THANKS FOR WATCHING! We just created a new SGU playlist for all of our "Dial the Gate" clips with the cast and crew of Stargate Universe. Jump in here: ua-cam.com/video/VVHq889-Bdc/v-deo.html
A little off topic but i have a question... In the 100th episode when Jack is in the gate house and asks for all the tag numbers to the young lady in the one color uniform... I remember in a special feature video or something that RDA made a comment about her being someone close to him, special to him or something. And i can't seem to find it anymore. Do you know where i can find RDA's special features vid that talks about that or who she was to him? Because i remember the scene...just making sure it isn't one of those mandella effect things :)
Bring it back. It was great and well appreciated. And the difference in story technique was very good also. It allowed the mind to expand a bit beyond our own.
It seriously has to be brought back, you could get another 20 seasons just of them restoring destiny and gaining more knowledge of the ship, the technology and the ships mission, that's without the ship reaching its mission end, plus I would love to know what destiny does when it reaches its destination
I love and appreciate how Joseph Mallozi first with his blog, then also here, kept the Stargate fire alive for me and I'm sure many other fans by nonstop sharing unknown details from the series episode by episode, even from unproduced ideas, even replying to hypotheticals. We really needed that after such a great show beeing halted so suddenly for so long. So David, could you please thank him from the bottom of our hearts for this! He is very very much appreciated for every character, word and sentence he typed and shared in his free time with us. (Also loved him sharing his fine cuising experiences so lively, making me feel like I experienced it too!😄)
I loved the ship-based plots. It's definitely very different compared to earlier "low-tech" SG1, but I think there's room for both types of stories. Also the giant un-explored ship allowed for cool mysteries, in some ways similar to Atlantis.
SGUs "true" mission of destiny finding the cosmic pattern not getting resolved before the show ended is one of those bitter pills in TV land that make it harder to get into the long running arcs of scifi shows.
In all fairness, as much as I LOVE the show... they 'spoke' about the cosmic pattern Destiny was searching for, but never expanded beyond that vague detail. Rush would mention the cosmic pattern now and then and show a blurry image, but that was litreally it. I wish it was more tied into the episodic events of the narrative, along side their weekly adventures.
I needed one season to like the show. When it was canceled after 2 seasons, i was p***ed. In my opinion, the Stargate Franchise is the best Scyfi Franchise out there.
I loved loved SGU it was almost my favorite but I love all the SG's. But there was something special about SGU maybe it was the ship, that ship was spooky like it held all kinds of secrets. The show ended before they even discovered all of the ship. What a huge waste of a story line and the talent that the show had on it. I have watched it at least 5 times I just love it.
If SGU came out now, it would be a great success. I remember friends saying when it came out over a decade ago it was too dark for Stargate. Though I felt this somewhat back then, I still really liked it. I watch SGU almost daily now that it's on Pluto, and really appreciate it much more. It has great characters, that never really had a chance to fully develop. My hope is that whatever future shows are develop in the Stargate universe. Somehow they can bring Destiny home. Plus I want to find out what this structure is at the center of the universe.
I suppose if they found a way to make it without needing the background from SG-1 and SGA, to make it somehow a standalone story, I suppose it could have done ok, but it would still have needed a lot of work. I can sympathize with the writers, having to come up with the new stories they did, and wanting to make SGU a much more linear story, rather than underplot among episodes, was one of the biggest challenges they dealt with. But with them being under pressure to try and draw in an outside audience by making the story and character interactions very dissimilar to it's predecessors was what I feel was the ultimate downfall of the show. It very quickly stopped being a Stargate show, and became something else being forced to fit within the Stargate universe, no pun intended. SG-1 and SGA were both fun exciting stories that, even when things looked bad, even when they lost beloved characters, still made you eagerly await the resolution of the story. Every episode of SGU just felt forced. And believe me, I wanted it to be good. I love story, and I too wanted to see where Destiny was going, how they would make it home, and all the amazing things they would encounter along the way, but, and I hate to say it, they just weren't good enough to do it justice. Hence the fact that the show ended with a cliffhanger. I said it back when SGU came out, and I still feel this way, SGU is a politically woke soap opera forced into the Stargate mythos. It had incredible story potential, and the higher ups got in the way. And, to be fair, not all, but a fair chunk of the creative force from Stargate went on to make Amanda Tapping's Sanctuary after SGA ended, so there wasn't a lot of original talent backing the new show. I know I might seem to be talking in circles, and it might not all make sense (because coming out of my brain, not much does make sense), but to summarize, if you like SGU, I am happy for you. If like me, you don't, I understand you fully. Could SGU have succeeded, today or back then? Sure, but a lot of things would have to be done differently. At this point, my only hope is that if the new Stargate projects that are rumored out there are actually coming, that they properly reflect the fun, character driven stories that made SG-1 one of the most popular sci-fi series of all time. Oh, I know I mentioned how SGU ended in a cliffhanger, but there seem to be comic books that continue the story somewhat, though apparently none of the original creative crew were involved.
Great to hear guys of all the shows on TV Stargate’s were the best, everyone loves them we can’t get enough. I would love to see a new SG1 series I always wished I could tell someone please keep them going they’re so cool, great job.
Universe started out rough but was coming together when it had to shut down. I really would enjoy seeing that story to continue. Lots of great stories to consider.
I dont agree with that. Tell me one great actor of the cast beside Rush (Carlyle) that catched the interest of the audience. Just compare the cast with the cast of SG1 or Atlantis and you will see there is none sadly. The cast was just bad.
@@northernlights7635 and that's the kinda of hate and negative sg1 nostalgia that made a negative psyche about SGU and repelled new viewers and killed the show and franchise. No real fan would kill the franchise... a real fan would support it, support new and different shows... SGU was my favorite and others, some like episode exploration, others like the deep and tense serialized journey, etc. But I'm not going to hate on SG1 because I like SGA and SGU more... I love it and appreciate it all the same. It's not my favorite, but that doesnt matter, I focus on what I love, not what I hate. I hope you nostalgic people living in the past and the "glory days" dont kill the new SG. For me, the new one will not be as good as SGU... and if they make it more like SG1, I wouldn't like it... but I wont spew hate on it, I will watch it, love it, support it, and focus on that, Even if it's the least important of the shows I watch... I'm watching it... why would I hate on it? Why would I piss negative all over it and ruin other peoples enjoyment? Yes, Rush was the best character, he made the show... but I'll take 1 Rush over the entire sg1 cast. I found them okay, just like the rest of the SGU cast... only Rush stands out in all of SG casting as the great great... the rest are just okay and just good compared. But no one is that guy. He played rumplestiltskin.
I don't understand the hate for SGU at all. I thought the show was great and should have got at least 7 seasons. I liked the cast too. I have high confidence that I will watch and enjoy destiny. Even if it's cheesy or cheaply made. The only thing they can do to make me turn it off is political / cultural propaganda. ST went out of their way to lose me as a fan. Don't make the same mistake please.
Thank you for these great videos. Destiny is like being on a cruise ship with the stargate taking you on excursions (planets), only not the variety of food they have on cruise ships. lol Hope we get to see the rest and how it works out.
Great channel, I was a big fan of the original film, and also of the series. I also was a big fan of the Lexx in the 90s. It would be great to show how SG and the Lexx are linked, how the original film's parasite changed to the worm, or how 1997's episode of the Lexx titled 'Eating Pattern' with Rutger Hauer was connected to SG1. I'd love to know more about that Lexx connection.
SGU was my favorite, but I hated the communication stones. I'm watching a show set on a ship on the far side of the universe, I don't want to see Earth.
My idea for a fourth series is actually a ship based show set in Milky Way and potentially other established galaxies and maybe some new ones. But the concept is the Tau'ri build a ship with a gate like how Destiny is, cause Earth takes the stargate public. It would have craft and maybe even tanks and stuff it could send through the gate. Could even have it go into alternate timelines and stuff and serve as a base there as well. Lots of stuff you could do with it.
It had a lot of promise visually and what they could do with it but they spent a lot of the first season being depressing and moping about being far from home. I mean I get it, it sucks but we want to see adventure not whining. By the time they got to the second season the damage was largely done and while they were fixing it in season 2 we never got season 3 where we could see where it could have gone.
Although I loved the concept of a ship based spinoff, but if they fly one way then how can you revisit past locations as a writer? How would you move your characters to leave every newly introduced location behind all the time? So they introduced hostile environments and count back of time. It made the whole first season like a nonstop rush. They also crossed way too many galaxies in 2 seasons as they visited 2 or 3 galaxies in 2 years, but let's assume the Destiny was stuck in one place so long. Because it has flown for million of years so you can imagine the scale of its journey. I also liked the slightly controversial body swapping storytelling on Earth, but it is a bit unrealistic how the technology would work from 100+ galaxies away in real time. I hope they learn from the past mistakes and they can make an even better 4th show. Name the aliens and the planets, focus on and balance equally the exploration, characters and existing lore elements. Stargate show should be about the Stargate network too. Give us action, comedy, mythology or history based twists, first contacts, pure adventure. Don't be shy to write more complex crossover stories as the new and old viewers are intelligent to appreciate it. And please don't write out beloved characters (or races) just as a dramatic suspense of the week or demand of the studio. But I am sure Brad Wright (or MGM/Amazon) has to balance out many other unseen factors in showbusiness what about the audience hasn't got any idea.
That first season of non stop life or death rush... constantly. So intense and terrifying. I cant think of any other show or movie that does what SGU did. And then s2, which the plot get bigger, as they get more control over Destiny etc... I blame all the original SG fans that were hating on it for being too different, creating the negative energy or repulsion... rather then attraction to the show. Disrespectful to the series they like... like og Star Trek fans are doing to Discovery and Picard, we are lucky it doesn't matter and ST is pushing through anyway.
@@chuckfinley1877 I love the Stargate : Universe too. Just it was a marketing catastrophy that they cancelled Atlantis then they announced Universe one day later. I believe most of the fans were angry because of this sudden change. A S6 / U S1 should have run together. Anyway I hope the fourth Stargate will balance out how to please both of the audiences while it should find its own "voice" within the franchise.
@@chuckfinley1877 Please don't compare SGU to that new trek trash. It's pure cultural vandalism. I loved sg1 and sgu was amazing. I tried to get into atlantis but it never hooked me. Maybe that's why I never harbored resentment for universe.
@@guysmiley4830 it's not a show comparison, it's a fan comparison of what is happening right now. Nostalgic assholes hate on the newer shows, and create a toxic psyche environment that repels the psyche of new viewers. And current living example is Star Trek. I'm saying, dont do that to Star Gate. Real scifi fans can love and appreciate them all.. so if you cant talk about BSG, SG, ST... etc all with love and respect... maybe you should rethink yourself. Get rid of hate. Hate is no good. Didnt you learn that from these shows yet?
The cool thing about scifi is that a lot of the unbelievable that you explained can be easily explained in a fictional sense. For example, your argument about the ship getting through whole galaxies in one season is already addressed in the prior stargate series. Ships in Stargate traverse distances faster than in pretty much any other sci-fi series. It only takes the Daedalus a little over three weeks to traverse the distance between the milky way and pegasus galaxies. Assuming a season of SGU is one years time it's not that hard to believe the hyperdrive of the destiny is capable of traveling to a new galaxy annually. I loved SGU and I'm so sad that it didn't run it's full 5 season course. Brad wright has a fantastic ending all set up and we will never get to see it.
I loved SGU. I loved that they were really pushing the envelope in terms of TV sci Fi with the ship's original mission, but also with giving the viewer a glimpse at just how colossally vast the universe is, and how utterly lost in it they were. There is so much untapped potential in a show that's willing to really explore the far out reaches of possibility in our universe, and out of all the TV sci franchises, Stargate always felt like the one where the writers were interested in going there.
The main issue with universe was the rush character couldn’t stand him on the screen, O’Neal was likeable funny and enjoyable on screen that’s what made him so loved and as a consequence caused the show to go down hill after his departure
I wonder if the show had continued if they would have picked up some alien crewmembers. And i don't mean Lucien Alliance members, I mean something like an Ursa character, or more likely a human in prostectics.
Was hooked right from the start. I hadn't heard or watched anything about the series online through reviews and such, and didnt know the show had been cancelled until going into the final episode. I shed a tear...... Or loads when the stasis pods were being filled and that scored played in the background. Way ahead of its time, and cut way too short. The cherry on the stargate cake in my view.
Bro this is crazy I just got into stargate after my little cousin kept telling me to watch it because he liked it so I watched the first movie and I was just immediately interested in it and I just started to watch sg 1 and it’s great so far but I can’t believe they are talking about doing a new show if they do this then I got a lot of catching up to do
True, people have been looking back at it with rose tinted glasses, claiming it was being boycotted by people who were bitter about Atlantis being cancelled to make way for it. I watched every episode hoping it would improve, it improved marginally near the end, there wasn't a single likeable character in it
@@tigerbread78 A (very) few interesting ones but no, not at all likeable. And it was all so soapy…The young military guy that just bangs everything rather than performing his duties like a professional. The little princess that defines herself by getting banged by him. The older military guy who is obsessed with who might be banging his ex…and yet banged the doc behind her back. The politician who basically rapes whoever’s body she’s in to bang her girlfriend because I guess that’s ok if there’s no man involved. The incel who can’t catch a break…finally gets a hottie (and interesting character) to jump him just for her to be killed off immediately…. And the constant bickering and backstabbing and withheld information…over and over and over… But I loved the Voyager / Lost in Space potential of new explorations. The theological questions they were broaching. The survival slant rather than pure curiosity. The timed limits of the stops as a plot device. And definitely the little floating probes vs those ridiculous massive ones
I've started to rewatch it after almost a decade, so i forgot what originally happened except it got only two seasons. I'm actually enjoying it now but knowing it leaves on a cliffhanger with no resolution kinda makes me upset.
@@CM-wv8ns Lol - i have never watched the last episode. I do that a lot for cancelled series actually. Because yeah...thats rough. BUT i did hear there was a small comic run that wrapped SGU up a few years ago.
Sg-1 and Atlantis are my favorite shows, and while SGU was a good show, I always had a few things that bugged me about it. If the Ancients were smart enough to make the stargates I would think that they could come up with an efficient lighting system on the ship. If you are following behind a ship that is assembling stargates that ship would probably be, at least a little more often, setting gates down on more than one planet in a system. That would allow for teams to explore more planets for supplies, still with the time window of course. I know multiple planets in a galaxy could be jumped to, to get back to a leaving ship but, for a show with Stargate in the name I guess I wanted more stargate usage and not B.S.G. with Stargate elements. (I couldn't get in to B.S.G, a show about politics in space on a dark ship isn't my cup of tea.) I liked the little things like, using the kinos in place of the malps, seeing how the ship would stop and refuel, even the almost steampunk version of ancient tech, and things like how Rush and Eli over time were figuring out how things on the ship worked. Personal preference I guess, is that I like sci-fi more for the exploration and cool tech ideas more than politics in space.
Remember, it was all the og SG fan hate that killed SGU... if you love the franchise, dont kill its successors. SGU is not SGA is not SG1 People need to learn to appreciate and respect new and different... we can bitch and nitpick everything... we could nitpick Sg1 and SgA all day... But what do you want, a living show with love and positive energy for growth, or negative energy that repels new viewers and kills the show? Keep that in mind when the new show comes out, and spread the idea when og sg1 fans spew hate because it's not like the original their nostalgia grabs on it.
What makes you think half the lights just don't work after a million plus years of unmanned flight? Both SG1 and SGA had a smattering of politics, just not in every episode or dividing the main cast for long. I will forever suspect the biggest impediment for a lot of fans unable to get into SGU was the relative lack of carryover in the main cast making them feel invested. The first half of the SGA pilot alone had more SG1 regulars than both entire seasons of SGU got counting guest spots. Even the SG1 pilot had as many as seven characters from the Roland Emmerich film including at least two played by the same actors. In neither case was there half as much of a departure from the tone and formula of what preceded it. If some of the main cast, even if just the characters and subsequently recast had been introduced as background characters in the other shows I think it wouldn't have alienated nearly as many fans.
The communication stones in SGU made me so angry it’s like the crew of the Destiny is at least semi-lost in space with a starships that they largely don’t understand with the only person that does understand being of questionable motives at best But wait we have a means of direct communication with earth and what do they do with the communication stones, maybe something smart like swap with Sam and McKay and have the two of them unlock and write like a whole manual to the Destiny in a day or two? No! They go and have stupid family drama drops, fights, and affairs in other peoples bodies!! Honestly Jack spending SIX YEARS watching the memories of a barber made more sense than how the communication stones were used in SGU Utter nonsense!
I think the problem with the sg-u series is that it fails to accept it's own "premise". The star trek transporter and then later on the stargate itself was a plot device. This plot device was designed to allow each week to transport the audience to a totally alien location and as such the writing would take on a monster of the week style. Destiny did not have this. Destiny was a bit more like lost. Fans of campy sci-fi weren't the same people who were fans of the dramas of the late 00s. Now how does ds9 get by? Ds9 doesn't travel to an exciting new plot point each week. However, if you're going to set a sci-fi show in a single location.... a way station that many alien vessels dock at along their journey is pretty ideal. It's why babylon5 is basically the "same show" (Even so much so that babylon5's pitch man threatened paramount but then realized he was being foolish). The thing is though, waystation in space is such a basic concept that just about everyone everywhere wanted to see it. Universe ended up falling in between a lot of successful formulas. It failed to take audiences to a new planet every week the way star trek or sg-1 did. It failed to emulate the only previous single set sci-fi shows of note. Then it also failed as a drama. I think one of the problems with a sci-fi drama is that the sets are just too expensive. This whole issue of too expensive is why star trek the original series first introduced the transporter. Shuttlecraft were too expensive for every episode. I agree though, right when destiny ended? It was finally coming into it's own, getting good. I feel like it stopped trying to half-way emulate a dozen influences and finally knew how to be it's own show, and it improved a lot. Right before it went off the air forever :(
It was way too realistic, as in everyone was only barely competent, they all seemed petty and disorganised. And Eli, the only super-genius who could solve the puzzle that no one else could in the game, never impressed me much. I'm pretty sure he failed to repair the stasis pod and died between galaxies
@@tigerbread78 I liked the darker tone, but not the method of how they got there. The way the military leadership was so undisciplined…that’s not very realistic. Their job wasn’t to get people home, it was to protect the people and the ship. But immediately they get some messiah complex and go full fascist? And how only one guy was curious? Everyone else…who would never have been on that ship in the first place unless they were fully aware and ok with the possibility of gate travel going wrong…just whining to get home at all costs rather than embrace the moment, even for a little while? It wasn’t just a job posting to go through the gate - it was a top secret reward for the best in class scientists and military. So I don’t think that was very realistic. And the lying and backstabbing and fighting constantly between people you now NEED to work with and depend on for everyone’s survival…come on. That was way too stupid for supposedly smart people. The darkness should have been mostly environmental and external but they made it mostly interpersonal and internal.
I always felt that they missed an opportunity for more ships after Atlantis made it back to earth. Hear me out. The Odyssey had the Asgard Energy/Matter Converter aka Replicator. Because of the The Ark of Truth we know that the converter can create complex machines. After all, it made a replicator in about an hour or two. Using the converter to create an industrial version of itself, it could be installed into one of the piers on Atlantis (which has three ZPMs), and could possibly turn out a 304 a month. If there were two, one could make 302s while the other would make the 304s.
Yes...but matter has to come from somewhere so where would the matter to create come from? I like your idea...but that is a lot of shit to re-sequence into usable matter. ;)
They talk about being real consequences if the ship moves on and leaves people stranded, but when it happens at the end of "Lost" it's just miraculously resolved offscreen in the next episode.
Everything about SGU was an awesome change up. Not that I wanted the other stuff different but you guys did such a good job with the emotional feeling of the show… the music.. 🤤 ugh I LOVE the music you guys chose for SGU. It really tied the feeling of the ship together.
Thank you for saying what you said about Discovery...your frustration is my frustration...4 season in and we bearly know the bridge crew...where are their arcs? It just being the Burnham show has gotten old.
We're so lucky to have had one of the SGU shows, let alone multiple shows - *all* of which were strong and interesting with varied, quality casts , whilst remaining coherent 🤯 Thank you for not listening to 'crazy talk' Mr Malozzi 🙏👊
its so interesting that so many people liked SGU to me. Cause i cant stand the show, i cant stand how its trying to be so much dark drama with civilians and random stories of people you never heard before with premise that they are stuck on some ship in far far universe, like it steeemed so much away from what SG was and wasnt even really ship show. Also the slow build up in first 3 episodes really killed it. Plus back when it was released it would be really weird for new people to watch it as their first show since you need to know so much from SG1 and SGA to be aware of whats happening.
I liked Universe. I'm currently watching Atlantis and it's sad that Syfy only had it 5 seasons! Also after watching as much of sgc, Atlantis, universe..I've come to say, the Ancients we're assholes started the wraith, replicators and just an all out weird bunch of beings! Love it tho! No wonder the Ori wanted to kill them off 😂
This series is beloved by millions. All they need to do is follow its own trend. Make another race the villains, and make sure it is not woke. So many tv series now are failing, because they can't help but spread "the message".
SG1 and Atlantis were basically the best elements of Star Trek without a ship so it stands reason to have one. As long as the new show, like the previous shows, portrays humanity in a positive and pioneering manner and not cynical and “woke” like current year crap, l’ll be happy. The Orville returns next month. I’d love more tv like that.
Yes I agree! And whilst watching Atlantis through again the challenges of what dictates humanity, to what end are we willing to save ourselves? The woke shit would only subract from story quality.
I hope they're listening. I hope they've paid attention to the relative failure of new trek. I'm not going to watch a show just to get lectured, shamed and disparaged. I'm fine with having a LGB character but don't shove the message down our throats and don't pretend like 1/3 of all people are LGBT. I will turn the show right the fk off and never give it a second chance just like I did with new trek. Even a sci fi show needs to be believable.
Now that you mention it, that was another great thing about SGU that I don't think the audience really appreciated. The crew of Destiny often visited planets that *weren't* the 'PSG - LooksALotLikeCanada' worlds in the other shows. Even thought the Destiny itself was often choosing planets that had some material/food/resource the crew needed, now that I think about it those worlds were often deserts or frozen wastes or just death-traps in some other way. And I don't think people really appreciated how much extra money and effort that took. And regarding the Destiny 'choosing' worlds. The whole thing of the Destiny having a powerful central-computer with unknown capabilities that was possibly sentient in it's own right and could absorb or store the consciousness of humans - this was something that wasn't really explored as much as it might have been, and I was looking forward to learning more and maybe talking to some of the 'minds' that it 'saved'. As I remember Rush melded with the version of Destiny that was about to be destroyed - I wonder what he found?
Honestly, when I was a kid I envisioned Atlantis or Destiny as my life as an adult, discovering old tech, old buildings/cities, that was my fantasy of what I'd like to do, literally dreamed about it. I was a skeptic of SGU but it might be my favorite Stargate product now.
I liked the Ship Show from Stargate idea. IMHO it would have been received better if it had been the story of a Human made ship and more hopeful outlook. Idk I LIKED SGU... but those were elements of the og I really missed.
I loved Universe but just wish it had the humor and funny quirks of SG1 and Atlantis. It was too serious all the time and dramatic much like a soap opera. If they had added more of the original humor and fun it would've been much better but do I love the concept of them being on the ship and enjoyed much of the seriousness and drama. Just wish they could've lightened it up by adding in the fun and drama of the original 2 series that made Stargate so great (they were magic). Who knows... maybe they still will. Fingers crossed that Amazon will surprise us and somehow bring it all back even greater.
SGU was way ahead of its time. I would have killed to get more episodes. To this day after more than 10 years I still want to see where destiny went. I’ll never lose hope that we will see that ship again. And in my opinion there is no way a new Stargate show gets around destiny. I mean this story is nothing you take care of by a Charakter saying: Yup, the crew is fine….
The only thing about Universe that I found irritating is, who was the leader? Everyone was or None were, in every episode. We know who was supposed to be, but no character agreed with another.. So, we couldn't get behind a character and stay with them.. When or if they ever wake, straighten this out.
I personally never liked SGU. It was a little too young adult novel for me. The funny thing, was that I was in the right age range for that at the time SGU was running.
I just got done rewatching SGU, and I think part of the reason it failed is it wasn't clear what the main threat was.
Look at SG1. First episode, it's established who the Goa'uld are, their footsoldiers the Jaffa, and how the symbiotes work.
Not look at Atlantis. First episode, they show us the Wraith.
But what's the conflict in SGU? The Lucian Alliance attacked in the first episode, and while they were mentioned here and there it didn't become an issue again until the season 1 finale. The blue aliens weren't really introduced until partway through the first season, and they were only in a handful of episodes across two seasons. The drones didn't come into play until season 2.
Is this series going to be different, more of a "character vs environment" story? The ship is very old and things are going to break down, and the crew often struggles to get what they need to keep it running. But how many interesting stories can you tell that revolve around "we need to get something from this planet to fix the ship"? Once they had control of the ship's bridge, they could get around the "ticking clock" problem if they really needed to.
It seems like one major source of conflict the writers were going for was among different factions of the crew themselves. That can make a really compelling story, but it feels like they didn't lean into it enough. There weren't enough consequences. Young doesn't trust Rush (for good reason) and tries to abandon him on a planet. Okay, but a few episodes later Rush gets back onboard anyway. Part of the crew tries to seize control of the ship. A few episodes later, they're petty much all friends again.
Universe failed because it was mimicking the BSG “adult prestige television” formula complete with dark cinematography, unlikable cast,and shaky cam. It was a Stargate show that seemed to be ashamed of being a Stargate show. And if a show won’t embrace its premise and universe, why should I embrace it?
@@christopherjones5446 I think it’s fine to tell a different kind of story in the same universe, you just have to pick a direction and stick to it. I would have loved a BSG-like adult drama in the Stargate setting. But it’s like the writers couldn’t decide and so they just threw in a little bit of everything instead of doing one thing really well.
@@John73John Ah, that word “different” that pops up from defenders of Universe. You know, there was already an adult BSG type series out there: NU-BSG. If the creators want to do something different, they should create a new franchise and use their dark sensibilities in that. When you go to a sushi bar, do you expect a 72 Oz porterhouse steak? It’s “different” right? When it comes to certain things, there are expectations to be met. And recent years have shown that we all know what happens when some wunderkind steps in and tries to “subvert expectations” for its own sake.
@@christopherjones5446 ok, settle down. I didn’t come here to fight. I’m not defending SGU. Far from it. I think the premise had a lot of potential for a good show, but as I’ve said there were major problems with how they handled it. You mentioned characters before - I hear a lot of people say they don’t like the SGU crew. That’s a fair point, and I tend to agree. To me, they often don’t seem very genuine, and I think part of it is because they’re being jerked around by a plot that can’t decide which way to go. They were prepared to use lethal force against each other in “Divided”, and afterward they all just go back to working together? Why, because the plot said so? That kind of thing should have major consequences down the line. Just saying “a few weeks have passed, they talked about it off-screen” is lazy writing. Again, nothing inherently wrong with “different”. I don’t walk into Outback Steakhouse thinking I’m going to get sushi, but I do expect them to have a menu with more than just 1 cut of meat on it. Star Trek TNG, DS9, and Voyager were all pretty different, and different from TOS, and they were great shows. Regarding “recent years”, which specific franchises you’re referring to?
@@christopherjones5446 I think the real threat in SGU was the unknown, cold, unforgiving universe. These unlucky, thrown together people were constantly in danger not because of a certain bad guy, but because they werent supposed to be there anyway.
I think it was unfortunate, but the communication stones were what in my mind broke the show. Yes, it's good to have a way to communicate with SGC and possibly get the latest news of "SG-1" and "SGA" half as fan service, half for the story (same universe, hope u know what I mean), but it became too much of a focus, especially the interaction on earth 🌎 than the the place the series should stand for, the ship Destiny. When I rewatch the show, I always skip most of the scenes that are not located on the ship or the many world's they visit on their short breaks. It's sad to say but these scenes are just boring and uninteresting to me. I hope that aspect will get better when SGU ever gets a new season. 🙏
I believe SGU was the best SG. I prefer the serialization, the intense character flaw driven infighting, the episode life or death tension and all the dynamical problems they faced. I dont care for purely episodic scifi. Thanks for all these interviews, inside the minds of.❤❤❤❤
I loved SGU. It could have been the best if it had more seasons but I have to give SG1 the crown just for the fact it went 11 seasons and had SO many story arcs. Loved the actors too.
Since the networks seem to want to change everything they touch into clones of Game of Thrones (like they've done to Wheel of Time and Rings of Nonsense) they should maybe try it in space? SGU was by far the most 'adult' and gritty Startgate series, and the only one to have real sexual issues or kill relatively major characters if the plot demanded it. Rush's ruthlessness in pursuit of his dream, and the whole twisted situation with Telford made Stargate Universe ripe for creating a show where the line between Good and Evil is extremely fuzzy and the biggest threats can be other Terrans/Tau Ri instead of the cool blue aliens.
1:30 The ship show was not classic scifi, imho. Classic scifi works on struggles in society and struggles external to society. Universe had the conflict internal to the team. It was your typical "man vs himself" first and foremost. So it was Stargate doing a drama. That deviation left a lot of us disappointed. Not to mention, we have drama everywhere in society. Why would want _more_ of it, and why would you want to compete with realty television with a different set?
Hhm... I enjoyed Universe while watching it, but it's the only Stargate show I've only ever watched once. And I think it was mostly because it was ship based and it felt a bit Star Trek-y in a way. To me it had less of the Stargate charm, but that's really just personal opinion... in my mind I've been calling it 'Starship Destiny' rather than Stargate Universe.
SGU, the beginning of the modern plague of "dark" sci-fi shows, sadly. I like some of the premises of the show but the tone and frankly the acting was abysmal and, IMHO, rightly short-lived.
I love this ship, wish it was real..... it would be one hell of a ride I tell ya, I love how it chases a sun to recharge its batts or ZPM's or whot ever the fk it has hahahahaha.
To me Stargate Universe failed in that by making it all about the ship and relegating the Stargate to a version of the transporter from Star Trek it lost the core of Stargate. Stargate was about exploration through the Stagate but 90% of the time they weren't exploring for the sake of exploring it was to find what the ship stopped at that planet to get an item it needed to repair itself.
@@guysmiley4830 Funny as SG1 was only on for 10 seasons with two movies. Stargate Universe should have been titled something like 'Universe or Destiny: A Stargate Story/Adventure'.
their was far too much character exploration in universe (this wouldnt be so bad if it was within story but it always meant we had to go back to earth and have what felt like 50% of the first season on earth with characters in the bodies of other people), thats why it got cancelled. the 2nd season was alot better but them communication stones still ruined every episode they got used to communicate with earth. we dont watch stargate to see peoples relationships back on earth when they are on a starship on the other side of the universe...
I'm a big Stargate fan, but honestly I found Universe to be meandering and miserable, and I found the count-down premise to be overdone and tiresome. I never finished watching that series. A shame.
They TRIED that. It was AWFUL. It was a very DARK "Lost in Space" with no stargate and no way home. Everyone on the ship fought each other. Supplies were running out. Sporadic communications home sort of but WEIRD like mind reading meets body snatcher. I CANNOT be bothered to go there again.
It still has to have a Stargate. I think it should be back to basics not SGU which was the most recent and darkest Stargate. Follow the example of Star Trek Strange New Worlds. We want escapism, humor and good story writing not dark dribble.
I don't think it work . It would be more startreky ish. The war of the worlds series was iffy but if the powers that but get their brains together it could work. But, the people behind the money aren't interested
Stargate Universe was not good, so much of it made zero sense and half the crew shouldn't have passed a basic security clearance, let alone something so prized as the stargate program. Dr Rush and Eli were the only 2 likeable characters with the amazing Robert Carlyle single handedly dragging the show on. What a waste of the 9th chevron. Whoever came up with that should never be allowed near the Stargate franchise again.
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A little off topic but i have a question...
In the 100th episode when Jack is in the gate house and asks for all the tag numbers to the young lady in the one color uniform...
I remember in a special feature video or something that RDA made a comment about her being someone close to him, special to him or something.
And i can't seem to find it anymore.
Do you know where i can find RDA's special features vid that talks about that or who she was to him?
Because i remember the scene...just making sure it isn't one of those mandella effect things :)
@@heathb4319 I don't remember it, but I plan to go through a bunch of the bonus features this year and will keep a lookout for it!
Bring it back. It was great and well appreciated. And the difference in story technique was very good also. It allowed the mind to expand a bit beyond our own.
It was good SF, but dark and gritty and missing the humor that made SG beloved.
it will never come back because fanboys are not main income for the studio. deal with it
@@theartemisgland I think Elon should help it. It would be a good mix.
I still want to know what the signal before the big bang was. The show was amazing. It was one of the hardest hitting cancellations .
@@noneofyourbussines6362 maybe a black hole collapse in another universe was our starter.
It seriously has to be brought back, you could get another 20 seasons just of them restoring destiny and gaining more knowledge of the ship, the technology and the ships mission, that's without the ship reaching its mission end, plus I would love to know what destiny does when it reaches its destination
I love and appreciate how Joseph Mallozi first with his blog, then also here, kept the Stargate fire alive for me and I'm sure many other fans by nonstop sharing unknown details from the series episode by episode, even from unproduced ideas, even replying to hypotheticals. We really needed that after such a great show beeing halted so suddenly for so long.
So David, could you please thank him from the bottom of our hearts for this! He is very very much appreciated for every character, word and sentence he typed and shared in his free time with us.
(Also loved him sharing his fine cuising experiences so lively, making me feel like I experienced it too!😄)
I loved the ship-based plots. It's definitely very different compared to earlier "low-tech" SG1, but I think there's room for both types of stories. Also the giant un-explored ship allowed for cool mysteries, in some ways similar to Atlantis.
SGUs "true" mission of destiny finding the cosmic pattern not getting resolved before the show ended is one of those bitter pills in TV land that make it harder to get into the long running arcs of scifi shows.
In all fairness, as much as I LOVE the show... they 'spoke' about the cosmic pattern Destiny was searching for, but never expanded beyond that vague detail. Rush would mention the cosmic pattern now and then and show a blurry image, but that was litreally it. I wish it was more tied into the episodic events of the narrative, along side their weekly adventures.
SGU was my favorite series, wish they could continue the series with same cast.
I needed one season to like the show.
When it was canceled after 2 seasons, i was p***ed.
In my opinion, the Stargate Franchise is the best Scyfi Franchise out there.
Being both a massive BSG and SG fan, SGU hit the right spots for me. I really miss the show and the franchise.
I loved loved SGU it was almost my favorite but I love all the SG's. But there was something special about SGU maybe it was the ship, that ship was spooky like it held all kinds of secrets. The show ended before they even discovered all of the ship. What a huge waste of a story line and the talent that the show had on it. I have watched it at least 5 times I just love it.
If SGU came out now, it would be a great success. I remember friends saying when it came out over a decade ago it was too dark for Stargate. Though I felt this somewhat back then, I still really liked it.
I watch SGU almost daily now that it's on Pluto, and really appreciate it much more. It has great characters, that never really had a chance to fully develop.
My hope is that whatever future shows are develop in the Stargate universe. Somehow they can bring Destiny home. Plus I want to find out what this structure is at the center of the universe.
I suppose if they found a way to make it without needing the background from SG-1 and SGA, to make it somehow a standalone story, I suppose it could have done ok, but it would still have needed a lot of work. I can sympathize with the writers, having to come up with the new stories they did, and wanting to make SGU a much more linear story, rather than underplot among episodes, was one of the biggest challenges they dealt with. But with them being under pressure to try and draw in an outside audience by making the story and character interactions very dissimilar to it's predecessors was what I feel was the ultimate downfall of the show. It very quickly stopped being a Stargate show, and became something else being forced to fit within the Stargate universe, no pun intended. SG-1 and SGA were both fun exciting stories that, even when things looked bad, even when they lost beloved characters, still made you eagerly await the resolution of the story. Every episode of SGU just felt forced. And believe me, I wanted it to be good. I love story, and I too wanted to see where Destiny was going, how they would make it home, and all the amazing things they would encounter along the way, but, and I hate to say it, they just weren't good enough to do it justice. Hence the fact that the show ended with a cliffhanger. I said it back when SGU came out, and I still feel this way, SGU is a politically woke soap opera forced into the Stargate mythos. It had incredible story potential, and the higher ups got in the way. And, to be fair, not all, but a fair chunk of the creative force from Stargate went on to make Amanda Tapping's Sanctuary after SGA ended, so there wasn't a lot of original talent backing the new show.
I know I might seem to be talking in circles, and it might not all make sense (because coming out of my brain, not much does make sense), but to summarize, if you like SGU, I am happy for you. If like me, you don't, I understand you fully. Could SGU have succeeded, today or back then? Sure, but a lot of things would have to be done differently. At this point, my only hope is that if the new Stargate projects that are rumored out there are actually coming, that they properly reflect the fun, character driven stories that made SG-1 one of the most popular sci-fi series of all time.
Oh, I know I mentioned how SGU ended in a cliffhanger, but there seem to be comic books that continue the story somewhat, though apparently none of the original creative crew were involved.
Great to hear guys of all the shows on TV Stargate’s were the best, everyone loves them we can’t get enough. I would love to see a new SG1 series I always wished I could tell someone please keep them going they’re so cool, great job.
Love SG1, SGA, SGU
Especially SGA, it's perfect balance between surface mission story vs ship based story
Universe started out rough but was coming together when it had to shut down. I really would enjoy seeing that story to continue. Lots of great stories to consider.
Can’t agree more that the cast was phenomenal right from the beginning. Wished there was more of this show.
I dont agree with that. Tell me one great actor of the cast beside Rush (Carlyle) that catched the interest of the audience. Just compare the cast with the cast of SG1 or Atlantis and you will see there is none sadly. The cast was just bad.
@@northernlights7635 Thats just your opinion
@@northernlights7635 and that's the kinda of hate and negative sg1 nostalgia that made a negative psyche about SGU and repelled new viewers and killed the show and franchise.
No real fan would kill the franchise... a real fan would support it, support new and different shows...
SGU was my favorite and others, some like episode exploration, others like the deep and tense serialized journey, etc.
But I'm not going to hate on SG1 because I like SGA and SGU more... I love it and appreciate it all the same. It's not my favorite, but that doesnt matter, I focus on what I love, not what I hate.
I hope you nostalgic people living in the past and the "glory days" dont kill the new SG.
For me, the new one will not be as good as SGU... and if they make it more like SG1, I wouldn't like it... but I wont spew hate on it, I will watch it, love it, support it, and focus on that,
Even if it's the least important of the shows I watch... I'm watching it... why would I hate on it? Why would I piss negative all over it and ruin other peoples enjoyment?
Yes, Rush was the best character, he made the show... but I'll take 1 Rush over the entire sg1 cast. I found them okay, just like the rest of the SGU cast... only Rush stands out in all of SG casting as the great great... the rest are just okay and just good compared.
But no one is that guy. He played rumplestiltskin.
I don't understand the hate for SGU at all. I thought the show was great and should have got at least 7 seasons. I liked the cast too. I have high confidence that I will watch and enjoy destiny. Even if it's cheesy or cheaply made. The only thing they can do to make me turn it off is political / cultural propaganda. ST went out of their way to lose me as a fan. Don't make the same mistake please.
Great show, it's time to bring it back and wake them up.
Heck, even giving it the Firefly treatment would be great. A 2-ish hour movie to tie the story up.
Great Interview! Thanks
Thank you for these great videos. Destiny is like being on a cruise ship with the stargate taking you on excursions (planets), only not the variety of food they have on cruise ships. lol Hope we get to see the rest and how it works out.
Great channel, I was a big fan of the original film, and also of the series. I also was a big fan of the Lexx in the 90s. It would be great to show how SG and the Lexx are linked, how the original film's parasite changed to the worm, or how 1997's episode of the Lexx titled 'Eating Pattern' with Rutger Hauer was connected to SG1. I'd love to know more about that Lexx connection.
Rewatching the series, miss it quite a bit
SGU was my favorite, but I hated the communication stones. I'm watching a show set on a ship on the far side of the universe, I don't want to see Earth.
My idea for a fourth series is actually a ship based show set in Milky Way and potentially other established galaxies and maybe some new ones. But the concept is the Tau'ri build a ship with a gate like how Destiny is, cause Earth takes the stargate public. It would have craft and maybe even tanks and stuff it could send through the gate. Could even have it go into alternate timelines and stuff and serve as a base there as well. Lots of stuff you could do with it.
I think Universe had good potential but they tryed to make it too similar to BSG
TBH, I like SGU better than BSG...
Universe 🌌 was friking awesome
It had a lot of promise visually and what they could do with it but they spent a lot of the first season being depressing and moping about being far from home. I mean I get it, it sucks but we want to see adventure not whining. By the time they got to the second season the damage was largely done and while they were fixing it in season 2 we never got season 3 where we could see where it could have gone.
Although I loved the concept of a ship based spinoff, but if they fly one way then how can you revisit past locations as a writer? How would you move your characters to leave every newly introduced location behind all the time? So they introduced hostile environments and count back of time. It made the whole first season like a nonstop rush.
They also crossed way too many galaxies in 2 seasons as they visited 2 or 3 galaxies in 2 years, but let's assume the Destiny was stuck in one place so long. Because it has flown for million of years so you can imagine the scale of its journey.
I also liked the slightly controversial body swapping storytelling on Earth, but it is a bit unrealistic how the technology would work from 100+ galaxies away in real time.
I hope they learn from the past mistakes and they can make an even better 4th show. Name the aliens and the planets, focus on and balance equally the exploration, characters and existing lore elements. Stargate show should be about the Stargate network too. Give us action, comedy, mythology or history based twists, first contacts, pure adventure. Don't be shy to write more complex crossover stories as the new and old viewers are intelligent to appreciate it. And please don't write out beloved characters (or races) just as a dramatic suspense of the week or demand of the studio. But I am sure Brad Wright (or MGM/Amazon) has to balance out many other unseen factors in showbusiness what about the audience hasn't got any idea.
That first season of non stop life or death rush... constantly. So intense and terrifying. I cant think of any other show or movie that does what SGU did.
And then s2, which the plot get bigger, as they get more control over Destiny etc...
I blame all the original SG fans that were hating on it for being too different, creating the negative energy or repulsion... rather then attraction to the show.
Disrespectful to the series they like... like og Star Trek fans are doing to Discovery and Picard, we are lucky it doesn't matter and ST is pushing through anyway.
@@chuckfinley1877 I love the Stargate : Universe too. Just it was a marketing catastrophy that they cancelled Atlantis then they announced Universe one day later. I believe most of the fans were angry because of this sudden change. A S6 / U S1 should have run together. Anyway I hope the fourth Stargate will balance out how to please both of the audiences while it should find its own "voice" within the franchise.
@@chuckfinley1877 Please don't compare SGU to that new trek trash. It's pure cultural vandalism. I loved sg1 and sgu was amazing. I tried to get into atlantis but it never hooked me. Maybe that's why I never harbored resentment for universe.
@@guysmiley4830 it's not a show comparison, it's a fan comparison of what is happening right now.
Nostalgic assholes hate on the newer shows, and create a toxic psyche environment that repels the psyche of new viewers. And current living example is Star Trek.
I'm saying, dont do that to Star Gate.
Real scifi fans can love and appreciate them all.. so if you cant talk about BSG, SG, ST... etc all with love and respect... maybe you should rethink yourself.
Get rid of hate. Hate is no good. Didnt you learn that from these shows yet?
The cool thing about scifi is that a lot of the unbelievable that you explained can be easily explained in a fictional sense. For example, your argument about the ship getting through whole galaxies in one season is already addressed in the prior stargate series. Ships in Stargate traverse distances faster than in pretty much any other sci-fi series. It only takes the Daedalus a little over three weeks to traverse the distance between the milky way and pegasus galaxies. Assuming a season of SGU is one years time it's not that hard to believe the hyperdrive of the destiny is capable of traveling to a new galaxy annually.
I loved SGU and I'm so sad that it didn't run it's full 5 season course. Brad wright has a fantastic ending all set up and we will never get to see it.
I loved SGU. I loved that they were really pushing the envelope in terms of TV sci Fi with the ship's original mission, but also with giving the viewer a glimpse at just how colossally vast the universe is, and how utterly lost in it they were. There is so much untapped potential in a show that's willing to really explore the far out reaches of possibility in our universe, and out of all the TV sci franchises, Stargate always felt like the one where the writers were interested in going there.
The main issue with universe was the rush character couldn’t stand him on the screen, O’Neal was likeable funny and enjoyable on screen that’s what made him so loved and as a consequence caused the show to go down hill after his departure
Agreed. Absolutely couldn't get past him, either as a character or as an actor.
I was willing to give Universe a go but it was too dark for me. Like Andromeda in the gravel pit.
I was watching this while being somewhat distracted. It took me a while to realize they were saying "ship show".
The brought the stones back at the end of Atlantis to remind people about them before they were to be used extensively in Universe.
I wonder if the show had continued if they would have picked up some alien crewmembers. And i don't mean Lucien Alliance members, I mean something like an Ursa character, or more likely a human in prostectics.
SGU suffered a bit from what I call "Doctor Smith Syndrome."
Cool... waiting for a new series to pop thru the gate.. lol, at this rate we may be using a real Gate,,,
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UNIVERSE is cloed to what I imagined ATLANTIS was going to be
I liked Universe. Nicholas Rush's character got me continuing watching as I was about to give up after the first few episodes
Was hooked right from the start.
I hadn't heard or watched anything about the series online through reviews and such, and didnt know the show had been cancelled until going into the final episode. I shed a tear...... Or loads when the stasis pods were being filled and that scored played in the background. Way ahead of its time, and cut way too short. The cherry on the stargate cake in my view.
Bro this is crazy I just got into stargate after my little cousin kept telling me to watch it because he liked it so I watched the first movie and I was just immediately interested in it and I just started to watch sg 1 and it’s great so far but I can’t believe they are talking about doing a new show if they do this then I got a lot of catching up to do
What season of SG1 are you up to?
The characters were written so poorly. But the general story and it’s potential we’re so good
True, people have been looking back at it with rose tinted glasses, claiming it was being boycotted by people who were bitter about Atlantis being cancelled to make way for it. I watched every episode hoping it would improve, it improved marginally near the end, there wasn't a single likeable character in it
@@tigerbread78 A (very) few interesting ones but no, not at all likeable. And it was all so soapy…The young military guy that just bangs everything rather than performing his duties like a professional. The little princess that defines herself by getting banged by him. The older military guy who is obsessed with who might be banging his ex…and yet banged the doc behind her back. The politician who basically rapes whoever’s body she’s in to bang her girlfriend because I guess that’s ok if there’s no man involved. The incel who can’t catch a break…finally gets a hottie (and interesting character) to jump him just for her to be killed off immediately…. And the constant bickering and backstabbing and withheld information…over and over and over…
But I loved the Voyager / Lost in Space potential of new explorations. The theological questions they were broaching. The survival slant rather than pure curiosity. The timed limits of the stops as a plot device. And definitely the little floating probes vs those ridiculous massive ones
I've started to rewatch it after almost a decade, so i forgot what originally happened except it got only two seasons. I'm actually enjoying it now but knowing it leaves on a cliffhanger with no resolution kinda makes me upset.
@@CM-wv8ns Lol - i have never watched the last episode. I do that a lot for cancelled series actually. Because yeah...thats rough. BUT i did hear there was a small comic run that wrapped SGU up a few years ago.
@@nybsfp7486 ok...gonna have to find that comic
It always seemed Stargate SG1 and Atlantis was for children.........SGU was more for adults.........SGU should never have ended, it was perfect !!
Even though Universe was pretty good in the 2nd season I would gladly trade both seasons for another 2 of Atlantis.
Sg-1 and Atlantis are my favorite shows, and while SGU was a good show, I always had a few things that bugged me about it.
If the Ancients were smart enough to make the stargates I would think that they could come up with an efficient lighting system on the ship.
If you are following behind a ship that is assembling stargates that ship would probably be, at least a little more often, setting gates down on more than one planet in a system. That would allow for teams to explore more planets for supplies, still with the time window of course. I know multiple planets in a galaxy could be jumped to, to get back to a leaving ship but,
for a show with Stargate in the name I guess I wanted more stargate usage and not B.S.G. with Stargate elements. (I couldn't get in to B.S.G, a show about politics in space on a dark ship isn't my cup of tea.)
I liked the little things like, using the kinos in place of the malps, seeing how the ship would stop and refuel, even the almost steampunk version of ancient tech, and things like how Rush and Eli over time were figuring out how things on the ship worked.
Personal preference I guess, is that I like sci-fi more for the exploration and cool tech ideas more than politics in space.
Remember, it was all the og SG fan hate that killed SGU... if you love the franchise, dont kill its successors.
SGU is not SGA is not SG1
People need to learn to appreciate and respect new and different... we can bitch and nitpick everything... we could nitpick Sg1 and SgA all day...
But what do you want, a living show with love and positive energy for growth, or negative energy that repels new viewers and kills the show?
Keep that in mind when the new show comes out, and spread the idea when og sg1 fans spew hate because it's not like the original their nostalgia grabs on it.
What makes you think half the lights just don't work after a million plus years of unmanned flight? Both SG1 and SGA had a smattering of politics, just not in every episode or dividing the main cast for long. I will forever suspect the biggest impediment for a lot of fans unable to get into SGU was the relative lack of carryover in the main cast making them feel invested. The first half of the SGA pilot alone had more SG1 regulars than both entire seasons of SGU got counting guest spots. Even the SG1 pilot had as many as seven characters from the Roland Emmerich film including at least two played by the same actors. In neither case was there half as much of a departure from the tone and formula of what preceded it. If some of the main cast, even if just the characters and subsequently recast had been introduced as background characters in the other shows I think it wouldn't have alienated nearly as many fans.
@@chuckfinley1877 The show runner said "if you don't like it, don't watch it". Then he blamed us for not watching it. Some of us still remember.
The communication stones in SGU made me so angry it’s like the crew of the Destiny is at least semi-lost in space with a starships that they largely don’t understand with the only person that does understand being of questionable motives at best
But wait we have a means of direct communication with earth and what do they do with the communication stones, maybe something smart like swap with Sam and McKay and have the two of them unlock and write like a whole manual to the Destiny in a day or two?
No! They go and have stupid family drama drops, fights, and affairs in other peoples bodies!!
Honestly Jack spending SIX YEARS watching the memories of a barber made more sense than how the communication stones were used in SGU
Utter nonsense!
Didn't they already try that with SG Universe???
I think the problem with the sg-u series is that it fails to accept it's own "premise". The star trek transporter and then later on the stargate itself was a plot device. This plot device was designed to allow each week to transport the audience to a totally alien location and as such the writing would take on a monster of the week style. Destiny did not have this. Destiny was a bit more like lost. Fans of campy sci-fi weren't the same people who were fans of the dramas of the late 00s.
Now how does ds9 get by? Ds9 doesn't travel to an exciting new plot point each week. However, if you're going to set a sci-fi show in a single location.... a way station that many alien vessels dock at along their journey is pretty ideal. It's why babylon5 is basically the "same show" (Even so much so that babylon5's pitch man threatened paramount but then realized he was being foolish).
The thing is though, waystation in space is such a basic concept that just about everyone everywhere wanted to see it.
Universe ended up falling in between a lot of successful formulas. It failed to take audiences to a new planet every week the way star trek or sg-1 did. It failed to emulate the only previous single set sci-fi shows of note. Then it also failed as a drama. I think one of the problems with a sci-fi drama is that the sets are just too expensive. This whole issue of too expensive is why star trek the original series first introduced the transporter. Shuttlecraft were too expensive for every episode.
I agree though, right when destiny ended? It was finally coming into it's own, getting good. I feel like it stopped trying to half-way emulate a dozen influences and finally knew how to be it's own show, and it improved a lot. Right before it went off the air forever :(
100th episode "ticking clock is Box Office Gold!!!"
Stargate Universe was way too dark for me.
*Yeah that’s what I thought too.*
personally i loved it i liked the dark tone that we needed for a long time
@@jeffdavis5723 SGU did not have warrior ethos, we don’t leave our people behind. That rule should not be thrown away like garbage.
It was way too realistic, as in everyone was only barely competent, they all seemed petty and disorganised. And Eli, the only super-genius who could solve the puzzle that no one else could in the game, never impressed me much.
I'm pretty sure he failed to repair the stasis pod and died between galaxies
@@tigerbread78 I liked the darker tone, but not the method of how they got there. The way the military leadership was so undisciplined…that’s not very realistic. Their job wasn’t to get people home, it was to protect the people and the ship. But immediately they get some messiah complex and go full fascist? And how only one guy was curious? Everyone else…who would never have been on that ship in the first place unless they were fully aware and ok with the possibility of gate travel going wrong…just whining to get home at all costs rather than embrace the moment, even for a little while? It wasn’t just a job posting to go through the gate - it was a top secret reward for the best in class scientists and military. So I don’t think that was very realistic. And the lying and backstabbing and fighting constantly between people you now NEED to work with and depend on for everyone’s survival…come on. That was way too stupid for supposedly smart people. The darkness should have been mostly environmental and external but they made it mostly interpersonal and internal.
I always felt that they missed an opportunity for more ships after Atlantis made it back to earth. Hear me out. The Odyssey had the Asgard Energy/Matter Converter aka Replicator. Because of the The Ark of Truth we know that the converter can create complex machines. After all, it made a replicator in about an hour or two.
Using the converter to create an industrial version of itself, it could be installed into one of the piers on Atlantis (which has three ZPMs), and could possibly turn out a 304 a month. If there were two, one could make 302s while the other would make the 304s.
Yes...but matter has to come from somewhere so where would the matter to create come from?
I like your idea...but that is a lot of shit to re-sequence into usable matter. ;)
this is what i mean...
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Perfectly cruvis
They talk about being real consequences if the ship moves on and leaves people stranded, but when it happens at the end of "Lost" it's just miraculously resolved offscreen in the next episode.
I thought Universe had great potential. I mean the possibility of a group or race above even the ancients
Ughhh wake them the heck up and continue the series already!!!
Everything about SGU was an awesome change up. Not that I wanted the other stuff different but you guys did such a good job with the emotional feeling of the show… the music.. 🤤 ugh I LOVE the music you guys chose for SGU. It really tied the feeling of the ship together.
Thank you for saying what you said about Discovery...your frustration is my frustration...4 season in and we bearly know the bridge crew...where are their arcs? It just being the Burnham show has gotten old.
We did a ship based Stargate already and it didn’t fly...lol
*#AGREED** WITH YOU ON THAT.* 🤔 👍🏼👍🏼☝🏼 🥴
I thought Atlantis was a ship with a Stargate
Technically yes, though it wasn't flying through space every week. 😀
We're so lucky to have had one of the SGU shows, let alone multiple shows - *all* of which were strong and interesting with varied, quality casts , whilst remaining coherent 🤯 Thank you for not listening to 'crazy talk' Mr Malozzi 🙏👊
its so interesting that so many people liked SGU to me. Cause i cant stand the show, i cant stand how its trying to be so much dark drama with civilians and random stories of people you never heard before with premise that they are stuck on some ship in far far universe, like it steeemed so much away from what SG was and wasnt even really ship show. Also the slow build up in first 3 episodes really killed it. Plus back when it was released it would be really weird for new people to watch it as their first show since you need to know so much from SG1 and SGA to be aware of whats happening.
Agreed.
I liked Universe. I'm currently watching Atlantis and it's sad that Syfy only had it 5 seasons! Also after watching as much of sgc, Atlantis, universe..I've come to say, the Ancients we're assholes started the wraith, replicators and just an all out weird bunch of beings! Love it tho! No wonder the Ori wanted to kill them off 😂
This series is beloved by millions. All they need to do is follow its own trend. Make another race the villains, and make sure it is not woke. So many tv series now are failing, because they can't help but spread "the message".
SG1 and Atlantis were basically the best elements of Star Trek without a ship so it stands reason to have one. As long as the new show, like the previous shows, portrays humanity in a positive and pioneering manner and not cynical and “woke” like current year crap, l’ll be happy. The Orville returns next month. I’d love more tv like that.
Yes I agree! And whilst watching Atlantis through again the challenges of what dictates humanity, to what end are we willing to save ourselves? The woke shit would only subract from story quality.
I hope they're listening. I hope they've paid attention to the relative failure of new trek. I'm not going to watch a show just to get lectured, shamed and disparaged. I'm fine with having a LGB character but don't shove the message down our throats and don't pretend like 1/3 of all people are LGBT. I will turn the show right the fk off and never give it a second chance just like I did with new trek. Even a sci fi show needs to be believable.
Now that you mention it, that was another great thing about SGU that I don't think the audience really appreciated.
The crew of Destiny often visited planets that *weren't* the 'PSG - LooksALotLikeCanada' worlds in the other shows. Even thought the Destiny itself was often choosing planets that had some material/food/resource the crew needed, now that I think about it those worlds were often deserts or frozen wastes or just death-traps in some other way. And I don't think people really appreciated how much extra money and effort that took.
And regarding the Destiny 'choosing' worlds. The whole thing of the Destiny having a powerful central-computer with unknown capabilities that was possibly sentient in it's own right and could absorb or store the consciousness of humans - this was something that wasn't really explored as much as it might have been, and I was looking forward to learning more and maybe talking to some of the 'minds' that it 'saved'. As I remember Rush melded with the version of Destiny that was about to be destroyed - I wonder what he found?
Honestly, when I was a kid I envisioned Atlantis or Destiny as my life as an adult, discovering old tech, old buildings/cities, that was my fantasy of what I'd like to do, literally dreamed about it.
I was a skeptic of SGU but it might be my favorite Stargate product now.
Pluto tv has a channel that shows all the stargate series 24/7
I liked the Ship Show from Stargate idea. IMHO it would have been received better if it had been the story of a Human made ship and more hopeful outlook. Idk I LIKED SGU... but those were elements of the og I really missed.
I loved Universe but just wish it had the humor and funny quirks of SG1 and Atlantis. It was too serious all the time and dramatic much like a soap opera. If they had added more of the original humor and fun it would've been much better but do I love the concept of them being on the ship and enjoyed much of the seriousness and drama. Just wish they could've lightened it up by adding in the fun and drama of the original 2 series that made Stargate so great (they were magic). Who knows... maybe they still will. Fingers crossed that Amazon will surprise us and somehow bring it all back even greater.
SGU was way ahead of its time. I would have killed to get more episodes. To this day after more than 10 years I still want to see where destiny went. I’ll never lose hope that we will see that ship again. And in my opinion there is no way a new Stargate show gets around destiny. I mean this story is nothing you take care of by a Charakter saying: Yup, the crew is fine….
Bring it back!!
Was a bit risky, but ended up working. Mostly.
The only thing about Universe that I found irritating is, who was the leader? Everyone was or None were, in every episode. We know who was supposed to be, but no character agreed with another.. So, we couldn't get behind a character and stay with them.. When or if they ever wake, straighten this out.
I liked SGU. At least give us a conclusion.
I personally never liked SGU. It was a little too young adult novel for me. The funny thing, was that I was in the right age range for that at the time SGU was running.
*Yeah me too, to be honest.* 🤷🏼♂️ 🥴
I just got done rewatching SGU, and I think part of the reason it failed is it wasn't clear what the main threat was.
Look at SG1. First episode, it's established who the Goa'uld are, their footsoldiers the Jaffa, and how the symbiotes work.
Not look at Atlantis. First episode, they show us the Wraith.
But what's the conflict in SGU? The Lucian Alliance attacked in the first episode, and while they were mentioned here and there it didn't become an issue again until the season 1 finale. The blue aliens weren't really introduced until partway through the first season, and they were only in a handful of episodes across two seasons. The drones didn't come into play until season 2.
Is this series going to be different, more of a "character vs environment" story? The ship is very old and things are going to break down, and the crew often struggles to get what they need to keep it running. But how many interesting stories can you tell that revolve around "we need to get something from this planet to fix the ship"? Once they had control of the ship's bridge, they could get around the "ticking clock" problem if they really needed to.
It seems like one major source of conflict the writers were going for was among different factions of the crew themselves. That can make a really compelling story, but it feels like they didn't lean into it enough. There weren't enough consequences. Young doesn't trust Rush (for good reason) and tries to abandon him on a planet. Okay, but a few episodes later Rush gets back onboard anyway. Part of the crew tries to seize control of the ship. A few episodes later, they're petty much all friends again.
Universe failed because it was mimicking the BSG “adult prestige television” formula complete with dark cinematography, unlikable cast,and shaky cam. It was a Stargate show that seemed to be ashamed of being a Stargate show. And if a show won’t embrace its premise and universe, why should I embrace it?
@@christopherjones5446 I think it’s fine to tell a different kind of story in the same universe, you just have to pick a direction and stick to it. I would have loved a BSG-like adult drama in the Stargate setting. But it’s like the writers couldn’t decide and so they just threw in a little bit of everything instead of doing one thing really well.
@@John73John Ah, that word “different” that pops up from defenders of Universe. You know, there was already an adult BSG type series out there: NU-BSG. If the creators want to do something different, they should create a new franchise and use their dark sensibilities in that. When you go to a sushi bar, do you expect a 72 Oz porterhouse steak? It’s “different” right? When it comes to certain things, there are expectations to be met. And recent years have shown that we all know what happens when some wunderkind steps in and tries to “subvert expectations” for its own sake.
@@christopherjones5446 ok, settle down. I didn’t come here to fight.
I’m not defending SGU. Far from it. I think the premise had a lot of potential for a good show, but as I’ve said there were major problems with how they handled it.
You mentioned characters before - I hear a lot of people say they don’t like the SGU crew. That’s a fair point, and I tend to agree. To me, they often don’t seem very genuine, and I think part of it is because they’re being jerked around by a plot that can’t decide which way to go. They were prepared to use lethal force against each other in “Divided”, and afterward they all just go back to working together? Why, because the plot said so? That kind of thing should have major consequences down the line. Just saying “a few weeks have passed, they talked about it off-screen” is lazy writing.
Again, nothing inherently wrong with “different”. I don’t walk into Outback Steakhouse thinking I’m going to get sushi, but I do expect them to have a menu with more than just 1 cut of meat on it. Star Trek TNG, DS9, and Voyager were all pretty different, and different from TOS, and they were great shows.
Regarding “recent years”, which specific franchises you’re referring to?
@@christopherjones5446 I think the real threat in SGU was the unknown, cold, unforgiving universe. These unlucky, thrown together people were constantly in danger not because of a certain bad guy, but because they werent supposed to be there anyway.
bring back SGU best sci fi ever
Second series it was beginning to hit its stride...
I think it was unfortunate, but the communication stones were what in my mind broke the show. Yes, it's good to have a way to communicate with SGC and possibly get the latest news of "SG-1" and "SGA" half as fan service, half for the story (same universe, hope u know what I mean), but it became too much of a focus, especially the interaction on earth 🌎 than the the place the series should stand for, the ship Destiny. When I rewatch the show, I always skip most of the scenes that are not located on the ship or the many world's they visit on their short breaks. It's sad to say but these scenes are just boring and uninteresting to me.
I hope that aspect will get better when SGU ever gets a new season. 🙏
I believe SGU was the best SG.
I prefer the serialization, the intense character flaw driven infighting, the episode life or death tension and all the dynamical problems they faced.
I dont care for purely episodic scifi.
Thanks for all these interviews, inside the minds of.❤❤❤❤
I loved SGU. It could have been the best if it had more seasons but I have to give SG1 the crown just for the fact it went 11 seasons and had SO many story arcs. Loved the actors too.
Since the networks seem to want to change everything they touch into clones of Game of Thrones (like they've done to Wheel of Time and Rings of Nonsense) they should maybe try it in space? SGU was by far the most 'adult' and gritty Startgate series, and the only one to have real sexual issues or kill relatively major characters if the plot demanded it. Rush's ruthlessness in pursuit of his dream, and the whole twisted situation with Telford made Stargate Universe ripe for creating a show where the line between Good and Evil is extremely fuzzy and the biggest threats can be other Terrans/Tau Ri instead of the cool blue aliens.
1:30 The ship show was not classic scifi, imho. Classic scifi works on struggles in society and struggles external to society. Universe had the conflict internal to the team. It was your typical "man vs himself" first and foremost. So it was Stargate doing a drama. That deviation left a lot of us disappointed. Not to mention, we have drama everywhere in society. Why would want _more_ of it, and why would you want to compete with realty television with a different set?
Hhm... I enjoyed Universe while watching it, but it's the only Stargate show I've only ever watched once. And I think it was mostly because it was ship based and it felt a bit Star Trek-y in a way.
To me it had less of the Stargate charm, but that's really just personal opinion... in my mind I've been calling it 'Starship Destiny' rather than Stargate Universe.
I liked the SGU premise but I hated the overly emotional music montages at the end of the episodes.
I threw up a little in my mouth when you said ST:D’s Lord Mikey is great. To quote our dementia in chief “Com’on man!”
SGU, the beginning of the modern plague of "dark" sci-fi shows, sadly. I like some of the premises of the show but the tone and frankly the acting was abysmal and, IMHO, rightly short-lived.
The reason universe did‘t last long is because it lacked what the other two series had and that was humour.
I love this ship, wish it was real..... it would be one hell of a ride I tell ya, I love how it chases a sun to recharge its batts or ZPM's or whot ever the fk it has hahahahaha.
To me Stargate Universe failed in that by making it all about the ship and relegating the Stargate to a version of the transporter from Star Trek it lost the core of Stargate. Stargate was about exploration through the Stagate but 90% of the time they weren't exploring for the sake of exploring it was to find what the ship stopped at that planet to get an item it needed to repair itself.
I think they kind of had to change up the formula at this point in time. SG1 ran 11 seasons on that premise and Atlantis ran 5
@@guysmiley4830 Funny as SG1 was only on for 10 seasons with two movies. Stargate Universe should have been titled something like 'Universe or Destiny: A Stargate Story/Adventure'.
their was far too much character exploration in universe (this wouldnt be so bad if it was within story but it always meant we had to go back to earth and have what felt like 50% of the first season on earth with characters in the bodies of other people), thats why it got cancelled. the 2nd season was alot better but them communication stones still ruined every episode they got used to communicate with earth. we dont watch stargate to see peoples relationships back on earth when they are on a starship on the other side of the universe...
I'm a big Stargate fan, but honestly I found Universe to be meandering and miserable, and I found the count-down premise to be overdone and tiresome. I never finished watching that series. A shame.
I watched it 'til the end, you missed nothing
They TRIED that. It was AWFUL. It was a very DARK "Lost in Space" with no stargate and no way home. Everyone on the ship fought each other. Supplies were running out. Sporadic communications home sort of but WEIRD like mind reading meets body snatcher.
I CANNOT be bothered to go there again.
Exactly, It might as well have been directed by disney lol. They need to avoid it entirely if they revive stargate.
#wakeupdestiny
Whatever else happens, DON'T WOKE THIS UP!
Worst idea ever happening to a Stargate series..and for that Atlantis has been canceled. After all I think the writer see Universe as a fiasko too.
Wasn't as bad as the pilot i guess :))
The gates getting the huge downgrade annoyed me
I’m convinced this is the show that’s destroyed Stargate.
It still has to have a Stargate. I think it should be back to basics not SGU which was the most recent and darkest Stargate. Follow the example of Star Trek Strange New Worlds. We want escapism, humor and good story writing not dark dribble.
I disagree with Atlantis not being an ensemble show. It was more so a hybrid with other characters showing growth as the series went on.
I don't think it work . It would be more startreky ish.
The war of the worlds series was iffy but if the powers that but get their brains together it could work.
But, the people behind the money aren't interested
Bring it back😂
So the Stargate Universe cast are just left dangling . Was not impressed by where it was left...
Stargate Universe was not good, so much of it made zero sense and half the crew shouldn't have passed a basic security clearance, let alone something so prized as the stargate program. Dr Rush and Eli were the only 2 likeable characters with the amazing Robert Carlyle single handedly dragging the show on. What a waste of the 9th chevron. Whoever came up with that should never be allowed near the Stargate franchise again.