THE CIRCUS CONTINUES... BUT WHO COMES IN NEXT?
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This week Chelsea fans were SHOCKED to hear the news that Mauricio Pochettino has LEFT the club with immediate effect.
This morning Myself and Josh Aveste reacted to the news and discussed the shortlist of potential incoming managers.
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JOSH’S AMERICAN ACCENT OH MY LORD BRUH LMAOOOO
Josh’s American accent actually was really good 🔥
This Eghbali man looks like a Villain out of a science fiction movie.
Am sure he fired Poch
I believe Poch earned the right to keep his job going into next season. However the real problem here is the names on this supposed uninspiring shortlist to take the reigns going forward. No disrespect intended towards these managers/coaches. This Chelsea is far removed from the Chelsea I grew up with yet we have to be aiming for a more established manager with top level experience
I think Poch sold a bill of goods to the directors and owners about his ability to coach a possession based side that utilized the profile of players they have purchased.
It is so clear to see that he tried early, but clearly had no ideas how to execute that. He was trying to mimic Pep with moves like Colwill at LB, but had no understanding how to make that work.
So Poch then decided to go back to what he knows, Bielsa style football. That is not the game the owners have decided to put the money towards. I agree that 6th with the youth and injuries was a good result if we are being honest.
But if Poch came to the table after the season and said, “I want to play my style and players like Enzo aren’t who I want to work around going fwd.” then he is going to get replaced. The owners have clearly invested in a specific vision and direction: techy, good in tight spaces, etc.. with the idea they will posses the ball and control games. Poch clearly stated that is not how he operates. If the team finished 10th, he’s begging to stay. But given they had a strong finish, he knew there would be other opportunities. So make your demands and if they give in, great, if not - we will part ways.
Fair take.
Fair play. Don’t know what people’s obsession with Spanish style football is. It’s ultimately very boring for fans unless you have very good players like De Bruyne, Iniesta etc that take advantage of gaps
The owners want to have full control over incomings and outgoings and for the manager to shut up and make it work...there is a disparity here between intent and common sense. You are going to need a god tier manager in charge to replicate the success you have had.
It comes down to the fact that we sell Gallagher and Poch can see the owners are clueless arrogant yanks
Spot on mate
2 things are certain in life. Chelsea new owners being stupid and these 2 having awesome chemistry
"Has Mudryk got better?" 😂
Ukraine bolt yeh ? ;)
Mudryk scored 7 goals and some where match winners in cups
Our high possession was only happening because we often times passed around laterally especially at the back with no aim to progress the ball hence opposition teams felt no threat and allowed us to waste our energy.
Often we conceded goals while passing around aimlessly and being pressed.
Up front the only 'tactic' employed was to press high(hence why he loved a workhorse like Gallagher) and recover the ball and in his own words 'let the players express in the way they want to play' meaning allow the forwards the freedom to be creative and come up with ideas because he thought them nothing.
I think the most likely ones and realistic that we r gonna get are :
1) Kieran McKenna -> I think don’t rule him out, if he comes we give him a chance, bumping Ipswich two divisions is a respectable achievement. Omari Hutchinson comes back from loan and he sed the player he wanted sign was Hutchinson so this might be an incentive.
2) Enzo Maresca -> one of pep’s right hand men, and he has that inverted full back tactic which would work well with Chelsea.
3)De zerbi: he’s gonna get a good squad with Chelsea and he’s worked with mudryk, levi , and caicedo so he can bring the best out from them.
In my opinion, one I see us getting is enzo.
Enzo is cack...Wilder also brought Sheffield Utd up two divisions as well and look at him now. as a non chelsea fan out of the three Id be happy if you got any of these three...they are all massive gambles. Better off keeping Poch in that situation
All people who worked with Pep are doing well so it's a good call i think.
Let's have a guy who speaks English. I no longer need to listen to potch talking gibberish.
Whoever is brought in we have to give them a fair shake and back them
@@petes283nope Burnley won championship and couldn't stay even when big head company worked with guardiola
As soon as Josh said "Heyy man"🤠
I knew he was gonna kill the accent😂💯
Hour long Joey knight pod 🤩
Love it!
Josh as an American, accent is spot on
Poch done a remarkable job for a team that has had 8-14 players out injured every week and with one of the youngest teams in Europe. The owners should have at the very least let him see his contract out with the players he had at his disposal. He stabilised the dressing room now it’s all on its head once again.
41:14 Josh does not even wanted to joke about Ten Hag, thats says it all 🤣
It's been reported elsewhere that Poch had dinner with Boehly on Fri., then Boehly flew home. Then Poch met with Egbhali , Winstanley and Stewart on Mon.
I would have kept Poch if possible to maintain some stability and continuity for once but we shouldn't like he worked miracles. You could argue that all the manager options that we are linked are tactically superior to Poch and they all have good reputations for having strong player relationships. The only thing Poch has is his name and CV, but you don't need those to be successful. Xabi Alonso, Guardiola and Hansi Flick all achieved historic feats in their first 2 seasons of management. If you have a talented squad (which Chelsea do) and a manager that can get his tactical ideas across clearly and get buy-in from the players, you can be a competitive team
The moment this video dropped I heard on sky sports news Chelsea are in contact with an unknown high profile name
is he,frankfurt manager?
Unknown high profile. I can't recall the guys name who said it. However I saw we are interested in Terzic from Dortmund from a separate source. Could be mere speculation
The second source wasn't sky sports news to clarify
@@chrismcelligott-od5wcdortmund manager is not unknown famous manager,,sorry for my bad english,,i'm indonesian ..
Ted Lasso?
Please do more American accents it's a blast to hear our accents from across the pond.
Bruuuhhhh josh’s American accent is priceless 😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Josh is that kid who's kindness wasn't recognized in high school and was considered a nerd, now is just seen for the down to earth nice guy he is. Big up Josh.
this is slightly backhanded
Ten Hag never actually worked under Pep he was the under 23s coach at Bayern when Pep was there
Josh from an American boy from Sacramento CA… that was as good as any valley boy accent I’ve heard. Joey you’re 100 percent right about where we are at the moment. People are judging this Chelsea team as if we have player like Drogba Terry and Lampard but we aren’t their yet. The money we spent, we spent on potential and that doesn’t show right away. I think the owners are looking stupid right now but we got what we needed out of Poch, which was to develop these players, we 100 percent should have kept him but let’s see maybe we get a guy that will take us to the next level. Aka like when Steve Kerr took over for Mark Jackson and won the NBA title his first year with the Golden state warriors. Just trying to think as positive as possible.
truly a circus 🤦🏿 hope we come out of this clean
There is a big difference between a player getting better and performing better. Mainly in the way they are used. An easy example would be Colwill. Did he get better since the start of the season or did he just stop playing LB? I think most of the performance increase we saw was simply because Poch started getting a bit of a clue.
I wanted Poch for another season just for stability for the players, and that's it. I think he sucks as a manager outside of the players liking him. I don't think his tactics are good, he's slow to change, and most of all, he has a loser mentality. Too many games he just decided we're gonna park the bus and try to ride this out...and it backfired. That's not how the top teams play. They score another goal and close the game out. That's why I think we've heard things about them wanting the next manager having the mentality to go head-to-head with Pep and Arteta.
Exactly 💯
Poch till end had no clue. He was lucky we had coach palmer and massive injuries that forced him change pattern. If not, we still be playing 9 defensive players per match
Funny u say that… ten hag wanted to go head to head and even said his famous line… “ eras come to an end “ but it got leaked he’s gettin sacked after fa cup final so ten hags “era” finished at the same time as klopps and before peps😂😂… words r just words and I liked the fact poch didn’t hype himself up and was realistic and humble… our team is pretty shit and we have to come to terms with that… ppl think that mudryk is some type of insane winger but rlly he is most likely gonna be an Ukrainian Daniel James… Jacksons poor szn is masked by stats but if u watched every game u would see he ghosts quite frequently and he lacks in technical ability… some of our defenders r completely clueless and it seems as tho enzo may not be made for the prem as he plays a lot slower… we can give benefit of doubt as he’s got an injury but realistically I wanted to see a lot more from a player we bought for 100m
Poch also said once that up front they are just passing it to Palmer to solve things...like wtf!!!
Mudryk has the ability to find insane progressive passes,he is direct and has pace but still rushes and takes poor shots or makes badly timed decisions on when to dribble and often makes runs nobody is able to read because they don't train tactics hence players did whatever.
How many goals have we conceded at the back post like the one Bruno Fernandes scored against us at the Bridge...tons of those never addressed!
Sorry, disagree with most of what said. Poch did a correction not a fix at the club. He would have been found out next year. But am seriously worried at four man shortlist.
The saddest part is that the valid points you raised about why poch should be out are not the reasons why they would've sacked him. If those reasons were true to them, then he should have been gone after the arsenal game. The owners have no clue and regardless of the manager they appoint (even if it was Jose with JT), our apprehension will remain. We will stick true though, up the chels.
Clearlake should just get Ted Lasso as Manager for next season 😅
Success is relative and we need to be realistic about where we are and where we want to be.
It’s all well and good saying that we are chelsea so we should be challenging for top spot, but reality doesn’t give a crap about what you think we should be doing.
We’ve jumped 6 spaces. That’s good movement.
We need realistic goals. Next season our aim should be cup finals again and top 4, 5 acceptable but disgruntled.
As an American Josh’s accent is on point lmaoo
Josh’s Todd impression has me rolling
I think what hurts with poch is the fact he starting hitting good form towards the end, Would’ve been great going into next season with that momentum. On the other hand I’d rather have a pre season with a new manager than do it half way through
Good point! Flick him off now and let’s get someone that can continue the momentum. The new manager should try and keep the same style to start the season; inverting cucurella and seeing what the players can do… And change it slowly if it isn’t working! But Poch isn’t the guy long term
Beginning to warm to the idea of McKenna. He seems very tactically astute and could be just what we need!
Mostly likely - McKenna
My pick of realistic names being touted - Amorim
In an ideal world where we have half-decent owners and some more experienced world-beaters in our squad - either Zizou, Tuchel, or Mourinho (love that shout of Mourinho, JT and Ashley Cole, by the way)
Poch quit after being called to the headmaster's office after the onfield tantrums and the loss to city. He then took control of the young lads and changed his whole demeanor as he knew he was leaving. The players started to respect him and played their arses off the last five games. It was his performance as much as trade involvement. But still got the underlying Moneyball issue as Josh said in his video
Ipswich fan here. McKenna has been brilliant for us. Nearly 200 points and 200 goals in 2 seasons. Only lost 10 games in the last 2 League deasons in the leagues. 16th highest wage bill in the champions and still finished 2nd . It wouldn be a jump for him but i truly think he could do a brilliant job for you. Hope he stays st Ipswich though
With the focus on computer modelling, what if the team selection over the past few games were based on computer models, and they are looking for coaches comfortable with that, hence Poch's tone over the past few games.
You boys are class, keep it up
35:00 that acting's way too good Joey😂😂
Unknown Candidate: Xavi Hernandez?
Hear me out, I know we have a bad past with Barca, but the clues are just adding up now.
Firstly, I think we are being too reactive as a fanbase just because we liked the football that was being played just before Poch left.
Noticed I said “left” and not “sacked”. This is because, it was a mutual agreement, meaning Poch equally felt that he should have left. He’s already eyeing up the United job.
While it seems concerning from our viewpoint, I genuinely don’t think the owners (Boehly specifically, but that’s another conversation), have the worst interest for our club. Again, HEAR me out.
It has been said that they want someone who can merely ‘take their suggestions’, rather than taking full control, but apparently, Poch was described as “cold”.
It seems upsetting from our viewpoint, but we need to realise that Poch never had a proper bond with our club, just the players. He came from Tottenham so he already has the feeling of not belonging, but just here to do a job, as he addressed numerous times in pressers.
While it is showing a lack of stability, we have to rememeber that Poch equally wanted to leave. We need to move on and accept it for what it is. If you don’t move on in life, how can you make room for improvements? Poch IS NOT a winner.
I say that to say that, Chelsea have reportedly made links with a high profile manager, and this makes sense for it to be Xavi as he will be getting the sack next Monday, and the club is announcing Poch’s replacement on the following Friday.
Xavi Hernandez is a good manager, winning La Liga with his Barca team, in a league with Real Madrid, Atletico etc. Xavi also likes working with young players and we can see that he has made Lamine Yamal , a promising young star imagine what he can do with Cole Palmer, Enzo and Gusto etc.
He revived Dembele’s career but Poch ruined Neymar’s with worsening his injuries. If Xavi brings his medical staff, we could see an end to our injury curse. For those against this because Xavi is from Barca, you were quick to defend a SPURS MANAGER when he’s going out the door. Xavi may even apologise as he’s more outspoken than Poch.
We can’t get too attached to Poch as he’s just the guy before the guy. I believe the guy is Xavi. A footballing winner. The board wishes to sign the next manager for a longer contract than Poch’s 2 years, so imagine the league when Klopp has gone, Pep gone next year etc. Chelsea will be back on top and the league will have proper title races.
Even if those teams still had those managers, Chelsea would still be amongst them if Xavi was our manager…
Ngl Josh your American accent was good💀
I really hope they don't run this club down ,we have a legacy already .
Josh watched the FourFourTwo video, should give credit because its a good channel and a great video!
Realistic- McKenna
Who I want - Amorim
Best Chelsea UA-cam channel 😂
Premier league manager out, Championship manager in.
Chelsea : Progression!!?? 🤔
I honestly was so frustrated with Poch mid season. But he recovered and the team got much better by the end. Such a positive finish and we were all getting excited for next chapter..and then this. He definitely deserved to take this team further next season.
6-8th was my prediction beginning of the season, and he got us 6th(almost 5th!)
10:09 Loooool love the honesty bro. Its so true!
judging by the news of us (man u) supposedly contacting/interviewing Ipswich about mckenna, if the de zerbi rumours about him already having a job are true, the Chelsea job looks the most probable for him.
I'd personally like to see ten hag for another season but if he does get sacked, its really gonna annoy me that we missed out on de zerbi
Ill be honest as im not sure where he ended up, but i'd kill for some Nagelsman rumors right about now.... lol I love listening to the podcast with all the sarcasm/ seriousness. Keep it up! Also, Josh is wild for that Enzo haircut take. haha
Reportedly, Boehly met with him for dinner on Friday night and then went back to US. Poch then met with Ehgbali on his own on Sunday (or Monday)? And then met with him and the two sporting directors the next day after everyone had a chance to sleep on it, and they parted ways.
Jody Morris did wonders with the kids at chelsea and Sean Dyche, I'd take, won the most points per money spent in the recent premier league out of any manager
cannot agree that any player has improved under Poch. Caidedo is now showing the form he showed at Brighton, as is Cucarella. So can't attribute any improvement to Poch there... Badiashile has got worse than he was under Potter if anything. Gusto has been good but lets be honest, who watched him last season?
In fact for most of the players you guys mentioned, it's just that their performances have improved in the second half of the season - not that they have improved as overall players.
When it comes to Chels content, you boys are top shit, keep it up lads! ❤
De zerbi isnt a bad shout, you saw the things he did with mudryk in the cl against madrid. And he was the manager that made caicedo good enugh to chelsea was willing to buy him for 115 mil. On top of that he also wanted cole palmer at brighton before chelsea wanted him, he's a manager that also have a good relationship with lewi colwill. So he has a good resume working with young players, so he could easily go and do a suprising good job with ours young and big potential squad. Would much much more have de zerbi than Poch.
poch leaving seems like the cycle starts again for another season of turmoil :(
Love watching these guys. As a spurs fan it's very surprising i enjoy it as much as I do but these guys are very insightful
Dempsey is a great guy he came on vacation at the resort I worked at and was super nice. Big up Americans
"we move with the times"... Thank you, Joey! It's about being realistic. Anyway, hopefully the players can carry on the momentum we had towards the end of the season... COYB 💙
Who I want: Probably a Hansi Flick???
Who i see coming: McKenna tbh, or maybe De Zerbi by some chance
Wildcard: Enzo Maresca
The only players I'd say Poch has actually improved are Gallagher and Cole Palmer. Cucurella was shocking until the last seven games, and Enzo's gone downhill under Poch. He couldn’t get a tune out of Mudryk, and while there's been a bit of progress with Madueke, it's not enough. The squad as a whole hasn’t really improved.
Personally I think Poch's style of play was not really suited to the players we have, some yes, but not all. Enzo being one example. I'm not really sure he knew what to do with Colwell and Lavia we'll never know. I truly believe if we'd stuck with Poch next season, then it would of been as inconsistent as the last one. Maybe finding a coach who suits our players could actually be smart. Because let's face it, none of the players weve recently bought are going anywhere for at least 6 years! And ffp won't allow us change our plans as we've committed too much into it.
The American accent 😂😂
You are saying he jumped six positions like....he isnt at least partially responsible for having you 12th in the first place.
Exactly. What was everyone’s stance on Christmas after the loss to Wolves? How about 5-0 to Arsenal??
We can pull out receipts because NOBODY wanted Poch after those games. Sure, he got the team firing in the end but he had ALL season to do so. This flip flopping from the fans is disappointing.
@@iannnCFCWhy didn't they sack him then? Why now? Even that Arsenal loss was 1 in 15 games. The moment was shifting but most of the fans minds were already made up. Hey he's gone now most probably join United and it would be hilarious if they finish above us next season. I just hope they make a better appointment and the way things are going I doubt they would.
@@iannnCFC I agree...Its surprising that he's gone without being shocking if that makes sense. Chelsea did end well but were on the receiving end of some real pastings this year.
agree with you but who is now our better choice, thats the key problem
@@wallacegachanja9219 Because it was always the plan to review his job once the season was done. This was made known by the press after every time #PochOut was trending 💀
Hell 0:21 yeee quick one before a long shift 😌
Smashed the like just cause you sing back 4 good😂😍
You guys keep talking about Bohely and Eghbali as being clueless Yanks who know nothing about football and making decisions that make no sense. What you fail to mention is that they have literally employed two Brits, Winstanley and Stewart as directors of football, who have both been directors and scouts at multiple English and European clubs for decades before they arrived at Chelsea and who have a ton of experience in football. They are the ones advising the owners to make the decisions they are making based on analytics and a chosen method and philosophy. The same methods and philosophies that they had employed at clubs such as Monaco, RB Leipzig, Brighton, etc. I'm not saying the decision to sack Poch was correct, because I don't think it was. I was definitely Poch in. But this stupid narrative of clueless Yanks making braindead decision about football is ridiculous. Moreover, based on many accounts, Bohely was also Poch in. He had taken Poch out to dinner before our last match and did not want to see him get sacked. It was Eghbali and the two ENGLISH directors that were advising Eghbali, that decided on getting rid of Poch because Poch couldn't work withing the confines of the methods and philosophy that the two ENGLISH directors of football have brought to Chelsea.
Honestly i think amorin would be perfect for everything the owners and the players want.
Josh dying at the accent man, coming from an american. On the convo, the more I think about it the more sense it’s making. His style, reckless and crazy physical using players the club needs to sell. Maybe he was holding tight and just didn’t want to bend. Greater managers have come and gone.
Sterling started the season well. But feel off a cliff the 2nd half
They won't ever find a "yes man" Joey because even if let's say, Kieran McKenna comes in and finishes a season with us. He will at some point demand a few things from the board, that's just the nature of a manager.
Where did they get this narrative from that poch left because they wouldn't keep Gallagher and Chalobah?
Cause they seem so sure of it, but I haven't actually seen anybody else report that.
I wanted Poch one more season, but giving him more power would’ve been silly too considering he doesn’t fit the squad…
Either way, this next move is the final straw, whoever they appoint HAS to be given time so let’s hope it’s the right fit tactically and characteristically🤷♂️
Josh, killer fucking American accent lmao
Thomas Frank might be uninspiring, but he'd be a safe pair of hands, and I think that's what we need at the moment.
Jose is coming back
Blessing in disguise. But I am eternally positive about chelsea and in the last two season have usually been wrong 😕
“Bring Kaka back from retirement” I’m dead 😂
How are we not sure that poch didn’t wanted to stay either ? Did we all forgot that literally in one of the press conferences he was talking about how he was maybe not happy and maybe he didn’t wanted to stay ?
6:25- 6:31 Amen.
I LIKE THE WAY YOU GUYS JUST FORGET ABOUT THE FOOTBALL AND AND MAKE YOURSELVES HAPPY
James only started 14 games in 22/23 never been injured before 😅
I am really done with this board and the fact that as a Chelsea fan I can do nothing about it. First, sacking tuchel and now sacking poch and even more selling Gallagher. I am really run out of energy to do anything for my club
Basically the directors and owners wanted Poch to build a team with the players they had. (The project)
Poch built the team, and the directors want to dismantle the team by selling the players within the team.
So how can you build a team; create an identity, environment or atmosphere when the structure you’re building is constantly being compromised by changes.
There lies the problem.
I am not a big fan of Poch, never was. Didn’t want him from the start.
But he was fighting against a tide, that was never going to go in his favour.
Ranieri is currently the manager of Cagliari in Series A. He brought them up from serie b last season and has kept them up this season. He got some massive results including draws with inter, juve and Napoli, while beating Atalanta.
Well not anymore as he is retiring
@@RasenRendanX Oh sad, didn't know he was retiring.
I’m putting all my support behind McKenna plus we need to buy Edison and Sesko plus a shit hot left back….top 3 beckons
No ones talking about RUBEN AMORIM... so underrated
No never
This young manager approach is just like what can I even say young players is already enough but a young manager
Boys love the content..
I have sat on tue fence regarding poch all season .. really don’t see this as a surprise at all.. if Clearlake wanted him as the main man he would have got a potter contract.. so just a fill in with some reasonable / good work with the youngsters.. personally none of the championship managers are floating my boat and frank can stay at the bees .. I would hope that Amorim gets the job.. up the chels…
Jackson posted like 4/5 different things for Poch on his story and his page
Would like de zerbi as best of a bad bunch but it’s going to be McKenna isn’t it
I’ll take finishing sixth and Europa league. Considering our form these last few years and with the ownership changes fucking everything up I see it as a decent season
He was on 200k a week.. his pay off for 1 year remianing would have been 10.4m then you add his staffs wages..
I bet if England do poorly in the Euros they will sack Southgate and appoint Potter
I want Enzo for the City link 🙏 Apparently the mystery man is Amorim but because he has a cup final on Sunday its being kept under wraps, don't want a 3 at the back system again really but let's see
You know apparently reports came out claiming that Amorim flew on a private jet to London see 'West Ham' and this was all covered financially by our owners lol.
We know he was in London to hold talks with Chelsea not West Ham and probably it's all kept secret because of his cup final in Portugal.
That's why Fabrizio is sure that Chelsea will announce the new manager in days not weeks...it's already set up.
I think we need Josh Aveste as head coach and Joey as assistant
Love hearing American accents its so funny to see english folks doing american accents, keep it up fellas
How would yall feel if we ended up having Xavi or Pioli as our next manager?
Hi Joey & Josh I have no affiliation to this channel I am about to suggest but I feel you'll both will find it fascinating and enlightening. It's called 4-4-2 & shows you some very interesting stats of how Chelsea play without Enzo & Gallagher in Enzo position & vice versa. You will be very surprised. Plus a deep dive into playing out from the back & how successful it was & also are pressing game and how effective it really is. Josh you will love it.