Why does our Veg tanned leather cost more than our Oil Tanned??
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- In case you were wondering why our veg tanned leather bags are about $100 more than our oil tanned, I explain it all here.
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I am a leather guy as well, you were pretty accurate in all your statements. I love Veg Tan the best as it is the original from the beginning. Chrome Tan came along to shorten the tanning process and get leather to market quicker and cheaper. Now from there, other good things came along like more subtle etc. However, if the Chrome tan is not done correctly (like we do here in the US) it can make the chrome tan carcinogenic, which alot of people do not know and so where you get your chrome tan is even more important. Anyrate great job.
Thank you Frank, and thanks for the info!
Good info! I'm new to leather-work and looking to start purchasing leather. Are there areas to avoid leather from? or should I ask...what should I avoid when buying leather?
@@barbaravance6774 If youre brand new i've been told to go to tandy and get cheap craftsman oak cuts, none of the better cuts as theyre usually overpriced at tandy. You can learn and practice basics of stuff like stamping and stitching on the cheap cuts. Making mistakes as you will on nice expensive cuts are heartbreaking and could turn people away from the craft. After getting some practice with the basics under your belt you could and probably should start shopping for better cuts for whatever types of projects you like to do.
hI, Does anyone know if using chrome tanned leather products is safe, or if chromium becomes the dangerous kind,(chrome vi)? please if anyone can let me know. thank you :))
Do not put chrome tan against your firearm they will react to each other.
Clear, concise and to the point, well said, thank you. And in my opinion there is nothing better than leather with a well worn patina, it's gorgeous.
Another great video. Your videos are a great help to leather workers & craftsmen and doing wonders for our industry. Keep the videos coming please! Remember 'Your the man!'
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MANY tanneries sell what they call Oil Tan leather which has gone through a veg tan process not chrome tan. Another down side to chrome tan is the edges tend not to finish up as nice as veg tan.
“Tend”? They don’t finish/burnish at all actually. They literally cannot be burnished. Also the vast majority of oil “tanned” leather is chrome. Actually all of it is. Veg tan that is then stuffed with oils and fats is not usually advertised as “oil tanned” leather.
veg tanning goes back thousands of years not 200! Chrome tanned leather breaks down over time but veg tan products if cared for can literally be handed down to the next generation! big difference. PS lovely looking bags
I think that’s an over generalization. Good chrome tanned leather can last just as long as veg tan. The difference didn’t the tanning method but how it’s done. The reason why chrome tanned leather lasts shorter on average is because it’s easier and faster so it enables a lot of “fast fashion” leather produce where tanners just get out a low quality leather to meet the market demand and speed of needs. Whereas veg tanned requires some skill and lots of time so the people who invest in that time will also tend to make sure it’s done with the best quality possible.
But there are people doing very high quality chrome tanning and people doing low quality veg tan. It all depends on how it’s done not by which method.
Btw regarding the years, it’s technically hundreds of years because the modern veg tan method is developed in Italy in the last couple hundreds of years.
So what type of tanning did they use before modern veg tanning was developed in Italy?
kolton crane other types, acorn tanning or brain tanning for example.
@@luceafarul579 thanks for the info. I have read about brain tanning. I was curious because I have been reading about Russia doing veg tanning and how they used birch tar to water proof it. I read by the UK they found a sunk ship with two hundred year old Russian leather. So it makes me wonder if Russia was using the same process as Italy two hundred years ago. Pretty cool that the leather in the ship they recovered was still useable after two hundred years and was turned into boots and things.
Hey. Thanks for putting together such well crafted and well thought out videos. One question, how is/did the partnership going/go? Would like to see you do a followup on the series. Maybe it's here and I just missed it.
1:56 more like 5000 years
Lol yeah I was thinking... Neanderthals have been tanning hide? Lol idk
Your videos are so helpful!
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I was trained that oil tanned leather is leather where the collagen is changed by the oxidation of the oil. A typical leather which is oil-tanned is chamois. It exhibits the Ewald Effect. This is the premier test for oil-tanned leather. About 40 years ago, the term, "oil-tanned", worked its way into the product literature. It is not leather which is tanned with oil. It is leather which is usually, but not always, chrome-tanned or chrome/veg retanned. The leather, depending upon the vendor's terminology, not any technical terminology is referred to as "oil-tanned" if there is a pull up effect, there is a color change as the resulto of visible migrations of oils from the surface upon bending. This leather was produced originally for work shoes. The history goes back further, to a leather called muleskin, actually made on cowhide with an oily top. A tannery in California, was asked to produce a leather for shoes, made in the mid-west from horsehide, with an oily top. Their agent on the border of Mexico and Texas, "thought" up this name. There is no such thing as muleskin. The skins are intermingled with other skins with other skins when sold by hide dealers...... Hope this is helpful to someone.
This was really helpful I appreciate the info!
Great explanation, you can’t beat veg tan
Excellent video. Thanks so much for sharing.
Thank you!
Thank you, your videos are extremely inspiring..Where do you purchase the large table top grid? I really really want to start working with leather and need to start working on supplies for the shop, I have a 3 ft self heeling cutter...I need of a much larger grid table to work on
In looking at different companies that sell oil and veg tanned leather they both were about the same price. Where do you buy yours so I can get the better price on oil tanned? Thank you.
good video thanks for shareing
Thank you Mario!
I have a nice piece of oil tanned leather I got from the Leather Guy in MN. I'd like to make a bag out of it, but I'm worried about rub-off on people's clothing. Any suggestions? Thanks!
Thanks for the video! can you tell me the name and maker of the chrome tanned leather used on the brown bag? I really love the color and would like to buy some for a project. thanks!
I get that oil tan leather from Hidehouse. This one is called Roughman Brown. Here is the link: hidehouse.com/products/index.html?Category=CHAP&Product_ID=1961
Thanks for explaining to us.
Thank you for watching Alexander:)
thank you
Question: To cover a motorcycle seat and make mc saddlebags would harness leather be my best choice for the harshness of sun, rain, heat and cold?
hi, can you please tell me what thickness of the leather is used to make that beautiful vegetable tanned bag?
Best advice I can give you: Jump into a deepive on his other vids he has a lot of great ones where he explains the leather ;)
what music is that at the end?
When making a bag out of chrome tan or oil tan, how do you keep the leather rigid and not collapse on itself? I'm planning on making a bag out of 4-5oz chrome tan. Thanks for any advice!
One method coul be to use a liner and maybe ad something to give stability in between.
you forgot to say that it oxidizes the metal oil tanned leather
Hello alex , if I use chrome tan to make bag and use metal then how many years that bag will be alive ( like ok )? and when it will start oxidizes?
When I sayed "oxideze the metal" I refer if you use for holster knife or kinds off holster that stay in contact with metal. If use for bags it's gonna be ok
@@alexasa8109 you mean if i use buckles or Swivel Lever Snap on chrome tan for briefcase and bags even the snap button for wallet or notebook from chrome tan that is ok? wont happen any oxidizes?
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Pro: Veg-tan looks better. Period.
Not always. If you want very nice bright colors veg tan will not be able to give you that as easily.
And btw chrome tanning CAN replicate the veg tan look very well.
OK, PRO leather worker here, I am calling bullshit, saying veg tan leather is more natural is like saying pepsi made with "cane sugar" is more natural than coke made with high fructose corn syrup. The reason veg tan costs more is one it takes more time, two it costs more to make because the "naturally derived" chemicals are hard to make take lots of time them selves to make and are expensive because they are inefficient. Oil tanned does not always mean chrome tanned, some is veg tanned that is oil treated too, just no waxes to make it stiffer. Not all veg tan is artisan made, again that is like saying Pepsi with cane sugar is artisanaly because it was not made with HFCS
Latigo why is this missing from his list. Well it is usually chrome tanned, wax treated that is more robust than veg tanned, more durable, and expensive, it cant really be tooled but it will hold tooling marks, it cant be burnished the same way but is still beautiful. Its a specific kind of bridle leather and it is probably the most bombproof leather. With all that it is expensive.
Veg tan is something leather workers love just like a grill man loves cooking a prime steak. It shows off our skill, it is fun to work with, and even when we ring our B game it still looks good, and even when we bring our B game we still make money. I am tired of people especially professionals who make minimalist bags keep whipping the dead horse of veg tan.
IF YOU ARE NOT TOOLING, COVERING ANTIQUE BOOKS, OR MAKING HOLSTERS, OR KNIFE SHEATHS YOU DONT NEED TO USE VEG TAN AND YOU ARE PROBABLY OVER PAYING FOR IT.
There are really nice chrome tanned leathers his oil tanned looks that way not because it is oil tanned but because it is called a pull up or a corrected grain leather (not the natural surface)
Be honest about your choice in leather, be honest about how you like veg tan, you feel it represents your artistic style... Stop talking about how it is better, it isn't it has some big drawbacks too. To everyone who buys veg tan you have to maintain it or it will break down quicker, it will also show damage easier, you have to baby more than chrome tan, if you want it to last you need to keep it oiled, also animals are more likely to eat it.
You want to pay more for leather fine do it but veg tanned is not better it is simply different, and more expensive.
haha i'm confused by your comment. I never said (or even implied) that veg tan is better. It would be silly if I did because we sell both of these options on our website, and I truly love them both. I simply explained the "pros" list of each type to help our customers make buying decisions. I'm not sure how i'm being dishonest. at 2:24 in the video I said "Veg tan leather costs more because of the more arduous tanning process". Which is the point you're accusing me of not making.
This video was not supposed to be a comprehensive list of all the different types of leather that can be tanned. Latigo isn't mentioned, because we don't sell any latigo products on our site. This is simply a comparison of the two types of leather that offer our No.56 bag in.
It's funny because I was expecting the exact opposite types of comments to come in. I've had some "veg tan" purists ask me why we even sell (oiled) chrome tan leather? If anything, this video was meant to illustrate the good things about both types of leather. It seems like you took it a whole different direction. But for the most part, you and I are on the same page. I hate to see leather workers tearing down others work just because they use a different type of leather, or basic tools, or machine stitch/handstitch, etc...In the end leatherwork is an art and there is now law written up on how it's supposed to be done. So I agree with you, I don't want to see anyone tear down chrome tanned because there are a lot of benefits to buying it.
Also a pro leatherworker, veg tan IS more natural than chrome tanned. Its tanned with plants. Chrome tanned uses chemicals. How is that not more natural? Also, cane sugar IS more natural than high fructose corn syrup, as it goes through less processing. Its already sweet; field corn is not. I get that its trendy to be contrarian and pro science, and some people just hate the word "natural" and feel that its overused, but the word "natural" is an actual word with an actual meaning, and its possible for something to be more "natural" than something else. In this case, leather tanned with plants is more natural than leather tanned with chemicals. I'm not sure how understanding this can be an issue for someone.
Hi, thank you for your comment.
Will a chrome tan patina as good as a Veg tanned leather?
Um, wow, ok, so I'm going to go with you not being a professional leatherworker unless you're jealous of his success. This video explains the two options that Stock and Barrel offers on his website and is brief, factual, and in good taste to help HIS customers purchase from HIM. He doesn't sell Latigo, the oil tan he sells is chrome tanned.
You literally wrote an angry comment restating pretty much everything he said in his video. LOL
@@veg7nlif376 Chrome tan leather doesn't patina the same way as veg tan. I don't think I've really seen nice looking old chrome tan leather.