this series.
Perhaps the biggest absence here is that Madara is the most obvious hypocrite in the series. Its all about his colossal egotism, perhaps because he has lost all his connections to others so the only thing he can serve is himself.
You never get the impression that Madara is benevolent no matter how much he tries to rationalize himself. He prides himself on the power he attains and on manipulating and deceiving others. There's never any doubt that what leads him down the path to the Infinite Tsukuyomi is jealousy over not being made Hokage and an inability to forgive the death of his brother. It's always all about him.
That he turns out to have been entirely unimportant and merely a pawn being manipulated by someone else, someone still far more powerful than he ever was, is the ultimate humiliatiion for Madara. He is defeated as if he were a footnote -and that's the point.
Kaguya is the end point of Madara's megalomania. She's alreeady done everything he was trying to do and did bring peace to the world. The people she brought peace to became White Zetsu -mindless slaves who obey every whim of a dictator. Like Madara she became corrupted by the power and it became all about her.
She doesn't return to save the world but for vengeance and she constantly sees Naruto and Sasuke as the sons who betrayed her. It's the sting of that betrayal that drives her and we see yet again the cycle of love, hatred and venegance.
I suspect there's probably a lot more to be said there -but I'm not equipped to do so at this time.
Sasuke is an interesting contrast with Madara. Like Madara Sasuke wants to rule the world after the war but instead of it being all about himself it's all about denying himself -it's an act of self-sacrifice for him to become a dictator. He wants to be like Itachi and Hashirama -the 2 people who turned him around from the descent into insanity he'd been in after he lerned the truth about Itachi (and of course ultimately Naruto will finish the process those 2 started just as Itachi predicted).
So in contrast to Gaara's destructive selflessness early on you have a very dangerous form of selflessness.
Those who let down their friends are trash so Madara is because he betrayed his clan and his friend and Hashirama is because in order to fulfil his mission of preserving the village he murdered his friend. Likewise Itachi.
The paradox of love runs right through the series in every arc in one form or another. The lack of it and isolation creates Naruto and in a worse case Gaara whose selfishness becomes incredibly destructive. Yet when attachments are made there is the potential for loss and betrayal which in turn can fuel hatred and destruction.
This series of vids has done a great job of showing how Naruto overcomes philosophical challenges by exposing his antagonists hypocrisy but I suspect that is part of a larger whole rather than the whole itself.
I don't think the series is anything like as optimistic as you suppose. Throughout, while Naruto may expose the hypocrisies of individuals the greater problem of the paradox remains. Nagato may come to realise that he has betrayed his own ideals but the prpblem remains and all they have is hope. So hope is definitely important but far more desperate than optimistic.
The alternatives of various forms of dictatorship, even in the form of self sacrifice adopted by Sasuke and Hashirama rather than the selfish versions of Obito, Madara and Kaguya, are 'short cuts' shown to be even worse than the 'hard road' of seeking 'peace in a positive way' through mutual understanding.
Perhaps you could view that as a defence of the status quo and an indictment of revolutionist politics though I'm not convinced that's the intended perspective (and the Infinite Tsukuyomi pandering to the selfish desires of those caught in it only for the end result for them to become mindless slaves as White Zetsu can easily be interpreted as a condemnation of the excesses of consumerism and market capitalism).
Either way, I think that, yes, hope is extremely important but one of the things that is most respectable in Naruto is that it doesn't come up with an easy answer. Its characters live on to keep trying to find the best path but the the fundamental problem remains unresolved. ..and while that's far from optimistic it is pretty cool.
In any event I'm very sorry that I didn't watch these videos sooner. Very stimulating.
I was rewatching some of your older naruto video's after I watched this one and I like how there is an arc in your video's about the series in which you slowly become more positive about it and I was wondering if you could make a playlist of your naruto video's so other people can get that arc more easily.
I'll get around to it at some point. Considering I have a few more in the works, it makes sense to make a separate playlist.
Bravo. You gave such A Great Analyzation.
It's because of these videos that I got full marks on my first ever essay. Thx!
Kaguya wasn't the final villain. It is the ramen guy.
Wow you really show me another side of naruto or better said explore it more thsn I ever could. Greatly appreciated. Just curious who is your favorite naruto villain?
I used to hate Madara (see my very first, terrible, video about Naruto), so it's quite ironic now that it might actually be him. Pain is definitely up there as well, and considering his character arc had a proper conclusion, that may be the only reason he edges out Madara for me.
I'm also a big fan of Gaara, though that's mostly because of his gradual change into a protagonist. Also, Deidara is cool mainly for the aesthetic. :P
Mathwiz yeah for me it would be 1.Pain 2.Madara and I also love Deidara and gaara but not only because of their role as a villain gaara because of his development and deidara because he taught me so much
Joel !
1 pain
2 orochimaru
3 zabuza
4 gaara
5 sasori/deidara?
Im honestly not that big of a fan of madara and obito as characters.
Would you say you were influenced by (usually shitty)general opinions on these shounens? I definitely was for a while and I hate myself for it lol.
pc gamerz ok I personally love both of them but everyone for themselves :)
I don't agre with every thing but I realy enijoy the 2 videos that was really good I didn't notice that time have passed !
This video did a lot to make me reevaluate my opinion of Madara’s impact and quality as a villain. While I always thought he was cool and menacing, I didn’t think he had the same thematic weight or personal resonance that Sasuke, Pain, or even Orochimaru had. He was presented as too powerful right at the outset, we didn’t really get a feel for his true motivations, and his hypocrisy to me was blatant and detracted from his character.
This video, along with going back to the episodes with his origin with Hashirama, changed my mind drastically. Now I can see why those things were included into his characters and how it helps tie up the overall story and themes of Naruto in the end. Really glad I gave him a second chance.
Thanks for uploading such thought provoking, well researched content. Looking forward to future videos of yours.
That’s so sad, in a way. The peace that Madara really wanted and fought for wasn’t a complete peace, and he lost faith in it. It takes a lot of work and consistent communication and compromise to maintain healthy, thriving cultures peacefully. I think he thought negotiations for peace would fail because of the prejudice against his clan, but taking the ninja world by force wasn’t justified either. It would have taken years to fix the problem between the Uchiha and the Senju, but it could have been solved or partly solved eventually. Instead he spent those years to start a war and erase ninjas, pretty extra, honestly, but also depressing because he had no hope for reconciliation with his village or Hashirama.
You know... If wasn't for some mistakes of Shippuden, Naruto series could have been the greatest story of all time.
RenanLSMaster yes but it's pretty great
RenanLSMaster For the flaws it does have its still my all time favorite show.
Uchiha same
arsam kiani yes, yes, Naruto is great, I don't denie it, but it could have been perfect.
Uchiha it is my favorite anime and my favorite story of all time together with the Witcher books.
I like it, this video. Feels very grounded and western, handling the story with a clear focus on themes, character, and plot. Doesn't get bogged down anime-subculture stuff.
This was a good video
You've made a mistake here I feel, a common one that I see many people make: You called Kaguya the final boss of the series but she wasn't, the final boss was Sasuke. After all the story didn't end with her defeat it ended only after the central conflict between Sasuke and Naruto was resolved. So she shouldn't be thought of as such.
Talking about the end of Madara's arc and his defeat, you may be right in your analysis, my thoughts on this are not yet fully formed. Though I do feel like the betrayal and revelation of manipulation at the hands of Zetsu, right down to Zetsu throwing Madara's own words to Obitio back in his face was a fitting end for his character and revealed his fatal flaw: hubris.
Kaguya and black zetsu are personifications of the x factor pulling humans towards ruin(think something like original sin). If Madara hypocrsy is caused by the duality of man and Naruto is able to rectify these problems what is factor pushing towards distruction? Kaguya( and black zetsu by extension) is the flawed nature of man itself, the root of which all problems spring from or the temptings of a devil which man has to directly comfront in order to make real change.
Naruto and Sasuke both aim to remove the issue which is in the very fiber of the world the live in so they fight Kaguya together. After dealing with this problem they each bring forth their own vison for how the world should be from now on and fight.
...This is how I see it but I might be overreaching.
Hazz Emperor
The thing is Kaguya is still alive in Boruto and can make a return.
Its been confirmed that there are mutlipe Otsutsuki clan members who are stronger than kaguya.
And whit this Naruto and Sasuke wont stand a chance against them,so they may en up unsealing Kaguya from the seal.
Just like how Ichigo freed Aizen to fight Yhwach, because that was his only choice.
1. That really doesn't have anything to do with my point as the phenomenon which I claim Kaguya/Black zetsu personify don't ever go away just change form.
2. Naruto and Sasuke have proven to be as strong as Otsutsuki clan members in "Naruto the last" and Boruto so they don't need Kaguya's help.
3. Kaguya's seal requires the combination of all 9 tailed beast to make the juubi in order to re-perform the Infinite Tsukuyomi which would requaire the death of B and Naruto.
4. Ichigo didn't release Aizen, Shunshi did.
Sahin vert, What?... "Kaguya is still alive in Boruto" ... It is stated in the official Info books (By Kishimoto) that Kaguya is dead.
They would literally have to go though what Black Zetsu did (God tree - Chakra of a entire planet - all tailed beasts - Host)
They would NEVER do such a thing from either side, since Kaguya betrayed Otsutsuki(Stated in Boruto) and Momoshiki was going to punish her (Stated in Boruto)
And as Hazz said, Shunsui freed Aizen, not Ichigo.
Hazz Emperor
Okay theb why did they release Aizen from the seal?
Isnt Aizen the biggest enemy?
The same goes for Kaguya.
If the Otsutsuki clan is so strong that they cannot do 1 thing.
The 5 kages will agree to revive Kaguya.
Just read the the bleach manga they released Aizen to fight Yhwach,because that was their only option.
And also Naruto forgives his enemy no matter how bad he or she is.
Remember Obito killed Naruto parents and Naruto called Obito he is the coolest guy.
So I can definitly see Kaguya coming back in Boruto.
Eternal Hokage also made a video that kaguya is gonna return in boruto go wacth that video
I remember someone saying Kaguya should have been the final boss of Boruto *INSTEAD* of Naruto
I kinda agree
Nice job!
I love your Naruto vids!
Not hypocrisy, but more like a philosophical paradox
Mahdi Soltanzadeh Which makes you question what is right
If you think about it everyone’s a hypocrite in Naruto and you can say the same thing in real life. Hypocrisy is the natural state of the human mind.
Well... yeah. I figure everyone knew that. There is no one size fits all solution to anything and life isn't homogenous. Meaning some people are going to get the short end of the stick. And the people who don't have to bend over backwards to justify why it's fair. And the people who did have to justify why it's fair for them to inflict suffering in others to even the scales. Hypocrisy in unavoidable
what a great character analysis
8:05 Wow I never even thought that way about the ground comment. That shit's way deeper than I thought it was.
Call me stupid but I have just now realized that those connecting properties of chakra, used for Ninshu are what allows Naruto to communicate with people in a strange void after intense clashes. I mean I figured that it was the case with Juubito, I just never connected it to other instances, especially with Naruto mostly just using focussed chakra (Rasengan, Bijudama) instead of more artificial handsign/element based ones like they are common in Ninjutsu.
Maybe Kishi did not think of that but I think he did and even if not it works for me.
I find it hard to believe that it wasn't intentional. The stuff with Naruto and Sasuke in particular was too on-the-nose to be pure coincidence.
Yes, I must confess I commented before you brought up that part in the video, because it felt like an epiphany about a pet-peeve of mine. Now looking back it was actually made pretty clear
Mathwiz Not only that, but when Naruto gave his chakra to the allied shinobi forces he literally connected himself with them, that's why they are able to see his memories and feel what hes feeling.
damn, now my mind is burning, guess that's a good thing ...
im wondering if the ninshu concept is being laid out in boruto to be on the bowl of underlying themes to be more delved in, given : the premise sent on start about a disruption on the ninja society foundations (at least in the function of ninjutsu as defense resource as well as the place of shinobi on this new world);
and the way boruto's eye is portrayed, which is wayy too soon to have any consistent interpretation given the few instances of it, but I guess it is something more close to the ninshu realm than the ninjutsu one [to being able to grasp emotional information rather than "physical" ( in contrast to the other eye power functions), as naruto acquired in a deeper level when he learned the toad's sage skills)
anyway, these are just my raw thoughts, so its quite a mess😐
thanks for the hard work wiz, its wonderful to get this kind of inspiration to think more onto a show that I'm following for so much time
You nailed it. Ninshu is essentially what Talk no Jutsu is.
I would argue that Hashirama also contradicted himself in his pursuit to bring peace between his clan & the Uchicha BUT failed to see how separating them from the village would ultimately lead to conflict
In the end (leading up to Kaguya zzz zzz) both Hashirama & Madara came to realize how flawed their philosophies were. Madara especially, seeing how it was built on a lie.
What separating? Hashirama's biggest mistake was sparing Madara. He should have killed him when he gave that ultimatum.
Madara‘s philosophy was right
@@sulikiller2-ls2ef What philosophy? He was nothing more than a powerhungry bastard.
@@tiaaaron3278 keep making that lame excuse all you want his goal still for a short time accomplished peace until Naruto and Sasuke ruined that who by the way have accomplished nothing
Tia Aaron Yeah he was a powerhungry bastard and it may seem hypocritical that this man is striving for peace, but in fact with this realization that humans, including himself, always will having conflicts made him believe that there is this is the cold reality of the human nature. However with the infinite Tsukuyomi there was a way to avoid reality and creating an illusion where no one has by defintion any problem. Everyone has his own personal ideal world without colliding to others. There is no difference between illusion and reality if you aren‘t aware of it. That‘s a flawless philosophy.
This is beautiful
You absolutely need to make more naruto videos. Dragonball too lol for real good shit 💪🏽
Boruto will never have a villain to match Madara's strength
Strength wise he will be surpassed no dount but a good villain like madara that im not really sure
*delta almost kills hokage naruto who is far beyond anyone like madara*
@@lunarhinata8889 yup
Do the contradictions of Itachi, I realize he basically outright stated it but it 'll be funny to see the Itachi Fanboys react :D
Not Squirrel Agree
There are more people who hate Itachi then the other way around
@@ikiliousdasylouiyasbdetyw9124 even if anyone isn't really fanboy of Itachi I doubt Except extreme minority anyone hates the Character, that being said Itachi being my 2nd fav yet looking at hordes of Itachitards I would rather have Itachi not existed in story at all
Sam Wasee WTF have u been on the internet my g ? Itachitards practically run the fanbase
I'm one of his fans but I admit he ain't perfect character. despite his doings can be justified it's still not 100% correct. he experienced false dilemma. yes he's wise person and can be honored as a hero, but is he a true or real hero ? nah he's not, especially from Uchiha perspective
Great video, although I would not expect too much out of Boruto. From what I have heard the authors still have not decided what exactly Borutos eye does, after like two years, which sounds like bad planning. Granted the Sharingan had a bunch of stuff added later on, but in general it felt like Kishimoto knew what the dojutsu he introduced were supposed to do.
On another topic I think Narutos Sexy Jutsu might have it's roots in Journey to the West. Sun Wukong uses clones and transformations a lot, including to transform into women. Admittedly I have not read the book itself, just could not make time for a 2000 page novel, but there is a channel named Overly Sarcastic Productions that does neat summary videos, I would recommend them.
I know that Kishimoto and Kodachi both work on Boruto which is why I have said authors in plural. I also would not really call portals a Rinnegan power since just Sasuke can use them and he does not exactly have a normal Rinnegan. Obitos Mangekyo Sharingan could also create portals.
While we have seen some of the Jougans abilities that does not mean that they have a good grip on it's power or a clear picture of it's full abilities.
The illustrator for Boruto said that the decision to do the flash-forward at the start was done pretty rashly, without them knowing exactly how they will get there
www.spirallingsphere.com/2017/11/boruto-mangas-illustrator-mikio-ikemoto-talks-about-the-big-flash-forward-event-more-interview/
There was also appearently an animator on the anime saying that that they had not really thought of what the Jougan does, although that was as of episode 15
ua-cam.com/video/nQoNwNCh__Q/v-deo.html
Honestly imo they have used dojutsu inflationary with the Tenseigan, Jogan, Ketsuryugan with haphazardly slapped together skill sets. I also do not like the mystery box approach with the Jougan.
Interesting Analysis! And Madara's plan reminds me of some code geass stuff..
Neon Genesis Evangelion popularised the idea of a blissful, yet static and ultimately wrong collective. It shows up in many variances over a lot of anime, including Naruto, Bleach, Code Geass, Gurren Lagann, Eureka Seven, Yu-Gi-Oh, Digimon and many more.