British mk III/IV/V "turtle" helmet
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- Опубліковано 14 січ 2017
- This is a look at the last British steel service helmet known as the turtle and the video explains the users and the different models and predecessors/replacements of this great and what should be more iconic helmet. Please leave a like to show interest in this subject and thanks for watching.
Thank you
Devin K
The very early turtle MK3s had the chin strap rivets and plates further up the helmet and screw to hold the liner, the lift the dot came in 1945 the later ones ie the MK4 and 5 had the chin strap rivets nearer the rim , good vid 👍🇬🇧
does anyone know exactly how much higher the rivets are? thanks
My dad was in the army from the late 50s to the the early 90s and his helmet was the Turtle Mk4 with that liner. When I was a kid early teens my dad was going back to camp and he gave me the Mk4 and said put it on. I did and it was comfortable, it was a major improvement to the Mk2.
Fantastic vid, thank you. Been trying to work out what difference between mks 3 and 4... Only to find the shells are the same!
One issue... The mk6 from memory wasn't introduced until well after the Falklands war. I joined in 1989 and many units still had steel hemets even then. Some pics of the Falklands I've seen show paras wearing the para helmet which looks similar ish to a 6. I was under the impression most infantry wore steel...
I of course could be wrong ;-)
I know you did this comment 7 years ago, many paras wore a training/jump helmet during the Falklands, it was almost 10 years later that the Mk6 kevlar was introduced.
The British had been exploring a new helmet design to replace the Mk4 for a while, with the use of composites etc. During the early years in Ulster the army used a Mk4 with an attachment which allowed a visor to be added. In the late 70s a plastic helmet lined with polystyrene was introduced for Internal Security(IS) use, these were basically a cheap motorcycle helmet, designed to protect the wearer from the majority of the force from a brick or stone. In the mid 80s a purpose designed IS helmet was trialled and issued to troops in urban areas. The Mk6 was used both in Ulster as well as in BAOR,UK and Cyprus, with some Mk6s having bolt holes for visors to be added. Kevlar wasn't designed to stop shrapnel or rounds, it absorbed their kinetic impact, much like the crumple zones in cars. Prior to kevlar, there were rumours that DSTL were trialling a helmrt made from ZAM, this stopped the impact, but was found to dislocate the wearers neck or give them whiplash
Interesting that the UK Medical Research Council designed this helmet as early as 1941, and yet it first saw combat only from D-Day onwards in June 1944, and even then seemed to be in the minority til the end of the war compared to the old Mk II Brodie, if WW2 newsreel footage is anything to go by. How many injuries/lives may have been saved had it been produced and issued much quicker? The US managed to get the M1 helmet to replace their old MkIIs very soon after they entered the war. What took us (the UK) so long?
the usa had more resources and didn't have german bombers and u-boats all around them.
Dang, I’m jealous. I’m trying to find a “good” priced helmet but all I can find is a helmet shell with straps going up for 90 dollars. Not to mention install helmet liners is kind of hard.
Yeah good luck
Devin K. Thanks
Devin K. Good and bad news! Good news is that I found a shell that isn’t being priced like gold, but like I said it’s just a shell so I’ll have to restore it.
Hey Devin. Where did you hear that the Mk. V were made in India? Is it just the rimless ones or are they all made there? Thanks for the great info
Duee McAntanower they were made everywhere it's was just to easy manufacturing so in the colonies where they were not as developed the rimless pairs were made and even some who used screws in the dome instead of the lift the dot stud you can find mk5's made everywhere though
Sweet channel. Just subbed!
jtstudios any specific helmets you would like to see or any countries you like I might have helmets from?
Do you have any Stahlhelms?
jtstudios I do have a few of those I did just put up a video a few hours ago about Germany's first steel helmet
I think where people get confused is they see pictures of men in the falklands wearing the pattern 76 para helmet and assume it's the mk6.
Hi can you help me. I just picked up a Brodie helmet today. I’m in the UK buy the way. It was green but I can see it was given a Kind of RAF blue/ Grey finish over the original green. The chin strap I can see is definitely the same age as the helmet but it has a two prong slide in clasp iv never came across before. No riveting on the sides either. I can’t find anything like it on the net. Covered in cobwebs when I came across it but looks really cool now.
Mark Layton Ide need some more details or pictures
Thanks for getting back to me. Since found out it’s a Verblifa helmet. Numb VB56 1SLO . It’s a real keeper as I got it for next to nothing and it’s in superb condition. On to the next. 🤪
Better than the M1
Andro A depends on what you prefer
Why do you say that?
Doubt
Could very well be possible.
Having served in the US Army and later Estonian Army as well as being a collector of Military steel helmets I got to wear and test various helmets.
My experiences testing found that the US M1 was a inferior helmet that would wear down the wearer do to its design.
The Italian M33 is as lso one of the best steel helmets around.
During WW2 the Germans came out with several prototype steel helmets one very closely resembled the British Mk 111/4/5 shell design.
I would like to see some tests of this British helmet in comparison to others including the USM1 helmet.
Overall I found the East German Army M56 as the best overall steel combat helmet ever designed and made.
Do they make reproductions of the lift the dot liner?
does anybody know if there were any british helmets with a lizard emblem painted on the side? i found one for sale but don't know if it is original
Never heard of it
Just one small funny fact, Troops often called this helmet the BOING, BOING Helmet, This was because of the elastic chin strap allowing the helmet to bounce on the wearers head when they ran!!!
What are the liner sizes of the mark V? And do they offer much adjustablity?
Anthony Strang they come in a small medium and large and are elastic
Devin Krueger so what head sizes would large fit?
Anthony Strang depends on how you like your helmet to fit and the shape of your head. I wear a 58-59 and I got a medium because I like a closer fit but I have a wide head but if worse comes to worse just get the large it will fit for sure
Devin Krueger ok. I ordered a very nice one from the UK in 7 1/4 to 7 3/8. is that large?
Devin Krueger I wear about a 59
Used by the Greek Cypriot National Guard during the Turkish invasion in 1974
CETUS HELMET
I'm surprised the helmet served as long as it did.
Dan Morgan it was a very good design
@@DevinK Indeed it is. May have even provided better protection than their early kevlar helmets.
I've got a 1945 dated, early mk 4 helmet. Shell not dated with a net on. It's rimless. Definitely would have been manufactured in uk
andrew fox the rim could have fallen off that isn’t to uncommon
@@DevinK no signs that a rim was there. Some were manufactured without a rim.
andrew fox then it’s a mk5
@@DevinK it's not got the same liner that your helmets got. No cotton liner..it's a lift the for liner. Definitely mk 4
andrew fox they all had lift the dot liners and that’s not uncommon for it to have an oil cloth liner still could be a mk5
I hated this helmet - the chin strap was rubbish, the liner was uncomfortable and it bounced around on your head when you ran whilst wearing it. We used to cover them with hessian to stop shine and used a net and scrim to break up the shape. There wasn't a purpose made cover although some of us used old DPM cut from discarded combat jackets.
I got an mk4 for around 50$