Not only that during the Falkland War the RAF had to acquire parts and pieces from museums and scrap yards to get the bombers and flying tankers into flying condition, pilots had to learn on the fly, and the most humorous there was one critical part on the bomber that was needed for flight and the engineers and mechanics manage to locate the part that was being used as an ash tray in a break room.
From what I can gather, the main benefit of the Blackbuck raids was not the damage they did to Stanley airport so much as the fact that they showed they could reach Argentina, which resulted in the Argentine air force pretty much being withdrawn to the mainland.
An accurate assessment, it was more a psychological mission as an operational one. Just as the first RAF attacks on Berlin in WWII, letting the enemy know you can touch them at home is a great asset. Same as the Doolittle raid on Japan, little real damage but it made the Japanese hold fighters in the home islands.
@@warpartyattheoutpost4987 The Japanese had the same plan with their I-400 seaplane carrying subs. If even one such plane loaded with a biological payload as the Japanese resorted to later on when they realized they couldn't mass produced these for entire air-raids had successfully carried out their attack,it would've dented American morale regardless if it had done any damage or not. Especially since when the Navy conceived the plan for it,German subs were still torpedoing ships in East coast ports every now and then along with Japanese subs occasionally doing small attacks on the West coast
@@itsjohndell Those two were exactly what I was thinking of when the questionable value of the black buck missions was brought up... It sent a message, not only to the Argentine forces and populace, but to the rest of the world, too. (Long, rambling O/T angent here- I wonder what would have happened if the Brits chose to invoke article five of the NATO charter (mutual defense)? It's a thorny issue, since the Falklands were out of the NATO cold war field of concern, but they also WERE sovereign territory of a NATO member (and the #2 member, at that)... I wonder if NATO would have entered the conflict, or just dithered about the technicalities, which would have been disastrous for the alliance's credibility. Two decades later, article 5 was invoked for the first and thus far only time (in response to 9/11), and the entire alliance fulfilled its obligations in a circumstance that was marginally similar- as Afghanistan was clearly not part if the North Atlantic theatre. I suspect that there was some back-channel diplomacy that may have prevented NATO from coming to the UK's aid. (Perhaps supported by a belief that the UK should and could win on it's own, without calling to it's friends for help?) Though, if NATO DID get into the conflict, I couldn't see any outcome other than A- an immediate and total surrender and withdrawal on the part of Argentina, (after, perhaps, some face saving gestures) and, B- NATO being more openly characterized and perceived as a global ruling cabal outside of the international order of the U.N, etc. I wonder if the benefits would have outweighed the accompanying negative global perception of NATO, which could have strengthened the Warsaw Pact and other alliances that were dedicated to curb the growing hegemonic power of the USA, and to end colonialism. Thoughts? (And, it is kinda fun to speculate upon what forces NATO could've brought to bear in that conflict... Even one carrier group, one MEU, or a dozen-ish nuclear attack subs and a few AA destroyers would have absolutely routed anything Argentina could have brought to the table).
Ah yes, Thunderball. After the movie’s release, the Royal Marine Commandos contacted the movie’s producers, eager to get their hands on the teeny, tiny rebreather used by James Bond. Alas, such a rebreather was just a movie prop. However, another company used it as the inspiration for their portable, small pressurized air cylinder, used for casual scuba diving. 🐶
There is a vulcan on display at the RAF museum in North West London and it is huge. It has a dozen cars and trucks parked underneath the aircraft. It has other aircraft like the B-17 and Avro Lancaster bombers and they were tiny in comparison. A free entry museum and worth spending the day there.
Mark Felton on one of his UA-cam channels did a post about the Vulcan landing in S. American after the raid on the Falkland Islands. It caused a scandal at the time and in itself is a real 'boys own' adventure story. Thanks Johnny for the overview on this fantastic aircraft. 👌
My dad who's not the biggest fan of military equipment and such can always name and cite the Avro Vulcan off the top of his head, it fascinated him as a kid and still does to this day, in no small part in being a futuristic Avro aircraft that was shown off only a few years before the Avro branch here in Canada was shut down along with the Avro Arrow. I guess he sees the Vulcan as a surrogate for the Avro aircraft that could have been here. Still really cool to see every time just the same.
Another interesting fact, 1960 i was a member of 101sqd when we were invited to visit Agentina so off went with 2 Vulcans and spent a great 6 weeks with the Argy airforce, the tango clubs were somethingelse!!
I spent many hours in Malta guarding the Vulcan when i had to do guard duty back in 1975 to 1978. The RAF base where the Vulcan was based is now closed ie RAF Waddington.
Sadly no Vulcans remain in flying condition today. The last one was retired off the airshow circuit around 2014 due to costs. I was lucking enough to see it fly then at the Duxford Airshow. The distinctive howling sound it makes is truly like none other and really leaves an impression on you.
The Vulcan was designed by Sir Roy Chadwick, who designed the Avro Lancaster, and the Avro Manchester, although, like R. J. Mitchell, he did not live to see it fly. (Both died of cancer).
I've been lucky enough to see one fly at an air show, on take off it set off every car alarm in the carpark, it's definitely a noise you feel more than hear
When I was at Lakenheath the RAF were still flying some of them. Without doubt the most beautiful Bomber ever built. A little side note to the Blackbuck mission, I was party to the signals, Reagan had the Victor tankers shadowed by KC-135's in case if needed they could re-fuel the Vulcans. We were in that raid all the way...quietly. I agreed with nothing else Ms Thatcher did but she did what needed to be done in the Falklands Conflict. If she had let Argentina keep the islands it would have been the end of Britain as a major power.
I viewed one on display near Edinburgh. It’s one of the “Black Buck” aircraft. On the side, under the cockpit window are two painted silhouettes of Shrike anti radar missiles, launched against Argentinian AAA systems, and a Small Brazilian flag. This commemorates it’s internment in Rio after running short of fuel. We gave the Argies the good news several different ways!
I got to see one of these in the RAF museum. They had a giant flatscreen in the open bomb bay that displayed a video about the plane, and there was still room to spare.
Having the rare pister of the bomber in my room is more then I could ask for. I'm 70 today and still keep the poster as one of my most precious treasures. I have no intention to keep even the B2 and B21 on my wall. The only posters of aircraft I treasures most are the Spitfire Hurricane, US P-51 Mustang and the Avro Vulcan Bomber.
With some modernizations and upgrades such as replacing the Rolls-Royce Olympus turbojets with Rolls-Royce Conway or Spey turbofans as used in various flying engine testbed variants, the Avro Vulcan could have served longer until the late 1990s or early 2000s carrying Paveway or JDAM smart bombs and Storm Shadow cruise missiles.
Tests were done with hanging 3 x Paveway Laser Guided bombs on 1 carrier on a Vulcan. I was involved in the tests. But ultimately they decided to retire the Vulcan.
I saw one at the Woodford air show in Cheshire in the early 70s. It was amazing to see it do a low level pass with a wingtip turn whilst those engines shrieked like a banshee. On a side note, at the same show the Red Arrows performed and I swear that when I waved at them one of the pilots waved back. Given that we were in a field and therefore there were less people about in that area maybe the pilot thought "what the hell!".
XH558 was retired in 2015, and hasn't flown since. It will be cut up into sections to move it from its homebase airport that closed recently. The fictional Delta Wing from Forza Horizon 4 was almost certainly meant to be a proper Vulcan. The showcase event where you race against it in an Aston Martin Vulcan would have seen the event called 'Vulcan Vs Vulcan', like the Mustang Vs Mustang event from the original Forza Horizon. Ultimately, it seems the rights to use the design could not be obtained, and a similar fictional craft was used instead.
One of the great aircraft designs from AVRO. Too bad the CF-105 Arrow did not get into full production. Saw it at an airshow one year. Awesome sound. It look so graceful in the sky, but it was grimly functional. Not a lot of people outside of Britain knew of the aircraft until Thunderball. Thunderball was probably the most important thing for the Vulcan. It showed the world what an aircraft it was. Thanks for posting this bit of history.
excellent coverage as usual Johnny. This was one I wasn't familiar with. I almost skipped past it as i thought it was a star trek video from a different channel!
My goodness, Johnny hits the Jetstream....,privileged as a youngster to hear..before I saw it above me in Norfolk in 1978...totally amazing..and climbing aboard one at RAF Cosford...Awesome...I believe is the best transatlantic word...nice one ,Johnny...peace and love from Clabby Towers...currently confined to camp..had a fall...surgery now physio...it's the one you don't see coming that gets ya...still misbehaven...but Mrs C,s keeping me in line..sometimes...
I was hoping you'd see this one! Hope you are feeling better and the surgery went well? I'll try to have a few more British videos out this month for ya.
@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq that would be cool...look forward to seeing those...still breathing and misbehaven...but as mentioned Mrs C is keeping everything on an even keel...cheers, Johnny....E...
An impressive aircraft indeed! I've seen the one they have at the Castle Air Museum in California. A very beautiful aircraft! Another great vid Johnny!👍
I was fortunate enough to see several flights of Vulcan XH558, including one of the last ones at Church Fenton in 2015. This beauty would absolutely draw crowds where ever she flew! There used to be an app on smartphones which would tell owners where XH558 would be flying, you had to get there early, because the area would be packed with cars in short order!
Mate, I've subbed your channel recently, around a month or so ago. Have gone back to view older content as well. Just wanted to say thanks for the interesting and well researched content, time and time again!
I was an Armourer in the RAF. I was part of the team that bombed up the Vulcan's on Ascension Island during the Falklands war. The best detachment I ever went on. But the iron bombs you mention in the video are not WW2 bombs. 1000lb bombs used during WW2 were a different shape than the more modern bombs we used. I don't exactly know when the standard 1000lb bomb entered service in the RAF. Late 1950's maybe. The ones used by Vulcan's were Mk11 and 12's. By the time I left the RAF in 2002, we had moved onto Mk20 1000lb bombs with 960 fuses. The overall size and shape of the bomb stayed the same though. XH558, that was the last Vulcan in a flyable state, was grounded in 2015. She is privately owned by a trust, so must have a Civilian Aviation Authority Certificate to fly. This was withdrawn in 2015 because the engineering authorities such as BAE and Marshalls aviation, withdrew their engineering support. The aircraft was unable to get a certificate to continue flying. This is a crying shame, because there is nothing better at an airshow than a display by a Vulcan.
Awesome to hear from you and your experience! I got that information from the book "Vulcan 607" and a channel 4 documentary. They were saying that the UK's stockpile of bombs was near depleted in the 1980s and they had to scrounge up iron bombs from the WW2 era which were used in 607 during Black Buck 1 and during immediate training before the mission. Do you think they were just being sensational and maybe they just meant they were the same "type" of bomb? I'm definitely inclined to believe someone with hands on experience.
@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq Yes mate. They were wrong. Each frontline RAF station had a stockpile of 1000lb bombs. It depended on what aircraft the station operated. EG at RAF Waddington where I worked from 1979 to 1984. The bomb dump has 5 rows of outside bomb storage bays. With 10 bays in each row. Each bay usually held 125 x 1000lb bombs. That is 6250 bombs. That is just one RAF station. RAF Scampton operated Vulcan's too, plus Connigsby and Finningley. All would have had bomb dumps. But if you look at the satellite images these days. You cannot see where the bomb dumps used to be. Its true that they had to re-equip the Vulcan to drop iron bombs. Because for years, it had trained to just drop 1 nuclear bomb. I worked on them too, but I don't talk about that much lol. They had to refit the standard bombing computer and other stuff, then quickly train with it. The pylons that the Shrike missiles were fired from, were completely made in the station workshops section. After the Vulcan left service in 1984 all the 1000lb bombs at Waddington were got rid of. Probably because they were all Mk11 and Mk12 bombs. When I was at RAF Marham in Norfolk late 80's to early 90's, we had Mk20 1000lb bombs. These days I do not know what the bomb situation is like. EG you cannot see many in the satellite image of the bomb dump at Marham.
Thanks Andrew. Well considering the author was 11 at the time of the war and I was yet to be born I'm going with your experience on this one. No need to make this piece of history anymore colorful than it already was. Really appreciate having you comment with your experience.
I had read that the WW2 era bombs were cast steel, and unsuited for use in Black Buck. Later 1000lb bombs were machined steel and wouldn’t shatter as much upon detonation. It’s probably guff, but who knows ?
I once watched one of these doing circuit and bumps at a British Aerospace airfield. I was some distance away but I could be my whole body vibrating from the power of the engines. There is video of the Vulcan and the B-52 taking off from the same airfield. In the distance the B-52 took to lift off the Vulcan would be up and clear of the airfield. The wing gave so much lift that the Vulcan crews joked that given a gun they could dogfight any Soviet fighter jets sent to intercept them. Actually at 60,000 feet the lift from the wing meant that they could outturn Soviet jets. At the time they were built they and the Victor had the most advanced wings in the world. Not bad considering they were designed the old fashioned way with pen, paper and slide rules. Many were based not far from where I live and I remember as a child watching these white triangle flying overhead. Many a night I could hear them flying high above me when I laid in bed. Interestingly, considering what they were carrying, I always felt safer knowing they were up there.
The rarely seen and less popular Vulcan stablemate Victor got a cameo appearance in the British comedy "The iron maiden" where a white version rather bizarrely portrays a prototype air liner. Something that AVRO actually had plans to do to the Vulcan.
Now the Avro Arrow, I understand that you have other things planned, so I will just wait for when you do decide to make a video about the Arrow. Take care, and all the best.
The sound of the Avro Vulcan over Port Stanley still lingers in my mind to this day. It was terrifying and a manifets of the UK's gloriest pasts. The aircraft reminds me of the first UK's female Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher during the Falkland crisis. That was best memory of British victory in modern time.
Usually when I hear the Avro name I think of the Avro Arrow, cancelled by Diefenbaker for F-101 Voodoo aircraft & Bomarc missiles. Its a crying shame this happened
1:31 ? Actually I think this is an Avro 707. Contemporary of Vulcan and very rare. Also seen in formation flights at Farnborough 1953. Edit: oops I posted before I finished the video. I don’t feel smug anymore.
@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq i find it extremly honored that you answered every single of my comments yet. You dont know what it means to me. Btw yes i am not native english speaker but still trying my best ^^
I was hoping you would mention the Britian vs America war games, mark Felton made a video on it which is where I saw it, and oh boy, were the Americans not happy!
Interesting Fact:
The Avro Vulcan was considered to be retired but the Falkland War delayed it.
Not only that during the Falkland War the RAF had to acquire parts and pieces from museums and scrap yards to get the bombers and flying tankers into flying condition, pilots had to learn on the fly, and the most humorous there was one critical part on the bomber that was needed for flight and the engineers and mechanics manage to locate the part that was being used as an ash tray in a break room.
Is that a fact?😂
@@indigohammer5732yes. It was told in both the book *"Vulcan 607"* by Rowland White and the Documentary *"XM607: Falklands' Most Daring Raid"*
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From what I can gather, the main benefit of the Blackbuck raids was not the damage they did to Stanley airport so much as the fact that they showed they could reach Argentina, which resulted in the Argentine air force pretty much being withdrawn to the mainland.
An accurate assessment, it was more a psychological mission as an operational one. Just as the first RAF attacks on Berlin in WWII, letting the enemy know you can touch them at home is a great asset. Same as the Doolittle raid on Japan, little real damage but it made the Japanese hold fighters in the home islands.
@@itsjohndell... Japan also kept some of their more experienced pilots on the Home Islands for defense due to Doolittle doing a lot to their morale.
It did the same job HMS victory did....it kept a the navy and air force away from the island
@@warpartyattheoutpost4987 The Japanese had the same plan with their I-400 seaplane carrying subs. If even one such plane loaded with a biological payload as the Japanese resorted to later on when they realized they couldn't mass produced these for entire air-raids had successfully carried out their attack,it would've dented American morale regardless if it had done any damage or not. Especially since when the Navy conceived the plan for it,German subs were still torpedoing ships in East coast ports every now and then along with Japanese subs occasionally doing small attacks on the West coast
@@itsjohndell
Those two were exactly what I was thinking of when the questionable value of the black buck missions was brought up... It sent a message, not only to the Argentine forces and populace, but to the rest of the world, too.
(Long, rambling O/T angent here- I wonder what would have happened if the Brits chose to invoke article five of the NATO charter (mutual defense)? It's a thorny issue, since the Falklands were out of the NATO cold war field of concern, but they also WERE sovereign territory of a NATO member (and the #2 member, at that)...
I wonder if NATO would have entered the conflict, or just dithered about the technicalities, which would have been disastrous for the alliance's credibility. Two decades later, article 5 was invoked for the first and thus far only time (in response to 9/11), and the entire alliance fulfilled its obligations in a circumstance that was marginally similar- as Afghanistan was clearly not part if the North Atlantic theatre.
I suspect that there was some back-channel diplomacy that may have prevented NATO from coming to the UK's aid. (Perhaps supported by a belief that the UK should and could win on it's own, without calling to it's friends for help?)
Though, if NATO DID get into the conflict, I couldn't see any outcome other than
A- an immediate and total surrender and withdrawal on the part of Argentina, (after, perhaps, some face saving gestures) and,
B- NATO being more openly characterized and perceived as a global ruling cabal outside of the international order of the U.N, etc.
I wonder if the benefits would have outweighed the accompanying negative global perception of NATO, which could have strengthened the Warsaw Pact and other alliances that were dedicated to curb the growing hegemonic power of the USA, and to end colonialism.
Thoughts?
(And, it is kinda fun to speculate upon what forces NATO could've brought to bear in that conflict... Even one carrier group, one MEU, or a dozen-ish nuclear attack subs and a few AA destroyers would have absolutely routed anything Argentina could have brought to the table).
That engine noise is unsettling, like the mating cry of some prehistoric behemoth.
Ah yes, Thunderball. After the movie’s release, the Royal Marine Commandos contacted the movie’s producers, eager to get their hands on the teeny, tiny rebreather used by James Bond. Alas, such a rebreather was just a movie prop.
However, another company used it as the inspiration for their portable, small pressurized air cylinder, used for casual scuba diving. 🐶
not military per se..but scuba diving, flasks, and rebreathers "in the movies" could be a welcome topic!
@@oddballsok, great idea!
There is a vulcan on display at the RAF museum in North West London and it is huge. It has a dozen cars and trucks parked underneath the aircraft. It has other aircraft like the B-17 and Avro Lancaster bombers and they were tiny in comparison.
A free entry museum and worth spending the day there.
Mark Felton on one of his UA-cam channels did a post about the Vulcan landing in S. American after the raid on the Falkland Islands. It caused a scandal at the time and in itself is a real 'boys own' adventure story.
Thanks Johnny for the overview on this fantastic aircraft. 👌
I’ve seen that aircraft up close at East Fortune near Edinburgh
My high school physics teacher crewed one of these during the Falklands War. He would talk about them during the quieter lesson days.
My dad who's not the biggest fan of military equipment and such can always name and cite the Avro Vulcan off the top of his head, it fascinated him as a kid and still does to this day, in no small part in being a futuristic Avro aircraft that was shown off only a few years before the Avro branch here in Canada was shut down along with the Avro Arrow. I guess he sees the Vulcan as a surrogate for the Avro aircraft that could have been here.
Still really cool to see every time just the same.
I was fortunate in 1988 to see a flying Vulcan at an airshow. In Guam of all places!
Another interesting fact, 1960 i was a member of 101sqd when we were invited to visit Agentina so off went with 2 Vulcans and spent a great 6 weeks with the Argy airforce, the tango clubs were somethingelse!!
I spent many hours in Malta guarding the Vulcan when i had to do guard duty back in 1975 to 1978.
The RAF base where the Vulcan was based is now closed ie RAF Waddington.
I remember seeing one of these at a airshow 80s... I was very young but remember the screaming sound and volume that was shockingly loud.
Sadly no Vulcans remain in flying condition today. The last one was retired off the airshow circuit around 2014 due to costs. I was lucking enough to see it fly then at the Duxford Airshow. The distinctive howling sound it makes is truly like none other and really leaves an impression on you.
Like a Stuka.. ?
A Vulcan flew over my house. 2019 I think. Wilmslow, cheshire
2015 at the latest. I saw one of her last flights at Church Fenton in 2015.
There is surviving vulan 1 flew end of last year over my flat ( I'm on Southend airport flight path)
With avros ,spits, red devils on way to airshow (not Southend airshow) using Southend airport as refueling, checks etc over 2-3 days.
I propose future videos on the B-1 and B-2 bombers, Johnny
Fun fact
The guy who designed the Lancaster - roy chadwick-
Designed the Vulcan less than 10 years later! 😮
This inspired me to find some 3D printed miniature Avro Vulcans online. Definitely adding them to our Axis&Allies game for the UK during the Cold War.
You must have the most impressive and expansive axis and allies game out there by now 🤘
@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq, the party never ends... patience to paint the pieces for proper presentation is the primary problem.
The Vulcan was designed by Sir Roy Chadwick, who designed the Avro Lancaster, and the Avro Manchester, although, like R. J. Mitchell, he did not live to see it fly. (Both died of cancer).
Live long and proper Johnny, see ya next time.
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@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq did you know Picard aka Patrick Stewart is a Huddersfield fan, and drinks Taylor's Yorkshire tea..😊
If you've never seen or heard one fly, you don't know the sheer joy you've missed
I've been lucky enough to see one fly at an air show, on take off it set off every car alarm in the carpark, it's definitely a noise you feel more than hear
I have fond memories of feeling my internal organs quivering when XH558 displayed! I wish she was still flying...
I learned about the black buck raids in the RAFAC, my Sergeant was very enthusiastic about it and I could see why
great video,,also worth noting only 10 years between the Vulcan and the Lancaster
Watching the Vulcan fly always reminded me of Rodan
When I was at Lakenheath the RAF were still flying some of them. Without doubt the most beautiful Bomber ever built. A little side note to the Blackbuck mission, I was party to the signals, Reagan had the Victor tankers shadowed by KC-135's in case if needed they could re-fuel the Vulcans. We were in that raid all the way...quietly. I agreed with nothing else Ms Thatcher did but she did what needed to be done in the Falklands Conflict. If she had let Argentina keep the islands it would have been the end of Britain as a major power.
I viewed one on display near Edinburgh. It’s one of the “Black Buck” aircraft. On the side, under the cockpit window are two painted silhouettes of Shrike anti radar missiles, launched against Argentinian AAA systems, and a Small Brazilian flag. This commemorates it’s internment in Rio after running short of fuel. We gave the Argies the good news several different ways!
Such a beauty and that engine howl . Glad I got to see her fly again. Pity she isn't still flying
I got to see one of these in the RAF museum. They had a giant flatscreen in the open bomb bay that displayed a video about the plane, and there was still room to spare.
Speaking of planes with Sci-fi designs, I imagine the Horton 229, F-117, and B-2 Spirit will get their videos someday
I am a simple man with simple needs. I just want to brew my own beer and fly a Avro Vulcan Bomber Aircraft.
Mirosft flight simulator
Same but grow my own weed
and fly the AH-64 Apache attack helicopter. ✌🏻
You have my permission
Having the rare pister of the bomber in my room is more then I could ask for. I'm 70 today and still keep the poster as one of my most precious treasures. I have no intention to keep even the B2 and B21 on my wall. The only posters of aircraft I treasures most are the Spitfire Hurricane, US P-51 Mustang and the Avro Vulcan Bomber.
With some modernizations and upgrades such as replacing the Rolls-Royce Olympus turbojets with Rolls-Royce Conway or Spey turbofans as used in various flying engine testbed variants, the Avro Vulcan could have served longer until the late 1990s or early 2000s carrying Paveway or JDAM smart bombs and Storm Shadow cruise missiles.
Tests were done with hanging 3 x Paveway Laser Guided bombs on 1 carrier on a Vulcan. I was involved in the tests. But ultimately they decided to retire the Vulcan.
@@Andy.Gledhill.Models., how fatigued were the airframes?
@@warpartyattheoutpost4987 No idea mate, sorry. But considering a Vulcan was still flying as late as 2015, probably not enough to warrant grounding.
@@Andy.Gledhill.Models.... that's too bad. What a waste! We've still so many lessons to be learned from these older birds.
Hell yeah. Another aircraft we have at our museum.
I saw one at the Woodford air show in Cheshire in the early 70s. It was amazing to see it do a low level pass with a wingtip turn whilst those engines shrieked like a banshee. On a side note, at the same show the Red Arrows performed and I swear that when I waved at them one of the pilots waved back. Given that we were in a field and therefore there were less people about in that area maybe the pilot thought "what the hell!".
I have seen the last flying vulcan fly such an amazing aircraft thanks for this video
XH558 was retired in 2015, and hasn't flown since. It will be cut up into sections to move it from its homebase airport that closed recently.
The fictional Delta Wing from Forza Horizon 4 was almost certainly meant to be a proper Vulcan. The showcase event where you race against it in an Aston Martin Vulcan would have seen the event called 'Vulcan Vs Vulcan', like the Mustang Vs Mustang event from the original Forza Horizon. Ultimately, it seems the rights to use the design could not be obtained, and a similar fictional craft was used instead.
I see Johnny Johnson video, I click like
My man 👍
Same here, no problem...😊
A Vulcan used to make a regular appearance at the Canadian National Exhibition Airshow in Toronto. I saw it many times there. A long time ago now.
I Saw One as a Kid. It's Looked Like the Monster Rodan. (smile)
One of the great aircraft designs from AVRO. Too bad the CF-105 Arrow did not get into full production. Saw it at an airshow one year. Awesome sound. It look so graceful in the sky, but it was grimly functional. Not a lot of people outside of Britain knew of the aircraft until Thunderball. Thunderball was probably the most important thing for the Vulcan. It showed the world what an aircraft it was. Thanks for posting this bit of history.
Will make an arrow video before to long. Canadian myself.
@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq And the CF-100, great all weather interceptor. February 20th, 1959 a sad day for all Canadians.
excellent coverage as usual Johnny. This was one I wasn't familiar with.
I almost skipped past it as i thought it was a star trek video from a different channel!
My goodness, Johnny hits the Jetstream....,privileged as a youngster to hear..before I saw it above me in Norfolk in 1978...totally amazing..and climbing aboard one at RAF Cosford...Awesome...I believe is the best transatlantic word...nice one ,Johnny...peace and love from Clabby Towers...currently confined to camp..had a fall...surgery now physio...it's the one you don't see coming that gets ya...still misbehaven...but Mrs C,s keeping me in line..sometimes...
I was hoping you'd see this one! Hope you are feeling better and the surgery went well? I'll try to have a few more British videos out this month for ya.
@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq that would be cool...look forward to seeing those...still breathing and misbehaven...but as mentioned Mrs C is keeping everything on an even keel...cheers, Johnny....E...
An impressive aircraft indeed! I've seen the one they have at the Castle Air Museum in California. A very beautiful aircraft! Another great vid Johnny!👍
I was fortunate enough to see several flights of Vulcan XH558, including one of the last ones at Church Fenton in 2015. This beauty would absolutely draw crowds where ever she flew! There used to be an app on smartphones which would tell owners where XH558 would be flying, you had to get there early, because the area would be packed with cars in short order!
Big old flying wings. Nice video
I love the ending. Great video. I love what you do. I am a Bond fan and a Star Trek fan.
Mate, I've subbed your channel recently, around a month or so ago. Have gone back to view older content as well. Just wanted to say thanks for the interesting and well researched content, time and time again!
Thanks man really appreciate hearing that 🙏
I was an Armourer in the RAF. I was part of the team that bombed up the Vulcan's on Ascension Island during the Falklands war. The best detachment I ever went on. But the iron bombs you mention in the video are not WW2 bombs. 1000lb bombs used during WW2 were a different shape than the more modern bombs we used. I don't exactly know when the standard 1000lb bomb entered service in the RAF. Late 1950's maybe. The ones used by Vulcan's were Mk11 and 12's. By the time I left the RAF in 2002, we had moved onto Mk20 1000lb bombs with 960 fuses. The overall size and shape of the bomb stayed the same though. XH558, that was the last Vulcan in a flyable state, was grounded in 2015. She is privately owned by a trust, so must have a Civilian Aviation Authority Certificate to fly. This was withdrawn in 2015 because the engineering authorities such as BAE and Marshalls aviation, withdrew their engineering support. The aircraft was unable to get a certificate to continue flying. This is a crying shame, because there is nothing better at an airshow than a display by a Vulcan.
Awesome to hear from you and your experience! I got that information from the book "Vulcan 607" and a channel 4 documentary. They were saying that the UK's stockpile of bombs was near depleted in the 1980s and they had to scrounge up iron bombs from the WW2 era which were used in 607 during Black Buck 1 and during immediate training before the mission. Do you think they were just being sensational and maybe they just meant they were the same "type" of bomb? I'm definitely inclined to believe someone with hands on experience.
@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq Yes mate. They were wrong. Each frontline RAF station had a stockpile of 1000lb bombs. It depended on what aircraft the station operated. EG at RAF Waddington where I worked from 1979 to 1984. The bomb dump has 5 rows of outside bomb storage bays. With 10 bays in each row. Each bay usually held 125 x 1000lb bombs. That is 6250 bombs. That is just one RAF station. RAF Scampton operated Vulcan's too, plus Connigsby and Finningley. All would have had bomb dumps. But if you look at the satellite images these days. You cannot see where the bomb dumps used to be. Its true that they had to re-equip the Vulcan to drop iron bombs. Because for years, it had trained to just drop 1 nuclear bomb. I worked on them too, but I don't talk about that much lol. They had to refit the standard bombing computer and other stuff, then quickly train with it. The pylons that the Shrike missiles were fired from, were completely made in the station workshops section. After the Vulcan left service in 1984 all the 1000lb bombs at Waddington were got rid of. Probably because they were all Mk11 and Mk12 bombs. When I was at RAF Marham in Norfolk late 80's to early 90's, we had Mk20 1000lb bombs. These days I do not know what the bomb situation is like. EG you cannot see many in the satellite image of the bomb dump at Marham.
Thanks Andrew. Well considering the author was 11 at the time of the war and I was yet to be born I'm going with your experience on this one. No need to make this piece of history anymore colorful than it already was. Really appreciate having you comment with your experience.
@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq No problem mate. Tell you what. Found your email address. I will send you some photo's of that time.
I had read that the WW2 era bombs were cast steel, and unsuited for use in Black Buck. Later 1000lb bombs were machined steel and wouldn’t shatter as much upon detonation. It’s probably guff, but who knows ?
The Avro Vulcan also makes its only appearance in the Ace Combat series in a _single, optional mission_ in Ace Combat 5.
seems a bit out of place in a game like that. then again WWII era aircraft have appeared in other Ace Combat titles.
@@backlash9657 It appeared along side B-52s as enemy bomber aircraft to shoot down.
@@cac_deadlyrang the B-52 and Tu-95 still fly, albeit both have seen upgrades. Imagine how a modern Avro Vulcan could look...
@@DeNihility Yeah. Ace Combat 5 is set in 2010.
Allegedly, both USA and Russia want to keep those bombers running until around when Ace Combat 3 takes place... ☠
I once watched one of these doing circuit and bumps at a British Aerospace airfield. I was some distance away but I could be my whole body vibrating from the power of the engines.
There is video of the Vulcan and the B-52 taking off from the same airfield. In the distance the B-52 took to lift off the Vulcan would be up and clear of the airfield. The wing gave so much lift that the Vulcan crews joked that given a gun they could dogfight any Soviet fighter jets sent to intercept them. Actually at 60,000 feet the lift from the wing meant that they could outturn Soviet jets. At the time they were built they and the Victor had the most advanced wings in the world. Not bad considering they were designed the old fashioned way with pen, paper and slide rules.
Many were based not far from where I live and I remember as a child watching these white triangle flying overhead. Many a night I could hear them flying high above me when I laid in bed. Interestingly, considering what they were carrying, I always felt safer knowing they were up there.
Excellent post 😊
The rarely seen and less popular Vulcan stablemate Victor got a cameo appearance in the British comedy "The iron maiden" where a white version rather bizarrely portrays a prototype air liner. Something that AVRO actually had plans to do to the Vulcan.
Thanks Johnny, actually saw it fly at an air show the vibrations set car alarms off
They are literally giant dragons.
Your interlacing "Thunderball" footage and obvious other referencing to that great Work of Art, with the quintessential 007... Well, SO good..
Wish my boy Arado would have still been here , although in either czech or east german roundels.
Nothing says Cold War like the Vulcan.
You make great videos. Keep it up!
Now the Avro Arrow, I understand that you have other things planned, so I will just wait for when you do decide to make a video about the Arrow.
Take care, and all the best.
That's actually on my list and one a look forward to doing 👍
After WW2 the British Aerospace industry was way ahead of the US for a time.
One of the most eye pleasing planes I have ever seen.
One of the best sounding ones as well! Instead of the screaming of modern jets, this beauty let out a low rumble which quivered your internal organs!
Harriers and Vulcans strike at our command
1:44 Alright Godzilla learned to fly a damn jet
I know right?
Great video, 10/10
Wow I'm late but keep up the good content johnny :)
The sound of the Avro Vulcan over Port Stanley still lingers in my mind to this day. It was terrifying and a manifets of the UK's gloriest pasts. The aircraft reminds me of the first UK's female Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher during the Falkland crisis. That was best memory of British victory in modern time.
The engine howl is almost flying dinosaur like.
Have you done a video on the B 52
YEAH BABY! THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR!
I got you!
I suggest videos on the:
1861 Springfield
Baker rifle
Long Rifle
Mosin Nagant
Arisaka
There was one on display at Blackpool airport UK which you could climb into the cockpit
Hey Johnny. I know this seems out of your reach, but I love to see you talk about the dc-3 or the Lockheed Electra.
Great old bird!!!
A delta wing is very hard to stall a plane and the Falkland's raid they had tankers to supply other tankers for the Vulcan
Usually when I hear the Avro name I think of the Avro Arrow, cancelled by Diefenbaker for F-101 Voodoo aircraft & Bomarc missiles. Its a crying shame this happened
On the topic of British weapon maybe the sterling smg in films for a future video idea.
Nice video! any chance we might get the f-105?
Good choice.
Imagine this was built 71 years ago
美しい機体ですね。
It look’s so cool
Awesome plane. Shame it seems to be a bit of a rare sight in media.
Imagine if the Vulcan were still in service and all the modern weapons technology it would have
1:31 ? Actually I think this is an Avro 707. Contemporary of Vulcan and very rare. Also seen in formation flights at Farnborough 1953. Edit: oops I posted before I finished the video. I don’t feel smug anymore.
Good eye! 👍
Sehr gutes video
Danke
@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq i find it extremly honored that you answered every single of my comments yet. You dont know what it means to me. Btw yes i am not native english speaker but still trying my best ^^
beautiful airplane!
oh hi there! if you read this you must know of my journey to get johnny to make the m16 has been answered right?
The cockpit only had 2 ejector seats the poor flight engineer had to try and scramble out😱
I was hoping you would mention the Britian vs America war games, mark Felton made a video on it which is where I saw it, and oh boy, were the Americans not happy!
how do pilots use the restroom
They dont. They have pee bags on them
Your ride will be shaken, not stirred.
FIRST! I LOVE YOU JOHNNY!
Honestly prefer the Victor
bottles
Really great show start to finish. Eisenstein would be proud of you. Will check out more of yer work.
CODENAME:"Thunderball.". --M
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IS THAT ADOLF HITLER!?
1:37 it sounds like a whale
how dare you!!!!!!!!
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Not a Vulcan @1.31 that is a Fairy Delta 2
I put it in there as I was pretty sure it was an Avro 707 tester for the Vulcan
@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq its tricky - but the 707 has a shallower leading edge sweep and a shorter tail pipe