Nope, I can't pick mine, it feels like a bunch of teeth grabbing on to my pick, so it keeps jamming up. Very gritty feedback, as mine has spring steel workings that are a little surface rusted, not brass.
This is a sterling job. If I was to say I have picked one but never caught it on camera - few would believe me. So I won't say that. Well done (and seeing inside as helped me no end - my revisit this lock).
They are indeed incredible padlocks, fantastic job picking it open mate. Im so pleased you enjoyed picking & gutting it. Awesome video as always, have a fantastic week. 😎👍
Well done. This is one high security lock and unbelievable tricky pick, people have picked these but remove the rubber o ring and not showing that on camera! You done a great job. I have one but it's beyond me LoL
Awesome picking, Ash! Thanks. 🙂👍 The fully-shrouded lock weighs about 1kg and can still be bought, new, at about £250. The open-shackled one is around £200. Rumour has it that the locks may have been designed for MOD use, in about 1971, and they spread later to the commercial market. I have an earlier open-shackled version, which has never had a dust cover. I've owned it for almost 35 years, and had used it on a bicycle, only later learning that the lock was worth more than the bike! The lock came my way, with one key, in an amateur radio club fund raising auction, in an end-of-auction clearout box, described as 'miscellaneous junk'. My winning bid was 50p. I have not picked it conventionally yet, but have made a surprisingly flimsy key-like tool out of a piece of plastic cut from a milk bottle, which opens the lock quickly, and repeatedly, if used with a good tension tool.
I think that O ring is there to prevent water from dripping down the shackle and corroding the core. These locks were designed for armories and weapons bunkers, and were often exposed to the elements for years and required to remain both secure and accessable. I think its effect on picking is coincidence.
I know the vid is over 2 years old but have to comment that it was an excellent showpiece of lockpicking expertise. The Ingersoll CS700 10 lever (5 levers on each side) Closed Shroud Padlock is not known as being elementary to pick open! No, more of a Nightmare on Elm St!! I've attempted picking Hi-Security padlocks and they're very tricky business indeed, so hats off LockNoob. LockPikPro would be a more fitting title! With regards.
They are superb locks, very kind of Daz to loan it to you, make sure you return it.😆 Well picked and gutted, they have really cool guts in them, super cool.👍🍺🤓🇦🇺
Ash, good skills on the opening. I have picked over 25 of these locks without keys in the past couple of months, 3 in the last 2 days. The reason you are struggling with the open shackle version is because it has a number 1 & number 2 cut at the tip. These cuts (especially the 1) are extremely duifficult to locate. The lock you picked had a 3 & a 4 as the tip cuts so therefore much easier to locate. Once you realise that this is the situation perseverance will get you through, but it takes time. Hope this makes sense. As with all locks the code contained within them can make the difference in terms of time taken to pick and a successful opening. The other thing that affects success is the profile, I think the open shackle is S profile, which is by far the most common, open & unrestricted keyway. The N, A, R & M profiles add an extra dimension of challenge. The one you picked looks to be N.
Thanks Martin. Picking this lock really helped me ‘get’ these locks and it’s allowed me to pick and hand file a key for one I had that didn’t have one before 😃
Brilliant picking.your skill.level is so far above mine I admit that I do get baffled when you go really deep into the gutting and picking. I just love it though.real skill and passion make for great videos.
I love how they dampened the feedback. Never seen a lock do it that way before. And was surprised at how mutch tension you had to use just to turn the core after picking it. All in all nice pick and gut : )
Yes an awesome lock!!!! Nave not been able to pick them yet🙁. But it will be a wonderful day when I do😃 Great of Daz to lend it to you!!!!!👍👍👍👍 🐈⬛🐾🐈🐾😷🇬🇧👏👏👏👏👏👏
Hi Lock Noob, They are, without a doubt, a great padlock, and a very original mechanism - great pick by the way! I was given a padlock (open shackle) and a rim cylinder back in the '60's by the agents at the time in Australia. They claimed the locks were pick proof, and you don't see the word "proof" so much nowadays. I was given no keys, but after disassembling the cylinder I could see it was masterkeyed,and so was the padlock which I eventually picked - made it a lot easier of course - I don't remember an "O" ring in the rear of the lock core, nor a dead feel to the core, perhaps this is a later addition for water proofing. I wondered at the time why no false gates as per Abloy, perhaps Ingersol didn't consider picking as a concern - perhaps they still don't ...?
Thanks Brian, really cool info. I would say in the field, locks like this are more or less ‘pick proof’, but some false gates would turn the beast into a leviathan!
If anyones wondering, the round bits the screws go in to are actually welded to the anti drill plate, not riveted in. They're hardened steel like ball bearings, so tough to drill). Im pretty sure the one I have has false gates as the 'levers' seem to act like wheels that turn when the key is inserted. And on mine they're made of spring steel instead of brass. The body is chrome plated solid hardened steel. It's a pain to open even with the key, because the position of each disk/lever has to be very precise. It actually jams up if you turn the key before everything is in place. ...and it's my favourite lock too. I'm waiting for the incredibly lucky day I get hold of a rotalok. To get the shackle pin out on yours, try putting a piece of pencil lead the same diameter in the access hole to keep it lined up, then turn it over, heat up the shackle, and bash the lock on the other side with a fibreglass mallet.
Both of those are big beefy locks. Looks like a tough pick, you did well! I know you want to keep you're lock BUT if you where to "accidentally" send me Daz's lock I'm (almost) sure he wouldn't mind....
@@LockNoob I contacted Ingersoll, but they told me "the pin is an interference fit and needs to be gently knocked out with a parallel drift and a hammer". But the hole to access the pin is only there on 1 of the sides... So I don't see how I'd be able to tap it out if there's nowhere for it to go... Guess I'll have to resort to drilling it out.
I have an Ingersoll 711 or 712, not really shutte which model it is. I have only spend about 30 minutes on it without seb open yet. I keep meaning to pick it up and have a good go at it. When resembling it do you just drop the ball bearings back down the core hole and push them into the holes at the bottom? If I grey mine open I am just a little nervous about gutting it, that is if I can get the shackle out. It is retained at one side and I haven't tried getting the pin out. Mainly because I didn't know that's how toy do it. Great picking as always, you make it look so easy.
Yep. The bottom of the inside of the body is flat, so if you put grease on the ball-bearings with the shackle in place, you can push them into thier holes. Then put the core in, then the drill plate, then the key, then pull the shackle out, put the screws in, put the shackle back in and lock it to remove the key. The rubber ring also helps keep the ballbearings in place when reassembling. ...oh, and don't attempt to disassemble the core cos it will take forever to get it back together. They probably have a bespoke jig to hold it all together during assembly at the factory.
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These are such brutes to pick, nice and tricky while also being manageable. Have you ever picked one yourself? Let me know your experiences! 👍🔐😃🗝
Nope, I can't pick mine, it feels like a bunch of teeth grabbing on to my pick, so it keeps jamming up. Very gritty feedback, as mine has spring steel workings that are a little surface rusted, not brass.
How about drill the pin out from your lock ?
This is a sterling job. If I was to say I have picked one but never caught it on camera - few would believe me. So I won't say that. Well done (and seeing inside as helped me no end - my revisit this lock).
Thanks ☺️
@@LockNoob No worries, I'm surprised you even understood what I was saying, so many damn typos. A sterling job though.
They are indeed incredible padlocks, fantastic job picking it open mate. Im so pleased you enjoyed picking & gutting it. Awesome video as always, have a fantastic week. 😎👍
Thanks for the loan Daz!
Thank you for the loan Daz, you rock mate!
I have 2, haven’t been able to pick either. Even took one on holiday last year and it nearly ended up in the sea!
Lol, they can be pigs!
The gasp when you got the lock open. I love that sort of excitement when someone gets an open on a tough lock 🙂
It’s always tricky with these ones!
Beastly padlocks Ingersoll... Great picking mate. Cheers Ash. 👍
Thanks 😊
Serious nice lock, seriously good picking, many thanks
Thanks 🙏
So I'm not the only one that gasps when I get an open. 😝 Gorgeous lock, stellar open.
Lol and also thanks
Awesome demonstration of the lock's functionality! Thanks!
Thanks 🙏
1st class picking of a 1st class lock with great Explaining as you
Proceeded what more is needed for a great vid,billbo.
Thanks 😊
It was excellent !!!
Good luck 🤞😃
Thanks 🙏
That is a beautifully made lock. Just wonderful to see. Nice work opening it.
Thanks 🙏
Well done. This is one high security lock and unbelievable tricky pick, people have picked these but remove the rubber o ring and not showing that on camera!
You done a great job. I have one but it's beyond me LoL
Never say never! They take a beastly amount of tension tho
Awesome picking, Ash! Thanks. 🙂👍
The fully-shrouded lock weighs about 1kg and can still be bought, new, at about £250. The open-shackled one is around £200. Rumour has it that the locks may have been designed for MOD use, in about 1971, and they spread later to the commercial market.
I have an earlier open-shackled version, which has never had a dust cover. I've owned it for almost 35 years, and had used it on a bicycle, only later learning that the lock was worth more than the bike! The lock came my way, with one key, in an amateur radio club fund raising auction, in an end-of-auction clearout box, described as 'miscellaneous junk'. My winning bid was 50p.
I have not picked it conventionally yet, but have made a surprisingly flimsy key-like tool out of a piece of plastic cut from a milk bottle, which opens the lock quickly, and repeatedly, if used with a good tension tool.
Thanks for the cool comment! Always appreciated! Yeah you gotta get a bargain with these as they are crazy expensive!!
Beautiful lock, thanks for finding one you could gut and sharing it with us!
Thanks 😊
I think that O ring is there to prevent water from dripping down the shackle and corroding the core. These locks were designed for armories and weapons bunkers, and were often exposed to the elements for years and required to remain both secure and accessable. I think its effect on picking is coincidence.
That sounds very plausible. If it’s true it’s a good example of security by accident
I know the vid is over 2 years old but have to comment that it was an excellent showpiece of lockpicking expertise. The Ingersoll CS700 10 lever (5 levers on each side) Closed Shroud Padlock is not known as being elementary to pick open! No, more of a Nightmare on Elm St!! I've attempted picking Hi-Security padlocks and they're very tricky business indeed, so hats off LockNoob. LockPikPro would be a more fitting title! With regards.
Nice seeing someone use a wire tensioner! It's one of the tensioners I use the most and having the most success with. Beautiful lock btw.
Yeah it’s almost worth the cost of the kit!
They are superb locks, very kind of Daz to loan it to you, make sure you return it.😆 Well picked and gutted, they have really cool guts in them, super cool.👍🍺🤓🇦🇺
great picking, nicely done
Thank you 😊
Very impressive work sir! Quite the impressive lock also 👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks 🙏
Ash, good skills on the opening. I have picked over 25 of these locks without keys in the past couple of months, 3 in the last 2 days. The reason you are struggling with the open shackle version is because it has a number 1 & number 2 cut at the tip. These cuts (especially the 1) are extremely duifficult to locate. The lock you picked had a 3 & a 4 as the tip cuts so therefore much easier to locate. Once you realise that this is the situation perseverance will get you through, but it takes time. Hope this makes sense. As with all locks the code contained within them can make the difference in terms of time taken to pick and a successful opening. The other thing that affects success is the profile, I think the open shackle is S profile, which is by far the most common, open & unrestricted keyway. The N, A, R & M profiles add an extra dimension of challenge. The one you picked looks to be N.
Thanks Martin. Picking this lock really helped me ‘get’ these locks and it’s allowed me to pick and hand file a key for one I had that didn’t have one before 😃
@@LockNoob if you need a keys cut to code, I have machines and blanks here that can do that !
Brilliant picking.your skill.level is so far above mine I admit that I do get baffled when you go really deep into the gutting and picking. I just love it though.real skill and passion make for great videos.
That’s very kind of you to say ☺️
That thing is a monster! The internal mechanism really is beautiful, it's very much a case of beauty being within the beast
Sure is!
Excellent video mate keep up the good work...
Thanks o
nice job LN, always wanted to see this ingersol P&Gd.
Thanks 🙏
I love how they dampened the feedback.
Never seen a lock do it that way before.
And was surprised at how mutch tension you had to use just to turn the core after picking it.
All in all nice pick and gut : )
Thanks 🙏
Yes an awesome lock!!!!
Nave not been able to pick them yet🙁. But it will be a wonderful day when I do😃
Great of Daz to lend it to you!!!!!👍👍👍👍
🐈⬛🐾🐈🐾😷🇬🇧👏👏👏👏👏👏
Yes, Daz is awesome
Nicely done 👍 I've yet to get my hands on one of these. They seem like a real bear to open, but you knocked it out pretty well! Have a great day 🍻
Thanks 😊
Hi Lock Noob, They are, without a doubt, a great padlock, and a very original mechanism - great pick by the way! I was given a padlock (open shackle) and a rim cylinder back in the '60's by the agents at the time in Australia. They claimed the locks were pick proof, and you don't see the word "proof" so much nowadays. I was given no keys, but after disassembling the cylinder I could see it was masterkeyed,and so was the padlock which I eventually picked - made it a lot easier of course - I don't remember an "O" ring in the rear of the lock core, nor a dead feel to the core, perhaps this is a later addition for water proofing. I wondered at the time why no false gates as per Abloy, perhaps Ingersol didn't consider picking as a concern - perhaps they still don't ...?
Thanks Brian, really cool info. I would say in the field, locks like this are more or less ‘pick proof’, but some false gates would turn the beast into a leviathan!
Nicely done M8. Such a awesome lock. Great job and video. Take care and be well. 👍🔓🙂
You too!
Those are just gorgeous lock. Nicely done 👍👍
Thanks 🙏
Good job.
Thanks 🙏
If anyones wondering, the round bits the screws go in to are actually welded to the anti drill plate, not riveted in. They're hardened steel like ball bearings, so tough to drill). Im pretty sure the one I have has false gates as the 'levers' seem to act like wheels that turn when the key is inserted. And on mine they're made of spring steel instead of brass. The body is chrome plated solid hardened steel. It's a pain to open even with the key, because the position of each disk/lever has to be very precise. It actually jams up if you turn the key before everything is in place. ...and it's my favourite lock too. I'm waiting for the incredibly lucky day I get hold of a rotalok. To get the shackle pin out on yours, try putting a piece of pencil lead the same diameter in the access hole to keep it lined up, then turn it over, heat up the shackle, and bash the lock on the other side with a fibreglass mallet.
Ah yes, the Rotolock is a fine lock indeed!
Awesome locks! I've been picking mine for months now and have yet to get an open.. You made that look easy, lol
Thanks 🙏 I did use obscene tension though
very cool Ash my friend its the first time ive seen the inside of one😊🤟👍👊🇬🇧
Thanks Leon! I do love these locks!!!
Great pick on a rather difficult lock & Thanks to Das Evers for loaning it to you. Now next for you is the Miracle variant with the AVA core.
Oooh! I have an AVA pick too!
You make it look so easy
These are very tricky! Or at least I find them to be, took a lot a of practice
I know there is a lot of hard work experience you have , but you still made it look easy
@@brianblackwell2308 very kind of you; just wanted to be honest so it wasn’t discouraging
When you stop tensioning on this lock, do the picked levers fall off or do they stay picked?
I recently purchased the version without a full shroud.
Mine has no key so I’m intending to pick it.
Brilliant pick, thanks for sharing! Good job getting them open- would a big old magnet help getting the pin out of yours?
Sadly not
Both of those are big beefy locks. Looks like a tough pick, you did well! I know you want to keep you're lock BUT if you where to "accidentally" send me Daz's lock I'm (almost) sure he wouldn't mind....
Lol
Did you ever find a way to drop the shackle retaining pin?
I'm facing the exact same issue on mine 😅
No, sadly not 😞
@@LockNoob I contacted Ingersoll, but they told me "the pin is an interference fit and needs to be gently knocked out with a parallel drift and a hammer". But the hole to access the pin is only there on 1 of the sides... So I don't see how I'd be able to tap it out if there's nowhere for it to go...
Guess I'll have to resort to drilling it out.
LockNoob, that pin almost looks like an Allen screw. Did you try a Allen or Torx bit on it?
It seems to be too worn if indeed it is or was 😕
I have an Ingersoll 711 or 712, not really shutte which model it is. I have only spend about 30 minutes on it without seb open yet. I keep meaning to pick it up and have a good go at it.
When resembling it do you just drop the ball bearings back down the core hole and push them into the holes at the bottom? If I grey mine open I am just a little nervous about gutting it, that is if I can get the shackle out. It is retained at one side and I haven't tried getting the pin out. Mainly because I didn't know that's how toy do it.
Great picking as always, you make it look so easy.
Yep. The bottom of the inside of the body is flat, so if you put grease on the ball-bearings with the shackle in place, you can push them into thier holes. Then put the core in, then the drill plate, then the key, then pull the shackle out, put the screws in, put the shackle back in and lock it to remove the key. The rubber ring also helps keep the ballbearings in place when reassembling. ...oh, and don't attempt to disassemble the core cos it will take forever to get it back together. They probably have a bespoke jig to hold it all together during assembly at the factory.
@@penfold7800 Thanks for all that typed advice. Much appreciated. I will copy and store this info for future ref. Again Thank you : )
It's a laminated padlock, not high security at all. And with a 10mm shackle a sledgehammer can break it with a few hits