Thanks, Wes ! I enjoy mechanical things and fabrication. Being creative is another plus. I'll be happy when you get into the actual build of these rakes. It will be interesting to see something being created. 👍👍😊
@onelonleyfarmer i have one we just did the first season so far it's doing good we did 5k round bales this season with a severe drought but it held up great we didn't touch it
Nice thing about building your own: If it breaks, it's easy to contact your warranty department. Really though, you have a better idea of what you need than all of those manufacturers as far as a complete unit. Buying one, you will have to settle for something in part that isn't up to snuff for you. 1/4" steel and gussets galore. Pandy Rakes: If you break it, you did something wrong. Sounds like a good slogan.
You're on the right path about rake. One thing I would do different (maybe you think about the same though) I would go "diamond side" instead of flat side. I mean, I would bore through corner-side to corner-side. Angle-sides are way stronger than them flat-side, if you see what I'm getting at. I'll let think about this, it will be your rake anyway ;) 👍
My oldest brother was an engineer for Case tractor company in the later 70’s. He got frustrated with some of his coworker engineers who designed things but never wrenched on anything. One day Case had a production issue with a new tractor in which they didn’t know how to pull a wiring harness through a tight frame. They gathered engineers to stand in line who one by one looked at it trying to get the harness through the frame. My brother was the first one among them to have a flexible grabber tool, in a cable with 4 little prongs that stick out when you push the button on the other end. My brother knew he had the answer yet he had to stand in line for an extended period. My brother Brian gets there and bingo pulls the wiring harness through it with his reach tool. In the middle 2000’s he wrote the food ordering program for a little company called McDonald’s.
I love your idea and look forward to the build... I think the main thing when you build your rake is making it out of heavy duty enough steal, every one you looked at they had skimped on the thickness of the steal...
Another very interesting video, here in Ireland we haven’t used spider wheel rakes since the 1950’s or 60’s ( I am open to correction but I am almost 60 and have never seen one working but have seen them parked in the ditch) however in the right circumstances they are so basic they have to be useful, big attraction for me is the lack of gearboxes and ptos, we use rotary rakes and they can be a pain in the ass when they start to get shook, again simple engineering flaws and truthfully, idiots driving them, hitting utility poles and fences and ditches trees etc, even had one genius take the side out of a parked jeep once! Strangely that last one didn’t do much harm to the rake but it cost an arm and a leg to get the Toyota sorted! So rest assured Mr. Pandy it ain’t all roses when it comes to rakes this side of the pond either.
Watching you review the rakes and knowing what you know it might make sense to think about building rakes. Might not be that crazy of an idea, that’s how they all got started. Patents would need to be considered but….. once a prototype is done the next is easy….
Love your rake idea. Can't wait to see the build. As a compromise maybe get enough material to make two. Finish one completely as your prototype, test it and improve if necessary then finish a second one. Just a thought......
I use a Rowse Ultimate 18 wheel rake. It will pull two 18 foot windrows together easily and does a great job of getting the hay. It is very heavy built and can handle the rough conditions here in South Dakota.
Wes, "I love your idea". Assuming you have no functional rake at the farm you should buy that Kubota for insurance so you have it to get hay done/pay the bills while you build a first "Wes-Rake" prototype. It's handy to have the competitive analysis Kubota machine to run around the field any time you want to see where it flexes during use (take video of it to review in slow motion like a football coach). I included a second comment with some engineering notes that may help you, and I have access to freelance engineering teams that can assist you from design, analysis, sourcing, and on into volume manufacturing. Looks like an interesting project for a product the big companies have badly neglected.
kicker wheels are a must if you have a smaller discbine and straddle the center windrow while raking. without them, the center windrow won't get fluffed at all
Hello my friend make sure when you get time to build your hay rake that all the weld seams on your HSS is on the compression side of all main structure and go for .250 wall love your plan for this 🍻🇨🇦
Sounds like several good videos in the works. Enjoy all the big baler videos, but we aren't in that market. But we definitely rake a lot of hay. God Bless Keepem coming
Here in Holland we don't do a lot of hay, only silage and some straw turning. Friend of mine has an Enorossi though that seems verry familiar to that Procart. It's a bit more flimsy with it's funny arms.
I have a pro cart plus new holland love it had it for 4 or 5 years never done anything but new teeth, I replaced some of the bolts cause I don't like cheap bolts on the beams
Wes is it possible they are all using high tensile steel in the box section to keep the weight down ? It's hard to keep a length of box pipe straight and true when you start welding on it and drilling it...
When you were talking about building your own rake it kinda sounded like me and my buddies in HS saying the perfect truck would be a Ford Body, Dodge Engine and a Chevy Transmission.
This is a very interesting video for a mechanical engineering student, makes a lot of fun watching it....because you are damn right what you are saying. Yes, that was a question I already was about to ask:Why dont you buy the Kubota.:D
Alright man i got a H&S X rake Hi capiciaty it the frame actualy go in and out by a hydraulic clyinder .. it only one i ever seen in my life .. love the rake ive only had 2 problems 1st was hit a ground hog hole a nice too.. i broke 2 bolts that hold the hitch part that goes to ur draw bar ( they make them wher can make rake biger by adding another section . Im sure know wat i sayn.. now 2nd was a wheel bearing went out and i didnt notice till i was done and could not see part numbers so i emailed H&S and they told me to go to dealer ...i went and dealer couldnt get the part number i bought the rake 2nd hand from a jhon deer from .. it took me all winter to find the dang part numbers never did find right seal.. that will definitely make me not buy from them agin ... but i think it super heavy made rake. I wish i had tandems .... but you have to get off tractor and pulled a pin and you have like push the frame of hay wheels to wher u want and i agree on the kicker wheel worthless unless u wana fight with wad ups.. its really nice about diffrent typs hay and the hydraulic clyinder in between ř lets u change width of windrow i have just one kicker wheel i just took it off cause it would cause a wad up
@@2cylinderjohndeere720 true actually but kuhn is more worldwide in my opinion. I could be wrong but I would say more kuhn sold around the world while most of krone is sold in Europe
And they have the rake wheels in the pusher position. I absolutely love mine looking to add a second one before next season. To me best rake on the market at the moment
I have mentioned it a couple other times in the comments. If you want a pusher rake that still folds up in the air you need to look at the OGDEN hybrid rakes. I think you would be pleasantly surprised.
Well Wes, I remember back when you were looking for a new replacement baler for your old NH... many of us told you to look at Krone. Took you awhile before you did and now you own several. I believe several of us has also stated for you to look into the Vermeer rakes, not sure why you're hesitant on them. More power to you if and when you build your own. Cheers :)
I LOVE your ideas !!, Wes why not get with one of these MFGs and give them some REAL input and let you test them and then then they could make a outstanding product. The min reason they make them NOT to last is so they can keep selling rakes.
I just looked at the Ogden Hay Runner on their website. It seems to have all the points you have mentioned... Built to last... Have you gotten a price? If you figure your labor @ $20/hr., do you think you can build one cheaper?
I know you can't let yourself take advice from anyone but a Kuhn speed rake is what you're searching for. All those rakes you looked at and have talked about are designed for hobby farmers.
Kuhn sr 600 speed rake. It will last your lifetime. Turns on a dime and I’ve had very few problems. Frame holds up and bearings last. H&S has a weak frame and takes a football field to turn it around.
Thanks, Wes !
I enjoy mechanical things and fabrication. Being creative is another plus.
I'll be happy when you get into the actual build of these rakes.
It will be interesting to see something being created.
👍👍😊
I wouldn’t want to choose a new rake without viewing this content one or more times again.
@@Greg_Gatsby Kubota in my opinion looks the best
@onelonleyfarmer i have one we just did the first season so far it's doing good we did 5k round bales this season with a severe drought but it held up great we didn't touch it
Nice thing about building your own: If it breaks, it's easy to contact your warranty department. Really though, you have a better idea of what you need than all of those manufacturers as far as a complete unit. Buying one, you will have to settle for something in part that isn't up to snuff for you. 1/4" steel and gussets galore. Pandy Rakes: If you break it, you did something wrong. Sounds like a good slogan.
You're on the right path about rake. One thing I would do different (maybe you think about the same though) I would go "diamond side" instead of flat side. I mean, I would bore through corner-side to corner-side. Angle-sides are way stronger than them flat-side, if you see what I'm getting at. I'll let think about this, it will be your rake anyway ;) 👍
Great video! It is designed and built by Great Plains/Land Pride in Salina, KS. Great Plains is a Kubota Company.
My oldest brother was an engineer for Case tractor company in the later 70’s. He got frustrated with some of his coworker engineers who designed things but never wrenched on anything. One day Case had a production issue with a new tractor in which they didn’t know how to pull a wiring harness through a tight frame. They gathered engineers to stand in line who one by one looked at it trying to get the harness through the frame. My brother was the first one among them to have a flexible grabber tool, in a cable with 4 little prongs that stick out when you push the button on the other end. My brother knew he had the answer yet he had to stand in line for an extended period. My brother Brian gets there and bingo pulls the wiring harness through it with his reach tool.
In the middle 2000’s he wrote the food ordering program for a little company called McDonald’s.
I'm really excited about this build. I make a lot of road ditch hay and have been dreaming of building a "ditch rake"
Love your ideas. What I do with individual replacement teeth is grind them down to match the length of the missing teeth I replaced.
One of your best videos Mr. Pandy.
I love your idea and look forward to the build...
I think the main thing when you build your rake is making it out of heavy duty enough steal, every one you looked at they had skimped on the thickness of the steal...
@CJA150179
Steel. Unless you want a person to steal it so you don't have it.
Another very interesting video, here in Ireland we haven’t used spider wheel rakes since the 1950’s or 60’s ( I am open to correction but I am almost 60 and have never seen one working but have seen them parked in the ditch) however in the right circumstances they are so basic they have to be useful, big attraction for me is the lack of gearboxes and ptos, we use rotary rakes and they can be a pain in the ass when they start to get shook, again simple engineering flaws and truthfully, idiots driving them, hitting utility poles and fences and ditches trees etc, even had one genius take the side out of a parked jeep once! Strangely that last one didn’t do much harm to the rake but it cost an arm and a leg to get the Toyota sorted! So rest assured Mr. Pandy it ain’t all roses when it comes to rakes this side of the pond either.
Watching you review the rakes and knowing what you know it might make sense to think about building rakes. Might not be that crazy of an idea, that’s how they all got started. Patents would need to be considered but….. once a prototype is done the next is easy….
Hello Wes good video thankyou. I'll never need that big a rake but hope they hear you and improve on them. Have a good day.
I like your idea 🎉
Love your rake idea. Can't wait to see the build. As a compromise maybe get enough material to make two. Finish one completely as your prototype, test it and improve if necessary then finish a second one. Just a thought......
I can’t wait for the pandy hay rake manufacturing co. To get into business
love the idea of you building your own rake. Just do one at a time in case you miss up somewhere along the line.
I use a Rowse Ultimate 18 wheel rake. It will pull two 18 foot windrows together easily and does a great job of getting the hay. It is very heavy built and can handle the rough conditions here in South Dakota.
Good video. I Love Your Idea.
Damn Wes, the companies should PAY YOU for this detailed info............... love your thinking
kubota is owner of the company that started to make wheel rakes in the nederlands. here it is called a acrobaat or sprintmaster.
Wes, "I love your idea". Assuming you have no functional rake at the farm you should buy that Kubota for insurance so you have it to get hay done/pay the bills while you build a first "Wes-Rake" prototype. It's handy to have the competitive analysis Kubota machine to run around the field any time you want to see where it flexes during use (take video of it to review in slow motion like a football coach). I included a second comment with some engineering notes that may help you, and I have access to freelance engineering teams that can assist you from design, analysis, sourcing, and on into volume manufacturing. Looks like an interesting project for a product the big companies have badly neglected.
Wes, i love your idea can't wait to see the finished product! and oh yeah ,all of the comments saying it cannot be done lol.
kicker wheels are a must if you have a smaller discbine and straddle the center windrow while raking. without them, the center windrow won't get fluffed at all
I really love your ideas and i think you’re hey rake will last longer than them
Looking forward to seeing the build
Hello my friend make sure when you get time to build your hay rake that all the weld seams on your HSS is on the compression side of all main structure and go for .250 wall love your plan for this 🍻🇨🇦
Sounds like several good videos in the works. Enjoy all the big baler videos, but we aren't in that market. But we definitely rake a lot of hay.
God Bless
Keepem coming
That gusset in the NH stiffens the wheels so they don’t spread apart side to side. It’s not intended to strengthen front to back
👍👍 Solid thinking.
BENT HAY RAKE, Bent again! Trashed hay rake! I remember all those videos
I love your idea....Wes
I love your idea Wes - great video as always Wes!
Warren has a video up today. In the field welding up one of those 150k rakes
Love your idea about building a rake but also buying the Kubota rake.
I love your idea Wes don't comment much but always watch pal God Bless
I've got a Khun rake that has to be one of the best ever built, it's probably 15 years old and it's never given us one minute of trouble
last year had a guy doing hay, his powered rake blew its gearbox. Hard to win with rakes, our old one from the 70's still goes fine.
I love your idea. Over build it and will last forever
I love your idea, great video
I would build one, see how it performs and then build the 2nd rake.
Here in Holland we don't do a lot of hay, only silage and some straw turning. Friend of mine has an Enorossi though that seems verry familiar to that Procart. It's a bit more flimsy with it's funny arms.
I have a pro cart plus new holland love it had it for 4 or 5 years never done anything but new teeth, I replaced some of the bolts cause I don't like cheap bolts on the beams
I love your idea!
Degalman hay rake by Bale King of Saskatchewan the only solid large rake out there.
Brings me back to the video where you built your own bail spear
sometimes you just gotta do it yourself
Good luck on your "Pandy Pro" rake.
love your idea ! Build one then work out the bugs, second one will be a breeze.
I love your idea.
great idea. you can do this for sure.
Long time follower. Love your content. Also subscribed to ag talk in the raw
I love your idea
Hi Wes
I like your Videos
I thing that People learn through mistakes, but if no one shows the mistakes to the designer, he won't correct them.
Wes is it possible they are all using high tensile steel in the box section to keep the weight down ? It's hard to keep a length of box pipe straight and true when you start welding on it and drilling it...
You clamp it tack it then go to town.
Love that idea
Look up a Fair manufacturing hay rake. They look very heavy built and they have a large beam where the wheels attach to. They are kinda pricey tho
Great job wes !!!!!!!!
very well done
When you were talking about building your own rake it kinda sounded like me and my buddies in HS saying the perfect truck would be a Ford Body, Dodge Engine and a Chevy Transmission.
This is a very interesting video for a mechanical engineering student, makes a lot of fun watching it....because you are damn right what you are saying. Yes, that was a question I already was about to ask:Why dont you buy the Kubota.:D
Love your idea!
I love your idea (s).
The Rake whisperer
I love your idea. I say demo the kubota if you can and see how well it really does. And build just one first
A Rake build...this is going to be cool 😎 fer sure!
That kubota looks really similar to the kuhn. The kuhn works good but its too light for real heavy windrows
Luv ur ideas
If it works, it will be great. If it don’t work, you ain’t breaking the bank.
Alright man i got a H&S X rake Hi capiciaty it the frame actualy go in and out by a hydraulic clyinder .. it only one i ever seen in my life .. love the rake ive only had 2 problems 1st was hit a ground hog hole a nice too.. i broke 2 bolts that hold the hitch part that goes to ur draw bar ( they make them wher can make rake biger by adding another section . Im sure know wat i sayn.. now 2nd was a wheel bearing went out and i didnt notice till i was done and could not see part numbers so i emailed H&S and they told me to go to dealer ...i went and dealer couldnt get the part number i bought the rake 2nd hand from a jhon deer from .. it took me all winter to find the dang part numbers never did find right seal.. that will definitely make me not buy from them agin ... but i think it super heavy made rake. I wish i had tandems .... but you have to get off tractor and pulled a pin and you have like push the frame of hay wheels to wher u want and i agree on the kicker wheel worthless unless u wana fight with wad ups.. its really nice about diffrent typs hay and the hydraulic clyinder in between ř lets u change width of windrow i have just one kicker wheel i just took it off cause it would cause a wad up
I like it Wes! Do you need some more honey? Remember the bet I lost an had to give you an Tim a bottle?😂
Look at a bridge view rake made in Canada. We have one . Has 50 thousand acres through it . Best rake we ever had
These are not just some small rake. ua-cam.com/video/aUgTl4sU_gs/v-deo.html
I am surprised that Krone doesn't make a wheel rake!
European so they do rotary
@@kieranosullivan02 Kuhn is also European and they make wheel rakes as well as rotary
Because rotary make better windrows than wheel rakes. I have a double rotary covers 10 metres its brilliant and road travel fantastic.
@@Rcod2013 I personally like rotary rakes better,but the wheel rakes work for Wes!
@@2cylinderjohndeere720 true actually but kuhn is more worldwide in my opinion. I could be wrong but I would say more kuhn sold around the world while most of krone is sold in Europe
Ever looked at an Ogden rake ? That are pretty good seem to be built stronger than most
And they have the rake wheels in the pusher position. I absolutely love mine looking to add a second one before next season. To me best rake on the market at the moment
I have mentioned it a couple other times in the comments. If you want a pusher rake that still folds up in the air you need to look at the OGDEN hybrid rakes. I think you would be pleasantly surprised.
This soundtrack slaps, good pick!
👍👍 Well love...love. It's not a bad idea....
I definitely love your idea but make sure you get a Patton on what ever you make incase you decide to make and sell them
Well Wes, I remember back when you were looking for a new replacement baler for your old NH... many of us told you to look at Krone. Took you awhile before you did and now you own several. I believe several of us has also stated for you to look into the Vermeer rakes, not sure why you're hesitant on them. More power to you if and when you build your own. Cheers :)
@Ham68229
Look at how Vermeer welds the wheel arms to the frame. The same way Wes has issues with, and does not want.
@@ducewags Then Wes should look into a merger instead of wheel rakes. Which is something I haven't ever seen him mention
If you build it, they will come. As in the dealers to make things how it was done back in the day. Have a good day pandys.
I LOVE your ideas !!, Wes why not get with one of these MFGs and give them some REAL input and let you test them and then then they could make a outstanding product. The min reason they make them NOT to last is so they can keep selling rakes.
You ever look at the krone rake to see if you would get on with them as you like the ba
balers?
Build one Wes but take all measurements and angles with steel sizes etc could speed up another build
Zimmermans is in my back yard.. look at the blue mountain in the background.
Wes, check out the Kuhn Speed Rakes. They're built bloody strong.
I just looked at the Ogden Hay Runner on their website. It seems to have all the points you have mentioned... Built to last... Have you gotten a price? If you figure your labor @ $20/hr., do you think you can build one cheaper?
I’m worth north than $20 an hour even though I seem to work for free.
@@onelonleyfarmer Me too Wes, it's what we do... Been enjoying your channel for years....
Was don't you like the Krone hay rakes?
Buy enough parts and material to build two rakes. Then build one to start for R&D.
If your confident in your plans for the take build 2
I know you can't let yourself take advice from anyone but a Kuhn speed rake is what you're searching for. All those rakes you looked at and have talked about are designed for hobby farmers.
Good idea
5/16 box tube
Have you considered a dual rotary rake?
Maybe Messicks can give you a great deal on the Kubota rake as a sponsor deal.
👍🏻🍻
Wes here is a idea ask Neil Messick if you can demo that kubota rake
Did you know the "Inroda Texugo" for ripping lime into the soil from shallow and up to 550 mm, check the machine out
Build in obsolete so you buy more of these rakes so they never go out of business
Do you have a time-line when you will build yours, and will we see the progress? 👌 "Build it!"
Check out an Enrossi Maximus rake
Kuhn sr 600 speed rake. It will last your lifetime. Turns on a dime and I’ve had very few problems. Frame holds up and bearings last. H&S has a weak frame and takes a football field to turn it around.
If you need wheels for your project let me know. Made in USA. We do 55” and 60”.