Your chemistry is insane. The comms in the last game were sooo quick. Before I even realized what one of you was saying the other already responded. It's actually mind blowing to me how quick you think and communicate
I wish us mortals could play these, whenever we wanted to.. if only Epic would implement them into the game, it would put some life back into the game and make people want to play it, more. The bots in RL are a joke for anyone past Gold.. Being able to go into a private match with a friends or 2 and play against these level bots would be so much fun.
The reason u can't is because of when Nexto went into ranked. They patched it but to avoid anything like it in the future they told bot creators not to publish bots
@@edgeribbleNo he means like add them officially into the game and have it so that you cannot extract the Ai like the current bots so they cannot be used in ranked
you say that but the literal living hell that ranked would be if everyone had access to these bots makes it obvious why they have to crack down so hard on it. it's a small price to pay so that 75% of your ranked games aren't either smurfs or bots
@@SynsityGW Ok but if they add them in directly they aren't going to just put the bot in raw as it is. Psyonix them self would add some safe guards such as encrypting the bot just like they do with the game, modding the bot to know if a match is a private match or competitive. They might also even add something where you type in chat it will disable to the bot. They can also detect the bots just like they did with Nexto from play pattern. That is how they did the ban waves. If they added it in encrypted that would probably be enough just from that or they could just have the bot running separately like how ultrawideGC does it to where the players don't even need to have it downloaded to play against. That would be pretty easy since Psyonix owns there own servers. It isn't as hard as it seems, but whether they want to do it is a different story
The reason the bots change to your names is client sync in private matches. Also happens in Standard sometimes but never ranked. It happens usually until a goal or replay or when they go out of view and re-render ;) Not the most technical explanation but I'm sure you understand what I'm saying Also great video thanks
Jack big shoutout to both you for taking a photo with me on Sunday And your mum and dad for giving me and my friend their passes love the content man ❤️
When they say “time” is that another way of saying “I’m nearby in position for a pass??” Also…The chase at 32:34 was too funny Just went all around the map on that one
When a tm8 says time they're telling you you have time with the ball before an opp challenges. Since the game moves so fast at this rank it's not always easy to tell what the challenging opp is doing when you start to possess the ball, but your tm8 usually has a wider viewing angle and can tell you. If they don't say time they'll usually say "rushing."
This reminds me of the battle between the Chess genius and IBM where they kept upgrading the chess bot until eventually bots surpassed man. That's whats happening in RL rn, it hasn't happened in any other ESport because Aim Bots are perfect. Very interesting stuff
Awesome video Jack as usual. You could of 3-0 the Seer bots a feat never accomplished maybe if there was less trolling 3rd game lol. But then again its probably why it worked because u guys werent too stressed and rushin like some of the other pros did. Jack is a rl brain so I knew he would outsmart the bots lol. PS: do you think bots know where they will respawn so they can preturn like they seem to have done when one almost saved the ball on the double jack demo. GL in London boys hilarious and great video. We need more 2keyboard goofy series too. Like a road to gc blindfolded with retals would be hilarious.
@@emmanuelpaquette3310I’ve done a bit of programming and would guess the game uses a random number generator to determine which side the player will spawn on since there doesn’t seem to be any pattern or formula behind the decision. Since this is likely the case, the bot would have to wait for the number to be generated. Whether or not the number is generated right when the car is demoed or right as it is spawning, I can’t say for sure. If it is determined at the time of the demo and the bot has access to the programming, it could foreknow which side it will spawn on. Most likely though, the bot reacts instantly as it spawns, so it looks like a pre-move to us because we don’t have that quick of reactions.
@Frozen_RL your explanation is dead on most likely its instant reaction. The bot would have to be hooked to the game servers directly to have access to the games coding which is unlikely in my mind.
@ApparentlyJack I've only been playing rocket League a few weeks and you and a few other creators have helped me so much in a short period of time. It feels like it gives me a unique perspective on learning rocket League that many would share if it were presented correctly. I've come up with a idea for a video that I feel you might appreciate. Asking nothing of it, just would like to share it with you. I feel like it will help base players in reality and might help guide them to focus on the basic things more heavily. I think it will humble gold-diamond players and help them realize they aren't as good as they are think they are. One sick play doesn't make them consistently capable, and consistently is the most important aspect of any skill. It's a couple training techniques I used to help humble myself. Me being the general player who doesn't play on PC and doesn't want to download and research a million training packs to get better. It's all done through everything the game hands you on day one. Doesn't even require internet connection. As basic as it comes but humbling to even diamond players Let me know if you're interested. ♥️
And the thing is these bots only learn by playing each other over and over again. Imagine if they could learn by playing actual pros to learn behavioral patterns and different play styles. I bet they would get insanely good.
that's what they probably are doing while rentals and appjack play them, they started out by playing themselves only to learn the basics like hitting the ball or rotating so them learning from pros like now is extra knowledge for complex things like reacting to flip resets
@@MetroTO.they are not actually learning in these games and it would be such a small sample size compared to the 1.5 million hours seer has playing against itself. In order to effectively learn ultrawide would need to make a bot that imitates human players which is impossible
Im not even kidding. Pssyonx needs to buy the rights to these bots and hire the creators to implament them into custom games, to be able to play against a gc bot or champ or any ranks above yours without losing mmr to get better is a great advantage. And the novice, beginner unfair crap needs to be swapped with corresponding ranks to their abilities. So when you pick the bot difficulties its based off rank.
Wish rl could implement seer as a feature so we could all practice against it, its obviously still got flaws but thats like going (insert ssl/gc) has flaws.
My interpretation of occupied vs preoccupied revolves around the availability of the subject of the sentence. If you are wanting someone to do something but they are already doing something, I would say preoccupied. If I was just curious as to what someone was doing and not because I need them for anything, I would say occupied. I could be wrong tho
I don't think we should ever consider AI that literally read inputs a challenge worthy of anyone's time. They use their flip the instant you initiate a jump input meaning you can't challenge their flicks OR use flicks against them as it will just fly over you on their attack and get a 50/50 on your attack. No hate to UltrawideGC but I don't see the point in putting the work in to create AI that literally cheats. Input reading has been a notorious thing in gaming for decades now. Hate all the video titles like "The bots are as good as SSLs??" when they aren't, they just read inputs and positions down to the frame data and input data. Even if they aren't reading inputs they are basically playing the game frame by frame. It's like saying "This hacker is better than SSLs??" which nobody would ever take seriously.
Leth played them recently too and mentioned they only preform their best at a specific framerate. Don't remember what it is. Not saying they can't destroy the bots, but if they find out they played with a handicap we get a rematch video right?
The invisibility literally doesnt matter since the bots know the position of every car. I don’t think you can make them disconnect either since they are running on the server side
Looks like the bots "learned" and ditched their fake aerials approach that was prominent in previous matches. Makes them look worse though when they do not even do it every now and then to see/learn when it may work.
this is me in my bronze games in OW2 like holy crap i limit broke so hard vs these fucking google AI + hacker paid actors i had peak of 58% on genji somehows
By the first few seconds, I thought Retals was the bot you were speaking of
LOL 😂
samee haha
Good one!😂
Retals plays botlike (in a good way)
He ended up carrying is the funny thing
I can already tell having both face cams for this is such a huge W.
But its only 1?
The glazing is wild
Your chemistry is insane. The comms in the last game were sooo quick. Before I even realized what one of you was saying the other already responded. It's actually mind blowing to me how quick you think and communicate
My favorite UA-camr and my favorite bot in one video ❤
Lol
How long ago was this I was expecting you to use 45000 at some point
Sneakily meant Retals
@@notheories9012 lol
@@1V2Believer Same, tbh
Jack : Don't challenge it. Don't challenge it.
Retals : I'm challenging him.
* *proceeds to get demoed and scored on* *
Lmaooo and the eye roll...
these bots would be an amazing training resource because losing to a robot is much less tilting than a human
wait till the bots learn to speak offensively in chat lmao
22:02 You guys are so wholesome. Such bestiess
Appjack was born in 2003. Let that sink in.
Bro the sink just robbed my house
Bro,he is just 5years older than me😶
Are you implying he’s young or old?
@@OfficialBoViceyoung fs
@@OfficialBoViceI think it’s like how grown up he is for 2003
can tell this is gonna be a treat from the first 10 seconds
I wish us mortals could play these, whenever we wanted to.. if only Epic would implement them into the game, it would put some life back into the game and make people want to play it, more. The bots in RL are a joke for anyone past Gold.. Being able to go into a private match with a friends or 2 and play against these level bots would be so much fun.
The reason u can't is because of when Nexto went into ranked. They patched it but to avoid anything like it in the future they told bot creators not to publish bots
You can play them go to on twitch he is the creator of the bot and lets viewers play.
@@edgeribbleNo he means like add them officially into the game and have it so that you cannot extract the Ai like the current bots so they cannot be used in ranked
you say that but the literal living hell that ranked would be if everyone had access to these bots makes it obvious why they have to crack down so hard on it. it's a small price to pay so that 75% of your ranked games aren't either smurfs or bots
@@SynsityGW Ok but if they add them in directly they aren't going to just put the bot in raw as it is. Psyonix them self would add some safe guards such as encrypting the bot just like they do with the game, modding the bot to know if a match is a private match or competitive. They might also even add something where you type in chat it will disable to the bot. They can also detect the bots just like they did with Nexto from play pattern. That is how they did the ban waves. If they added it in encrypted that would probably be enough just from that or they could just have the bot running separately like how ultrawideGC does it to where the players don't even need to have it downloaded to play against. That would be pretty easy since Psyonix owns there own servers. It isn't as hard as it seems, but whether they want to do it is a different story
he's just wobbling there... MENACINGLY
love the appretals chemistry
13:03 Retals face got me in shambles dude 🤣🤣
retals: dude did you miss that boost? admit it. jack: no no I didn't .. 😁😂
retals: oh okay
from what i see he didnt miss it, he turned away to position himself better to defend. ball -> boost :D
Only reason the bots are lookin fresh is because they stole my fit
Whoops😂
@@UltrawideGC keep it. I love it lol
lmao
Not only did Jack and Retals beat the bots, but they looked like they were having a blast doing it! Such a fun video!
Damn... pretty soon being called a 'Bot' is gonna be a compliment hahaha!
Actually back in the day it was! Then it turned into an insult sometime in the 2000s but I can definitely see a resurgence
The reason the bots change to your names is client sync in private matches. Also happens in Standard sometimes but never ranked. It happens usually until a goal or replay or when they go out of view and re-render ;) Not the most technical explanation but I'm sure you understand what I'm saying
Also great video thanks
oh 👍👍
Jack big shoutout to both you for taking a photo with me on Sunday
And your mum and dad for giving me and my friend their passes love the content man ❤️
The content we waited for 🥳 thx for your effort!
Been waiting for this video 😱😱
37:02 bro what was that in my left and right ear that was so creepy
prob just someone scratching the desk or moving the mic 🤣🤣
When they say “time” is that another way of saying “I’m nearby in position for a pass??”
Also…The chase at 32:34 was too funny
Just went all around the map on that one
When a tm8 says time they're telling you you have time with the ball before an opp challenges. Since the game moves so fast at this rank it's not always easy to tell what the challenging opp is doing when you start to possess the ball, but your tm8 usually has a wider viewing angle and can tell you. If they don't say time they'll usually say "rushing."
@@Bowden57 thank you so much!! makes sense now
I've been waiting for this one and it did not let me down! Great match!
14:46 that double tap was nasty indeed! 😮
This reminds me of the battle between the Chess genius and IBM where they kept upgrading the chess bot until eventually bots surpassed man. That's whats happening in RL rn, it hasn't happened in any other ESport because Aim Bots are perfect. Very interesting stuff
You and Retals should do a 2 vs 3 series!!!! I have never seen it before and you guy are hilarious together
Never heard jack curse lol ❤
Ngl, guess thats part of his good karma, both in game and real life.
@@olafcarlson1046cursing doesn't make you have good karma
So much fun watching this, glad you could beat them, but dang are they insane!
Retals has nothing on Jack....😂
Every time these 2 make a video, i'm happy.
Jack please don’t stop posting I know I haven’t watched the video yet but I know that it is always gonna be a good day if you post. :)
🤡
That demo at min 8:09 killed me
FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE HAS THE THROAT SCRATCH THINGY TOO!
"What's the difference between occupied and preoccupied?"
-Retals 2024
Awesome video Jack as usual. You could of 3-0 the Seer bots a feat never accomplished maybe if there was less trolling 3rd game lol. But then again its probably why it worked because u guys werent too stressed and rushin like some of the other pros did. Jack is a rl brain so I knew he would outsmart the bots lol. PS: do you think bots know where they will respawn so they can preturn like they seem to have done when one almost saved the ball on the double jack demo. GL in London boys hilarious and great video. We need more 2keyboard goofy series too. Like a road to gc blindfolded with retals would be hilarious.
The respawn is really random to everyone so even the bots can't know where they will respawn, They do act very fast when they have respawned. 🤘🤘
@MadNoisy r u a computer game programmer? What do u base it on just curious. Why couldn't they know that metric.
@@emmanuelpaquette3310I’ve done a bit of programming and would guess the game uses a random number generator to determine which side the player will spawn on since there doesn’t seem to be any pattern or formula behind the decision. Since this is likely the case, the bot would have to wait for the number to be generated. Whether or not the number is generated right when the car is demoed or right as it is spawning, I can’t say for sure. If it is determined at the time of the demo and the bot has access to the programming, it could foreknow which side it will spawn on.
Most likely though, the bot reacts instantly as it spawns, so it looks like a pre-move to us because we don’t have that quick of reactions.
@Frozen_RL your explanation is dead on most likely its instant reaction. The bot would have to be hooked to the game servers directly to have access to the games coding which is unlikely in my mind.
Got them! Well done!
really enjoyed that
Was not expecting that, but I want to see a bot play with a person and see how that goes
The bot wasn't playing optimally in the 2nd game. I'm glad that Ultra noticed that and reseted the lobby
This was fun!❤
My gf heard Retals and said "is that bob's burgers", now I can't unhear it 😂😂😂😂
@ApparentlyJack I've only been playing rocket League a few weeks and you and a few other creators have helped me so much in a short period of time. It feels like it gives me a unique perspective on learning rocket League that many would share if it were presented correctly.
I've come up with a idea for a video that I feel you might appreciate. Asking nothing of it, just would like to share it with you. I feel like it will help base players in reality and might help guide them to focus on the basic things more heavily.
I think it will humble gold-diamond players and help them realize they aren't as good as they are think they are. One sick play doesn't make them consistently capable, and consistently is the most important aspect of any skill.
It's a couple training techniques I used to help humble myself. Me being the general player who doesn't play on PC and doesn't want to download and research a million training packs to get better.
It's all done through everything the game hands you on day one. Doesn't even require internet connection. As basic as it comes but humbling to even diamond players
Let me know if you're interested. ♥️
34:52 "hes awkward" xDDDDDDD
🤣🤣
Normal comm tho
And the thing is these bots only learn by playing each other over and over again.
Imagine if they could learn by playing actual pros to learn behavioral patterns and different play styles. I bet they would get insanely good.
that's what they probably are doing while rentals and appjack play them, they started out by playing themselves only to learn the basics like hitting the ball or rotating so them learning from pros like now is extra knowledge for complex things like reacting to flip resets
@@MetroTO.they are not actually learning in these games and it would be such a small sample size compared to the 1.5 million hours seer has playing against itself. In order to effectively learn ultrawide would need to make a bot that imitates human players which is impossible
i honestly thought i was the only one to do that thank you retals 😂😂 my guy keep up the grind boys
It’s like watching our best humans going up against an alien species. “If they go up just back off” 😂
Once Seer has achieved max potential, it shall be dubbed Overseer.
This was fun to watch please run it back again. 🤖gg!
25:53 _deep_
love that vid. though any vid with retals is always awesome
Interesting to see that the EU method of playing is countered by the bots, but you guys did well against them.
When a toxic player calls you a bot in game:
The goal around 10:50 is insane
DO. IT. AGAIN.
Best video of the year
Im not even kidding. Pssyonx needs to buy the rights to these bots and hire the creators to implament them into custom games, to be able to play against a gc bot or champ or any ranks above yours without losing mmr to get better is a great advantage. And the novice, beginner unfair crap needs to be swapped with corresponding ranks to their abilities. So when you pick the bot difficulties its based off rank.
How tilting would it be if the bots could quick chat lmao "What a save!"
I'd love to see another eye tracker video
Just by watching the intro, I can tell this video is gonna be a BANGER
This was super entertaining lol
It would be crazy for appjack and retals to get on the same rlcs team.
Wish rl could implement seer as a feature so we could all practice against it, its obviously still got flaws but thats like going (insert ssl/gc) has flaws.
that would actually be a problem
My interpretation of occupied vs preoccupied revolves around the availability of the subject of the sentence. If you are wanting someone to do something but they are already doing something, I would say preoccupied. If I was just curious as to what someone was doing and not because I need them for anything, I would say occupied. I could be wrong tho
Why does Retals sound like Coach McGuirk from Home Movies? 😂
the comms in game 5 are a master class
Genuinely hilarious 😂
I love how the coms increasingly gets more intense.
Lmao I saw Titanic in theaters. 1997. Classic
What do you think about not playing against the latest version of seer?
“Euhh it’s in my net” every 10 seconds
I don't think we should ever consider AI that literally read inputs a challenge worthy of anyone's time. They use their flip the instant you initiate a jump input meaning you can't challenge their flicks OR use flicks against them as it will just fly over you on their attack and get a 50/50 on your attack. No hate to UltrawideGC but I don't see the point in putting the work in to create AI that literally cheats. Input reading has been a notorious thing in gaming for decades now. Hate all the video titles like "The bots are as good as SSLs??" when they aren't, they just read inputs and positions down to the frame data and input data. Even if they aren't reading inputs they are basically playing the game frame by frame. It's like saying "This hacker is better than SSLs??" which nobody would ever take seriously.
the face at 24:36
how do you play this bot? or can you? i get if not cause of the whole bots in ranked think but i would really like to play it if possible
Imagine Seers data loaded in a real flying car and going for demo or something 🤣🤣
wait can u train the bot with the plank hitbox ?
rocket league dying in europe all the oppositions are +400 pings
How did the bot say nice shot to him wtf
That was UtrlawideGC. The guy who was hosting the game and he would be in spectator mode and they can also use the chat.
It was not the bot Seer, lol.
@@MadNoisy ok thank u 😂 was like are they bots or not 😂
16:03 not a fetelix jump, its a wallpop dash (im a dasher)
Congratulations on top 8
is it also possible to play against the bots on the ps5?
AppJack and Retals 💪🗿
How do you play with these bots? Do u need a plugin in bakesmod or something?
they're not allowed to release them, no way to play
Were you playing at 120 fps? It seems like the bots weren't functioning properly.
All I saw were 4 bots on the pitch
Lol
@@UltrawideGCand one spectating
Why does Retals sound like Bob Belcher 😂
These things are terrifying.
Leth played them recently too and mentioned they only preform their best at a specific framerate. Don't remember what it is. Not saying they can't destroy the bots, but if they find out they played with a handicap we get a rematch video right?
I always see people play AGAINST the Seer bot, but is it possible to play with it as a teammate against another team of a player+bot?
Let’s see bot VS an invisible GC Vs a DDOS
The invisibility literally doesnt matter since the bots know the position of every car. I don’t think you can make them disconnect either since they are running on the server side
The bots are playing literally in the matrix, no invisible GC can beat them
24:36 "😐"
JohnnyBoi VS Feer Showmatch w/ AppJack Commentary pls 🙏
Sh. Feer already said _if_ it happens, it's not going to be for a long time.. like after Worlds.
@@hhaste ahhh bet
The first time I see the opponents be bots, but are actually good 😅
can anyone tell me how can i play against these bots?. i really wanna try with my mate
Looks like the bots "learned" and ditched their fake aerials approach that was prominent in previous matches. Makes them look worse though when they do not even do it every now and then to see/learn when it may work.
this is me in my bronze games in OW2 like holy crap i limit broke so hard vs these fucking google AI + hacker paid actors i had peak of 58% on genji somehows
what is the s chall?
How did y'all get access to these bots?
when my friends join through himachi he has 320 ping any fix?
How can i play this bot is it on The rlbot app
love the content ❤