Anyone else feel like they just watched a Bloomberg produced Go Fund me campaign ad? Lots of buzz words, generalities, and fluff. No hard numbers, data, or facts.
the amount of buzzwords really made me critical about that thing. Nothing Disruptiv in this idea but since cathie woods "great success" it's a synonym for a great future. I had the feeling there is something they don't tell me about it - luckily the first comment said it: Wireless charging needs like 50% more power. So this will not be viable for decades.
We already have cars that sun on electic roads, they are called trains , streetcars etc. Not every solution needs to be a tech solution, behavioral change can have a far greater impact on the planet
It does need to be a tech solution, or a massive overhauling and destruction of American cities. Streetcars have practically been erased from existence, and their infrastructure torn up decades ago. Train lines in the US (for example Chicago’s L) typically run solely from the neighborhoods to downtown, while most people commute to/between the suburbs for work, which leads to time-consuming and slow bus routes being the only public transport option. Most people also live in suburban environments, which are significantly lower-density and hence make public transport more expensive and less efficient. American cities have been completely rebuilt for the car, and you’re committing to a near-impossible task by trying to force everyone to public transport without addressing these issues that prevent it from being viable.
@@Pantsinabucket That sound to me to rather be a US-city miss planing issue. I also learned only recently that they don't really know the concept of district heating... well US always feels like a third world nation over there.
@@Pantsinabucket true. i love the train, but its a big ask for American's to shift a cultural perception of cars. I wonder what the cost difference is between extending rails/lite-rails and retrofitting roads. I imagine it would be cheaper and faster since the retrofit is road work only. Rail and metro are major construction efforts with visible structures surrounding the tracks (if above ground and even bigger below ground) and their stops.
Rain, snow, freezing ground, mud, no chances there for conductivity to be hindered let alone for short circuits. Did I mention? Laying all that cable means ripping up the existing road. Oh, and literally millions of cars driving over it all day every day. Common sense explains why this is nearly as stupid as imagining that roads can be used as solar collectors.
If there only was some way to put these wires above, not under. We could even connect to them directly, not wirelessly. Great idea! I'll gonna patent it asap. How do I call it? Thansitional... no, we need something shorter. Trans... no. Even shorter. I know, I'll call it Tram! Great name, I'm sure it wasn't used before. Or maybe better call it trolley-bus?
@@0x0michael What I meant was the copper used to build the coils, which especially for power transmitting should be high grade material(copper itself is very pricy) for efficiency purposes, another factor is the distance made by the wheels of the vehicle in which make the power tranmission very inefficient (think about how we currently use the wireless chargers for the phone. their body will usuallly be in touch with other).
global copper reserves is at least 40x larger than lithium reserves and more than 100x larger than cobalt reserves, not to mention that copper recycling is much more environmentally friendly
@@shanewalker3273 True, but the scale of deployment should be taken into account, (roads, highways, ...), also the process due to the distance of radiation coupling is somewhat inefficient.
@@ernestoramos520 exactly. why they just dont invent car tires with coil rims on the surface and just dont transfer energy with conduction. it would be much more effective
I was hoping someone would invent a reason for traffic to concentrate a small number or roads, in a specific lane. This should solve the problem of too little congestion that literally nobody is complaining about.
@@piyushshaw5063 not if electric vehicles are using said lane more then other vehicles. In certain parts of the US we have dedicated lanes for electric vehicles that would be prime real estate for this kind of technology. The phasing out of internal combustion vehicles will take long enough where if all drivers are aware of what lanes have this technology, drivers with internal combustion engines would just avoid that lane. I don’t think that this problem is much of a concern at this stage.
Actually, putting cars in a single lane can increase efficiency. If you hook them together, there is less aerodynamic drag. You can even remove the batteries! Since we have a specific lane, we can have special cars that hook to power lines above the road. Maybe even make the road and wheels out of something that wastes as little energy as possible, maybe steel. Hmmm.... this sounds like an electric train
@@piyushshaw5063 thermal radiation from an electric car battery is not nearly enough to “heat up” a car lane. Combustion engines run much hotter than an electric road or car battery
There is already an electric road that has been around for decades, its called a trolleybus So, put up electric wires on all the roads and allow any cars to connect and disconnect at will
digging up the roads of one major city laying copper wiring would use up a year or two of the world's entire production of copper . All for having smaller batteries?
What about the WASTAGE OF ELECTRICITY ? Whenever we talk about wireless charging there is this massive, massive problem of loss of power while charging. Who'll pay for it?
The receiver. There is also a loss of energy when using any kind of fast charging and people are still fine paying the energy provider for kW dispensed rather than kW "charged".
Just what I was thinking. This will probably have the durability of solar roadways and imagine the cost of putting this on every freeway. You also need high voltage transmission lines to power this thing along the entire freeway. Finally what is this thing going to look like in 10 years when a bunch of tanker trucks have been driving over it 24/7
So do they have an estimate on how much copper they will need to power major cities or popular highways? Also what is the power efficiency of their system?
Copper? Probably gonna be cryogenic carbon for zero resistance for most of the transmitting, just copper for the coils... and we're gonna start mining the moon soon also for metals/elements..
Efficiency is what wins the game. If we switch from ICE (3x% efficiency) to EVs (81-93% efficiency), we already won. Improving the charging infrastructure may have another benefit, though - limit speeds on the roads. I'd put it in the stoppage lane or the slowest lne, though - need a charge - drive for 2-5km in the "slow lane", get a boost and drive on. And take a loss of wireless charging - which is huge - 47% as "Nobody" commented.
So everyone here is talking about efficiency and environmental issues. But let me tell you the biggest hurdle this will face: Ain't nobody got the money retrofit millions of miles of road with that stuff.
Batteries are greatly effected by cold weather. The mileage range can go significantly cold weather with an electric car. I know that regular car batteries are effected by cold weather too .
Wireless charging is now just as efficient and regular public electric station charging or home overnight charging. This is a fact of physics! So energising the roads in specific locations is the ultimate way of the future and using this approach means we would not need so much onboard battery total storage capacity, This will make lighter and cheaper vehicles a thing of the future and solve many existing problems and determinants to the rapid adoption of our clean and so much safer electric future.
That's nothing compared to the price of maintaining such a road. And now any pothole is not just a hole to be patched some day. No-no-no. Now every pothole is a threat to the whose system.
Any future technology of transportation has to be convenient and economically sustainable. I am sorry your idea is going to be a big fail. Better think something else 🙏🙏🙏
This would be so bad for the environment. It's disappointing to hear at 13:13 that it's the company's goal to limit environmental impact of electric mobility. Their goal is obviously about making money. It's also disappointing that Bloomberg would just post something like this without any serious thought as to the hypocrisy of the business model vs its stated goals.
Once (if ever) there is more energy that we need and we maybe can mine asteroids for copper this technology can come in handy. So give it 100 years or so.
We've had this since the 70s to move college students. It still functions perfectly and is self sustaining as far as energy. They could have done this yearsss ago.
They say we are lacking lithium and all that for the batteries but they are putting massive copper coils under the ground. How is this better, cooper is to usefull to be used in such massive scale.
@Jeremiah Liggins very often? I haven't seen the roads repaved in my city for as long as I can remember, even if it's repaved often, have you taken into account the amount of roads in the world? Even just in developed world? How much money is it gonna take to pave all of them? who's gonna pave for that? you?
No it is a terrible idea. It is incredibly costly to put copper coils into all of the roads. Also wireless charging technology wastes a lot of energy. 50% of it gets turned into heat. Imagine throwing away half of the petrol you buy.
if this solution is more effective than traditional charging tech in terms of saving resources, lowering ownership and purchasing cost of car and batteries, environment friendly, economic growth, easiness in lifestyle of population then we should adopt this tech ASAP all over the world.
I see a problem, they are testing at like 2.5in when it'll be like 3.5ft, lower efficiency, and thats a LOT of copper so it will only be available in cities, but everyone would still have to pay for it in taxes. Copper is expensive too, which means people digging up the road to steal it will probably happen, meaning more accidents and a rise in copper price
I spent 10 weeks of my life doing engineering for a government project like this, then I owned an electrical car. My take: This makes sense if you only have bad electric cars with bad ranges and slow charging and few charging stations. In a world with 300+ mile ranges, superchargers etc this makes no sense. Until then it will just be wasted tax payers money and engineering hours going nowhere.
This would be perfect for vehicles that drive on roads but never stop in parking spaces. Like.... well, like just... roving... ah.. cars, you know, that never park. That's a thing, right?
Not many have heard about it I guess, but there's this thing in development, it's called "autonomous driving". So in short, the answer to your question is: it will be.
@@idomaghic they'll be just fine using charging stations and home charging. If people want to pay an automated fee to fund the outlay + twice the electricity cost after half of it doesn't make it to the car then props to them. As long as it's not the public coughing up for drivers yet again.
@UCtAqDhUnjOS5nB2WAwP-Ugg a little bit of downtime on a wageless, energy efficient vehicle is nothing in comparison to losing your energy efficiency and paying for an absurd amount of infrastructure. Even just the copper alone is monumental. It's been hard to even justify for rail operators on high volume routes (maglev has similar needs) with subsidies, and where most of the energy isn't going to waste. Suggesting this in the ground without duping highway administrations for wads of public money is either head in the clouds or vapourware.
@@Freshbott2 right, I'll continue this discussion when you've read up on the current state of dynamic wireless charging, because from your incorrect assumption of transmission inefficiency (where actual fact is that dynamic wireless induction charging can actually outperform plug charging, especially at high loads), it is clear that you simply don't know what the current reality is. Any further discussion would be a bit like arguing about the shortest route with a flat earther.
No, we don't have wireless power transmission, because it simply doesn't work over a distance. The losses due to heat and the beam spreading out, mean that you can't do wireless power over more than a meter.
Sorry my negativity but the amount of emissions produced by the construction and the extraction of raw materials required to build this infrastructure is far way bigger than the benefit it is marketing. There are plenty of ideas out there to improve mobility the real breakthrough is how to make humanity compromise to the changes we need.
It is highly inefficient, especially at that scale. When a cellphone is wirelessly charged, the loss is acceptable as the charger's efficiency is approximately 70% for that size of a system. When wireless car charging is implemented on roads, there will be at least 1 to 2 feet distance between the coil on the car to the ones in the road; the thing will probably be 30% efficient with a +/- tolerance of 4-5% due to uneven roads as well. Not really practical.
Our family’s Toyota Camry has a ground clearance of 0.5 feet. Most cars have a similar ground clearance so the efficiency would be way higher than 30%.
That is not a bad idea for urban areas, I can definitely see it being a thing in city centers and roads going in and out of them to continuously charge commuter cars, buses, commercial vehicles and the like. As long as it is properly standardized of course. For everywhere else though, this sounds much more complicated and costly than simply building more charge stations. Engineers around the world are working tirelessly on the development of batteries that don't rely on rare resources like lithium or cobalt and have a much smaller carbon footprint in manufacturing.
The technology developed at MIT is said to have no energy loss. What about putting receivers on the front or back of cars so property owners could put units on the walls of each parking stall in places like parking garages without having to jack hammer up the concrete floors and it might be easier for home units and other areas and faster and a lot less costly to install.
there's a HUGE question of earthquake , landslide , overturned heavy machineries that will sever & disrupt those buried coils that are supplying much needed energy .
I didn't get the idea, In the early minute of the video, it said that charging battery is not truly sustainable. However at the end, they didn't provide any information regarding the efficacy and efficiency of the system compare to the charge model. In short, they only replace the way of charging the battery which doesn't any significant impact to battery consumption. Indeed, it is true by using this tech, people can save time, but cannot save energy. By expanding the transmission, it means more cable and more loss in the transmission system. If we talk about time, why don't use battery swap instead? Lower capital investment. Here in Taiwan, battery swap already won the public and the case. Also simple payment method.
I expected this to be a repeat of the solar powered road surface that had programmable led markings to enable reconfiguring travel lanes, automatic heating to clear snow and ice, secure pathways for utilities and an indestructible surface that will last forever even with heavy truck traffic and available with Bose sound cancelling technology to eliminate all noise from the road. All for less than 1/3 the price of an asphalt installation. Nope, this is a startup idea that really shouldn't have gotten past first thoughts of wirelessly charging through the road surface.
This is a brilliant idea, but there are a few shortcomings. Firstly, the wireless transfer of electricity is too inefficient. They need to hang electric wires over the road and maybe extend a boom arm from the car to transfer electricity. They should also run the car along a rail to maintain alignment with the overhead wires. Single user cars will still be inefficient. Maybe they should make the cars bigger so that they can fit a couple hundred people. Oh wait, that's a tram. Nevermind
Oh no, electric vehicles take power from coal and natural gas!? But can your gas guzzler fill its tank with wind power? That’s the difference. EV’s *can* get their power from renewables. One problem at a time though, because doing it all at once would be too much for the boomers.
This could be great tech to implement for Electric racing such as Formula E. That way they can figure out the tech on a small track and then the technology can trickle down especial as Formula E are raced on inner city streets where the tech could be left behind and used by everyone.
Is it worth to loose more than 40% energy while it is transferred and efficiency decreases further by increasing the distance between the two coils.....
Totally. But then, why not make a dedicated charging spot there? What's cheaper - to make 10-20% more spare robots to charge them in cycles, or cover a huge portion of froor with not so effective transmitters?
How about more public transport with direct electrical connection in order to remove wireless energy waste, like idk - trams, trolleybus, trains, metro!
Do you want an even better answer? Over head cables on highways like cable car. You will only need it on long routes so you can start with buses and trucks only first as the wired route is the most efficient and the ones requiring the most range are handled first while we think about cars later
My humble opinion: PHEV Period. I have owned plenty of Gas cars, Electric only cars, and hybrid cars. They all have issues. Gas always burns gas even stopped at a light, Hybrids always burn gas when moving, Electrics always have charging delays and range anxiety on a long day of errands. PHEV is my favorite! You get the no anxiety drive, point A to B on EV only daily to work. Anytime you need to go farther the gas kicks in for unlimited rang. In large Metropolitan areas the smog would reduce. Plug in at home while you sleep and full again every morning. Gas on the interstate, EV on surface streets. Diesel Semi truck between cities, Drop/Pickup zones on edges of cities, EV trucks in city limits to deliver and bring full trailers to the drop zones.
The comment about a big question about economics is an understatement and underlies everything from expected lifetime, any road construction requirements, maintenance and management systems, more. In particular, I'm trying to imagine embedding in what kinds of roads, here in the USA we have a few roads like our interstate superhighways which are concrete and are resurfaced maybe every 8-15 years depending on use. Asphalt roads need to be resurfaced and repaired nearly annually. Resurfacing often involves adding new layers so might put the electromagnetic emitters and collectors deeper under ground over time unless you go through an additional process of removing layers and risk damaging the system. The basics might be relatively well known but specifics and details could be concerning.
Why is there no mention of efficiency of the charging to the vehicle. Wireless charging is already inefficient for mobile devices etc. but those devices are usually touching so I feel like the inefficiency of their "solution" is magnified bc it's buried under asphalt as well as the distance between the undercarriage of the car and the road. I'm just curious if these are things their also working on and have potential solutions for.
@@shanewalker3273 if world needs 10 nuclear power plants to support all the electric cars in the future, if we use this type of roads then we will need 20 to handle the super inefficient power transmission. A world with nuclear power plants over the current renewable is debatable but probably is better. If we need 100 power plants in total in the future but because of this technology we will need 110 power plants, then this extra 10 power plants is not a wise thing to do.
Amazing idea, in the future there will be a massive amount of electric cars. So the demand on charging stations will be extremely high, this is the perfect solution.
Or maybe just introduce hydrogen-derived carbon neutral bio/synthetic fuels? They are a thing you know. Then we dont really need to massively upgrade the millions of roads at the cost of taxpayers. And we dont need to lithium mine so much due to the explosion of EV vehicles.
Once upon a time there was a kingdom in the Egyptian desert... The citizens used to walk barefoot on hot road surfaces in the afternoon sunshine and have scars on their feet. The king had an idea - to cover all the road surfaces with leather. Then one of his wise men said to the king - why don't we cover the feet with leather rather than covering the roads, and the concept of shoes was born.
It's great to see wireless charging roads helping us in cutting down the need for electric batteries but how efficient are these systems and with current technologies does the cutting of vehicular emission due to extensive production and installation of these coils justify the pollution which might be produced in the process of producing these?
Electric roads LOL the future should be maybe more electric stuff but not roads that cost upwards of 100 billion dollars for those "lets solve the climate change" people while people still are dying of hunger in the USA including families in great numbers which can't put food on the table..
People are talking and criticizing them for not considering the energy loss but remember this technology is *still* in development. They’re working on it
It's over 90% efficient. I worked in this field for several years. There's a lot of nonsense being said in these comments. I haven't heard of this specific company though. The tech works great, the business case just isn't there yet. That may change with increasing electric vehicle adoption.
The Field Engineer cant even make a clear distinction between kW and kWh. NTM the Capex and Opex of this project is gigantically large, even developed countries will have a hard time implementing this.
Anyone else feel like they just watched a Bloomberg produced Go Fund me campaign ad? Lots of buzz words, generalities, and fluff. No hard numbers, data, or facts.
the amount of buzzwords really made me critical about that thing.
Nothing Disruptiv in this idea but since cathie woods "great success" it's a synonym for a great future. I had the feeling there is something they don't tell me about it - luckily the first comment said it: Wireless charging needs like 50% more power. So this will not be viable for decades.
complete garbage video and garbage business plan
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Nah bruh, just you
Wanna buy my wireless charging system? There are zero drawbacks. No numbers to give you though.
We already have cars that sun on electic roads, they are called trains , streetcars etc. Not every solution needs to be a tech solution, behavioral change can have a far greater impact on the planet
It does need to be a tech solution, or a massive overhauling and destruction of American cities. Streetcars have practically been erased from existence, and their infrastructure torn up decades ago. Train lines in the US (for example Chicago’s L) typically run solely from the neighborhoods to downtown, while most people commute to/between the suburbs for work, which leads to time-consuming and slow bus routes being the only public transport option. Most people also live in suburban environments, which are significantly lower-density and hence make public transport more expensive and less efficient. American cities have been completely rebuilt for the car, and you’re committing to a near-impossible task by trying to force everyone to public transport without addressing these issues that prevent it from being viable.
@@Pantsinabucket That sound to me to rather be a US-city miss planing issue. I also learned only recently that they don't really know the concept of district heating... well US always feels like a third world nation over there.
@@Pantsinabucket true. i love the train, but its a big ask for American's to shift a cultural perception of cars. I wonder what the cost difference is between extending rails/lite-rails and retrofitting roads. I imagine it would be cheaper and faster since the retrofit is road work only. Rail and metro are major construction efforts with visible structures surrounding the tracks (if above ground and even bigger below ground) and their stops.
That's totally different. Light rail works great in urban areas. It's can't work in less dense regions.
That can make passenger rail profitable
Wireless charging low efficiency, will double the amount of energy needed for the same result. This is an environmentally criminal idea.
But it's electric!!!11
@@tomlxyz Electricity is not inherently "green". It depends on the way it was generated.
@@nathan3239 /whoosh
But they said they will use the 'cloud' .. this makes the whole process 112% efficient /s
I guess the argument they make is that will allow to use “half” the battery, so it will be greaner overall ?
Rain, snow, freezing ground, mud, no chances there for conductivity to be hindered let alone for short circuits. Did I mention? Laying all that cable means ripping up the existing road. Oh, and literally millions of cars driving over it all day every day. Common sense explains why this is nearly as stupid as imagining that roads can be used as solar collectors.
thank you..whose start up is this??
If there only was some way to put these wires above, not under. We could even connect to them directly, not wirelessly. Great idea! I'll gonna patent it asap. How do I call it? Thansitional... no, we need something shorter. Trans... no. Even shorter. I know, I'll call it Tram! Great name, I'm sure it wasn't used before.
Or maybe better call it trolley-bus?
Begin with raising concern about depletion of materials like cobalt and lithium, end with depleting the copper resources ...
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This is a solution to that, use buses use less cobalt, use wireless charging use less lithium (smaller batteries)
@@0x0michael What I meant was the copper used to build the coils, which especially for power transmitting should be high grade material(copper itself is very pricy) for efficiency purposes, another factor is the distance made by the wheels of the vehicle in which make the power tranmission very inefficient (think about how we currently use the wireless chargers for the phone. their body will usuallly be in touch with other).
global copper reserves is at least 40x larger than lithium reserves and more than 100x larger than cobalt reserves, not to mention that copper recycling is much more environmentally friendly
@@shanewalker3273 True, but the scale of deployment should be taken into account, (roads, highways, ...), also the process due to the distance of radiation coupling is somewhat inefficient.
this is great but wireless charging emits heat as waste product so you
throw away 47% more energy just as heat energy :-) so whats green about
that?
No to mention you had to make a hole in all roads to pull the coil, which have a huge cost
@@ernestoramos520 exactly. why they just dont invent car tires with coil rims on the surface and just dont transfer energy with conduction. it would be much more effective
to just dig few cm into the ground and install
and transfer it on touching surfaces
@@squarewheel9113 are you insane?
This will never even be needed
This might work on a limited scale, like in a factory or a warehouse. Seems like an ad for a company that probably won't live very long.
It's an ad for ford, it says at the start. Hopefully you're right though.
it's a promo clearly. These ideas have been around since the beginning of electric cars, it's a no brainer why it's not being used.
Or fixed bus routes, particularly in places like Phoenix or LA where the weather will not mess stuff up too often
Yeah this is just too expensive and non efficient
Bus routes.
I was hoping someone would invent a reason for traffic to concentrate a small number or roads, in a specific lane. This should solve the problem of too little congestion that literally nobody is complaining about.
Exactly, that's the point I am raising. It's this issue of loss of energy in the form of heat.
@@piyushshaw5063 not if electric vehicles are using said lane more then other vehicles. In certain parts of the US we have dedicated lanes for electric vehicles that would be prime real estate for this kind of technology. The phasing out of internal combustion vehicles will take long enough where if all drivers are aware of what lanes have this technology, drivers with internal combustion engines would just avoid that lane. I don’t think that this problem is much of a concern at this stage.
Actually, putting cars in a single lane can increase efficiency. If you hook them together, there is less aerodynamic drag. You can even remove the batteries! Since we have a specific lane, we can have special cars that hook to power lines above the road. Maybe even make the road and wheels out of something that wastes as little energy as possible, maybe steel. Hmmm.... this sounds like an electric train
Sounds like public transport to me
@@piyushshaw5063 thermal radiation from an electric car battery is not nearly enough to “heat up” a car lane. Combustion engines run much hotter than an electric road or car battery
There is already an electric road that has been around for decades, its called a trolleybus
So, put up electric wires on all the roads and allow any cars to connect and disconnect at will
🤣🤣 and make streets uglier? NO!
@@bluegas the streets will be far less smelly from the reduced number of polluting vehicles
This doesn't work that way :P
That will resolve the charging problem, just pay a monthly fee.
@@juanfermin1841 or pay for it through taxes
In the United States you pay a toll just to drive through nothing but potholes.
"batteries don't grow on trees" ah darn!
Wooden batteries coming 2026!
digging up the roads of one major city
laying copper wiring
would use up a year or two of the world's entire production of copper .
All for having smaller batteries?
What about the WASTAGE OF ELECTRICITY ? Whenever we talk about wireless charging there is this massive, massive problem of loss of power while charging. Who'll pay for it?
This is still in dev. phase. I am waiting to see how it shakes out.
The receiver. There is also a loss of energy when using any kind of fast charging and people are still fine paying the energy provider for kW dispensed rather than kW "charged".
Due to advance in electronics this is easily solved by switching ON and OFF detecting when a vehicle passes above
@@muskreality even when a car it stationary above a charging coil, you still lose ~half the energy through heat.
Switching won't solve this.
Already in 2018 the US dept of energy achieved 97% efficiency at 120kW charging, which is comparable to cable charging.
Ok thunderfoot has new material
Just what I was thinking. This will probably have the durability of solar roadways and imagine the cost of putting this on every freeway. You also need high voltage transmission lines to power this thing along the entire freeway. Finally what is this thing going to look like in 10 years when a bunch of tanker trucks have been driving over it 24/7
We should use bumper car technology. It's been well established for years now.
haha
So do they have an estimate on how much copper they will need to power major cities or popular highways? Also what is the power efficiency of their system?
Copper? Probably gonna be cryogenic carbon for zero resistance for most of the transmitting, just copper for the coils... and we're gonna start mining the moon soon also for metals/elements..
@@toadamineoh yeah huh! I work for moon security so I’m waiting to have a different setting of a career. Tired of watching over the moon. 😵💫
Efficiency is what wins the game. If we switch from ICE (3x% efficiency) to EVs (81-93% efficiency), we already won. Improving the charging infrastructure may have another benefit, though - limit speeds on the roads. I'd put it in the stoppage lane or the slowest lne, though - need a charge - drive for 2-5km in the "slow lane", get a boost and drive on. And take a loss of wireless charging - which is huge - 47% as "Nobody" commented.
Feels like some people are going out of their way to ignore and not introduce better and more extensive public transportations.
That being the big auto makers. See the "powered by ford" logo in the top left at the start of the video.
I suggested this to my dad as a way around pollution and batteries before I could read. He still remembers talking to me about it.
Copper ah yes..one of the most expensive metals
it would be great for my country, Chile
It's also limited....
If only we didn't need to put large amounts of it in every car just like with those other expensive materials... oh wait!
@@piotrtrebisz6602 i think it would be more practical a wire direct from the car to the ground
So everyone here is talking about efficiency and environmental issues. But let me tell you the biggest hurdle this will face: Ain't nobody got the money retrofit millions of miles of road with that stuff.
Im curious how this would work in Northern Countries that have harsh winters, especially in places that use salt on roads.
It won’t work anywhere. Think about it properly
@@seankilburn7200 as is definitely not, but i like the concept.
Batteries are greatly effected by cold weather. The mileage range can go significantly cold weather with an electric car. I know that regular car batteries are effected by cold weather too .
Wireless charging is now just as efficient and regular public electric station charging or home overnight charging. This is a fact of physics! So energising the roads in specific locations is the ultimate way of the future and using this approach means we would not need so much onboard battery total storage capacity, This will make lighter and cheaper vehicles a thing of the future and solve many existing problems and determinants to the rapid adoption of our clean and so much safer electric future.
The amount of copper consumed for thousands of miles of roads is huge. Bad idea.
That's nothing compared to the price of maintaining such a road.
And now any pothole is not just a hole to be patched some day. No-no-no. Now every pothole is a threat to the whose system.
You should've talked about energy *wastage* when using this type of technology at mass-scale.
Any future technology of transportation has to be convenient and economically sustainable. I am sorry your idea is going to be a big fail. Better think something else 🙏🙏🙏
This would be so bad for the environment. It's disappointing to hear at 13:13 that it's the company's goal to limit environmental impact of electric mobility. Their goal is obviously about making money. It's also disappointing that Bloomberg would just post something like this without any serious thought as to the hypocrisy of the business model vs its stated goals.
Once (if ever) there is more energy that we need and we maybe can mine asteroids for copper this technology can come in handy. So give it 100 years or so.
Yes
We've had this since the 70s to move college students. It still functions perfectly and is self sustaining as far as energy. They could have done this yearsss ago.
Where?
They say we are lacking lithium and all that for the batteries but they are putting massive copper coils under the ground. How is this better, cooper is to usefull to be used in such massive scale.
We don't have enough copper on this planet for our existing tech, where shall we find a couple of billion tons to electrify the road networks?
this idea may never come to real life because the amount of renovation needed for already existing infrastructure is beyond astronomical.
@Jeremiah Liggins very often? I haven't seen the roads repaved in my city for as long as I can remember, even if it's repaved often, have you taken into account the amount of roads in the world? Even just in developed world? How much money is it gonna take to pave all of them? who's gonna pave for that? you?
Think about this idea, TRAINS, RAILS, FEWER ROADS
exactly lol
energy lost, wireless charging road cost?
i think it would be twice as expansive to even cover operating cost
This is a genius idea, wow what an inspiration that we can solve any problems, what a source of optimism for the future
No it is a terrible idea. It is incredibly costly to put copper coils into all of the roads. Also wireless charging technology wastes a lot of energy. 50% of it gets turned into heat. Imagine throwing away half of the petrol you buy.
if this solution is more effective than traditional charging tech in terms of saving resources, lowering ownership and purchasing cost of car and batteries, environment friendly, economic growth, easiness in lifestyle of population then we should adopt this tech ASAP all over the world.
Imagine being in Texas and the grid fails. Not only can't you heat your home, but now one can't even make it to the store or hospital. 🤔
You still will have batteries except 50 miles range instead 300 miles.
I see a problem, they are testing at like 2.5in when it'll be like 3.5ft, lower efficiency, and thats a LOT of copper so it will only be available in cities, but everyone would still have to pay for it in taxes. Copper is expensive too, which means people digging up the road to steal it will probably happen, meaning more accidents and a rise in copper price
I really liked the way the guy explaining how his awesome charger works doesn't know the difference between power and energy
Wireless charging already in place in China a year ago
I spent 10 weeks of my life doing engineering for a government project like this, then I owned an electrical car. My take: This makes sense if you only have bad electric cars with bad ranges and slow charging and few charging stations. In a world with 300+ mile ranges, superchargers etc this makes no sense. Until then it will just be wasted tax payers money and engineering hours going nowhere.
This would be perfect for vehicles that drive on roads but never stop in parking spaces. Like.... well, like just... roving... ah.. cars, you know, that never park. That's a thing, right?
Yeah they have those in some far off land I think they call it a "booce". Those weird Europeans with their "words".
Not many have heard about it I guess, but there's this thing in development, it's called "autonomous driving". So in short, the answer to your question is: it will be.
@@idomaghic they'll be just fine using charging stations and home charging. If people want to pay an automated fee to fund the outlay + twice the electricity cost after half of it doesn't make it to the car then props to them. As long as it's not the public coughing up for drivers yet again.
@UCtAqDhUnjOS5nB2WAwP-Ugg a little bit of downtime on a wageless, energy efficient vehicle is nothing in comparison to losing your energy efficiency and paying for an absurd amount of infrastructure. Even just the copper alone is monumental. It's been hard to even justify for rail operators on high volume routes (maglev has similar needs) with subsidies, and where most of the energy isn't going to waste. Suggesting this in the ground without duping highway administrations for wads of public money is either head in the clouds or vapourware.
@@Freshbott2 right, I'll continue this discussion when you've read up on the current state of dynamic wireless charging, because from your incorrect assumption of transmission inefficiency (where actual fact is that dynamic wireless induction charging can actually outperform plug charging, especially at high loads), it is clear that you simply don't know what the current reality is. Any further discussion would be a bit like arguing about the shortest route with a flat earther.
I'll say it again, Thomas Edison was a massive tool
No, we don't have wireless power transmission, because it simply doesn't work over a distance. The losses due to heat and the beam spreading out, mean that you can't do wireless power over more than a meter.
Sorry my negativity but the amount of emissions produced by the construction and the extraction of raw materials required to build this infrastructure is far way bigger than the benefit it is marketing. There are plenty of ideas out there to improve mobility the real breakthrough is how to make humanity compromise to the changes we need.
the startup may fail because of not enough material
I just love your videos and they keep me glued on UA-cam
4:24 The energy is via the air (not app).
Facepalmed so hard when I heard that
It is highly inefficient, especially at that scale. When a cellphone is wirelessly charged, the loss is acceptable as the charger's efficiency is approximately 70% for that size of a system.
When wireless car charging is implemented on roads, there will be at least 1 to 2 feet distance between the coil on the car to the ones in the road; the thing will probably be 30% efficient with a +/- tolerance of 4-5% due to uneven roads as well. Not really practical.
Our family’s Toyota Camry has a ground clearance of 0.5 feet. Most cars have a similar ground clearance so the efficiency would be way higher than 30%.
@@VMRDY in today world of SUVs the ground clearance is higher
@@mrguest3749 I’m pretty sure most people don’t need SUVs and the OP said “at least 1 ft” so I was responding to that.
That is not a bad idea for urban areas, I can definitely see it being a thing in city centers and roads going in and out of them to continuously charge commuter cars, buses, commercial vehicles and the like. As long as it is properly standardized of course.
For everywhere else though, this sounds much more complicated and costly than simply building more charge stations. Engineers around the world are working tirelessly on the development of batteries that don't rely on rare resources like lithium or cobalt and have a much smaller carbon footprint in manufacturing.
The technology developed at MIT is said to have no energy loss. What about putting receivers on the front or back of cars so property owners could put units on the walls of each parking stall in places like parking garages without having to jack hammer up the concrete floors and it might be easier for home units and other areas and faster and a lot less costly to install.
maintenance seems expensive, since most potholes take a while to get fixed im not sure these charging pads will get maintained as often as required
there's a HUGE question of earthquake , landslide , overturned heavy machineries that will sever & disrupt those buried coils that are supplying much needed energy .
Presented by Ford. This a way to offload the cost to governments.
Genius business concept. We want the government to pay for building it and then take the users money
That is a great alternative to swamping our resources. Excellent!
I didn't get the idea, In the early minute of the video, it said that charging battery is not truly sustainable. However at the end, they didn't provide any information regarding the efficacy and efficiency of the system compare to the charge model. In short, they only replace the way of charging the battery which doesn't any significant impact to battery consumption.
Indeed, it is true by using this tech, people can save time, but cannot save energy. By expanding the transmission, it means more cable and more loss in the transmission system. If we talk about time, why don't use battery swap instead? Lower capital investment. Here in Taiwan, battery swap already won the public and the case. Also simple payment method.
Where is the energy coming from to power the road?
This is the actual question to be raised
No. Electric trains and busses makes much more sense and is probably cheaper to build too
Yeah but people r so addicted to cars.
@@clashoflands that's true.
I expected this to be a repeat of the solar powered road surface that had programmable led markings to enable reconfiguring travel lanes, automatic heating to clear snow and ice, secure pathways for utilities and an indestructible surface that will last forever even with heavy truck traffic and available with Bose sound cancelling technology to eliminate all noise from the road. All for less than 1/3 the price of an asphalt installation.
Nope, this is a startup idea that really shouldn't have gotten past first thoughts of wirelessly charging through the road surface.
This is a much more practical idea than the solar "freaking" roadways scam.
Bloomberg Report - How the roads got hacked and stopped a whole city in it's tracks.
Hydrogen fuel cell provide mobility like IC Engine.
We should focus on how incorporate fuel cell.
There are so many challenges this introduces. You're talking around 20% efficiency at best for wireless charging at this distance.
Copper price will be through the roof even more than they already are
This is a brilliant idea, but there are a few shortcomings.
Firstly, the wireless transfer of electricity is too inefficient. They need to hang electric wires over the road and maybe extend a boom arm from the car to transfer electricity.
They should also run the car along a rail to maintain alignment with the overhead wires.
Single user cars will still be inefficient. Maybe they should make the cars bigger so that they can fit a couple hundred people.
Oh wait, that's a tram. Nevermind
Trucking industry would be the ideal place to implement it... They travel through long highways which can easily be converted into wireless charging
Google solar freakin roadways👌🤣😂
Im hoping one day we put roads and cars behind up. I hope we find better modes of transit.
Oh no, electric vehicles take power from coal and natural gas!? But can your gas guzzler fill its tank with wind power?
That’s the difference. EV’s *can* get their power from renewables. One problem at a time though, because doing it all at once would be too much for the boomers.
I love this new tech. It is an important addition.
How much the effeciency of this tech from the grid to battery of the vehicle?
Honestly, just google "wireless ev charging efficiency" and report your top findings here; I think it's safe to say the efficiency is not an issue.
This could be great tech to implement for Electric racing such as Formula E. That way they can figure out the tech on a small track and then the technology can trickle down especial as Formula E are raced on inner city streets where the tech could be left behind and used by everyone.
Is it worth to loose more than 40% energy while it is transferred and efficiency decreases further by increasing the distance between the two coils.....
Can't believe you didn't talk about the inefficiency & losses associated with wireless transfer while moving...
Could putting an alternator in the bus make it more efficient ?
Lol
It's best suitable for Automated warehouses like Amazon facility. Limited space etc
Totally. But then, why not make a dedicated charging spot there? What's cheaper - to make 10-20% more spare robots to charge them in cycles, or cover a huge portion of froor with not so effective transmitters?
I like the idea and I wish them luck!
This is the best solution if securing the cooperation of the local government and car manufacturers is possible.
parking lots would be the best implementation. roads would be so much complicated
You're not an inventor. You are thinking. You are rational. Your words make sense.
How about more public transport with direct electrical connection in order to remove wireless energy waste, like idk - trams, trolleybus, trains, metro!
Do you want an even better answer? Over head cables on highways like cable car. You will only need it on long routes so you can start with buses and trucks only first as the wired route is the most efficient and the ones requiring the most range are handled first while we think about cars later
Even better : solar panels
My humble opinion: PHEV Period.
I have owned plenty of Gas cars, Electric only cars, and hybrid cars. They all have issues. Gas always burns gas even stopped at a light, Hybrids always burn gas when moving, Electrics always have charging delays and range anxiety on a long day of errands.
PHEV is my favorite! You get the no anxiety drive, point A to B on EV only daily to work. Anytime you need to go farther the gas kicks in for unlimited rang. In large Metropolitan areas the smog would reduce. Plug in at home while you sleep and full again every morning.
Gas on the interstate, EV on surface streets. Diesel Semi truck between cities, Drop/Pickup zones on edges of cities, EV trucks in city limits to deliver and bring full trailers to the drop zones.
And how much copper will you use?
The comment about a big question about economics is an understatement and underlies everything from expected lifetime, any road construction requirements, maintenance and management systems, more.
In particular, I'm trying to imagine embedding in what kinds of roads, here in the USA we have a few roads like our interstate superhighways which are concrete and are resurfaced maybe every 8-15 years depending on use. Asphalt roads need to be resurfaced and repaired nearly annually. Resurfacing often involves adding new layers so might put the electromagnetic emitters and collectors deeper under ground over time unless you go through an additional process of removing layers and risk damaging the system.
The basics might be relatively well known but specifics and details could be concerning.
Creating battery changing stations seems like a much better idea than turning the entire road into a charger...
Why is there no mention of efficiency of the charging to the vehicle. Wireless charging is already inefficient for mobile devices etc. but those devices are usually touching so I feel like the inefficiency of their "solution" is magnified bc it's buried under asphalt as well as the distance between the undercarriage of the car and the road. I'm just curious if these are things their also working on and have potential solutions for.
New thunderf00t video upcoming?
The tracking feature could also help with self driving vehicles as well.
Oh no we gonna rock down to electric avenue.
And then we'll take it higher...
Interestingly they never mentioned power transmission efficiency loss and the huge negative environmental impact this extra required lost energy has.
Not if we transition to nuclear or renewable sources of energy
@@shanewalker3273 you will need double the nuclear plants or double the batteries for renewables. Environmentally this is not wise.
@@erisi Doubling nuclear plants is environmentally incredibly wise
@@shanewalker3273 if world needs 10 nuclear power plants to support all the electric cars in the future, if we use this type of roads then we will need 20 to handle the super inefficient power transmission. A world with nuclear power plants over the current renewable is debatable but probably is better. If we need 100 power plants in total in the future but because of this technology we will need 110 power plants, then this extra 10 power plants is not a wise thing to do.
Amazing idea, in the future there will be a massive amount of electric cars. So the demand on charging stations will be extremely high, this is the perfect solution.
This would be way too expensive to build like this.. but it could be implemented in car parks..
Or maybe just introduce hydrogen-derived carbon neutral bio/synthetic fuels? They are a thing you know.
Then we dont really need to massively upgrade the millions of roads at the cost of taxpayers. And we dont need to lithium mine so much due to the explosion of EV vehicles.
Once upon a time there was a kingdom in the Egyptian desert... The citizens used to walk barefoot on hot road surfaces in the afternoon sunshine and have scars on their feet. The king had an idea - to cover all the road surfaces with leather. Then one of his wise men said to the king - why don't we cover the feet with leather rather than covering the roads, and the concept of shoes was born.
It's great to see wireless charging roads helping us in cutting down the need for electric batteries but how efficient are these systems and with current technologies does the cutting of vehicular emission due to extensive production and installation of these coils justify the pollution which might be produced in the process of producing these?
50%
It might be better if it reduces the need to mine lithium and cobalt.
spoiler: pathetic
Great. Yet another monthly subscription
What happened to the Israeli '5 min full charge for mobile phones'?! They always have nice videos that totally exaggerate technology.
Electric roads LOL the future should be maybe more electric stuff but not roads that cost upwards of 100 billion dollars for those "lets solve the climate change" people while people still are dying of hunger in the USA including families in great numbers which can't put food on the table..
People are talking and criticizing them for not considering the energy loss but remember this technology is *still* in development. They’re working on it
What is the efficiency for wireless charging in this scenario? As it is about 60% Efficient in comparable applications at best.
It's over 90% efficient. I worked in this field for several years. There's a lot of nonsense being said in these comments. I haven't heard of this specific company though.
The tech works great, the business case just isn't there yet. That may change with increasing electric vehicle adoption.
I like the idea of having a booster lane or a lane that allows a EV to charge wirelessly.
I feel sorry for the investors.
The Field Engineer cant even make a clear distinction between kW and kWh. NTM the Capex and Opex of this project is gigantically large, even developed countries will have a hard time implementing this.