Hot Hatch Civil War: Ford Fiesta ST vs Ford Focus ST
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Ford Performance has an ehtusats car in almost every market segment and thanks to depreciation, the Focus and the Fiesta ST are now similarly priced. The Fiesta has amazing dynamics while the Focus has intoxicating horsepower. Which one is more fun? Join me as we put them to the test in the switchback turns of Vermont.
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I may be younger than this guy is, even though i may not look it.
Fiesta ST will go down as one of the great hot hatches of all time. Give it 10-15 years and people will still be talking about it.
DaviDeXtA that’s how I feel too. I love my ‘16 FiST.
I got my Fiesta ST right when they hit the market. People where buying them quick at the time so in my area you had to find whatever was available regardless of options or price if you wanted to be one of the firsts to own one. Fucking hell I love that car!
But it’s been 2 years and they already aren’t lmao
@@tyronsreekley876 right of anything its one of the most hated
2019 was the best!
I've had two FoST. Loved them. Went big turbo on one and the other stayed relatively stock. Just recently picked up a FiST and God bless America!!! Love the little thing. It's certainly not as refined and the interior feels much cheaper but it's got plenty of power in the low range and handles like a go kart. Definitely a fun ride. Can't go wrong with either the FoST or FiST. If I could stuff the 2.0 into the FiST and keep the weight close to stock, that would definitely make it phenomenal.
looks like we have a engineawap too do :D
I recently upgraded the coil packs in my fiesta st and what a difference it makes.. next I'm getting some aftermarket one stage colder plugs as the replacement ones from Ford have made it feel a little laggy and less responsive.. but little things like that make a big difference in these little cars..
Cap...them FoST give out too fast
I sold my tangerine 🍊 focus and kept my fiesta! Both great but for me the fiesta is amazing!
ramonahumada4 yeah some people need less horsepower and toque
@@whydoihave6neutrals772 I've owned a fiesta st and now I'm in the process of trying to decide which to get (another fiesta st, a focus st or the new 3 cylinder fiesta st). I got the fiesta st when it first hit the market and I chose it cause of the talk of its superior handling. I also came to appreciate its advantages of being a miser with petrol and the convenient size living in a large, dense urban area.
nb0616 oh yes the smaller engine with less power doesn’t mean it’s any less fun than the focus in fact I think it actually drives better. Focus is more straight line quick the fiesta loves the be tossed at a turn
nb0616 it’s also insanely easy to lark anywhere!
nb0616 park* sorry
I’ve seen people who own focST and rs go back to a fiesta because it more fun not as fast but god it feels like a rocket.
Picked up a 2015 FiST from my Mini unfortunately getting totaled, but I absolutely fell in love with the Fiesta. I plan to keep it for a long time.
I always viewed the fiesta st as fords civic si a cheap fun car. Definitely not fast but definitely fun. The Focus ST on the other hand is a different kind of beast. Catback, intercooler and a tune and I’m already keeping up with cars worth 20-30k more than my car AND beating 5.0s stop light to stop light
He needs to get closer to the wheel. Also, he said he was flooring the Fiesta but, I can't stay on it long without getting into trouble. It feels so good at part throttle!
I was so bummed when Ford quit making these. Not every American wants a huge Truck or SUV.
Thanks for this video you give much details
Great videos!
Thanks! Glad you enjoy them!
Focus ST looks better but the fiesta ST is too fun for there to be a comparison.
Fiesta for more fun, l have one running stage 2 collins performance, running at 238 bhp, the cpe engine mount and mountune springs i put on make this car a lot better for fast cornering.
If you want the FiST for the handling then just get the base fiesta and throw some ST struts all around lol.
Earned my sub!
yo what road is this? thanks!
Focus is like 6 seconds to 60 so is the fiesta with the mountune, they are about as fast as each other
Where can I find the roof rack on the fiesta?
My setup is Yakima baseline towers, Yakima round bar, and Yakima high speed bike carriers. I use a Yakima fat cat ski rack in the winter. I got all my stuff from REI.
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i fucking wish they were uner 15k with 20k miles holy fuck more like 17k with 110k miles
“Used fiesta st with 10k miles is around 15k$... meanwhile in 2021: 10k miles base fiesta st going for 23k. Let’s go Brandon
Now 26K...
I found one with 11k miles for 20k. Hoping nobody buys it and the price drops(doubt it though)
I have a 14 Fiesta ST with 95,000 miles on it,I’m on my 6th set of tires that’s how hard I drive it, it’s on a Cobb stage two tune, shift kit, Motor mount, 3” MBPR exhaust, with many Visual mods, it still has the stock clutch, witch my friends can’t believe, I’ve had to 145 mph, it really shines in the Twisties, I’ve 14 cars & 9 motorcycles, and this by the most fun I’ve ever had and I’m 73 years young. The Fiesta Flash 🤙🏼🍺🍺🍺
Holy shit u are a legend
Right on brother 😊
God I want a fiesta so bad, I’m just in the phase of watching all the videos of the car I can until I save up for it. I’m for sure gonna have to go with a set up like yours in the future. Killer car and keep it up
You get 1 yet
I own a fiST but i want a foST
@@brandon9621 yep I got one and I enjoy it more than the fost, my buddy has a fost. I just think the fiesta is more fun all around compared to the focus. But the fiesta is slower if that’s what you’re looking for. Probably gonna hang on to it for as long as I can I really think these 2 cars are gonna be very special down the road. Now more than ever since Ford is doing electric suvs and trucks. The need for a fun small car is growing more and more. Let me know how you like the foST though.
You're in luck theyre real cheap rn
@@brandon9621 fiST is os much more fun. Having owned both.
I have a Focus RS and I still love the Fiesta ST
Had a 2017 fiSt until someone totaled while parked in the street so i ended up getting a 2018 foSt and both fun cars cant go wrong with these 2 i wish i could afford to buy both but for now i love my focus
You really can’t go wrong either way they are both a riot to drive! Sorry to hear that your fiesta got wrecked but it’s great that you were able to replace it with another great hot hatch. Thanks for watching and commenting!
I bought a 2019 Fiesta ST. I've never owned a more fun car to drive, and ITS SO FREAKING CHEAP! Great video!
how much did you buy it for?
@@miltonvonahnen6225 I bought it new. Was about 19,500.00
I went with the Focus ST after seeing them both at the dealership. Litterally as soon as I pulled up and saw them both, I knew the Fiesta was out of consideration just based on how much gayer it looked🤣😂
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The fact that FiST weighs ~500lbs lighter than the FoST, makes it the automatic winner in my book. It's easier to make a car faster, but very difficult to make it lose that sort of weight.
Rush this is a bit late, but the front wheel drive on both cars makes it a big problem when you add more power because the tires will just spin and you won’t get much more out of a lighter car
@@cameronjohnson1789 Agree, these aren't cars I would tune for big horsepower and straight line speeds, a RWD or AWD would suit that purpose much better. With hot hatches, it's about the balance of having enough power to not overwhelm the chassis and be able to carry a lot of speed through corners. Hot hatches are all about the handling and fun IMO.
I have a fiesta sedan non turbo..it's like a go kart on back roads. If I go into a corner hot..all I gotta do is hit the gas pedal and it goes where it needs to go..no understeer
Again Drew, an Excellent video mate! I still lean towards the Fiesta ST, for it's liveliness and fun element!
Prices on fiestas are getting high enough that I'm thinking the creature comforts and practicality are pushing me to the focus, considering they're basically the same price
yeah we're going to start hitting the "diminishing returns" prices if they continue to creep up...
@@natezab5598 I went with the focus ST by the way, love it ❤️
The final decision was made when I realized Florida has no twisty roads so power is more fun than handling.. But honestly the focus handles like a beast, I keep throwing it into corners wondering "damn what's it gonna take to make this thing lose grip or understeer??" It just sticks, it's wild
@@matthewgoodwin7949 that's good to know, cause I'm looking at getting a fiesta in the next couple months and there are twisties around where I live but I don't have time to go over there often.
The interior quality and practicality of the focus has me rethinking my choice, I'll have to drive a FoST before I make my decision.
Can say they did not go down for sure. I just dropped 19k on a 2016 FiST with 60k miles. Don't expect em to go down now, especially with them no longer produced and the used market being broken.
I have a MK7 FiST and a MK3.5 FoST. Best of both worlds and i think your review is spot on for accuracy. Excellent review of both cars!
Great job dude! You deserve more subs than what you have! Keep it up
Thank you man! Really appreciate the support and I'm glad you liked the video, stay tuned for more!
Did this guy just say $15,000 for a car with less than 10k
Wtf.
This was pre-Covid
For what it's worth, I can't even remember how many dozen people in all of the st/rs groups have talked about how they got rid of their Focus ST or their Focus RS and went back to a Fiesta ST because it's so much more fun to drive.
They're all good cars, but man it's hard to beat that tiny, light, tail happy Fiesta
the Fiesta st has Miata vibes. Not the fastest most powerful thing, but its light and fun to drive.
As someone who currently owns both a '91 Miata and a 2017 Fiesta ST, I prefer the FiST. All the fun of a small car, but with the power, practicality, and comfort the Miata lacks.
Awesome video! I also own a fist it’s a great car! How is the MP215 kit?
Thanks! I really glad you enjoyed it! The MP215 package is an awesome upgrade. It definitely feels faster but more importantly the power feel a lot nicer. It has more low down and it really revs out. I’ll definitely do a video on it before I put my snow tires on. Thanks again for watching and commenting!
This is the comparison I’ve been looking for! Thanks for helping me make a decision on what to get
You’re welcome! I’m glad you found the video helpful and informative. Really appreciate the support. Enjoy your new ST!
As bone stock straight out of the factory, the Fiesta ST is less than a second slower to 60mph than the Focus ST.. I got the 3-door version fiesta ST here in Australia and I heard they are 100 pounds lighter than the 5-door ones. I done 127000km from brand new now and it's still driven hard everyday. I do 5000km engine oil and filter changes tho.
A great way to spend 12 minutes of your day. Excellent video. Much appreciated.
Great piece, we love both of these hot hatches. Keep it up!
I like the body with the rims. Wish you were selling it
Excellent review thank you. I can’t decide. I’m gonna have to test drive. I prefer the Fost looks , the fiST is too narrow and tall looking for me but I suspect I’d love the drive, I like gokart like cars. It’ll be my daily and I’ll have something old Japanese and rwd for the weekends, probably a 350z but my daily is on its way out so that will have to wait.
I’m considering picking up one of the two as well just trying to find out how reliable they are whenever they high mileage like 150,000 +
@@StreetrunnerYZF_R6 all depends on how well they’ve been maintained from what I’ve seen. My 1.6 focus has 115k on it and has never let me down. It’s been remarkably cheap to maintain. I’ll probably get the fiesta st but am waiting for one with fewer than 70k miles and full service history. There are plenty of them about so hopefully I’ll pick one soon.
Fiesta all day.
So weird watching these vids in 2020 when a beat up used FoST costs $20k
Exactly
We're in 2022 and I've seen them go for $25k lol
all my friends bough focus sts when i got my fietsa i serve gaps on the "track" turns. fbo 2018
You look like you could be Micheal Rapaports son! Also really appreciate the amount of effort you put into this video!
2022 pricing : $20k for 2016 with 50k miles lol. Bought one anyway. Twice as fun as my WRXs
I just bought a 2016 Fiesta ST with 42k miles for $19k. I fell for all of the add-on service contract stuff and probably paid too much but, the dealer I bought it from will take care of everything that oil touches. Having fun while still getting 35 mpg vs 18 mpg in my Lincoln LS V8 will save me tons.
@@pctshooter they are fun and geared just right. I'm gonna add some bracing, but I don't even think I care to tune it. The stock tune is pretty smooth. Enjoy!
I’m thinking of trading in my WRX for a FiST. I’m supposed to test drive one today. Are you glad to have swapped? I do love my WRX but I hear these are so much fun to drive!
@@ariafury glad I switched for sure
I'm considering getting either a Fiesta or Focus ST. I owned a 2016 Focus ST (ST3) for 3 years before trading it in on a 2017 Focus RS (that was re-engined with a brand new 2018 engine by Ford). Honestly I wish I just kept the Focus ST. There was nothing wrong with the RS, however honestly I found it was not as fun (or practical) to drive on the street as the ST.
The RS was truly only fun for me if I was driving it at 8/10ths or more of what it was capable of either at autocross or track. Just carving up some twisties and throttling out, the Focus ST was more enjoyable (had a Stage 1 tune from FSWerks on it, made power delivery much more linear instead of all up front and a lot more torque).
Fast forward to now, I have a 2007 4Runner that's my daily driver, winter, dog, and hauling vehicle and a 2021 Mustang Mach 1 Handling Package for my fun car. I'm thinking about a Fiesta or Focus ST as a 3rd car mainly as a daily driver so I'm not using the 4Runner as much (pretty awful MPG and it's big and heavy) as well as a fun joy ride vehicle to take out with the dogs, and a fun car to drive in the winter I don't care so much about (the Mach 1 doesn't see the winter roads).
I know I really enjoyed the Focus ST, but I lot of people rave about the Fiesta ST. I don't really *need* the room since I have the 4Runner to haul when needed. Main concern is if the back seats would be too small for the dogs, but I think it'd probably be fine. Aside from that would mostly be concern over refinement, road noise, suspension bumpiness, how it handles freeways, etc. Most of the time it seems used, well spec'ed Fiesta and Focus STs in decent shape under 80k miles are pretty similar in price. If the Fiesta ST were much cheaper, it'd make it more appealing, but in my searching it's usually not.
Fiesta st is way more fun for an everyday driver. I traded in for a RS and wish I still had fist most of the time.
I have heard a few owners say that. Would love to drive an RS to feel the differences for myself. After driving the focus st I can where that comes from. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@CarsandComments it's the short gearing of the fist that make it so fun jist to drive it around the block. The rs is hard to have legal fun. It's an awesome car but like I said, legal every day driving fun.
Great comparison video. These are clearly compromise cars for many people; fun, affordable and somewhat practical. I would find future comparisons or reviews more useful if the interior functionality was explored just a bit more. Eg. How much junk can you fit in the storage space? Are the rear seats comfortable for average adults, tall adults, etc..?
Is this Bear Mtn in killington?
Cringing when you say Fiesta under 10k miles for $15k... I'm in the market now and at that price point I'm looking at 60-80k miles :/ Seems like Focus and Fiesta ST prices are pretty comparable now
You get the FiST, then mod it to 250 hp like the FoST.
You are welcome and I’m a Midwest guy.. snow tires are already on lol I’d love to see a video about the kit! Take care and be safe!
Same to you!
Put OZ Ultraleggeras on it and everything feels better. They are 6 pounds lighter than stock wheels.
Great review.. what splash guards you running
Rally Armor UR Mudflaps
Subscribed to the channel! Great to see some people, especially here in New England, keeping cars alive!
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed the video and appreciate the subscription.!
i love my focus st but cant go wrong with either one
I’m so jealous of the American prices
Great vid! Would be cool if you could compare to a WRX or a Civic Si
Thanks! I’m glad you enjoyed the video! I have yet to drive the latest generation WRX and Civic SI but would love to get in both. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Where did you get your roof rack for your fist?
how does it drive in the snow? i live in Michigan lol.
Funny you should ask! Editing that video right now. Short story is with snow tires, good. Really good.
I think it’s mostly the driver. I used to live in Colorado and I had a Roush Mustang. I had zero issues in the snow and I didn’t have snow tires.
Drove my fiesta I. The snow in North Carolina. Drove about 50 miles in non plowed roads. Was on shitty Toyo extensas or whatever. Car handled great lol when when I had to push through where a Jeep had gone before me because there was nothing but snow up to about 8 -12 inchs
Thanks bro
awesome video, just picked up at 2019. look forward to getting it on some twisties
does anyone know which is more expensive to run /insure?
also, does the fiesta feel safe cruising arund 80mph on the highwway? or would the focus make you feel more confident cruising.
Insurance on them is very similar. The focus is a better highway car but the fiesta isn’t bad. I’ve done a bunch road trips in my FiST and it’s been great. Drive both you’ll get a good feel for which one is better for you and how you’ll use it.
Thanks so much. Great video
Both these cars ass tbh
Nice job!
Wheres the drag race?
There is a gigantic step up from the ST to the RS
are all american fiesta st 5 door and come without recaros?
Recaros are in optional in the NAS Fiesta ST unfortunately most seem to have the base seats.
Cars and Comments that’s mad, I’ve not seen those seats in any uk st
They actually aren’t bad! Still an upgrade over standard Fiesta seats. Recaros are where it’s at though, wish my car had em but the deal on it was too good to pass up.
Cars and Comments do you think upgrading to the focus is worth it? I’ve been thinking about the focus next
I personally prefer the lighter more exciting handling of the fiesta but the focus is a blast. If you’re looking for a more powerful experience it’s definitely worth it. I personally like the fiesta better overall but drive both see which one works best for you. Focus RS though.... not sure haven’t driven one yet but that is probably worth the upgrade.
Great video and great choice!
Glad you enjoyed it! And It is a great car, having lots of fun with it. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Very nice review sir
Good vid! Invest in a better mic, blue yeti or snowball are great!
Excellent review man....great detailed analysis of the driving experience in both cars.....keep it up!
Thanks Chris! Really glad you liked the video and really appreciate you watching and leaving feedback.
Really good review man. Nice one
Thanks for the review!
love both cars, I live in Arizona and it's mostly straight roads unless I go up into the mountains. what would be the best pick for me? also I've heard FoST can have ringland failure similar to Subarus, this does concern me a bit. Keep up the good work, I'd probably look into getting a new mic for voiceovers post filming and maybe learn editing techniques in Adobe products to help with the promotion, video quality and look of the channel. keep it up!
Glad you enjoyed the video! I am upgrading gear as money allows and appreciate the constructive feedback. If it’s mostly straight roads where you live then I would say focus over fiesta. Though you’d still have a blast in the fiesta the extra grunt in the focus will be more of a laugh in that environment. Plus if you do hit the occasional twisties or the track the focus still has great dynamic tendencies. As for reliability, I think if your not running extreme horsepower it should be pretty solid. I have not researched that particular issue but from what I’ve heard from other owners, their cars seem to be great. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Great vid!
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it and thanks for watching!
Nice review!
First video I’ve seen by you and I instantly subscribed once it was over. Can’t wait to check out your other content!
Thanks! I’m really glad you enjoyed the video and hope you like the other ones. Really appreciate the subscription and the compliments!
Hey I just wanted to say you had a very informantive video and THANK YOU for not spamming us with the "like, subscribe, bell" bs. I'm so over that and make an effort to thumbs down and diss on every video that does that. Imo it's very counterproductive to say that shiz. Thanks again and keep it up
"Nothing Major" I wish I could call a couple k worth of upgrades on a 15k car nothing major.
Cheap shocks are the reason for the ride quality complaints
The focus st interior seats are not comfortable, tf
I had a fiesta st and loved it. I am in the process of trying to decide if I'm going to get another fiesta st (maybe even the newer 3 cylinder one) or the focus st. I need some advice from anyone willing to offer...
I think we all know the fiesta st is a superior handling car. What I'm trying to learn is, from factory, which is better at what it does, which is better all around (performance and daily driving... that new 3 cylinder seems prime with that very good regular driving mpg), which is better with small mods (ie an access port tuner), which fiesta st is better (the 4 cylinder or the 3) and lastly, is there a better alternative to these mentioned Ford vehicles (GTI, BRZ, WRX etc) for the price point either new or old?
Thanks in advance for anyone who helps!
I probably have one of the higher mileage Fists on the road at 112k and that’s with a 93 octane Cobb stage 1 tune since 60k miles and I drive it pretty hard. No real issues and to this day, for the past five years I always enjoy getting in this car and driving it. Definitely plenty of smiles per gallon with this little hot hatch. I can vouch the car is reliable if you maintain it and it is just so fun to drive, feels much faster than it is and what else could you ask for?? You can’t push these modern muscle cars like the Demon and such but you can push this one all day and not worry as much about going to jail. To top is off it gets 34 mpg on the highway even with the stage one tune. The only other car I really want right now in my budget is the new 86 and I really do like the new Miatas as well, preferably hard top.
I live in the city what car you think is better ? Love the video
Thanks I’m glad you enjoyed it! I have bombed around Boston quite a bit in my fiesta and it’s an excellent city car. More than ample power for going for a gap in traffic and the small size makes it super nimble and easy to park. The focus will give a smoother ride though so I would drive a fiesta to see if it it’s to stiff for rough urban roads. It isn’t for me personally but I can see where someone may think that in which case the focus may be better. If the ride works for you though I’d say the fiesta is the urban weapon you’re looking for!
I've lived in Chicago, Denver and Los Angeles. For the city, lighter and smaller rules. You'll just never use the power of a big motor. You'll deal with the inevitable traffic jams, and just sit there in the bumper to bumper. The Fiesta will be more agile and burn less gas. It also has a tighter turning radius. The Focus is cushier, but not as tight. In either car, be ready for a stiff ride.
@@CarsandComments thank you very much for the reply i think of saving up for a 2015 or 2014 Ford fiesta
No problem! I think you’ll be very happy with one of those and good luck with the search!
Dude, you have a "performance" car there and you put Firestone tires on it???? The tires are where "the rubber meets the road"...why such a casual attitude about something so critical...wtf??
The Firestone Firehawk Indy 500 is actually a surprisingly good tire. I thought the same thing you did when they were recommended to me but they are actually a really good performance tire for the ST. They unfortunately do not make Michelin PS4s that fit the stock rims and the Firestones are a very common upgrade from the OEM potenzas. I’ve been very happy with them as a performance tire and they offer more grip than the stock Bridgestones. Check them out on tire rack they may surprise you! Thanks for commenting!
Those tires are probably the most commonly chosen summer tires for the Fiesta ST. They're a redesigned updated Bridgestone RE11 I believe. They're great in wet and dry, the only time I've noticed I need more grip is during autocross in a small tight course. It's pretty difficult to reach the tires limits on the roads.
try not to use filler words because it is very distracting hearing UM and UH every 2 seconds.
I appreciate the feedback, its a common critique and one that I am working on. Thanks for your comment and for watching!
Every two seconds, huh? Sorry but I'm not hearing that. Good job on your video!
@@DR4WZ mad dramatic. Havent heard an un or uh in 1 minute. No need to be rude my guy.
He wasn't that bad, you try making a video and talking while driving.
I bought a 2017 fiesta st last year. Best car ever. Love it!!!
Which one is better if you don't want a ST, but just a normal car for everyday life? Which one is better, Fiesta or Focus?