Interesting fact: Master System games on the Wii Virtual Console that support the FM synthesis add on can play with the FM synthesis sound. Turn it on by pressing the - button while playing the game to bring up a menu and select "FM Synthesis on."
@tigheklory There is a guy on SMSPower, can't remember his username, but he makes the FM expansion boards, and he has some instructions on how to add it to both the PowerBase converter and the GameGear. BTW This is the best comment posted to me that i have seen all day. A troll is hanging around my channel for the past 3 days now.
where can you buy the add on for the US model one Master System? I can't seem to find it. The one that just plugs into the expansion port. Thanks. Love the vids.
@drivojulianrobotnik The reason for this is the Creative SoundBlaster AWE64 has a Yamaha YMF-262 FM synthesizer built in. The YMF-262 is, think of it as the YM2413's Younger sister. Both the YMF-262 and the YM2413 are the two offsprings of the YM3812. The YM2413 being a stripped down, cost-reduced version, and the YMF-262 being the more advanced version.
omg. i really didnt expect such a huge difference. but wtf. its like an entirely different chip! thanks so much! i cant wait to find a chip for my master system! (when i get one)
It'd ecxplain why theres an add-on port! Also they did mention plans for using the expansion ports in the past in the press. But I thought it would have been for a computer add-on back then.
OPL2 and OPLL are completely different FM Synthesis chip types, so I can't use a YM3812 instead of the YM2413. FYI, I have NO RadioShack up in Canada(all RadioShacks up here have been replaced by The Source), and I'm pretty sure that even if there was a RadioShack in my area, there wouldn't be a YM2413(I've checked 2 stores specializing in electronics in my area, and NOT ONE has the YM2413 or the YM3812).
One thing I've noticed between the Japanese and Western Master Systems is that the Western one has "Base Unit" written on the front. So could Sega originally have intended that to be an introductory system for the range, like MS does with the Arcade 360 system? It also adds weight when you see that games only ever released in the west such as Wonder Boy III were FM compatible, so the decision was there at one point, but very final games like Alex Kidd in Shinobi World didn't.
@Adam060756 1) If you have a JP Mark III with the FM expansion module attached, then you just have to unplug it in order to have those games back with PSG sound. 2) If you have a JP SMS with FM chip built in, then no. This way you will always hear the game with the FM sound by default and won't be able to go back to PSG sound by any mean. 3) If you have a western console with the FM chip soldered in it through homemade procedure, then you'll have to remove it, which is not as handy as done in 1)
@Lachlant1984 None of the Sonic games on the SMS had support for the Yamaha chip unfortunately. My favorites are Afterburner, Shinobi, and the Japanese version of Phantasy Star. Those really benefit from the chip.
I just started working on an FM soundfont too (inspired by yours). It's called MD/FDS FUSION (it uses samples from both MegaDrive and Famicom Disk System. I might release mine soon... btw its my first soundfont.
The exclusion of the FM chip in western Master Systems makes sense from a historical perspective. While FM chips had been around in home and business computers for quite some time in Japan, computers and video games in the west pretty much all still had crude and simple tone generators when the Master System was released (save the C64 and Amiga (the Amiga still being quite expensive)). So, the demand for better sound must have been higher in the Japanese market, since they hade been "spoiled."
Great vid. Anyone know if the chip works with wonderboy: the dragons trap? I loved the music in that game as it was but would love to hear it improved.
Because there is no YM2413 chip. the Genesis has a YM2612. but there now exists the Power Base FM by DB Electronics which is a Power Base Converter with a built in YM2413 :) also the newest Everdrives emulate the YM2413 perfectly!
@MN12BIRD Well it did turn out that way later on. Especially the cut down Master system 2. I remember seeing Master system consoles for sale for £35 in a catalogue towards the end of the format's life.
Why didn't they think to at least include this in the Power Base Converter. The Genesis already had the 2612, surely there was a method of conversion, since they sound very similar.
@gerger72 There are also several games that had FM code in them, but were not released, in Japan, so the whole world never got to listen to they're FM music. (Unless an FM expansion board was installed or they had a Japanese SMS and region adaptor) Rampage is the only game i know that has FM but was never released in Japan, but there are other games too.
So it must have been a plan to release the add-on here until they gave up towards the end of it's life to concentrate on the Mega Drive. Also, Why did the Game Gear never have the FM sound chip either?
We all know what Sonic sounds like on the Mega Drive, we also know what Sonic sounds like on the Master System without the FM sound chip. What I want to know is what does Sonic sound like on the Japanese Master System with the FM sound chip fitted? Has anyone uploaded any video demonstrations?
OR because the Master System came out in the West first, and therefore not aware of the add-on. They added it in Japan otherwise the machine wouldn't have sold as it'd be considered a step down.
Does anybody know if the SMS games that enable the FM YM2413 sound chip can also be disabled so we can still have the choice of hearing the games in regular PSG sound?
@MN12BIRD leerees basically told you what the situation was with the console in Europe from 1991 (that is, after the Mega Drive was released in late 1990) until 1996. Not only the price cut it had was that of a budget system, but it also got lots and lots of games shared with the Mega Drive (downgraded versions) and the Game Gear (converted versions) from that year on. And even with that, it still received some cool original games like Ninja Gaiden or Power Strike II.
Honestly I don't know that much about the FDS sound. My opinion would be that it does more for the SMS than it did the NES (the NES already had better music than the SMS stock for stock) and my guess would be there are more SMS games that took advantage of the FM sound than FC games did. But that's just my guess!
If i'm not mistaken, the master system uses a form of fm synthesis anyways... this probably is a better quality chip and I suspect it layers several voices onto the same channels... my guess is the master system has 4 tracks for 4 synth voices... this chip addon would essentially need to read the same hex code already programmed and would need to know where to make the change.
yes the optional fm soundchip is awesome cuzz sounds simmilar like genesis. yes it,s sad that sega removed the enhanced fm soundchip in the west. i wonder if the gamegear also had external soundpin option.
The Genesis uses a newer generation Yamaha chip (YM2612) which can operate as 6 FM channels or 5 FM and 1 PCM channel. I don't think anyone has come up with a mod yet to play FM Sound from Master System games on the Genesis' Yamaha chip rather than its PSG chip (same as what the Master System uses for its "normal" sound). Someone should though!
+Automatik You can actually buy a brand new power base converter from stoneagegamer dot com that lets you play SMS games on your Genesis and get the upgraded FM sound!
That's the DB Electronics Power Base FM! I watched his videos testing it out earlier, including with the Sonic 1 SMS FM hack ;) And now the newest Everdrives emulate the YM2413 perfectly :)
maybe an addon was something they planned if they made money from the SMS, but the gamegear didnt have any FM chip cause it would cost a lot to make the chip smaller to fit the game gear
Once again SEGA messed up, outside of Japan the SMS was always regarded as having really poor sound and now I know the reason why. IF the FM chip had been included, the SMS very likely would have been received quite differently and appraised higher on the retro scene. Is it easy get hold of the Japanese SMS if you live in Europe?
interesting facts! if SEGA had choosen to release this as a standard feature in the west the Master system would have been superior to the NES sonically as well (or at least in my opinion). they could have used this as sell's argument at the time. Double dragon sounds great! great boost to the kick drum
Even back in '86 I thought the SMS sound was pretty terrible. It got on your nerves unlike the NES. It was pretty hard going from tunes on SMB and Zelda to Double Dragon and Rampage... What I really wish though is that they either built the Yamaha FM chip it into the Power Base Converter for the Genesis or were somehow able to tap into the Genesis's FM synth chip. It would have been great to relive all of the SMS games on the Gen around that time, especially after we were used to the Gen sound.
@deathworm101 Altered Beast, California Games, Casino Games, Cloud Master, Galaxy Force, Golfamania, Out Run 3-D, Poseidon Wars 3-D, Rastan, Rescue Mission, Scramble Spirits, Shanghai, Tennis Ace, Time Soldiers, Ultima IV, Vigilante and Wonder Boy: The Dragon's Trap are all the others.
why is it that sometimes the 8 bit one sounds more appealing than the FM synth one, but others the FM sounds superior. for most of them I actually prefered the 8 bit sound aside from the last one you played where it sounded superior with FM
Informative video (though could have been edited a bit), but you fail to point out the fact that a handful of north american games did have the FM chip built into the cartridge itself. Phantasy Star and Golvellius are two I can think of off hand.
umm you do realize that they are exactly the same thing right? so that mega drive thing and the genesis sound exactly the same. i thought about everyone knew this.
@MN12BIRD The FM YM2413 in Fusion is OK, But if you compare FreezeSMS with a real YM2413, FreezeSMS is more accurate, and sound almost exactly the same.
Master system was quite popular in my country,it sounded fine even without the FM synthesis. When I play it on emulators,though I have the option to change to FM synthesis on some games as you know,I still prefer it unchanged. With FM it sounds too ''midi''which is a bit annoying to my ears.
never came out in the in North America though it was planned. funny thing is all North American Master System games still support it if it is detected.
I came here to listen to SMS and FM Synthesis and all I got was a bunch of video of other game consoles while Sega CD music plays :p Might wanna remove unnecessary intros like that in the future.
I can see why nobody bothered to by this chip, the SMS is a budget games console, anyone wanting better sound and graphics would have just brought a megadrive / genesis instead of wasting their money on this. The megadrives sound was awesome. Even today some of the tunes still sound great, mainly streets of rage etc.
although the Master System continued to be sold alongside the Genesis / Mega Drive after it came out, it was actually the predecessor in the mid to late 80s (depending on market)
That's what really pisses me off: Japan gets most of the good stuff. And now, I'm running all over the place trying to find a Yamaha keyboard with the YM2413 in it(I know that the Yamaha PSS-170 and PSR-6 have the YM2413 in them). I was going to build my own FM Synthesis circuit, but I guess I can also get the Sega Mark III FM Synthesis unit and plug it into my Master System(not so much "plug in" as it is to take the entire FM Synthesis unit apart and integrate it into a US Master System).
In my personal opinion, the music playback on the SMS is slightly inferior to the NES without the FM Sound chip, it's such a shame that Sega didn't release the US/European versions of the Master System with the FM Synth chip, damn you Sega!. No wonder the SMS was sold to Tonka Toys and eventually went balls up.
wait what? you are not making any sense. why are you going to get a keyboard just to get a chip. it's a whole lot cheaper and easier to get the chip at a place like radio shack. the ym3812 is basically the same chip too BTW. from wiki "The YM2413, also called OPLL, is a cost-reduced sound chip manufactured by Yamaha Corporation and based on their YM3812 (OPL2). To make the chip cheaper to manufacture, many of the internal registers were removed." wikipedia org / wiki / Yamaha_YM2413
List of Games to compare Gain Ground Echo the dolphin Funky Bob AKA B.O.B. (Electronic arts lol) Although, thats the difference between master system, and genesis.
I couldn't agree with you more, Sega should have included the FM chip in ALL versions of the Master System, and all the games that supported should have been released all over the world, as it is, I personally think the Master System sounds worse than the NES.
I reckon it was because Sega didnt have the money, to distribute the master system with a better sound chip, all over the world, Japan is one country, but Sega might have opted to cut costs around the world.
It's such a shame that the US and European/PAL versions of the Master System didn't come with the FM synth chip in them, the FM chip sounds so much better than the standard Master System, I personally prefer the sound of the NES over the Master System, I think the NES sounds better than the Master System.
What the fuck! Here in Australia we didn't get that FM sound chip either! So America,England,Europe and Australia only had the standard 8-bit audio chip ah? While Japan gets Mega Drive sound for there Master Systems! That's not fair! We really did get ripped off!
god dammit, why is youtube being so fucking shitty this morning. its been buffering for like 6 minutes. like I understand its the fourth most visited site in the world, but that means more money for more servers.
What year did Brazil release their first Master System I, II, Master System III Compact, and Master System 3 Collection?????????????????????????????????????????????????????? I will give 1 Million Dollars for the correct answers!!!!
Cheers ^_^ Did I ever tell you I've got a Mega Jet? complete fucking waste of time, it's a Nomad without a screen! Then again who the hell thought a console designed to playing solely on aeroplanes was a good idea in the first place?
whoooaaah sounds actualy like genesis. sega had to promote their console as lichtyears more powerfull then the nes cuzz it really was. they shut had to come early with the slogan what sega does nintendo,nt,cuzz it,s true. the genesis was actualy based on mastersystem technology with some expanded memory and a 16bit proccesors!!!!!!
Interesting fact: Master System games on the Wii Virtual Console that support the FM synthesis add on can play with the FM synthesis sound. Turn it on by pressing the - button while playing the game to bring up a menu and select "FM Synthesis on."
@tigheklory There is a guy on SMSPower, can't remember his username, but he makes the FM expansion boards, and he has some instructions on how to add it to both the PowerBase converter and the GameGear.
BTW This is the best comment posted to me that i have seen all day. A troll is hanging around my channel for the past 3 days now.
Now in Brazil, the Master System is invading the locar market by here, and it's selling kinda good... They even have a Guitar Hero port by here! :P
I honestly like the SMS sound quality more. It just stands out more to me.
You mean PSG. SMS is the system not the sound chip!
where can you buy the add on for the US model one Master System? I can't seem to find it. The one that just plugs into the expansion port.
Thanks. Love the vids.
I deem this must know information for all SMS players. Excellent video.
Because the FM chip on the Genesis wasn't the same as the Master System's, that's why (I think).
@drivojulianrobotnik The reason for this is the Creative SoundBlaster AWE64 has a Yamaha YMF-262 FM synthesizer built in. The YMF-262 is, think of it as the YM2413's Younger sister. Both the YMF-262 and the YM2413 are the two offsprings of the YM3812. The YM2413 being a stripped down, cost-reduced version, and the YMF-262 being the more advanced version.
The YM2413 is based on the 3812. It has 15 hardcoded instruments and one user instrument.
omg. i really didnt expect such a huge difference. but wtf. its like an entirely different chip! thanks so much! i cant wait to find a chip for my master system! (when i get one)
It'd ecxplain why theres an add-on port!
Also they did mention plans for using the expansion ports in the past in the press. But I thought it would have been for a computer add-on back then.
the double dragon comparison sound is more noticeable than the other ones mentioned in the video.
I wonder if any of the Sonic games for the SMS could use the FM sound chip?
OPL2 and OPLL are completely different FM Synthesis chip types, so I can't use a YM3812 instead of the YM2413.
FYI, I have NO RadioShack up in Canada(all RadioShacks up here have been replaced by The Source), and I'm pretty sure that even if there was a RadioShack in my area, there wouldn't be a YM2413(I've checked 2 stores specializing in electronics in my area, and NOT ONE has the YM2413 or the YM3812).
HA HA! KNEW i herd that music from somewhere! Good old days with the Sega CD :)
Sega going crazy with the add-ons way back, gotta love Sega. They always had to try something.
One thing I've noticed between the Japanese and Western Master Systems is that the Western one has "Base Unit" written on the front.
So could Sega originally have intended that to be an introductory system for the range, like MS does with the Arcade 360 system?
It also adds weight when you see that games only ever released in the west such as Wonder Boy III were FM compatible, so the decision was there at one point, but very final games like Alex Kidd in Shinobi World didn't.
What is the connection between the 1986 Us Sega Master System I and Japan selling this system later in 1987?
I wonder if the Genesis FM chip would work in the Master System
@Adam060756 1) If you have a JP Mark III with the FM expansion module attached, then you just have to unplug it in order to have those games back with PSG sound. 2) If you have a JP SMS with FM chip built in, then no. This way you will always hear the game with the FM sound by default and won't be able to go back to PSG sound by any mean. 3) If you have a western console with the FM chip soldered in it through homemade procedure, then you'll have to remove it, which is not as handy as done in 1)
@Lachlant1984 None of the Sonic games on the SMS had support for the Yamaha chip unfortunately. My favorites are Afterburner, Shinobi, and the Japanese version of Phantasy Star. Those really benefit from the chip.
I just started working on an FM soundfont too (inspired by yours). It's called MD/FDS FUSION (it uses samples from both MegaDrive and Famicom Disk System. I might release mine soon... btw its my first soundfont.
hi... uh....can you link me to where i can find an adapter thing for an ameican master system?
@weaponx013 SMS Power themselves don't sell it, but viletim on the SMS Power forums (who developed the expansion module) does.
The exclusion of the FM chip in western Master Systems makes sense from a historical perspective. While FM chips had been around in home and business computers for quite some time in Japan, computers and video games in the west pretty much all still had crude and simple tone generators when the Master System was released (save the C64 and Amiga (the Amiga still being quite expensive)).
So, the demand for better sound must have been higher in the Japanese market, since they hade been "spoiled."
Great vid.
Anyone know if the chip works with wonderboy: the dragons trap? I loved the music in that game as it was but would love to hear it improved.
whooaah the enhanced fm chip sounded almost like genesis sound.
Why is it that Sega Genesis's with the SMS cartridge adapter uses the old (crappy) music instead of the FM sound?
Because there is no YM2413 chip. the Genesis has a YM2612. but there now exists the Power Base FM by DB Electronics which is a Power Base Converter with a built in YM2413 :) also the newest Everdrives emulate the YM2413 perfectly!
@MN12BIRD Well it did turn out that way later on. Especially the cut down Master system 2. I remember seeing Master system consoles for sale for £35 in a catalogue towards the end of the format's life.
andyukmonkey *Argos*
@@afriend9428 I've been waiting 9 years for someone to remind me which catalogue
Why didn't they think to at least include this in the Power Base Converter. The Genesis already had the 2612, surely there was a method of conversion, since they sound very similar.
@gerger72 There are also several games that had FM code in them, but were not released, in Japan, so the whole world never got to listen to they're FM music. (Unless an FM expansion board was installed or they had a Japanese SMS and region adaptor) Rampage is the only game i know that has FM but was never released in Japan, but there are other games too.
So it must have been a plan to release the add-on here until they gave up towards the end of it's life to concentrate on the Mega Drive.
Also, Why did the Game Gear never have the FM sound chip either?
Me too. Some of the FM synthesis sound effects are kinda hard on the ears
We all know what Sonic sounds like on the Mega Drive, we also know what Sonic sounds like on the Master System without the FM sound chip. What I want to know is what does Sonic sound like on the Japanese Master System with the FM sound chip fitted? Has anyone uploaded any video demonstrations?
Sonic Master System never officially supported the FM chip, but nowadays we have the brilliant ValleyBell hack (Sonic 1 FM!)
Does the sega master system 2 already have this chip built in?
no
Well now that I got your attention,
do you think the SMS FM add-on, is better than the Famicom Disk System FM?
OR because the Master System came out in the West first, and therefore not aware of the add-on.
They added it in Japan otherwise the machine wouldn't have sold as it'd be considered a step down.
Excellent.
Does anybody know if the SMS games that enable the FM YM2413 sound chip can also be disabled so we can still have the choice of hearing the games in regular PSG sound?
Adrian Gauna *Holding down the Pause button when you turn the unit on!*
@MN12BIRD leerees basically told you what the situation was with the console in Europe from 1991 (that is, after the Mega Drive was released in late 1990) until 1996. Not only the price cut it had was that of a budget system, but it also got lots and lots of games shared with the Mega Drive (downgraded versions) and the Game Gear (converted versions) from that year on. And even with that, it still received some cool original games like Ninja Gaiden or Power Strike II.
whats the sysetem at 0:11
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Honestly I don't know that much about the FDS sound. My opinion would be that it does more for the SMS than it did the NES (the NES already had better music than the SMS stock for stock) and my guess would be there are more SMS games that took advantage of the FM sound than FC games did. But that's just my guess!
The FM synthesis chip makes Master System games sound like Genesis games.
you have a misspelling in you description. you spelled which witch
Dude shut that trap
@tigheklory Yep. That can be done.
If i'm not mistaken, the master system uses a form of fm synthesis anyways... this probably is a better quality chip and I suspect it layers several voices onto the same channels... my guess is the master system has 4 tracks for 4 synth voices... this chip addon would essentially need to read the same hex code already programmed and would need to know where to make the change.
@tigheklory I'm sorry. I will reopen it for you.
yes the optional fm soundchip is awesome cuzz sounds simmilar like genesis.
yes it,s sad that sega removed the enhanced fm soundchip in the west.
i wonder if the gamegear also had external soundpin option.
Can there be FM compatibility with the Genesis?
The Genesis uses a newer generation Yamaha chip (YM2612) which can operate as 6 FM channels or 5 FM and 1 PCM channel. I don't think anyone has come up with a mod yet to play FM Sound from Master System games on the Genesis' Yamaha chip rather than its PSG chip (same as what the Master System uses for its "normal" sound). Someone should though!
+Automatik You can actually buy a brand new power base converter from stoneagegamer dot com that lets you play SMS games on your Genesis and get the upgraded FM sound!
*****
Oh. Well. Now there's a selling point for it.
That's the DB Electronics Power Base FM! I watched his videos testing it out earlier, including with the Sonic 1 SMS FM hack ;) And now the newest Everdrives emulate the YM2413 perfectly :)
@M60E4gold I own a Roland D-20.
holy crap it sounds better
maybe an addon was something they planned if they made money from the SMS, but the gamegear didnt have any FM chip cause it would cost a lot to make the chip smaller to fit the game gear
I'd say they sounded more like Mega Drive games personally.
Cool, thanks, I did not know!
Once again SEGA messed up, outside of Japan the SMS was always regarded as having really poor sound and now I know the reason why.
IF the FM chip had been included, the SMS very likely would have been received quite differently and appraised higher on the retro scene.
Is it easy get hold of the Japanese SMS if you live in Europe?
JayArgonaut *Ebay or Amazon*
interesting facts! if SEGA had choosen to release this as a standard feature in the west the Master system would have been superior to the NES sonically as well (or at least in my opinion). they could have used this as sell's argument at the time. Double dragon sounds great! great boost to the kick drum
Your intro is awesome. o_o
Even back in '86 I thought the SMS sound was pretty terrible. It got on your nerves unlike the NES. It was pretty hard going from tunes on SMB and Zelda to Double Dragon and Rampage...
What I really wish though is that they either built the Yamaha FM chip it into the Power Base Converter for the Genesis or were somehow able to tap into the Genesis's FM synth chip. It would have been great to relive all of the SMS games on the Gen around that time, especially after we were used to the Gen sound.
SMS PSG could only do square waves and noise, that's why. NES could also do different pulse and triangle waves and even PCM.
@deathworm101 Altered Beast, California Games, Casino Games, Cloud Master, Galaxy Force, Golfamania, Out Run 3-D, Poseidon Wars 3-D, Rastan, Rescue Mission, Scramble Spirits, Shanghai, Tennis Ace, Time Soldiers, Ultima IV, Vigilante and Wonder Boy: The Dragon's Trap are all the others.
That's why everybody needs to move to Japan!
why is it that sometimes the 8 bit one sounds more appealing than the FM synth one, but others the FM sounds superior.
for most of them I actually prefered the 8 bit sound aside from the last one you played where it sounded superior with FM
LOL that was me last night trying to watch Dans Bad Influence uploads. UA-cam was going to slow it was constantly buffering and making me mad!
What's the VRC7?
An FM synthesizer in the cartridge of Lagrange Point for the Famicom.
so the boops and beeps turned into plinks and plunks
it was considered better at the time, and still is imo :)
thats crazy!!!
Informative video (though could have been edited a bit), but you fail to point out the fact that a handful of north american games did have the FM chip built into the cartridge itself. Phantasy Star and Golvellius are two I can think of off hand.
umm you do realize that they are exactly the same thing right? so that mega drive thing and the genesis sound exactly the same. i thought about everyone knew this.
Are you Mr. Daisy?
@MN12BIRD The FM YM2413 in Fusion is OK, But if you compare FreezeSMS with a real YM2413, FreezeSMS is more accurate, and sound almost exactly the same.
Master system was quite popular in my country,it sounded fine even without the FM synthesis.
When I play it on emulators,though I have the option to change to FM synthesis on some games as you know,I still prefer it unchanged.
With FM it sounds too ''midi''which is a bit annoying to my ears.
@tigheklory I would post a link, but that leads to me getting a strike on my account.
Yama-Haw?
never came out in the in North America though it was planned. funny thing is all North American Master System games still support it if it is detected.
I came here to listen to SMS and FM Synthesis and all I got was a bunch of video of other game consoles while Sega CD music plays :p
Might wanna remove unnecessary intros like that in the future.
no, since the UK model is identical to the American model.
ive played some games for the SMS in the UK and they sound like NES games
no, they sounded worse than NES games because the Master System PSG can't do triangle waves or PCM like the NES, only square waves and noise.
I can see why nobody bothered to by this chip, the SMS is a budget games console, anyone wanting better sound and graphics would have just brought a megadrive / genesis instead of wasting their money on this. The megadrives sound was awesome. Even today some of the tunes still sound great, mainly streets of rage etc.
although the Master System continued to be sold alongside the Genesis / Mega Drive after it came out, it was actually the predecessor in the mid to late 80s (depending on market)
That's what really pisses me off: Japan gets most of the good stuff. And now, I'm running all over the place trying to find a Yamaha keyboard with the YM2413 in it(I know that the Yamaha PSS-170 and PSR-6 have the YM2413 in them). I was going to build my own FM Synthesis circuit, but I guess I can also get the Sega Mark III FM Synthesis unit and plug it into my Master System(not so much "plug in" as it is to take the entire FM Synthesis unit apart and integrate it into a US Master System).
In my personal opinion, the music playback on the SMS is slightly inferior to the NES without the FM Sound chip, it's such a shame that Sega didn't release the US/European versions of the Master System with the FM Synth chip, damn you Sega!. No wonder the SMS was sold to Tonka Toys and eventually went balls up.
no, the nes didn't. only the disk sys.
fancier? perhaps. better? a matter of personal preference. some people like it simple.
interesting.
wait what? you are not making any sense. why are you going to get a keyboard just to get a chip. it's a whole lot cheaper and easier to get the chip at a place like radio shack. the ym3812 is basically the same chip too BTW.
from wiki
"The YM2413, also called OPLL, is a cost-reduced sound chip manufactured by Yamaha Corporation and based on their YM3812 (OPL2). To make the chip cheaper to manufacture, many of the internal registers were removed."
wikipedia org / wiki / Yamaha_YM2413
What are we talking about....?
Watch the video and you'll find out.
List of Games to compare
Gain Ground
Echo the dolphin
Funky Bob AKA B.O.B. (Electronic arts lol)
Although, thats the difference between master system, and genesis.
without sounded like 2600 or nes and with sounded like it couldv'e been genesis
I couldn't agree with you more, Sega should have included the FM chip in ALL versions of the Master System, and all the games that supported should have been released all over the world, as it is, I personally think the Master System sounds worse than the NES.
I reckon it was because Sega didnt have the money, to distribute the master system with a better sound chip, all over the world, Japan is one country, but Sega might have opted to cut costs around the world.
It's such a shame that the US and European/PAL versions of the Master System didn't come with the FM synth chip in them, the FM chip sounds so much better than the standard Master System, I personally prefer the sound of the NES over the Master System, I think the NES sounds better than the Master System.
0:54 CANADIAN..
Carlos Estevam Eh!
Carlos Estevam ...AH - BOWT. Ya pegged it junior. No DOWT AH - BOWT it!
What the fuck! Here in Australia we didn't get that FM sound chip either! So America,England,Europe and Australia only had the standard 8-bit audio chip ah? While Japan gets Mega Drive sound for there Master Systems! That's not fair! We really did get ripped off!
god dammit, why is youtube being so fucking shitty this morning. its been buffering for like 6 minutes. like I understand its the fourth most visited site in the world, but that means more money for more servers.
umm, you do realize that was intended to be a joke right? I thought about everyone would get this.
There is no diffrence, just diffrent name.
I remember sega having poor sound. cant hate the ol sega though...
What year did Brazil release their first Master System I, II, Master System III Compact, and Master System 3 Collection??????????????????????????????????????????????????????
I will give 1 Million Dollars for the correct answers!!!!
Cheers ^_^
Did I ever tell you I've got a Mega Jet? complete fucking waste of time, it's a Nomad without a screen!
Then again who the hell thought a console designed to playing solely on aeroplanes was a good idea in the first place?
whoooaaah sounds actualy like genesis.
sega had to promote their console as lichtyears more powerfull then the nes cuzz it really was.
they shut had to come early with the slogan what sega does nintendo,nt,cuzz it,s true.
the genesis was actualy based on mastersystem technology with some expanded memory and a 16bit proccesors!!!!!!
Uh for FM style music - just use a real FM synth or an emulation of one. It's all digital anyway.
Simple answer, no, I'm afraid.
i actually like some of the original better