Yeah it's the economic system that rewards using cheap labor. Now if there wasn't one private owner of a business we wouldn't see as much desperation. If workplaces were owned by the people who work there the people would have enough power to set boundaries.
It was amazing to see the Figure Eight founder demeanor changing when he realizes what the interview was really about. He is exploiting people and he knows it!
When I was living in Portugal, I had a boyfriend who was working for a big tech company. He told me about this work of completing tasks and earning some money at home. It was during the pandemic, and it seemed like an attractive job. I went to the site and completed the form to start receiving the tasks. When I received my first task and looked at the payment, I didn't even start it. 😆
You are lucky you are in this position! unlike the other workers who really need the work with no other viable work options - could be illness, geography, or other reasons. For some it is better than nothing at all. And these are the people being exploited.
I'm not sure what is worse: moderators cleaning up garbage from social media for pennies, or people committing acts against humanity and posting it on social media for views, and people actually watching it. I cannot understand human behavior.
Psychopaths are often successful in business. I am not saying he is one, but he looks very satisfied with himself while talking about paying almost nothing and disposing of workers as if they were trash. A regular person would feel terrible about the workers. A psychopath would probably feel the opposite: very proud of himself for creating such a "wonderful" system of exploitation.
Well, how else is the internet supposed to be monitored? There has to be someone to train the algorithms, it does not train itself.. yet. Also, as for pay, most companies won't pay good money unless they absolutely need your contribution, if someone in the phillipines is willing to do this for 3 cents the hour, then that is the new pay bar. They are contractors, so they agreed to get paid that amount.
@@JimMilton1 is it tho? All Roman cities were similar. In the central area was the Forum, the Temples of the gods and the market, not far from the Theater, the Gladiator Arena and, of course, the Public Baths. Some of them, like the Baths of Caracalla in Rome, were immense, true cathedrals. The Roman public baths had heated floors, abundant running water and three rooms (Caldarium, Tepidarium and Frigidarium). Below the floor was a hellish labyrinth in which slaves stoked the fires in the boilers, controlled the temperature, and maintained the pipes to ensure a supply of hot and warm water, as well as underfloor heating. When Rome fell and the other Roman cities were sacked by barbarians, almost all of these Thermae were completely destroyed. They were hated by the slaves who worked in them, because they symbolized the opulence and oppression of a civilization that extracted maximum luxury and comfort from the misery of those forced to work in inhumane conditions under the floor of the Thermae. Nowadays, the work of Big Tech's algorithmized slaves is the equivalent of the work of Roman slaves in Thermae, and it is this rotten and disgusting reality beneath the surface of our society that this video shows. Sp . . . ?
But many people gets into debts they could avoid. For example, buying expensive cars. I know many people with very low salaries having very expensive cars.
@@OneAdam12AdamYes they are! I got offered that job once when I was at the lowest point of my life. Broke and in debt. Didn't finished college due to lack of money. Poverty is not a f*cking choice. For some that is their only option There is a saying here, "kapit patalim". It means hold on to whatever nails just to survive. You're an american. Of course your privileged butt doesn't know anything about enduring whatever nasty jobs there is to survive. The only reason these minimum wage jobs exist is because you people are too spoiled to take it.
No, they willingly accept pennies for the task of viewing content that could cost their employer money and legal issues. If I had to guess, I would say all the secrecy is because the content is just flagged, viewed, and removed keeping the company as far removed as possible. The end. The people in the content, those are the people who have to endure the worst of humanity...not the people who are willing to scrub it from the site before anyone sees, for a little change. If it is "PTSD" inducing, why are they still viewing and removing instead of shouting from the rooftops the names of the people who are uploading the content? That terrible thing they had to watch, was worse for the person it happened to who may have to endure it again, but yeah, let's just make sure it's not a FB problem.
Around the midpoint when they start to ask questions about labor and wages, and the "genius tech CEO" literally just says "yeah, I don't wanna do this anymore..." and practically walks off...What kind-of boss is this? And then even his PR flunky is like "oh, I actually have to get to a meeting as well," even though he clearly had all the time in the world a minute before. That NO ONE at a prominent tech firm can answer even basic questions about labor without just saying "yeah, I'm not doing this," perhaps shows their attitude.
It's because the only thing they care about is industry disruption and making as much money as quickly as possible no matter the consequences. It's wild how much the tech industry has turned "disruption" into a positive thing when it obviously disrupts everything through ripple effects. The CEO serves his investors, he couldn't care less about his labor source.
He was unlikable from minute one. Walking around, giggling at his own jokes in every half minute. Had I not know he was the boss, I would think he was the office idiot who is very smart at avoiding work and keeping his job.
I was a labor lawyer. Before that I was a worker. Over the last three decades I have seen 9 documentaries like this one from various media outlets. That's the problem. The media would like you to believe that they are on the side of the workers. The workers in Congo and the workers in the US. But they are not. They present this investigative journalism in such a way that unless you are trained in the field of the history of labor law and you have been following up on it you will have no idea as to the prevalence of this abuses and how little is being done about it at the political level. Slavery was abolished only in principle
I remember being hard-up for extra cash around 2007 and trying out Amazon's Mechanical Turk. A lot of it was creating machine learning training data like what is depicted in this video. It is some of the most boring, soul-draining, low-paying work I've ever done. I would recommend almost any kind of work over this.
Its literally supply and demand at its core and people in the comments refuse to actually understand this... I would take minimum wage in ANY state for doing mechanical Turk I've done stuff like it and its so easy.
All Roman cities were similar. In the central area was the Forum, the Temples of the gods and the market, not far from the Theater, the Gladiator Arena and, of course, the Public Baths. Some of them, like the Baths of Caracalla in Rome, were immense, true cathedrals. The Roman public baths had heated floors, abundant running water and three rooms (Caldarium, Tepidarium and Frigidarium). Below the floor was a hellish labyrinth in which slaves stoked the fires in the boilers, controlled the temperature, and maintained the pipes to ensure a supply of hot and warm water, as well as underfloor heating. When Rome fell and the other Roman cities were sacked by barbarians, almost all of these Thermae were completely destroyed. They were hated by the slaves who worked in them, because they symbolized the opulence and oppression of a civilization that extracted maximum luxury and comfort from the misery of those forced to work in inhumane conditions under the floor of the Thermae. Nowadays, the work of Big Tech's algorithmized slaves is the equivalent of the work of Roman slaves in Thermae, and it is this rotten and disgusting reality beneath the surface of our society that this video shows. Is there any doubt about this?
I work in tech and make $20k a year. I'm working on leaving the US, and when I retire I'll be very happy if I never touch a transistor or 'scope probe again. I use a flip phone, and get by computer-wise by buying used laptops and using them until they die. I hate tech.
'When there was work for a man, ten men fought for it- fought with a low wage. If that fella’ll work for thirty cents, I’ll work for twenty-five. If he’ll take twenty-five, I’ll do it for twenty. No, me, I’m hungry. I’ll work for fifteen. I’ll work for food. The kids. You ought to see them. Little boils, like, comin’ out, an’ they can’t run aroun’. Give ’em some windfall fruit, an’ they bloated up. Me, I’ll work for a little piece of meat. And this was good, for wages went down and prices stayed up. The great owners were glad and they sent out more handbills to bring more people in. And wages went down and prices stayed up. And pretty soon now we’ll have serfs again' - The Grapes of Wrath, John Steinbeck, 1939
Atleast in this story you know, how wretched your situation is. Imagine competing with thousands of people for an incentive, an intresting looking carrot. The carrot seems bigger every passing year. You keep chasing after the carrots, oneday you run out of time and die. You used the carrots you got to buy pointless useless things from the market to try to make you feel better to help you forget the job that you hate. The person who showed you the carrots and motivated you to chase them, also owned all the stores in the market. A win win for him. Imagine wasting a whole life and not even realising the wretched story all along. Story of modern day capitalism and it's labour force.
Why is Search so bad these days? In the old days of the internet, you placed something in a search bar and got a SPECIFIC search result - now you insert a search request, and you age EVERYTHING: Example: You want 28" curtains, now when you search, you get curtains up to 108" inches...it truly sucks! In the old days, you put quote marks around your search term, you got search results ONLY for that specific request!
I have experienced exacly what you are saying. There are times where I need to google something very specific, very technical. The dumb internet just gives me the generic crap.
please, please, please do a doc. on the gamification of employment and how people are treated like players in a video game to get rewards, etc...and the dark side of how big tech co's and others are on the track to this becoming the norm,.. and showing the history of normal employment into the tech world. And how the competition is making prices go lower. While humans are competing with robots, slaves/incarcerated, and those in the developing world
@@apricotcomputers7915 that’s interesting. As a recently trained secondary school teacher in Europe, we ve been massively pushed towards the gamification of teaching and learning. I guess that plays its role in turning kids into robots. And a small comment on this topic related to teachers work rights: of course the new tech-teaching and new pedagogies that are being introduced in the EU have doubled the amount of work for teachers without any kind of increase in wage or labour benefits.
The way this Biewald guy talks about his 'contractors' at the entrepreneur meeting is so callous and dehumanizing. It really sent a chill down my spine.
@MK86-channel it already came back to bite his butt with this documentary. I hope it will soon come back again, but in a much harder way. Psychopaths are often successful in business. I am not saying he is one, but he looks very satisfied with himself while talking about paying almost nothing and disposing of workers as if they were trash.
@@justmeagain7 I don't even think he's a psychopath. It's pretty obvious from the way he acts that he knows he's doing something bad and it's making him uncomfortable. He's just choosing to ignore it for profit.
@@nicolajandersen8826 A psychopath can know that something is bad based on how society views that thing, rather than their own emotions or conscience. They frequently pretend to be moral individuals because they know their goals will be harder to achieve if society condemns their absence of ethics. Anyone with a functioning sense of ethics would not choose to exploit other people this way.
@justmeagain7 One of the 3 guys in charge of Nestea (and the rest of what one finds in supermarkets) was revolted, when acused, about the people's idea that water should be for free! Who says water should be for free? There is a youtube video about their history. The world is ruled by mentally disturbed people.
UA-cam uses their service I'm quite sure, or something similar. They run sentiment analysis on it user's comments and then shadowban them based on the results.
@@catpowerro1110 Of course not but laws, unions and regulations are there to protect people from exploitation. The same reason they are there to protect workers from unsafe work places. You need a standard or companies just f people.
To say that people in 3rd world countries should/can survive with such low pay is why the world is so upside-down. I am from a third-world country and only those living in poverty have these salaries.
Letting goods travel frictionless made the world vastly more unequal and letting labor travel frictionless (while people are still bound by borders) is going to make things so much worse.
The moderators take the PTSD that the rest of us would suffer from, if these things were left on the internet. They have my greatest thanks and deserve so much better.
Sure but the issue comes when those moderators, traumatized, so habituated to wave the ban hammer, comes after YOU simply for using words from the dictionary or naming historical facts or even just mention the Lernean Hydra at all.
My former employer was working furiously to replace workers with AI. They spent immense energy on trying to brainwash us that they were treating us well rather than actually treating us well. They did not pay a livable wage here in the US and I shudder to think how they treated their overseas employees. Thinking of starting a podcast to discuss these labor issues. Would anyone listen?
For every CEO profile on Linkedin & Co. there are hidden slaves in the world involved to keep up the title... either directly or through conctrator firms...
At 9:17 of the video, Lukas Biewald knows very well how much these people are paid, not 10 cents per box you drew around a person, I was offered only 1 cent and I can only get paid if I accumulate $100, and there are penalties for "wrong" boxing. And people like him are profiting off people like me. The world is so unfair...
Being paid only if you accumulate $100 is basically a strategy to exploit people who do some work and then never return. What a morally bankrupt corporate practice.
I am a 3rdyear college student specializing in machine learning I never envisioned AI to be used like this... AI should be for making our lives better, like predicting disasters or combatting diseases. I love Machine learning for how beautiful its underlying mathematics is, and I thank you for opening my eyes to this side of it. I appreciate everyone who made this video possible!
Sapolskys lectures are free on youtube. It is human nature. It is evolution. There is no free will. Don't beat yourself up. You did not choose these incentive structures. You were born into it.
3$ an hour for Bangladesh is much more liveable than in the USA. My setup costs around 0.11€ to run per hour. So at the lower end, workers would need to run a Mini PC or a Laptop to break even 🥲
Especially Apple devices which were all it were shown. I was wondering the same thing. Go love your apple and be robbed at the same time. This is also the reason why 'microtasks' have to be perfomed by someone else in the first place.
Wow, am I the only one. Who sees lablers working for free, low key. It's websites that wants you to click on the pictures that has a bike, train, or whatever. These websites say their testing to see if your a robot. But, now I see that's not the case.
I'm sorry but as a person living in Africa, I don't understand how these people are surviving on these wages. For 8 hours/day this is absolutely criminal considering the cost of your ISP. Might as well sell baked goods and go knocking door to door. Your efforts will yield much better profits.
They do it there too. The big tech companies are outsourcing this in Kenya and other African countries. Same results and traumatization of the workers.
I think the documentary is bs. No sane person is going to work for 30 cents per hour if they can earn more flipping burgers or collecting trash. Maybe they do it for personal entertainment or as a hobby, but you can't call that work.
That’s why the middle class in all developed economies is shrinking. Actually, pretty much the only place on the planet where there is a growing middle class is Africa. Of course, wealth disparity is growing everywhere.
@@nicktw8688 Wealth disparity is growing because we are running out of natural resources while the population keeps increasing. As a result, there is paper money but production is stagnating. If the "rich" wanted to spend all their wealth to obtain actual (non-virtual) goods, they would soon find out that they are not that rich anymore (and cause a massive inflation in the process). In other words, everyone, including the rich, is getting poorer in real terms, but the non-rich get to feel it first. Meanwhile we only keep increasing budgets for the destruction of real wealth, e.g. military and war.
I learned programming, security, and forensics back in 2012, but I never pursued a career in it. It looked soul draining, and I could sense where all this was going, so I remained a chef. It's tough... but it feels real!😊
Hahaha, learned programming, security and forensics in 2012. Anyone working in any of those fields would laugh about those lies. I'm pretty sure the real reason for you not pursuing a career in those fields are because it would be obvious right away this is only in your fantasy world. It takes years of work experience to learn only 1 of those fields. Oh well, you could of course be the highest iq chef in history.. smh..
@@r4dios1lence92 yep these guys continually avoid actually paying out but also don't let their so called contractors to negotiate their prices. No, the entire reason contractors aren't given benefits is bc everyone assumes they are setting their own prices and wouldn't work against their own best interests. 🤬
None of the people here were working on this against her or his will. They could have been spending 5 minutes looking for a real job instead of wasting their time. It's their fault.
@@SimoneCarp Much to learn you must have. To unlearn what you have learned if you think it's a matter of choice when a person is poor, desperate and other situations alike. But then again... for what I know, you might be one that takes advantage of people in the same way, or you work for someone who does, or simply you are too young to understand or too privileged.
@@benderthefourth3445 oh sure. Since they are poor, they MUST be stupid, in your opinion. They'll never be able to find a way to earn real money, so let's dump the responsibility on the rich who are offering money for low-skilled tasks.
@@tim_koch14 I do. But let's recognize the limitations placed on them, they have to eat as well and yet still manage to help. If you ask me, the problem is power dynamics not a bunch of people.
@@pooyankhosravi5337 I agree they're not the root of the problem. They're just trained to apply a fixed ruleset and most would probably rather do another job if they had the opportunity.
No we are not. They are censoring stuff typically that has no violence or threats. That's why most of us only comment on more open platforms where real discussions can be had, like 9GAG.
This story is close to me. I work as chat moderator for six years. AI tech is in the corner and my salary even decreased. What five years ago payed me 800-900 dollars now pays 300 or less and I work more to maintain the level of work and do everything properly. I saw the worst of humanity on sexual levels. The harsh reality is that the job I do for 6 cents I know somebody does the same in the Philippines for 3 or less. 50 dollars is different value in the US and in low-income 3rd world countries. These companies find legal loopholes to do things still in the legal way but more close to slavery in front of the monitor for 8-12 hours a day.
You should have taken the resources from the job to improve your skills. Did you think that job was going to pay the same rate for 20 years? I'm honestly confused as to what people are thinking when they go to work, that X job will pay Y rate for a century?
@@ZevUhuru Thank you for your comment but sometimes when you are in a situation to survive you take all kinds of jobs. And you don't know or understand my circumstances and in this case other click-workers. When it is about what you eat at the end of the day or what languages you speak what matters? Sometimes you CAN NOT find other jobs. So there is a choice between this or something even worse. What would you choose? You would let your kid go to school with no shoes? Have you ever been in the Phillipoines? Eastern Europe? India? Until you not face extreme poverty I don't think your comment makes sense without knowing the full picture.
Are there others in your country who have been able to level up? I also come from a 3rd world country working in IT where I made about $50 a month. I was able to escape that condition by making sacrifices. Spending about an hour a day or on the weekends learning new skills. Now I make over 100x more because I was able to upskill. It’s not easy when you’re in this situation but it’s very possible
That’s not quite right. It implies that those who are better off do nothing. I fully agree that those at the bottom are paid disproportionately little and those at the top paid disproportionately too much.
@@juandelacruz1520 that's not how it happens, because you're also the one exploiting others as you buy the products for cheap, everyone wants the cheap option, that's how the world works. if you don't do it, others will
You have to out tech the Figure8 techhole. Write a patch program to use an online A.I. to answer Figure8 task questions. It would be two years before Lucas the Techhole would figure it out.
Rebrand. You posted this 2 weeks ago. I'm frankly amazed the company still exists under that name. Probably because this is a French vid so very few people will in fact ever see it.
This made me feel an utter disgust towards social media companies. Looks like our parents weren't wrong at all by saying it. What does us kids know about life anyways!
because there is no real police in those lands where the video was recorded, best thing people can do is spread the word and hope someone else with power comes do the help
@@1AEGIS Those videos of murderers are flagged by those people that you see in video, that flags exist in facebook database, then there is machine learning process that creates neurons web from those flags and there is no more people included in process. Now facebook can do what you are talking about with that data (call police), its their data, they can talk to police and goverments to share that data for decent amount of money, or do it for free.
Most of those videos are probably put up (or shared) by random people who don't even know the creator. The ones that are ESPECIALLY extreme often spread through private groups in encrypted apps (like telegram). And even if the actual "creator" was dumb enough to post it themselves, I doubt that they'll actually put up accurate info about their location or identity next to a gore/murder video... Also, many of the moderators are outsourced workers in distant countries anyways.
I wanted to share my perspective. I work as a customer service agent in one contractor company, that works under one of this video's contractor companies. I learned from this that all of this works as layers - facebook for example hires contractors, and they hire contractor companies too. So for now I can see that there is minimally 3 layers, potentially more. In my case, this is a normal job that pays slightly above minimal wage in EU country, and it's actually a decent pay - you can work from home too, and they give you entire PC. But the ,,client" company is very strict, you need to follow guidelines in every step, there is limited thinking involved, just following client's rules. I was also not told the name of the company till the interview, so that's similar too. I think that this type of job heavily depends on the country - in 3rd world countries, they can get away with paying people cents, and in developed countries, no one is going to work for that - so they pay more. I wonder if people just didn't accept such a low pay, things would be different. Possibly.
Basically about 55-60% of the cost of doing the labor is roughly the amount of energy cost consumed, probably, depending on location...unless you have a very energy efficient workstation. Maine has low energy costs, if I recall correctly. If I did this work on my pc, I probably could scrape by on maybe 200W of power per hour, or 0.2kw/hr, so that's not....that much, but it's definitely a significant portion of the ghost employee's pay. I would not never, and have never, done this type of work. I am not going to help build this network of machines that will replace us. It's definitely not something that will be a healthy thing to have for society. I could probably live with that low monthly pay, if I didn't have bills and such, but even one trip to the grocery store would wipe out a month's worth of pay, and that's probably if I ate like I had no money, which is how I eat and shop anyway.
@@MasterScorpion By law you must adhere to minimal decency of human being and even when the occupant is willing can't offer and unfair and damaging offer.
Yes, but that applies to basically anything you do online. How fast do you scroll through a page, which links do you click, what ads does your mouse hover on, how fast do you click skip ad, etc, etc. All of that is data for AIs nowadays. And that's not even mentioning the actual work that goes into sites like Wikipedia, code on Github, or art that is published online and gobbled up by data crawlers. Image generators work thanks to the works of thousands of artists who publish work (for sale normally) online. Code generators work thanks to the millions of lines of open source code published online. The AI industry not only has complete disregard for labor conditions, but also has a complete disregard for privacy and copyright.
Great video. More info like this needs to come out. Remember Nike’s use of slave labour in the late 90s. The world stood up in a big way to call them out. AI companies are the new Nikes and we need a similar response.
I'm kind of worried for Gregoire. I hope Accenture doesn't go after him for sneaking in a hidden camera and exposing the truth. I hope the journalists get protection. :((
Thank you for making this documentary. I’m so naive and don’t recognise these types of jobs exist in the tech sector. These workers need more support financially and mentally. It’s completely wrong how those greedy tech companies treating them.
It was all fun and games when he wanted to talk about that office Foozball, lunch area, with his manufactured laugh, but as soon as she asked dough boy about salary, he has “stuff” to do. 🙄
Facebook is also outsourcing these jobs in the 3rd worlds where they can pay even cheaper. Im from the Philippines, and there are many call centers handling these jobs at a much lower rate.
I had an similar job as an "Data Analyst" where I indirectly worked for Google where we had to review Google Ads & UA-cam videos. There were many different types of tasks but mainly it were related the Google Adsense like if the google search keyboard matches the google ad OR where to place the ad in a YT video, for example. I got paid around 18000 Rs. a month (around 200-215$) which is common in my country for an entry level fresher job with no skill requirement. The work was boring and repetitive. Each day I felt like I was dumbing down. Also I was told it's a Data Analyst job but I found out that I'm reviewing ads after I joined. I left that job and currently working as a Software Dev. This job has put my career back by like 2 years and I have been catching up since.
@@deotekel see if tiktok monetization is available in ur country, then reupload there 15 seconds of yt vids. Tiktok monetization isn't available for u? then reupload random tiktok videos on yt. its up to you what niche. with time you also will start to become creative and edit those videos. like i did on my channel, but here all is my content
I lived in one of those part of the world you might consider a third world country, had worked on some of these sites but the pay was nothing to write home about. I couldn't afford a leaving with this sort of pay. And in some cases, your work could be flagged as inaccurate and you get to go home with nothing at the end of the day. Like what any sane person would do, I had to quit. Even though I am unemployed at the moment, the pay is not worth the amount of mental energy I put into it.
It is amazing that Google allows this video to be up, since it is critical of Google. According to the Tech shareholders, robots are supposed to take over the dull, dangerous and dirty.
It's simple, they know we aren't going to do anything about it. The people working there were already out of options and the people who don't, make fun of their struggle or do nothing
Social media is in fact the central cause of all of society's problems today. Think about a societal issue, consider how social media might be making it worse if not causing it. You'll realize that facebook and similar social media are at the center of all of it. What can we do? Stay away from it. Seriously delete those apps that make you think twice sometimes and never look back. Thank me later.
No, social media algorithms should be VERY regulated to the point where negative content is not shown to users and it becomes only fun to use social media for 15 minutes at a time until it gets boring, social media like snapchat is what it should be like, but stories should never expire to prevent addiction. This should be for ALL ages, not just minors. There was a mass violent activity in Myanmar because of Facebook's algorithm, and overall more polarization in society.
@@the_mariocrafter of course it should be very regulated, it's the biggest danger to democracy. Why do you think fascism is on the rise around the world?
huh? how is social media bad? with a hammer u can work or hit someone. u can't say is good or evil, lol. u use social media to share what is to be shared. like entertaining, corruption, tutorials for learning skills
@@drhxa what makes u think i want to open a netflix ? u just said go off social media. netflix is a social media as well. this 'social' is like a monologue, because only the film actors speak to you, they can't hear u. but is still social exchange of a media file
19:30 Wait, so she works 40 hours a week on the Figure Eight site tasks. That's 160 hours per month. And she earns $250/month? If my math's right, that's $250/ 160 hours = $1.56/hour???? Why do that work at all?
Companies can demand the work they need at the price that suits them, it is up to the worker to accept or look for other alternatives. We assume that we are free to choose, if people are desperate and forced to work in something that does not suit them, then the problem is with the labor market for certain types of conditions (remote and does not require degrees or certifications), those people need to improve their employability, but forcing companies will never generate more jobs or better conditions in the medium and long term.
It's so disheartening watching young men like this 5:59 wandering around playing boss with other people's money making millions doing... labelling. Meanwhile my husband works himself to the bone in a factory for next to nothing.
@@Github_tech_with_ty no, medical billing and coding. Couldn't make enough money in it and went into factories in his twenties and gained all his experience and skills firsthand. My dad planned to go into the navy and studied geography to work on submarines. Then his program got cancelled so he started working at Radio Shack and put himself through computer classes. He's been working for an HP affiliate for thirty years. Dodges layoffs constantly. All my "uncles" from HP are already laid off now that COVID is over.
@@Github_tech_with_ty , don't be rude to @yvechapman9342 . You know that it is not just about studying computer science that made the difference. That fellow is a rich fellow who went to an elite school that taught him that he could use people like cogs. Clearly, you must understand this.
@@Github_tech_with_ty Most of these have finance degreed, devs are just like chickens to these companies, not their fault just born greed imoral psycopaths
It's an ordinary pyramid of earnings. This is how the world works. As an employee, you may or may not work for company A, B, C, D that pays you for your work. However, if a thousand people do something for someone a day, that person may earn $1,000 a day. $1 from each employee's daily wage. If you have 100,000 of them, you have $100,000. If someone is paid to work for $0.20, he is either naive and stupid, or he earns much more because, for example, he sells something to millions of other people. A cryptocurrency miner will earn more in a day than these people will earn in a month. FB moderators have a hard time. They accept trauma for the rest of their lives for little pay. There is supposedly flagging of content, but would anyone want their child to have to flag when someone's head is decapitated? Probably not. So this job is actually as valuable as the job of a cleaning lady, except that you clean the whole world at the same time.
Not really teaching a machine more of giving the machine more computing data to work with. Machines can’t learn the way a human brain does. It’s more of teaching the algorithm which is made by computational math. Math such as discrete mathematics, linear algebra, etc. The amount of people out there that say math is useless are usually the same people who complain about such things or make blanket statements like this.
We need to start calling out those slave masters. Microsoft is so big into this. I tried few hours and stopped nonsense. People are wasting their lives away for a farthing.
there is something worst than working for low pay and that's working for free. big gaming tech offer a voluntary support application. nobody promises them anything. but people go work there for free for years with a illussion that they gonna get the big dollars one day
They also didn't show the insanely fast rate one would have to work at to make any the approx. $250 the one lady said she makes monthly. She'd have to work with machine-like efficiency, at machine-like speed, and still manage to do good job.
Years ago I watched a documentary about a sweatshop in China that made beads for the Mardigra in NOLA. IT was heatwrenching but it looks like things never change. At least they can stay at home while slaving away! THANK YOU SILUCON VALLEY GODS!
It's certain that this year will bring more challenges. Looking back, I realized that I spent the entire previous year making expensive financial blunders because I was so consumed with worrying about my portfolio. I was forced to decide between raising my investments and purchasing a home. I discovered that the property I had bought needed more work than I had anticipated after deciding to sell my investments. It's becoming more difficult to determine how much longer I can take this.
Invest in companies that provide current cash flows to diversify your portfolio. I hired a planner at the end of 2022 to enhance my portfolio, and in the last ten months, I've made profits in over fifty thousand different marketplaces. Should 2023 teach us anything, it's that luck doesn't last forever. Even in times of abundance, we should put in more effort to prepare for the worst-case scenario.
How can one find a verifiable financial planner? I would not mind looking up the professional that helped you. I will be retiring in two years and I might need some management on my much larger portfolio. Don't want to take any chances.
Tragic how so many people have become the exact name that businesses began calling workers many years ago - Human Resources, a resource no different than a product to be exploited. This is how businesses and the people who own them can blind themselves to what they are creating in the name of money. Social media has potential to connect people, but it seems its tragic side is expanding. How do we as humanity stop this deeply disturbing course? You all know the answer. 🙏
I wonder if these virtual slave workers could unionize online. Then a "strike" could involve something like feeding wrong answers intentionally to the AI until the union's demands are met.
That's part of the reason they are across the globe, if one brach tries to pull something like this, the company will shut it down and move the project to a different subcontractor
@@TheDefirion The Union website membership would be open to all who register. Meetings would be virtual. Anyone from any part of the world can join. The word just needs to get around, so that even new contractors know that they have an alternative to virtual slavery.
it's amazing that the answer you guys always come up with is unions. it's like you're immune to self accountability. you'd rather do something extremely unethical like feed wrong answers to the AI and make demands rather than just improve yourself. it's incredible.
@@twistedspine7300 Improving oneself is fine, but unity and strength in numbers also furthers. The proposed tactics are tools for the toolbox, for when negotiation fail - like certain weapons in our army, they need not be used (nor are they denounced as "unethical" by people). If you have ethical concerns, then simply declare to the other party that those tools can be used against them. They will have their own tools such as firing people, etc., but at least the playing field will be fairer and more transparent.
Global IT industry leverages international labor market for internet gig piecework computer workers to keep labor payments and thus cost extremely low.
Truly remarkable journalism @realstories Exposing the truth in this nuanced and persistent way is the purest form of journalism and I congratulate your whole team of filmmakers. wow. This will stick with me forever. Thank you I hope as many people watch this as possible.
22:34 Is what you're here for... The rest is the realization that this is an actual thing and is actually happening right now. 23:14 is the best part...
These diligent but unfortunate people have some issues like many of us. Taking advantage of their loneliness and vulnerability, our "Modern Pharaohs" have been exploiting them for many years while thinking about how clever they actually are. There is clearly a loophole in the law. Every conversation ends with "Nobody is forcing them. They agree to the terms". If you think this is the way it should be, you either have no empathy or your intellectual capacity is below a certain level to realise that this is exploitation and nothing else. There is a reason why the term "BASE PRICE" was invented.
The average wage for a child (ie. under 14) in INDIA is $10.50 dollars a month. The average salary,unskilled worker in India is $119 dollars a month. The cost of living in India for a poor person is $59 dollars per month. The Tech. slaves in the film are the real slaves, NOT garment workers in India.
@@abacus749 I don't know about India, but I think I watched about Bangladesh I think? And it wasn't just about wages, but: very bad working conditions (stuff like dye in your lungs etc.), working for 12h daily with no weekends or holidays, no breaks, extremely fast speed of sewing, and if you mess a garment up, it's taken off of your wages. Pay might even be liveable if you say so, but all the rest shows the disregard for human life. But yeah, the Americans doing all that stuff for pennies is a terrible thing too. It's different, but also terrible.
Man, absolutely crappy support job as a contractor in EU will yield $800 - $2500, depending on the level. Not even talking further specializations in actually decent companies. To say I’m shocked by this coverage is an understatement.
Hard to believe this was 5 years ago! BIG thanks to the makers of this doco. Now we are 5 years deeper into the darkness. I never dreamed or suspected AI would have such an evil side to it when I first made a video about it a year ago.
I worked for a similar company, and found that it did get better financially if you were careful and built up skill sets, but never more than $5 an hour until I began working on reviewing AI written computer code, which paid more but took hours of unpaid training to master.
@@MrTynanDraper you would need to the skill to see why the AI was wrong in the first place. And if you learned to code just for below minimum wage work then idk what to say
Sobering. Thank you. Content moderation is clearly a GREAT use-case for AI, as are a lot of truly awful jobs out there, like data entry, reviewing inspection reports, validating forms, etc. Sadly, guys like Lucas are always at the forefront of new technologies, applying them in the worst ways possible. We saw the same thing happen in the early days of the industrial revolution where scoundrels created horrific conditions in the factories they ran. Fortunately, history has a way of self-correcting, though admittedly only after tremendous human suffering. The labor unions that grew out of protest against those terrible factory conditions birthed the thriving middle class that grew so wealthy during the last half of the 20th century. I expect the same thing to happen again, though I hope the time we waste on guys like Lucas is very short.
Would it kill the owner of that company to actually pay these contractors a real income? They're based in San Francisco, surely there's a budget for this instead of pennies.
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The threat is not AI, it’s how humans treat other humans.
Yeah it's the economic system that rewards using cheap labor. Now if there wasn't one private owner of a business we wouldn't see as much desperation. If workplaces were owned by the people who work there the people would have enough power to set boundaries.
Not a threat, they are not forced to take the job. The loving government forces your to pay for their services
The worriying part is people doing this comments that sound like a teenager trying to be profound and people liking it
PLS WATCH THE DANGERS OF AI TO HUMANITY
@@CarlosJuarez-eb5gx and you have nothing more than an ad hominem argument to offer, very profound!
It was amazing to see the Figure Eight founder demeanor changing when he realizes what the interview was really about.
He is exploiting people and he knows it!
yes.
if people are dumb enough to give away their time for pennies, that's on them
@@shellderp If a system is setup so that you have very few options to begin with then its just you who is dumb here.
@@JiminyCrickets Could go work in the fields picking vegetables, but that is considered immigrant work. 😅
@@arcan762 Do you have a point or are you just hating on poor people because youre bored?
When I was living in Portugal, I had a boyfriend who was working for a big tech company. He told me about this work of completing tasks and earning some money at home. It was during the pandemic, and it seemed like an attractive job. I went to the site and completed the form to start receiving the tasks. When I received my first task and looked at the payment, I didn't even start it. 😆
Smart!
You are lucky you are in this position! unlike the other workers who really need the work with no other viable work options - could be illness, geography, or other reasons. For some it is better than nothing at all. And these are the people being exploited.
in some countries the money would be fair but nobody in those countries could afford electricity let alone a computer or wifi lol
And you broke up with him right away because you released his job wasn’t really attractive 😊
@@ShirleyKhamani how are they being exploited? is it mandatory to perform these tasks?
I'm not sure what is worse: moderators cleaning up garbage from social media for pennies, or people committing acts against humanity and posting it on social media for views, and people actually watching it. I cannot understand human behavior.
@@americo9999 it's called sin.
@@cl-7832 no, it's called capitalism
no, it's human biology
Best part is both are happening at the same time!
@@americo9999 people are bored and living without purpose
How these people in charge of these companies sleep at night is beyond me.
They are psychopaths
As Charlie Chapplin said in Great Dictator "greed has poisoned human hearts"
Psychopaths are often successful in business. I am not saying he is one, but he looks very satisfied with himself while talking about paying almost nothing and disposing of workers as if they were trash.
A regular person would feel terrible about the workers. A psychopath would probably feel the opposite: very proud of himself for creating such a "wonderful" system of exploitation.
As psychopaths….they are not burdened by normal morality, guilt, shame ect….
@@justmeagain7this is one of the easiest cases of identification of a pycho ive seen
Well, how else is the internet supposed to be monitored? There has to be someone to train the algorithms, it does not train itself.. yet. Also, as for pay, most companies won't pay good money unless they absolutely need your contribution, if someone in the phillipines is willing to do this for 3 cents the hour, then that is the new pay bar. They are contractors, so they agreed to get paid that amount.
Geez, the way that CEO started breaking a sweat as soon as he was confronted about work conditions says it all!
Slavery was never abolished, it was just normalised as debt and wage slavery…
Poetic, but false.
@@JimMilton1 is it tho? All Roman cities were similar. In the central area was the Forum, the Temples of the gods and the market, not far from the Theater, the Gladiator Arena and, of course, the Public Baths. Some of them, like the Baths of Caracalla in Rome, were immense, true cathedrals. The Roman public baths had heated floors, abundant running water and three rooms (Caldarium, Tepidarium and Frigidarium). Below the floor was a hellish labyrinth in which slaves stoked the fires in the boilers, controlled the temperature, and maintained the pipes to ensure a supply of hot and warm water, as well as underfloor heating. When Rome fell and the other Roman cities were sacked by barbarians, almost all of these Thermae were completely destroyed. They were hated by the slaves who worked in them, because they symbolized the opulence and oppression of a civilization that extracted maximum luxury and comfort from the misery of those forced to work in inhumane conditions under the floor of the Thermae. Nowadays, the work of Big Tech's algorithmized slaves is the equivalent of the work of Roman slaves in Thermae, and it is this rotten and disgusting reality beneath the surface of our society that this video shows. Sp . . . ?
Exactly. Capitalism is slavery.
@@JimMilton1 think again in slavery you had to feed, shelter and clothe slaves. Now you throw few pennies and thats it.
But many people gets into debts they could avoid. For example, buying expensive cars. I know many people with very low salaries having very expensive cars.
Those FB moderators having to see that garbage for pennies a day and end up with PTSD. Those people have to endure the worst of humanity.😢
They are being paid to develop mental problems! It couldn't be otherwise
They don’t „have“ to. Their minds and their environment and situations simply makes it more difficult them to pursue other options.
Nobody is forcing then. If they're that foolish we are doomed.
@@OneAdam12AdamYes they are! I got offered that job once when I was at the lowest point of my life. Broke and in debt. Didn't finished college due to lack of money. Poverty is not a f*cking choice. For some that is their only option
There is a saying here, "kapit patalim". It means hold on to whatever nails just to survive. You're an american. Of course your privileged butt doesn't know anything about enduring whatever nasty jobs there is to survive. The only reason these minimum wage jobs exist is because you people are too spoiled to take it.
No, they willingly accept pennies for the task of viewing content that could cost their employer money and legal issues. If I had to guess, I would say all the secrecy is because the content is just flagged, viewed, and removed keeping the company as far removed as possible. The end.
The people in the content, those are the people who have to endure the worst of humanity...not the people who are willing to scrub it from the site before anyone sees, for a little change. If it is "PTSD" inducing, why are they still viewing and removing instead of shouting from the rooftops the names of the people who are uploading the content? That terrible thing they had to watch, was worse for the person it happened to who may have to endure it again, but yeah, let's just make sure it's not a FB problem.
"this is not the type of questions we were prepared for" hahaha i wish i could say that on my exams :DDDD
Around the midpoint when they start to ask questions about labor and wages, and the "genius tech CEO" literally just says "yeah, I don't wanna do this anymore..." and practically walks off...What kind-of boss is this? And then even his PR flunky is like "oh, I actually have to get to a meeting as well," even though he clearly had all the time in the world a minute before. That NO ONE at a prominent tech firm can answer even basic questions about labor without just saying "yeah, I'm not doing this," perhaps shows their attitude.
It's because the only thing they care about is industry disruption and making as much money as quickly as possible no matter the consequences. It's wild how much the tech industry has turned "disruption" into a positive thing when it obviously disrupts everything through ripple effects. The CEO serves his investors, he couldn't care less about his labor source.
He was unlikable from minute one. Walking around, giggling at his own jokes in every half minute. Had I not know he was the boss, I would think he was the office idiot who is very smart at avoiding work and keeping his job.
How an apparently successfull CEO can act so lacking of confidence is crazy and embarassing. There were lots of options to handle this better.
@@sendmorerum8241 It sounds precisely like what a CEO is!
He's a f*cking child.
the way his confidence changed when asked the real questions...
he foldet preety quickly haha
He was a fumbling mess. His 'confidence' is a facade regardless. He seems like a tool.
he was just worried about the sale price of his company....
I was a labor lawyer. Before that I was a worker. Over the last three decades I have seen 9 documentaries like this one from various media outlets. That's the problem. The media would like you to believe that they are on the side of the workers. The workers in Congo and the workers in the US. But they are not. They present this investigative journalism in such a way that unless you are trained in the field of the history of labor law and you have been following up on it you will have no idea as to the prevalence of this abuses and how little is being done about it at the political level. Slavery was abolished only in principle
@@bohiorepublic Labour lawyers are workers, unless self-employed. And I don't believe you were ever one.
I remember being hard-up for extra cash around 2007 and trying out Amazon's Mechanical Turk. A lot of it was creating machine learning training data like what is depicted in this video. It is some of the most boring, soul-draining, low-paying work I've ever done. I would recommend almost any kind of work over this.
Its literally supply and demand at its core and people in the comments refuse to actually understand this... I would take minimum wage in ANY state for doing mechanical Turk I've done stuff like it and its so easy.
Data labeling is the textile factory of the 21st century.
@@rere-x6g Only bootlicking shills refuse to understand.
All Roman cities were similar. In the central area was the Forum, the Temples of the gods and the market, not far from the Theater, the Gladiator Arena and, of course, the Public Baths. Some of them, like the Baths of Caracalla in Rome, were immense, true cathedrals. The Roman public baths had heated floors, abundant running water and three rooms (Caldarium, Tepidarium and Frigidarium). Below the floor was a hellish labyrinth in which slaves stoked the fires in the boilers, controlled the temperature, and maintained the pipes to ensure a supply of hot and warm water, as well as underfloor heating. When Rome fell and the other Roman cities were sacked by barbarians, almost all of these Thermae were completely destroyed. They were hated by the slaves who worked in them, because they symbolized the opulence and oppression of a civilization that extracted maximum luxury and comfort from the misery of those forced to work in inhumane conditions under the floor of the Thermae. Nowadays, the work of Big Tech's algorithmized slaves is the equivalent of the work of Roman slaves in Thermae, and it is this rotten and disgusting reality beneath the surface of our society that this video shows. Is there any doubt about this?
Very interesting analogy 👌
I work in tech and make $20k a year. I'm working on leaving the US, and when I retire I'll be very happy if I never touch a transistor or 'scope probe again. I use a flip phone, and get by computer-wise by buying used laptops and using them until they die. I hate tech.
Yeah, the thing is that it's not new. It's been there for thousands of years, but in different forms.
You have no understanding of history and modernization.
And yet it's not Romans but another group of people that are called 'barbarians' in history books
'When there was work for a man, ten men fought for it- fought with a low wage. If that fella’ll work for thirty cents, I’ll work for twenty-five. If he’ll take twenty-five, I’ll do it for twenty. No, me, I’m hungry. I’ll work for fifteen. I’ll work for food. The kids. You ought to see them. Little boils, like, comin’ out, an’ they can’t run aroun’. Give ’em some windfall fruit, an’ they bloated up. Me, I’ll work for a little piece of meat.
And this was good, for wages went down and prices stayed up. The great owners were glad and they sent out more handbills to bring more people in. And wages went down and prices stayed up. And pretty soon now we’ll have serfs again'
- The Grapes of Wrath, John Steinbeck, 1939
Poignant.
@@pointfrogg 🤝
(((Steinbeck)))
Atleast in this story you know, how wretched your situation is. Imagine competing with thousands of people for an incentive, an intresting looking carrot. The carrot seems bigger every passing year. You keep chasing after the carrots, oneday you run out of time and die. You used the carrots you got to buy pointless useless things from the market to try to make you feel better to help you forget the job that you hate. The person who showed you the carrots and motivated you to chase them, also owned all the stores in the market. A win win for him. Imagine wasting a whole life and not even realising the wretched story all along. Story of modern day capitalism and it's labour force.
Seems like a great book
Why is Search so bad these days? In the old days of the internet, you placed something in a search bar and got a SPECIFIC search result - now you insert a search request, and you age EVERYTHING: Example: You want 28" curtains, now when you search, you get curtains up to 108" inches...it truly sucks! In the old days, you put quote marks around your search term, you got search results ONLY for that specific request!
I have experienced exacly what you are saying. There are times where I need to google something very specific, very technical. The dumb internet just gives me the generic crap.
It's a mixture of marketing and censorship when Google is giving you the results _it_ wants you to see instead of the ones _you_ wanted to see.
That's why you have to use other search engines. Use Startpage instead. There are many other search engines aside from Google.
Use other search engines. (UA-cam keeps deleting my comments!)
It is bad. Use other s34rch engines. (I literally have to spell it like this, because UA-cam keep deleting my comments)
please, please, please do a doc. on the gamification of employment and how people are treated like players in a video game
to get rewards, etc...and the dark side of how big tech co's and others are on the track to this becoming the norm,.. and showing the history of normal employment into the tech world. And how the competition is making prices go lower. While humans are competing with robots, slaves/incarcerated, and those in the developing world
@@apricotcomputers7915 that’s interesting. As a recently trained secondary school teacher in Europe, we ve been massively pushed towards the gamification of teaching and learning. I guess that plays its role in turning kids into robots.
And a small comment on this topic related to teachers work rights: of course the new tech-teaching and new pedagogies that are being introduced in the EU have doubled the amount of work for teachers without any kind of increase in wage or labour benefits.
The way this Biewald guy talks about his 'contractors' at the entrepreneur meeting is so callous and dehumanizing. It really sent a chill down my spine.
@MK86-channel it already came back to bite his butt with this documentary. I hope it will soon come back again, but in a much harder way.
Psychopaths are often successful in business. I am not saying he is one, but he looks very satisfied with himself while talking about paying almost nothing and disposing of workers as if they were trash.
@@justmeagain7 I don't even think he's a psychopath. It's pretty obvious from the way he acts that he knows he's doing something bad and it's making him uncomfortable. He's just choosing to ignore it for profit.
@@nicolajandersen8826 A psychopath can know that something is bad based on how society views that thing, rather than their own emotions or conscience. They frequently pretend to be moral individuals because they know their goals will be harder to achieve if society condemns their absence of ethics. Anyone with a functioning sense of ethics would not choose to exploit other people this way.
And for these last 2 comments, my friends, this is how sociopaths function.
@justmeagain7 One of the 3 guys in charge of Nestea (and the rest of what one finds in supermarkets) was revolted, when acused, about the people's idea that water should be for free! Who says water should be for free? There is a youtube video about their history. The world is ruled by mentally disturbed people.
"We help them remove a lot of bullies from their website"… says the boss who flagrantly mocked his employee a minute earlier. What an absolute muppet.
he was just strange all along the video - gave me bad vibes
UA-cam uses their service I'm quite sure, or something similar. They run sentiment analysis on it user's comments and then shadowban them based on the results.
This dehumanising dystopia is sickening.
What's the alternative?
@@ZevUhuru North korea?
@@ZevUhuru Pay a decent wage, these companies aren't poor.
@@bakeraus nobody is forcing people to accept 30 cents/hr. Supply and demand.
@@catpowerro1110 Of course not but laws, unions and regulations are there to protect people from exploitation. The same reason they are there to protect workers from unsafe work places. You need a standard or companies just f people.
To say that people in 3rd world countries should/can survive with such low pay is why the world is so upside-down. I am from a third-world country and only those living in poverty have these salaries.
Only 5th world people can live on that 😆
By design I’m sure.
I am a third worlder and working in IT for richer countries. I am very wealthy now.
@@dieglhix when you work in 1st world and spend in third world yes you are rich so it seems
Letting goods travel frictionless made the world vastly more unequal and letting labor travel frictionless (while people are still bound by borders) is going to make things so much worse.
The moderators take the PTSD that the rest of us would suffer from, if these things were left on the internet. They have my greatest thanks and deserve so much better.
Yes, the PTSD of suffering to know the truth about Trump, Biden, Harris and everything else you close your eyes from.
Sure but the issue comes when those moderators, traumatized, so habituated to wave the ban hammer, comes after YOU simply for using words from the dictionary or naming historical facts or even just mention the Lernean Hydra at all.
@@CheesecakeJohnson-g7q Lol what? Did you even watch this video? They mostly DON'T ban things.
My former employer was working furiously to replace workers with AI. They spent immense energy on trying to brainwash us that they were treating us well rather than actually treating us well. They did not pay a livable wage here in the US and I shudder to think how they treated their overseas employees.
Thinking of starting a podcast to discuss these labor issues. Would anyone listen?
@@JuliannaParadis yep, it would be interesting :)
Definitely..
Yes, people need to know. I don’t think most people realize this is taking place.
You'd be speaking about a major pain point for a lot of Americans right now. That'd likely get a good bit of traction
Yes
The system runs on the back of the 99% poor people, but hates them at the same time.
That’s why they´re barely kept alive but unable to change their highly dependent situation.
@@jermainemyrn19 Since time immemorial.
@@arbitrary_username that's Exactly why
@@gorongo4202 it's crazy watching how most people don't see it
For every CEO profile on Linkedin & Co. there are hidden slaves in the world involved to keep up the title... either directly or through conctrator firms...
At 9:17 of the video, Lukas Biewald knows very well how much these people are paid, not 10 cents per box you drew around a person, I was offered only 1 cent and I can only get paid if I accumulate $100, and there are penalties for "wrong" boxing. And people like him are profiting off people like me. The world is so unfair...
@@trulyawesome sucks to be stupid ig
Being paid only if you accumulate $100 is basically a strategy to exploit people who do some work and then never return. What a morally bankrupt corporate practice.
I am a 3rdyear college student specializing in machine learning I never envisioned AI to be used like this... AI should be for making our lives better, like predicting disasters or combatting diseases. I love Machine learning for how beautiful its underlying mathematics is, and I thank you for opening my eyes to this side of it. I appreciate everyone who made this video possible!
Sapolskys lectures are free on youtube. It is human nature. It is evolution. There is no free will. Don't beat yourself up. You did not choose these incentive structures. You were born into it.
All corporations work like this
How does one pay for Internet service off 30¢ an hour, much less live?
How does one pay for Internet service off 30¢ an hour, much less live?
Now since you have learned the dark truth behind this field, Now quit your degree and find some other domain.. !!!! @leeris19
It would cost you more to turn on the computer than you would make in an hour
Exactly what I thought
Electricity charges and cost of buying a computer, plus the food you eat during that time frame
3$ an hour for Bangladesh is much more liveable than in the USA. My setup costs around 0.11€ to run per hour. So at the lower end, workers would need to run a Mini PC or a Laptop to break even 🥲
From what it seems the US people they interviewed have mental problems. They live off social benefits and the "work" is there to keep them occupied.
Especially Apple devices which were all it were shown. I was wondering the same thing. Go love your apple and be robbed at the same time. This is also the reason why 'microtasks' have to be perfomed by someone else in the first place.
Wow, am I the only one. Who sees lablers working for free, low key. It's websites that wants you to click on the pictures that has a bike, train, or whatever. These websites say their testing to see if your a robot. But, now I see that's not the case.
I can see now why the tech world has so much lay offs.This is a humble eye opener.
the tech world has become a husk of what it promised all those years ago and is now just a cesspool of greed, exploitation, abuse, lies, and scams
because they had to hire so many incompetent people the last 12 years cause lack of talent and people working in the sector.
@@felicianothorpe8998 it’s simple. They don’t care about you.
The core people wasn't fired.
@@tomasprochazka6198correct. The core in this case being CEOs, sycophants and shareholders.
I'm sorry but as a person living in Africa, I don't understand how these people are surviving on these wages. For 8 hours/day this is absolutely criminal considering the cost of your ISP.
Might as well sell baked goods and go knocking door to door. Your efforts will yield much better profits.
I mow lawns because teenagers don’t do that anymore.
They do it there too. The big tech companies are outsourcing this in Kenya and other African countries. Same results and traumatization of the workers.
I think the documentary is bs. No sane person is going to work for 30 cents per hour if they can earn more flipping burgers or collecting trash. Maybe they do it for personal entertainment or as a hobby, but you can't call that work.
That’s why the middle class in all developed economies is shrinking. Actually, pretty much the only place on the planet where there is a growing middle class is Africa. Of course, wealth disparity is growing everywhere.
@@nicktw8688 Wealth disparity is growing because we are running out of natural resources while the population keeps increasing. As a result, there is paper money but production is stagnating. If the "rich" wanted to spend all their wealth to obtain actual (non-virtual) goods, they would soon find out that they are not that rich anymore (and cause a massive inflation in the process). In other words, everyone, including the rich, is getting poorer in real terms, but the non-rich get to feel it first. Meanwhile we only keep increasing budgets for the destruction of real wealth, e.g. military and war.
28:40 The crazy guy that left without saying goodbye is definitely a psychopath.
“We can find someone else to talk about this stuff” 😂 he was crapping his pants
Narrator: *They didn't find anyone else to talk about this stuff*
I learned programming, security, and forensics back in 2012, but I never pursued a career in it. It looked soul draining, and I could sense where all this was going, so I remained a chef. It's tough... but it feels real!😊
But as a chef you're still cutting up and cooking dead things constantly
Smart move!
@@abramjones9091 not really, there's a whole lot more to cheffing than preparing meat, fish, and applying heat
@@EEX97623 of course, but my point was that it's still dirty business
Hahaha, learned programming, security and forensics in 2012. Anyone working in any of those fields would laugh about those lies. I'm pretty sure the real reason for you not pursuing a career in those fields are because it would be obvious right away this is only in your fantasy world. It takes years of work experience to learn only 1 of those fields. Oh well, you could of course be the highest iq chef in history.. smh..
Called the people doing the drawing boxes "contractors". A "contractor" that doesn't set their own rate isn't a contractor, it's an exploited worker.
@@r4dios1lence92 yep these guys continually avoid actually paying out but also don't let their so called contractors to negotiate their prices. No, the entire reason contractors aren't given benefits is bc everyone assumes they are setting their own prices and wouldn't work against their own best interests. 🤬
💯 You're absolutely right and I am glad you made that point for all to read!
Yes also contractors typically sign a .. contract lol
They should take revenge by labeling things incorrectly .
@@aatifaquil9624 :cat: "Marked as inappropriate"
Yeah he was all laughs and jokes up until the akward questions started people like him repulse me raised with a silver spoon no doubt.
Exactly!
Definitely raised with a silver spoon and privilege. He doesn't know how other people live... nor does he care.
He was fake accually...based on him you wonder if that company has any value
I tried to start a company like this. Only I wanted it to be aimed at actually helping the humans in the loop.
The figure 8 supervillain didn’t se these questions coming?
30 cents for an hour of a human being's time. Words escape me and will never return.
None of the people here were working on this against her or his will. They could have been spending 5 minutes looking for a real job instead of wasting their time. It's their fault.
@@SimoneCarp Much to learn you must have. To unlearn what you have learned if you think it's a matter of choice when a person is poor, desperate and other situations alike. But then again... for what I know, you might be one that takes advantage of people in the same way, or you work for someone who does, or simply you are too young to understand or too privileged.
@@benderthefourth3445 oh sure. Since they are poor, they MUST be stupid, in your opinion. They'll never be able to find a way to earn real money, so let's dump the responsibility on the rich who are offering money for low-skilled tasks.
@@benderthefourth3445 he's objectively correct. you're the one with something to learn, and it's called accountability.
If it is an microwork, the miscro-taxes are probably other level.
Dear YT moderators, we are grateful for your service.
I hope you realize that removing the ugly stuff is just a side effect of all the censorship they have to do for big tech and intelligence agencies.
@@tim_koch14 I do. But let's recognize the limitations placed on them, they have to eat as well and yet still manage to help. If you ask me, the problem is power dynamics not a bunch of people.
@@pooyankhosravi5337 I agree they're not the root of the problem. They're just trained to apply a fixed ruleset and most would probably rather do another job if they had the opportunity.
No we are not. They are censoring stuff typically that has no violence or threats. That's why most of us only comment on more open platforms where real discussions can be had, like 9GAG.
This story is close to me. I work as chat moderator for six years. AI tech is in the corner and my salary even decreased. What five years ago payed me 800-900 dollars now pays 300 or less and I work more to maintain the level of work and do everything properly. I saw the worst of humanity on sexual levels.
The harsh reality is that the job I do for 6 cents I know somebody does the same in the Philippines for 3 or less. 50 dollars is different value in the US and in low-income 3rd world countries. These companies find legal loopholes to do things still in the legal way but more close to slavery in front of the monitor for 8-12 hours a day.
You should have taken the resources from the job to improve your skills. Did you think that job was going to pay the same rate for 20 years? I'm honestly confused as to what people are thinking when they go to work, that X job will pay Y rate for a century?
@@ZevUhuru Thank you for your comment but sometimes when you are in a situation to survive you take all kinds of jobs. And you don't know or understand my circumstances and in this case other click-workers. When it is about what you eat at the end of the day or what languages you speak what matters? Sometimes you CAN NOT find other jobs. So there is a choice between this or something even worse. What would you choose? You would let your kid go to school with no shoes? Have you ever been in the Phillipoines? Eastern Europe? India?
Until you not face extreme poverty I don't think your comment makes sense without knowing the full picture.
Are there others in your country who have been able to level up? I also come from a 3rd world country working in IT where I made about $50 a month. I was able to escape that condition by making sacrifices. Spending about an hour a day or on the weekends learning new skills. Now I make over 100x more because I was able to upskill. It’s not easy when you’re in this situation but it’s very possible
@@ZevUhuruThis blaming the victim mentality has got to go. It’s not 1955 anymore.
Clean it up, jannie!
This is how our economic system works, everything is running on the backs of the poor who are doing all of the work.
Amazon can tell you more about that.
That’s not quite right. It implies that those who are better off do nothing. I fully agree that those at the bottom are paid disproportionately little and those at the top paid disproportionately too much.
@@JE4-1 I'm hoping that one day this people who exploited the poor and weak will suffer far more than the people whom they exploited...
@@juandelacruz1520 that's not how it happens, because you're also the one exploiting others as you buy the products for cheap, everyone wants the cheap option, that's how the world works. if you don't do it, others will
Yes America! Isn't it the greatest. We're #1. No one creates Ulta wealthy people like we do.
You have to out tech the Figure8 techhole. Write a patch program to use an online A.I. to answer Figure8 task questions. It would be two years before Lucas the Techhole would figure it out.
The social media cleanup job is exactly the horror shown in A Clockwork Orange. This is now an industry! Good God.
@@anandsharma7430 yes it shows how messed up social media is with little or no regulation
It's something like surfing on the darkweb.
Or the Movie, Brazil.
@@mrpmj00 Yes, there is glut of minimum wage jobs everywhere. (sarcasm)
I thank goodness for it because if they don’t do it then our kids will see all that crap.
Figure Eight likely had a job opening for a new P.R. spokesperson shortly after this interview concluded.
@@user-yg1dg6xm2g 🤣🤣
They outsourced it to a figure eight trained ai
DEI
I thought the same 😂
Rebrand. You posted this 2 weeks ago. I'm frankly amazed the company still exists under that name. Probably because this is a French vid so very few people will in fact ever see it.
This made me feel an utter disgust towards social media companies. Looks like our parents weren't wrong at all by saying it. What does us kids know about life anyways!
For anyone wondering, Figure Eight was acquired for $300,000,000 in 2019.
by whom?
@@louisefleming3117 APPEN
efbiai open up
Appen bought them for $300m
A third of a billion....wow.
Videos of murders get deleted and not reported to police? Seriously?
Calling french police - "hello, i saw this video of muslims decapitating young boy, at the middle of nowhere, please arrest them"
because there is no real police in those lands where the video was recorded, best thing people can do is spread the word and hope someone else with power comes do the help
@@1AEGIS Those videos of murderers are flagged by those people that you see in video, that flags exist in facebook database, then there is machine learning process that creates neurons web from those flags and there is no more people included in process. Now facebook can do what you are talking about with that data (call police), its their data, they can talk to police and goverments to share that data for decent amount of money, or do it for free.
Most of those videos are probably put up (or shared) by random people who don't even know the creator. The ones that are ESPECIALLY extreme often spread through private groups in encrypted apps (like telegram). And even if the actual "creator" was dumb enough to post it themselves, I doubt that they'll actually put up accurate info about their location or identity next to a gore/murder video... Also, many of the moderators are outsourced workers in distant countries anyways.
Why your issue with Muslims . You have 5 millions in France alone @@grzegorzsenetra5164
I wanted to share my perspective. I work as a customer service agent in one contractor company, that works under one of this video's contractor companies. I learned from this that all of this works as layers - facebook for example hires contractors, and they hire contractor companies too. So for now I can see that there is minimally 3 layers, potentially more. In my case, this is a normal job that pays slightly above minimal wage in EU country, and it's actually a decent pay - you can work from home too, and they give you entire PC. But the ,,client" company is very strict, you need to follow guidelines in every step, there is limited thinking involved, just following client's rules. I was also not told the name of the company till the interview, so that's similar too. I think that this type of job heavily depends on the country - in 3rd world countries, they can get away with paying people cents, and in developed countries, no one is going to work for that - so they pay more. I wonder if people just didn't accept such a low pay, things would be different. Possibly.
Why everytimes I see video like this, it reminds me of Black Mirror
Because it iS black mirror.
Black Mirror got nothing on reality
More a 'Thought Police' from Orwells '1984' but for a pittance...
Oh, just FYI all you digital foreigners, you could do the same solving live captcha before AI bots could do it themselves back in the day. same wage.
It must cost more in energy running costs than you can possibly get back.
THIS
Energy free energy
Came here to say this
Basically about 55-60% of the cost of doing the labor is roughly the amount of energy cost consumed, probably, depending on location...unless you have a very energy efficient workstation. Maine has low energy costs, if I recall correctly. If I did this work on my pc, I probably could scrape by on maybe 200W of power per hour, or 0.2kw/hr, so that's not....that much, but it's definitely a significant portion of the ghost employee's pay. I would not never, and have never, done this type of work. I am not going to help build this network of machines that will replace us. It's definitely not something that will be a healthy thing to have for society. I could probably live with that low monthly pay, if I didn't have bills and such, but even one trip to the grocery store would wipe out a month's worth of pay, and that's probably if I ate like I had no money, which is how I eat and shop anyway.
one would assume that people would understand how these things work ever since bitcoin mining...
As a senior software engineer and architect the moment I saw Lucas I almost threw up. I’ll just leave it at that
Funny how he immediately leaves. This guys should be put on court for offering such conditions
there is the problem - its an offer ... when you take it - well ...
@@MasterScorpion By law you must adhere to minimal decency of human being and even when the occupant is willing can't offer and unfair and damaging offer.
@@tomizatko3138 which law? - you know where this is going right? ;)
@@El_Nombre-e3x inhuman - how? harm - how? its a crime to sign a contract no one forced you to?
@@MasterScorpion you should google this thing called "Labor Laws" lol
When you do captcha, you are training Ai for free😮
We western people get paid less than those africans and indians 😮
@@turkyturky6274 🥲😟😳im shocked
@turkyturky6274 wow! That's so true
Yes, but that applies to basically anything you do online. How fast do you scroll through a page, which links do you click, what ads does your mouse hover on, how fast do you click skip ad, etc, etc. All of that is data for AIs nowadays. And that's not even mentioning the actual work that goes into sites like Wikipedia, code on Github, or art that is published online and gobbled up by data crawlers. Image generators work thanks to the works of thousands of artists who publish work (for sale normally) online. Code generators work thanks to the millions of lines of open source code published online. The AI industry not only has complete disregard for labor conditions, but also has a complete disregard for privacy and copyright.
The guy in invented captcha also started Duolingo.
Pretty interesting person. The inventors can never be sure how their technology will be used.
The Figure Eight founder is such a liаr, "10 cents forna task", a minute later it turns out it's 15 cents for 180 tasks..
They graduated from pizza parties to virtual badges
True.
Great video. More info like this needs to come out. Remember Nike’s use of slave labour in the late 90s. The world stood up in a big way to call them out. AI companies are the new Nikes and we need a similar response.
Its mopping the floor when you have to close the tap .. the tap is .. business does not have to be clean or just !!! .. it has to make money.
Pretty sure Nike is still a problem
I'm kind of worried for Gregoire. I hope Accenture doesn't go after him for sneaking in a hidden camera and exposing the truth. I hope the journalists get protection. :((
Thank you for making this documentary. I’m so naive and don’t recognise these types of jobs exist in the tech sector. These workers need more support financially and mentally. It’s completely wrong how those greedy tech companies treating them.
It was all fun and games when he wanted to talk about that office Foozball, lunch area, with his manufactured laugh, but as soon as she asked dough boy about salary, he has “stuff” to do. 🙄
Facebook is also outsourcing these jobs in the 3rd worlds where they can pay even cheaper. Im from the Philippines, and there are many call centers handling these jobs at a much lower rate.
My coffee got cold... Haha,but that 10 cent barely came out. 😂
Good catch
I had an similar job as an "Data Analyst" where I indirectly worked for Google where we had to review Google Ads & UA-cam videos. There were many different types of tasks but mainly it were related the Google Adsense like if the google search keyboard matches the google ad OR where to place the ad in a YT video, for example. I got paid around 18000 Rs. a month (around 200-215$) which is common in my country for an entry level fresher job with no skill requirement. The work was boring and repetitive. Each day I felt like I was dumbing down. Also I was told it's a Data Analyst job but I found out that I'm reviewing ads after I joined. I left that job and currently working as a Software Dev. This job has put my career back by like 2 years and I have been catching up since.
u make more by reuploading tiktok vids, ppl should try this
@@1AEGIS I'm interested in this tiktok video thing. Kindly guide me on how to do these jobs.
@@deotekel see if tiktok monetization is available in ur country, then reupload there 15 seconds of yt vids. Tiktok monetization isn't available for u? then reupload random tiktok videos on yt. its up to you what niche. with time you also will start to become creative and edit those videos. like i did on my channel, but here all is my content
@@1AEGIS thanks for this info :)
@@1AEGIS so you're admitting to being a grifter? Yuck. Stealing people's content and monetizing it is a disgusting thing.
I lived in one of those part of the world you might consider a third world country, had worked on some of these sites but the pay was nothing to write home about. I couldn't afford a leaving with this sort of pay. And in some cases, your work could be flagged as inaccurate and you get to go home with nothing at the end of the day. Like what any sane person would do, I had to quit. Even though I am unemployed at the moment, the pay is not worth the amount of mental energy I put into it.
It is amazing that Google allows this video to be up, since it is critical of Google.
According to the Tech shareholders, robots are supposed to take over the dull, dangerous and dirty.
A lowly paid moderation slave hasn’t had a chance to remove it yet!?
@@mrtienphysics666 follow the money not the words they say. The words mean nothing, their actions are what you have to follow.
google doesn't take down videos critical of itself, this is not tiktok
It's simple, they know we aren't going to do anything about it. The people working there were already out of options and the people who don't, make fun of their struggle or do nothing
@@erkinalp I was surprised that google didn't take down the guy who exposed mr beast
When asked where the workers live, the CEO stumbles over his words: “They live all over erm the the world.”
Business classes don't include Geography 101. Thanks Stanford!
Man, lucky me I didn't get a dev job at Accenture!
Amazing video! And super important to know
Social media is in fact the central cause of all of society's problems today.
Think about a societal issue, consider how social media might be making it worse if not causing it. You'll realize that facebook and similar social media are at the center of all of it.
What can we do? Stay away from it. Seriously delete those apps that make you think twice sometimes and never look back. Thank me later.
No, social media algorithms should be VERY regulated to the point where negative content is not shown to users and it becomes only fun to use social media for 15 minutes at a time until it gets boring, social media like snapchat is what it should be like, but stories should never expire to prevent addiction. This should be for ALL ages, not just minors. There was a mass violent activity in Myanmar because of Facebook's algorithm, and overall more polarization in society.
@@the_mariocrafter of course it should be very regulated, it's the biggest danger to democracy. Why do you think fascism is on the rise around the world?
huh? how is social media bad? with a hammer u can work or hit someone. u can't say is good or evil, lol. u use social media to share what is to be shared. like entertaining, corruption, tutorials for learning skills
@@1AEGISI really learned a lot from and enjoyed the movie "The Social Dilemma", highly recommend
@@drhxa what makes u think i want to open a netflix ? u just said go off social media. netflix is a social media as well. this 'social' is like a monologue, because only the film actors speak to you, they can't hear u. but is still social exchange of a media file
19:30 Wait, so she works 40 hours a week on the Figure Eight site tasks. That's 160 hours per month.
And she earns $250/month?
If my math's right, that's $250/ 160 hours = $1.56/hour???? Why do that work at all?
Desperate times.
She could teach English as a second language for better money.
@@LilyGazou In that case I presume that she can work remotely maybe taking care of her children. I'm very sceptical bout this video.
These people are brain dead.
Low self-esteem, no education, no connections, no ambitions, etc.
Companies can demand the work they need at the price that suits them, it is up to the worker to accept or look for other alternatives. We assume that we are free to choose, if people are desperate and forced to work in something that does not suit them, then the problem is with the labor market for certain types of conditions (remote and does not require degrees or certifications), those people need to improve their employability, but forcing companies will never generate more jobs or better conditions in the medium and long term.
You folks are doing a great service to the world by showing the dark reality behind AI to the world!! Subscribed!
It's so disheartening watching young men like this 5:59 wandering around playing boss with other people's money making millions doing... labelling. Meanwhile my husband works himself to the bone in a factory for next to nothing.
Did you husband study computer science?
@@Github_tech_with_ty no, medical billing and coding. Couldn't make enough money in it and went into factories in his twenties and gained all his experience and skills firsthand. My dad planned to go into the navy and studied geography to work on submarines. Then his program got cancelled so he started working at Radio Shack and put himself through computer classes. He's been working for an HP affiliate for thirty years. Dodges layoffs constantly. All my "uncles" from HP are already laid off now that COVID is over.
@@Github_tech_with_ty , don't be rude to @yvechapman9342 . You know that it is not just about studying computer science that made the difference. That fellow is a rich fellow who went to an elite school that taught him that he could use people like cogs. Clearly, you must understand this.
@@Github_tech_with_ty Most of these have finance degreed, devs are just like chickens to these companies, not their fault just born greed imoral psycopaths
the difference is I think your husband works for somebody else whereas he works for himself
Very much PTSD. This is deplorable even without considering the minimal payment.
Ghost workers is just one of the ways big companies are exploiting cheap labors. Oursourcing is another way. Please make more videos on that matter.
Unforgivable the greed sickness that these companies have 🤮 I’m so sorry for those ppl!!
It's an ordinary pyramid of earnings. This is how the world works. As an employee, you may or may not work for company A, B, C, D that pays you for your work. However, if a thousand people do something for someone a day, that person may earn $1,000 a day. $1 from each employee's daily wage. If you have 100,000 of them, you have $100,000. If someone is paid to work for $0.20, he is either naive and stupid, or he earns much more because, for example, he sells something to millions of other people. A cryptocurrency miner will earn more in a day than these people will earn in a month. FB moderators have a hard time. They accept trauma for the rest of their lives for little pay. There is supposedly flagging of content, but would anyone want their child to have to flag when someone's head is decapitated? Probably not. So this job is actually as valuable as the job of a cleaning lady, except that you clean the whole world at the same time.
No, they're not slaves. They agreed to the arrangement and are compensated. They can get another job.
25:09 - 26:30
Pretty much sums it up a lot of the psychology of these ''tech bros''.
29:10 "I'm not disposable" is a great statement!
Figure Eight recently rebranded their name to Appen Global lol
Another problem. They're allowed to keep changing their names to hide their evil. The corporate way.
@@OfficialDanishKhanLodhi it was acquired by appen.Trying their best to hide by removing everything on internet and coming up with new name.
No, they were bought by appen for 300 million
Yay capitalism
@@zS39SBT4fe5Zp8QThe people in the first world aren't even happy. Damn
This made me re-think about the use Facebook and the social media in general. This is a great documentary, very informative.
I would sign up for this job with the whole purpose of giving AI the wrong answers.
If you have to teach a machine a thousand times how to recognize a pedestrian, I don't think the machine is that intelligent...
It isn't.
lol that’s a dumb comment. Training a machine even if it takes 100 million times if the machine works forever then it’s pretty smart to do
You're correct that's why we call it artificial
Just a good slight of hand
Not really teaching a machine more of giving the machine more computing data to work with. Machines can’t learn the way a human brain does.
It’s more of teaching the algorithm which is made by computational math. Math such as discrete mathematics, linear algebra, etc.
The amount of people out there that say math is useless are usually the same people who complain about such things or make blanket statements like this.
We need to start calling out those slave masters. Microsoft is so big into this. I tried few hours and stopped nonsense. People are wasting their lives away for a farthing.
@@247BRIDGE you could probably legitimately earn more money from doing Xbox/Microsoft edge quests
@@awrsish what quests?
there is something worst than working for low pay and that's working for free. big gaming tech offer a voluntary support application. nobody promises them anything. but people go work there for free for years with a illussion that they gonna get the big dollars one day
I wish everyone had food, access to good healthcare and a place to live...I truly wish this for humanity
They also didn't show the insanely fast rate one would have to work at to make any the approx. $250 the one lady said she makes monthly. She'd have to work with machine-like efficiency, at machine-like speed, and still manage to do good job.
Does she need to do a good job? the way i see it you create an auto clicker and abuse the DOM to make it auto click randomly
After I sow this video I deleted all the social media. Thanks for this video.
Good for you!
Except UA-cam of course
Who can rid of UA-cam?@@somethingelse9228
@@somethingelse9228 youtube is not social media
Years ago I watched a documentary about a sweatshop in China that made beads for the Mardigra in NOLA. IT was heatwrenching but it looks like things never change. At least they can stay at home while slaving away! THANK YOU SILUCON VALLEY GODS!
It's certain that this year will bring more challenges. Looking back, I realized that I spent the entire previous year making expensive financial blunders because I was so consumed with worrying about my portfolio. I was forced to decide between raising my investments and purchasing a home. I discovered that the property I had bought needed more work than I had anticipated after deciding to sell my investments. It's becoming more difficult to determine how much longer I can take this.
Take things easy, we've all made mistakes..
Invest in companies that provide current cash flows to diversify your portfolio. I hired a planner at the end of 2022 to enhance my portfolio, and in the last ten months, I've made profits in over fifty thousand different marketplaces. Should 2023 teach us anything, it's that luck doesn't last forever. Even in times of abundance, we should put in more effort to prepare for the worst-case scenario.
How can one find a verifiable financial planner? I would not mind looking up the professional that helped you. I will be retiring in two years and I might need some management on my much larger portfolio. Don't want to take any chances.
Leah Foster Alderman. You'll undoubtedly find out more if you look her up online.
She appears to be well educated and well read. I ran an online search on her name and came across her website, thank you for sharing.
This story telling and editing brings me back to the 90s-early 2000s.
I was about to take a ghost job... after seeing your documentary, I won't take it... Thank you so much for doing such a great document.
Tragic how so many people have become the exact name that businesses began calling workers many years ago - Human Resources, a resource no different than a product to be exploited. This is how businesses and the people who own them can blind themselves to what they are creating in the name of money. Social media has potential to connect people, but it seems its tragic side is expanding. How do we as humanity stop this deeply disturbing course? You all know the answer. 🙏
It's people and culture now.
"Human Resources". Deep
No, they're not slaves. They agreed to the arrangement and are compensated. They can get another job.
I wonder if these virtual slave workers could unionize online. Then a "strike" could involve something like feeding wrong answers intentionally to the AI until the union's demands are met.
That's part of the reason they are across the globe, if one brach tries to pull something like this, the company will shut it down and move the project to a different subcontractor
@@TheDefirion The Union website membership would be open to all who register. Meetings would be virtual. Anyone from any part of the world can join. The word just needs to get around, so that even new contractors know that they have an alternative to virtual slavery.
it's amazing that the answer you guys always come up with is unions. it's like you're immune to self accountability. you'd rather do something extremely unethical like feed wrong answers to the AI and make demands rather than just improve yourself. it's incredible.
@@twistedspine7300 Improving oneself is fine, but unity and strength in numbers also furthers. The proposed tactics are tools for the toolbox, for when negotiation fail - like certain weapons in our army, they need not be used (nor are they denounced as "unethical" by people). If you have ethical concerns, then simply declare to the other party that those tools can be used against them. They will have their own tools such as firing people, etc., but at least the playing field will be fairer and more transparent.
Global IT industry leverages international labor market for internet gig piecework computer workers to keep labor payments and thus cost extremely low.
Truly remarkable journalism @realstories Exposing the truth in this nuanced and persistent way is the purest form of journalism and I congratulate your whole team of filmmakers. wow. This will stick with me forever. Thank you I hope as many people watch this as possible.
22:34 Is what you're here for... The rest is the realization that this is an actual thing and is actually happening right now. 23:14 is the best part...
These diligent but unfortunate people have some issues like many of us. Taking advantage of their loneliness and vulnerability, our "Modern Pharaohs" have been exploiting them for many years while thinking about how clever they actually are.
There is clearly a loophole in the law. Every conversation ends with "Nobody is forcing them. They agree to the terms".
If you think this is the way it should be, you either have no empathy or your intellectual capacity is below a certain level to realise that this is exploitation and nothing else.
There is a reason why the term "BASE PRICE" was invented.
The average wage for a child (ie. under 14) in INDIA is $10.50 dollars a month.
The average salary,unskilled worker in India is $119 dollars a month.
The cost of living in India for a poor person is $59 dollars per month.
The Tech. slaves in the film are the real slaves, NOT garment workers in India.
@@abacus749 I don't know about India, but I think I watched about Bangladesh I think? And it wasn't just about wages, but: very bad working conditions (stuff like dye in your lungs etc.), working for 12h daily with no weekends or holidays, no breaks, extremely fast speed of sewing, and if you mess a garment up, it's taken off of your wages. Pay might even be liveable if you say so, but all the rest shows the disregard for human life.
But yeah, the Americans doing all that stuff for pennies is a terrible thing too. It's different, but also terrible.
India has growing middle class .. the west has declining middle class
Man, absolutely crappy support job as a contractor in EU will yield $800 - $2500, depending on the level. Not even talking further specializations in actually decent companies.
To say I’m shocked by this coverage is an understatement.
Odd that such a high tech company has a low tech brag wall. The company sold for $300M all while paying people pennies.
It’s a disgrace!
That's capitalism, just min maxing. Maxing out profits while squeezing out value from the poors at the bottom.
There are many who will saddle someone who calls themselves a donkey.
@@RickR69nothing new. Granting people with great entry pay compared to local blue collar jobs is awesome
Hard to believe this was 5 years ago! BIG thanks to the makers of this doco.
Now we are 5 years deeper into the darkness. I never dreamed or suspected AI would have such an evil side to it when I first made a video about it a year ago.
this is a bombshell. I have goosebumbs all over my body
I worked for a similar company, and found that it did get better financially if you were careful and built up skill sets, but never more than $5 an hour until I began working on reviewing AI written computer code, which paid more but took hours of unpaid training to master.
At least reviewing AI code...you will probably learn to become a great coder yourself and can find much better employment.
@@MrTynanDraperWishful thinking. It takes practice, and good mentoring, and a lot of luck since the job market is saturated with skilled people
Hello there. Could you share the site/company name. I'm looking to start earning online
@@MrTynanDraper you would need to the skill to see why the AI was wrong in the first place. And if you learned to code just for below minimum wage work then idk what to say
How can you review the code written by AI if you can't code? If you can code why would you work for $5/hr?
Sobering. Thank you. Content moderation is clearly a GREAT use-case for AI, as are a lot of truly awful jobs out there, like data entry, reviewing inspection reports, validating forms, etc. Sadly, guys like Lucas are always at the forefront of new technologies, applying them in the worst ways possible. We saw the same thing happen in the early days of the industrial revolution where scoundrels created horrific conditions in the factories they ran. Fortunately, history has a way of self-correcting, though admittedly only after tremendous human suffering. The labor unions that grew out of protest against those terrible factory conditions birthed the thriving middle class that grew so wealthy during the last half of the 20th century. I expect the same thing to happen again, though I hope the time we waste on guys like Lucas is very short.
Thank you for exposing the dark side of things!
I get the feeling this video will get removed...
Then let's spread it even more!
@@daweller i hope not! Everyone needs to see it!
youtube, unlike tiktok, doesn't care about videos critical of itself
How terrible. I feel for these Ghost Workers.
Would it kill the owner of that company to actually pay these contractors a real income? They're based in San Francisco, surely there's a budget for this instead of pennies.
Whatever they can get away with
Yes. The shareholders would replace him
Tesla would just hire another company willing to do it cheaper... While Elon continues to make $5 billion a year there.