I get being upset that Mo and Ray aren't stateside, but there may be INS / visa reasons behind that. While the team still holds their rights, they are technically not under contract, and technically don't have a job in the USA. We've seen that happen before, especially with European players, so it's quite likely they are staying there on the advice of their agency. Despite not being here, I think it's a really good sign that they are training together! I'm happy to wait a week or two into camp if it secures a long-term deal for both of them.
Raymond not practicing with the team waiting for a contract could be detrimental to his development, he has to train with the best and have his mind in the game. You see how every star in the NFL that holds out loses skill dramatically, then the team pays for them anyway but the player already had in his mind " I'm gonna suck until I get paid" Just pay him his money, he's a long term players, no less than 8 years
I'd be shocked. It doesn't matter if you go from 8 to 8.9 if you miss a year of an 8 year deal. It's hard to imagine they're over one million apart in expectations. Then again... if you want that top 3 draft spot, that would help you get there. Lol
@@GrindLinePod I think some people overrate Seider. His brain shuts down when there's a scramble in front of the net. He is an all-time great at screening his own goalie.
Yes let’s trade Berggren for another mediocre small forward lmao ... much rather hang on to Berggren who’s been a dominate shl and ahl forward and who had much more offensive abilities. Can’t expect miracles from him when you shove him on a 4th line with garbage linemates Yzerman’s to blame for constantly delaying players . Agree with him on holding a stand with raymond and seider. This is a cap world, love seider but he’s not worth more money than makar and raymond shouldn’t get a penny over 8. Entice them with signing bonus’s. Yzerman will get them done
Maybe Yzerman should have "taken a stand" when negotiating contracts with Copp, Chiarot, Holl, and to a lesser extent, Compher. He overpaid those 4(and needlessly traded for Petry after just signing Holl, and now is when he is supposed to finally become a hard negotiator with the future stars of the team? Maybe he should learn some self restraint come July 1 instead and spend his cap dollars on the worthwhile players.
Steve pass is over this situation has piss me off bad he had over a year to sign his 2 best young we have. This off season was a joke he did nothing to make this team better. Maybe be time for Steve to move up and give 1 of the assistant Gm the chance
Wow. You guys are clueless. Go back and look at Stamkos contract negotiations with Yzerman in TB. Nothing new here. Save your overreactions for the Lions opener next year. Lol
@@GrindLinePod overreaction and superficial research. Yzerman walked Stamkos into FA in 2016 before he finally signed him. I love Lucas but he’s no Stamkos.
I get being upset that Mo and Ray aren't stateside, but there may be INS / visa reasons behind that. While the team still holds their rights, they are technically not under contract, and technically don't have a job in the USA. We've seen that happen before, especially with European players, so it's quite likely they are staying there on the advice of their agency.
Despite not being here, I think it's a really good sign that they are training together! I'm happy to wait a week or two into camp if it secures a long-term deal for both of them.
Raymond not practicing with the team waiting for a contract could be detrimental to his development, he has to train with the best and have his mind in the game. You see how every star in the NFL that holds out loses skill dramatically, then the team pays for them anyway but the player already had in his mind " I'm gonna suck until I get paid" Just pay him his money, he's a long term players, no less than 8 years
I'd be shocked. It doesn't matter if you go from 8 to 8.9 if you miss a year of an 8 year deal. It's hard to imagine they're over one million apart in expectations. Then again... if you want that top 3 draft spot, that would help you get there. Lol
If its really 8x8 and Yzerman isnt signing it idk what he is thinking. Raymond and Seider on 8x8's would be ideal.
Look who bothered to show up. Did he bring his lunch?
@@kenyoung3265 not this time 🤣
Swayman is American, there are no visa issues with him practicing in Boston w/o a contract
maybe its not dollars, but signing bonus amount that lockout proofs the contracts, and chris ilitch doesn't want it.
You give Raymond whatever he wants. You tell Seider to take it or leave it.
@sergioalpert66 you give them both what they want. Seider is a 23 year old top RD. Very hard to find.
@@GrindLinePod I think some people overrate Seider. His brain shuts down when there's a scramble in front of the net. He is an all-time great at screening his own goalie.
Yes let’s trade Berggren for another mediocre small forward lmao ... much rather hang on to Berggren who’s been a dominate shl and ahl forward and who had much more offensive abilities. Can’t expect miracles from him when you shove him on a 4th line with garbage linemates
Yzerman’s to blame for constantly delaying players . Agree with him on holding a stand with raymond and seider. This is a cap world, love seider but he’s not worth more money than makar and raymond shouldn’t get a penny over 8. Entice them with signing bonus’s. Yzerman will get them done
Will "Bad News" play Berggren? He is a career killer after all.
@@kenyoung3265 who the hell’s bad news
@socialmediag5485 Makar contract isn't recent. Cap goes up, contracts go up. Faber is the most recent comparable.
@@GrindLinePod seider is no where near the level of makar. Faber got 8 , seider shouldn’t get anything close to 9 . 8,5 is the absolute max
Maybe Yzerman should have "taken a stand" when negotiating contracts with Copp, Chiarot, Holl, and to a lesser extent, Compher. He overpaid those 4(and needlessly traded for Petry after just signing Holl, and now is when he is supposed to finally become a hard negotiator with the future stars of the team? Maybe he should learn some self restraint come July 1 instead and spend his cap dollars on the worthwhile players.
Steve pass is over this situation has piss me off bad he had over a year to sign his 2 best young we have. This off season was a joke he did nothing to make this team better. Maybe be time for Steve to move up and give 1 of the assistant Gm the chance
I'd say he improved the team but Mo and Raymond should be signed.
This aged super poorly. Probably worst episode you guys have done yet.
Because he signed 4 days later? We put out the episode and he didn't have a contract.
Wow. You guys are clueless. Go back and look at Stamkos contract negotiations with Yzerman in TB. Nothing new here.
Save your overreactions for the Lions opener next year. Lol
Stamkos signed his post rookie 5-year deal on July 19th, 2011. He signed his 8 year extension in Tampa on June 29th, 2016.
@@GrindLinePod overreaction and superficial research. Yzerman walked Stamkos into FA in 2016 before he finally signed him. I love Lucas but he’s no Stamkos.
@directionallycorrect2027 Stamkos never made it to free agency. Signed 2 days before. Situation is not the same and Raymond is a star in the making.
No way Danielson makes the team. It's SY we're talking about. Needs 5 years in GR
@@GrindLinePod “up to” not “into” stupid phone. The rest is correct