I've had the Neptune 4 Pro since it's release. Literally the ONLY downside is no wifi but aside from that, this thing runs circles around my old Ender 3 Pro. 6 hour prints now an hour and a half or faster. Extruder is many times better, the print cooling is phenomenal for getting individual layers cooled enough to not sag on very fine or thin vertical areas. The speed is absolutely fantastic. The built-in bed leveling has 100-location resolution with 0.01 resolution and the ability to generate a mesh map of the bed through the klipper interface to see any small high or low spots. Which makes getting as close to optically level as possible so much easier. No ABL needed whatsoever. For a starter printer, I cannot recommend this thing enough.
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This printer checks a lot of the boxes on the list for a beginners printer plus it has a nozzle able to reach 300 Celsius degrees that's a plus. Btw loved the music at the end and as always I enjoy your reviews.
@@andrewray822 Hi there, I am currently torn between the ender 3 v3 Ke, the sovol sv07 and the Neptune 4/ 4 pro What has your experience been so far and what should I watch out for
@@chillSpoofy it has been fine for me. Once the print got loose and the nozzle made this huge blob of plastic around the print head, but I was able to carefully heat and remove it. Always watch first layers, that it is adhering well and doesn't need to have the calibration done again
This was such a solid recommendation. I watched this video a year ago, got a Neptune 4 non pro and it has just kicked butt all year. For the asking price? Incredible value. Thanks man
The manufacturer seems to have chosen the marketing path for this model. Adjusting the table is good. A disposable heavy extruder is bad. Namely, the manufacturer made it disposable in pursuit of relief (unsuccessful, but more on that in the end). Gears are now original and unassembled, and it is impossible to buy them even in the official store)) The quality of the gears is not very good and, of course, they are NOT hot (like steel, not magnetic, it looks like stainless steel), so do not try to print composites. At the same time, the plate of the table carriage remained steel (aluminum would be 20 grams lighter and not worse). The nozzle heater is now also rare, in size 16*15*20 mm. So I still have to look for replacement socks. And the native sock crumbles after two weeks of work at 255 degrees. The LED on the extruder is cool, but I feel it will die because of working in extreme thermal mode. For the same reason, the inductive sensor of the auto-level of the table will also die. On Neptune 3, the same one died after several heats of the table to 85 degrees (the printer is in a passive thermal chamber). If you plan to print petg and abs, then buy a pair of spare NPN NC type. Do not try to find the original ones, they, like the gears, are also not in this store or in others)))) The nozzle radiator fan is now 3010 (instead of 4015), works at much higher speeds and will die sooner. Fortunately, if you file everything superfluous in the extruder, you can find a place for the cooler 4015. Super blowing is not needed, because there is no question about the quality of printing at the stated speeds, so we have 4 unnecessary 4020 snails. And I also decided to weigh the extruder assembly ... (in the advertising picture, the seller boasts of the extruder's weight of 291 grams, which is like a hundred grams less than Neptune3). And so. The extruder assembly actually weighs (!) 472 grams! In general, there will be no long-term high-quality work at the maximum declared temperature characteristics, there is also no need to wait for speeds, and it is better to buy Neptune3, which is much cheaper and more maintainable. The practical printing turned out to be somewhat better than I expected. The quality begins to be noticeably lost at speeds as much as 100 mm / s, which is very decent, despite all the jambs. The list of which I will probably continue. The z-axis guides moving along the screw axes have a backlash of 2 millimeters. It must be eliminated, while avoiding the rigid attachment of these guides. The system loads from 30 seconds to 3 minutes. The screen freezes very often when the buttons are pressed (usually for a couple of seconds, but sometimes up to 10 seconds). Occasionally, after pressing the buttons, the required action does not occur. It is impossible to press several different buttons in quick succession. There is no menu for setting jerks and accelerations, and what the manufacturer has screwed up by default, it's scary to think, given what he "calculated and projected" print speeds. We'll have to manage this from the slicer. An adjustable table is probably a good thing. but. 1. Two-stage calibration of the table at 121 points is too long, namely 10 minutes from start to restart to save the parameters (without a final reboot, the table map is not saved). About half a minute of this time is spent by the printer on unnecessary trips from the zero position to the same zero position. By the way, before printing, the printer also goes home twice for some reason. 2. the alignment interface is made completely incomprehensible. Visualized is not a logically obvious square of 11 × 11 points, but an incomprehensible rectangle of 6 × 11 points. the zero count on the z axis does not come from any particular angle and/or level, but floats all the time according to an incomprehensible algorithm and it takes a crazy amount of time to truly align the table! The first time it took me 5 hours of almost continuous attempts, the second time a few days later I managed in 3 hours. This is a procedure that should take 15 minutes! moreover, I understood the process of achieving the result very vaguely and, even having achieved success, I cannot explain it (which means I cannot repeat it quickly). It was only possible to understand that you need to turn in the corners where the value is minus counterclockwise, and where the value is positive - clockwise, but only in one corner and a little bit. By the way, the Z-offset is reset when calibrating the table and needs to be reconfigured too. 3. The heating of the table and the extruder has really become more efficient. However: If you change the calibration temperatures of the nozzle and table through the standard settings, then instead of calibration, the printer hangs tightly after heating. The settings of the preparatory temperatures of the table and the nozzle for the accelerated start of printing do not work here at all, since if you turn on the preheating of the table and the nozzle, then before printing the printer to turn on the heating of the table to the operating temperature... Attention!.. It will wait for the nozzle to cool down to 120 degrees)))) In general, compared to neptune3 pro, very ambivalent impressions. However, the disappointment from the shortcomings is gradually compensated by the fact that in fact the neptune 4 is about 1.5 times faster than the neptune 3 pro with the same print quality.
Thanks, I appreciate the detail in this review. I would like to see close up shots of what the prints look like though, so I can see what the quality is like.
As you said It works great right out the box, I have a neptune 2 and I can say it only took 15 minutes to set up and produced great quality right out the box.
The bed leveling is a little annoying, and getting it on the LAN is a little annoying. Fix those 2 things and this would be an even better printer. But still, overall it's a great package. Anyone upgrading from an Ender 3 would be very impressed with what they were able to do for the price.
@@NathanBuildsRobots I completely agree, great printer at a great price and with those upgrades you mentioned it might just be the best printer in its price range.
Wait... Are you telling us that _a 3D printer company that released a printer that doesn't include or exclude a feature that equals to shoot themselves in the foot_ exists? 😮
Yes you should buy the pro 4 Make sure all bolts tight Bed level 2 ways and pei sheet clean with hot water and liquid soap , most importantly is do z axis properly . Took me 1 hour to assemble. 😎🥰
Big question I guess is really whether the all metal rails on the Pro model are worth it. I have seen conflicting reports about them, with more wear and the need to lubricate on the metal rails, whereas the POM wheels are... well, just their usual POM-ness. I do like the 100 + 150 Watt heated bed feature on the Pro, though, but not sure it's worth the extra $$.
In my experience with other printers that use that type of rail system, they are very low maintenance, but VFAs are more apparent, which add a strange bumps and wood-grain-like texture to your printed surfaces. They are not using traditional linear rails or linear rods where the balls from the bearings are touching the exposed metal guide, they are shielded cartridge bearings with a metal wheel with a u-channel on the outer bearing surface that rides on a metal railing. Look at the Tronxy Crux to see an example, I did a video on the artifacts and issues I had with that type of rail system.
@@NathanBuildsRobots Thank you for the information and reference. I feel it's an aspect that many review sites/channels skip over, even though it's rather important as you noted. It's definitely more than just 'metal good, POM bad'. Having experience with linear rails in MSLA printers and robotics I can attest to those being pretty darn smooth and hard to beat. What the Neptune 4 Pro uses feels like the budget DIY version of it, but maybe it is good enough?
@@MayaPoschthe v400 and kobra 2 also uses it and gets good results. My experience with vfas is that it comes down to the steppers and speed. Ldo steppers for example are pretty bad besides their high price point. Creality and flsun steppers for example produce very little or no vfas. There are also some critical speeds, 50mm/s is a typical speed for very high amounts of vfa
@@jeremiahk364 50mm/s or better 1,25 revolutions per second on a stepper seems to cause some internal resonance, at least thats the only reason i can think of why 40mm and 60mm produce less artifacts than 50mm/s.
I got my mom an Ender 3 v3 SE last month. Compared to my old Anet A8, well, it is super. But now seeing your video reviews, just ordered myself a Neptune 4. For a long time I've wanted to not be running around with SD cards, for starters. Lack of WiFi is no problem for me, I have ethernet to the relevent place the printer will be. Thanks for your review!
@@ericroman9126 so the Ender hasn't been used since then, as I've not been to my mom's (different country)- my daughter had been playing with Blender, so I thought I could send her STL files to print sometimes, but hasn't panned out. Was good for printing custom parts to fix her fridge, and I'm sure when I'm there next I'll use it more. The Neptune 4 is great. You do have to go thru calibration, which is on the display, several times since I've repeated, but may have honestly been too low bed temps. Key thing is to watch that first layers particularly go down good. If the print detaches and sort of "rides" along with the print head, instead of spaghetti which my Anet made a lot of, you'll get the glob of doom. Happened to me once- lots of patience needed to remove plastic and disassemble the print head without damaging anything - soldering iron with tip you don't care about to cut thru plastic, and then I have a convection oven, and I heated it to a temperature where the PLA was soft and removable. But other than that, prints fast, works with Cura (BTW, look for Cura plugin for the network printing, and also one that automatically generates temperature test towers), and network printing is a big factor for me.
One question, im planning to get a 3d printer, im new to this, but my idea would be to start printing rc parts to build some RC, rc parts and acessories to then assemble all together to put the build together buying the rest of the components of course. What 3d printer would you recommend in October 2023 to print this parts with good performance / quality?
My Neptune 4 has been great...for the first two weeks. Then it started failing prints, and now the extruder motor has burned out and, judging by the error codes, it's burned out the driver on the mainboard. Zero response from Elegoo support. Perfect feature set, unbelievable speed, insane price...and dead. Looks like I'm getting a P1S...
@@NathanBuildsRobots - I'd love to, but a) can't get a response from Elegoo, and b) shipping back to China is going to be more than the printer's worth to me! The perils of early-adopting cheap gear, I guess.
Great shill review haha! In all honesty though, what are the main differences in print quality between this and a bamboo lab p1p? If all I care about is print quality what am I missing out on from a bamboo lab p1p besides the complementry collecting of all my print data?
I have a Mingda and a Neptune 3, the Neptune is a better build, and my Mingda has overheated. I print TPU exclusively, does a faster unit make any sense?
Good review! I have a question: I'm looking to buy my first 3d printer and I wonder if the Neptune 3 Pro is still worth buying it nowadays (Nov'23)? the Neptune 4 look great but is out of stock over here. Thanks!
how easy/fun/ tinkery/ would it be to change it to a 330x330 bed? ... or wait a year/6 months for the neptune 4 pro max? sorry i bought it before i saw your video.... now im just waiting...
Thanks for the Klipper segment near the end. Even before that, my comment was going to be that Elegoo provides full Klipper/Fluidd on their $260 machine and Creality gives us proprietary Klipper crippleware on their $800 K1 Max. You didn't show input shaping calibration. Is there an accelerometer on the extruder or did Elegoo, instrument a factory unit to generate a generic input shaper profile to use for all machines regardless of whether the customer places the printer on a rickety folding table or an 8" thick granite surface plate? #UsefulShilling
What Creality did with their Klipper implementation is beyond stupid. I think they wanted to build their own platform, and have an app so you could download and slice models more easily, and manage multiple machines like in a printfarm using a single point of control over Creality Print. It somewhat succeeds in those goals, but the overall performance is super compromised compared to normal Klipper. Given that most of their customers are only buying 1-2 printers, the whole idea of having a fleet management interface is just kind of silly and un-useful. The app could have been a great idea, but so far they are fumbling with it. I don't think the neptune 4 it came with an accelerometer - but maybe it did? This is becoming more of a common practice - a generic profile can help bump speeds up a little. If you want a more accurate model that holds up at higher accelerations, that's when you really need a built-in accelerometer. And there are some methods of manual input shaping that work pretty well (print test pattern and select best looking setting).
@@NathanBuildsRobots - Creality's crippled Klipper is probably good intentions leading to bad outcomes. There's often a huge gap between the idea and its commercial realization. An app to download and slice models as well as managing multiple 3D printers sounds like a decent idea until the app becomes Spammy McCrapApp spyware and the 3D printer becomes less, not more.
I've watched a few reviews. Yours was the best. Because you didn't receive it for free like others. And today i ordered one on amazon, it was $90 off. I was going to wait till black friday, but i doubt it would have been much cheaper than $90 off.. Perhaps filament will be on sale 🤣
Does it go hot enough to do Nylon and some harder flexible filaments. As i was going to go Neptune 3 Pro but i dont think, its Nylon ready ? Maybe you can not sure? And is the price worth the difference between the Neptune 3 Pro on special vs Neptune 4? Or should i wait for other reviews of any other printer you have coming up?
This is a great deal. But it’s not going anywhere. Get one if it makes sense to you. It will need a nozzle upgrade to handle abrasives, but can otherwise handle higher temps up to 300C
@@NathanBuildsRobots I will mainly be doing TPU, Nylon ie flexible filaments for rc parts, but I don't think the Neptune 3 pro can do nylon. And the neptune hardware doesn't look like the hardware is easy to upgrade or mod. DO you think any else coming is going to beat the neptune 4 for ease and being able to do everything with future proof firmware Klipper
Can you elaborate on the “crowd sourced multi color” thing you eluded too at the end please? I like the idea of a multi color printer, but don’t have a grand to throw at it.
What are you doing about replacement nozzles. It seems they’re aren’t any and you have to remove the fans and whole extruder? Just wanting to buy one and this is the biggest con I’ve found.
My N4pro arrived today, no time to assemble it yet, just checked nothing damaged/missing. Have you tried any quieter fans for it yet? Tempted to order some aliexpress nozzles (hardened and CHT knock-off).
Neptune comes with klipper, Ender 3 SE probably won’t, but will be $60 cheaper. Ender will have more options for aftermarket mods due to popularity. Neptune is available now, Ender is available in a month or so. Really depends on your timeline/needs. I’d say the Neptune is $60 more printer, worth the extra cost. If you want to mod it anyways, Ender 3 might be a better place to start, but first upgrade you’d want to do is a klipper install, so…
@@NathanBuildsRobots Big thank you for taking to time to answer my question. I'm looking for something that work at least 80% of the time, but don't mind mod if needed. I can wait for 1-2 months. What are the mods that the Ender that will worth to chose over the Neptune? I'm planning to buy the K1 Max later this year.
I NEED AN URGENT ANSWER! I pre-ordered the Ender 3 V3 SE a few days ago. The printer will reach me on September 25-30. Before ordering this printer, I was planning to buy the "Eleego Neptune 4/3 Pro" printer because its price seemed excellent compared to its competitors. The thing that kept me from buying Eleego Neptune 4/3 Pro was that users on the internet had a lot of problems, but for some reason it made more sense to buy now. Do you think I should return the Ender 3 V3 SE I bought?
My Neptune 4 didn’t come with a profile to print with from the elagoo cura slicer that came on the usb. I can’t use it what do I do?? It is version 4.8 and I already tried 5.4 with no luck. Please help I am new to all of this.
@@tacosyk it did not come with a pre set profile for the Neptune 4 on the usb or the micro sd in the slicer for it but it showed all the neptune 3 series. I saw on Reddit that it’s not just me with the issue.
@@NathanBuildsRobots I prefer honest opinions. Fanboys and shills don't do that. If they give you a product to review, I hope to still get an honest review and opinion just as if you paid full shot for it.
Shill be coming around the mountain Shill shocked driving a Shill oil tanker just for the Shill of it looking for Shilter shortly. Not to be off topic, also with her Neptune 4. They say the one I ordered 6 weeks ago will be here Friday. Shilly of me, but I think it could happen!😄😄😄
I was thinking the metal wheels of the Pro would be worth while for longevity, but you reckon this is a better option anyway? So many options, tossing up between getting a Kobra Neo to test some prototypes I'm designing for possible sale, if the prototypes worked I could justify something more professional grade, or just hitting the middle ground to start off with and getting the Neptune 4 Pro.
Hi, I'm actively looking into the Neptune 4 - do you have any measurements of the noise levels with the special blower fan on? I asked Elagoo directly and they claimed "60dB in normal mode with the rear cooling fan on in printing, and 60dB in sport mode with the rear cooling fan on in printing. " I'm really dubious that it's that quiet - what was your experience?
@@NathanBuildsRobots Sorry - phrased that wrong: Do you have measurements of the 3 different noise levels for the blower fan? I'd like to aim for 250mm/s printing and assume I'd need at least the "mute" mode Was the ~65dB reading the loudest?
I really hope you consider Mingda for your next 3D printer. It gives you that great out of the box experience. You'll save loads on the filament you can't use in it.
Interesting idea. Would probably lead to slight underextrusion. I’ve always done the opposite, for reasons… an overloaded extruder will underextrude a bit, you can correct for that too a small degree by commanding it to overextrude
Agreed... But if they offered wi-fi on this model, they couldnt list it as an improvement for the Neptune 5! And its funny, because i'm pretty sure many of the resin printers from Elegoo offer wi-fi
Ever since I saw these piles of cash falling out of your Creality K1 in an earlier "fight club" video, I became convinced that this was purely a shill channel so it's very disappointing to see an honest review. This is not what I come here to watch.
@@NathanBuildsRobots "Yea i make money of it and yea i got the machine for free but other then that i am unpaid" lol that does sound a lil contradicting, surely you must be bit biased even if its subconscious
Sorry, my editor put that on there. I told him to edit the video to make me look like less of a shill, I don’t think he really understood what I wanted. Will be hiring a new editor next week.
@@NathanBuildsRobots I think I would actually go with the pro. It had the selectively heated bed. Also I do realize the plastic v wheels do work good, but I like the metal roller type guides. I think metal roller guides are better than linear bearings. Thanks for showing this review.
You're right... Aluminum extrusion construction... V-Groove Wheels... 235x235 heated bed... Screen on the front right side of the machine... Totally original design. It's a better clone, but it's a clone.
@@NathanBuildsRobots I meant in functionality it's not a clone. The Elegoo Neptune 4 is leagues better than the Creality Ender-3, but yeah it is kinda laid out similarly
Probably the Ender 3 V3. If you want raw output, potentially making lots of TPU or PETG parts, more printheads = more better since you'll probably be flow rate limited anyways.
I've had the Neptune 4 Pro since it's release. Literally the ONLY downside is no wifi but aside from that, this thing runs circles around my old Ender 3 Pro. 6 hour prints now an hour and a half or faster. Extruder is many times better, the print cooling is phenomenal for getting individual layers cooled enough to not sag on very fine or thin vertical areas. The speed is absolutely fantastic. The built-in bed leveling has 100-location resolution with 0.01 resolution and the ability to generate a mesh map of the bed through the klipper interface to see any small high or low spots. Which makes getting as close to optically level as possible so much easier. No ABL needed whatsoever.
For a starter printer, I cannot recommend this thing enough.
does it have auto leveling?
@@hehehoho788 Yes as well as level graphing and all that good stuff.
@@nazgullinux6601install octoprint and boom wifi and remote printing 😎 also octoanywhere!
I'm here for the shilling.
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In for a shilling, in for a guinea (or tuppence, never understood that money system) 😅
@@kimmotoivanen Guinea! Nice one.
Nice to see more printers using USB ports for thumb drives
This printer checks a lot of the boxes on the list for a beginners printer plus it has a nozzle able to reach 300 Celsius degrees that's a plus. Btw loved the music at the end and as always I enjoy your reviews.
Yea, that 300° swayed me over the Ender v3 KE.
@@andrewray822 Hi there, I am currently torn between the ender 3 v3 Ke, the sovol sv07 and the Neptune 4/ 4 pro
What has your experience been so far and what should I watch out for
@@chillSpoofy it has been fine for me. Once the print got loose and the nozzle made this huge blob of plastic around the print head, but I was able to carefully heat and remove it. Always watch first layers, that it is adhering well and doesn't need to have the calibration done again
This was such a solid recommendation. I watched this video a year ago, got a Neptune 4 non pro and it has just kicked butt all year. For the asking price? Incredible value. Thanks man
The manufacturer seems to have chosen the marketing path for this model.
Adjusting the table is good.
A disposable heavy extruder is bad. Namely, the manufacturer made it disposable in pursuit of relief (unsuccessful, but more on that in the end). Gears are now original and unassembled, and it is impossible to buy them even in the official store)) The quality of the gears is not very good and, of course, they are NOT hot (like steel, not magnetic, it looks like stainless steel), so do not try to print composites.
At the same time, the plate of the table carriage remained steel (aluminum would be 20 grams lighter and not worse).
The nozzle heater is now also rare, in size 16*15*20 mm. So I still have to look for replacement socks. And the native sock crumbles after two weeks of work at 255 degrees.
The LED on the extruder is cool, but I feel it will die because of working in extreme thermal mode.
For the same reason, the inductive sensor of the auto-level of the table will also die. On Neptune 3, the same one died after several heats of the table to 85 degrees (the printer is in a passive thermal chamber). If you plan to print petg and abs, then buy a pair of spare NPN NC type. Do not try to find the original ones, they, like the gears, are also not in this store or in others))))
The nozzle radiator fan is now 3010 (instead of 4015), works at much higher speeds and will die sooner. Fortunately, if you file everything superfluous in the extruder, you can find a place for the cooler 4015.
Super blowing is not needed, because there is no question about the quality of printing at the stated speeds, so we have 4 unnecessary 4020 snails.
And I also decided to weigh the extruder assembly ... (in the advertising picture, the seller boasts of the extruder's weight of 291 grams, which is like a hundred grams less than Neptune3). And so. The extruder assembly actually weighs (!) 472 grams!
In general, there will be no long-term high-quality work at the maximum declared temperature characteristics, there is also no need to wait for speeds, and it is better to buy Neptune3, which is much cheaper and more maintainable.
The practical printing turned out to be somewhat better than I expected. The quality begins to be noticeably lost at speeds as much as 100 mm / s, which is very decent, despite all the jambs. The list of which I will probably continue.
The z-axis guides moving along the screw axes have a backlash of 2 millimeters. It must be eliminated, while avoiding the rigid attachment of these guides.
The system loads from 30 seconds to 3 minutes. The screen freezes very often when the buttons are pressed (usually for a couple of seconds, but sometimes up to 10 seconds). Occasionally, after pressing the buttons, the required action does not occur. It is impossible to press several different buttons in quick succession.
There is no menu for setting jerks and accelerations, and what the manufacturer has screwed up by default, it's scary to think, given what he "calculated and projected" print speeds. We'll have to manage this from the slicer.
An adjustable table is probably a good thing. but.
1. Two-stage calibration of the table at 121 points is too long, namely 10 minutes from start to restart to save the parameters (without a final reboot, the table map is not saved). About half a minute of this time is spent by the printer on unnecessary trips from the zero position to the same zero position. By the way, before printing, the printer also goes home twice for some reason.
2. the alignment interface is made completely incomprehensible. Visualized is not a logically obvious square of 11 × 11 points, but an incomprehensible rectangle of 6 × 11 points. the zero count on the z axis does not come from any particular angle and/or level, but floats all the time according to an incomprehensible algorithm and it takes a crazy amount of time to truly align the table! The first time it took me 5 hours of almost continuous attempts, the second time a few days later I managed in 3 hours. This is a procedure that should take 15 minutes! moreover, I understood the process of achieving the result very vaguely and, even having achieved success, I cannot explain it (which means I cannot repeat it quickly).
It was only possible to understand that you need to turn in the corners where the value is minus counterclockwise, and where the value is positive - clockwise, but only in one corner and a little bit.
By the way, the Z-offset is reset when calibrating the table and needs to be reconfigured too.
3. The heating of the table and the extruder has really become more efficient. However:
If you change the calibration temperatures of the nozzle and table through the standard settings, then instead of calibration, the printer hangs tightly after heating.
The settings of the preparatory temperatures of the table and the nozzle for the accelerated start of printing do not work here at all, since if you turn on the preheating of the table and the nozzle, then before printing the printer to turn on the heating of the table to the operating temperature... Attention!.. It will wait for the nozzle to cool down to 120 degrees))))
In general, compared to neptune3 pro, very ambivalent impressions. However, the disappointment from the shortcomings is gradually compensated by the fact that in fact the neptune 4 is about 1.5 times faster than the neptune 3 pro with the same print quality.
I would like to take you when I buy new printer!😁
Thanks, I appreciate the detail in this review. I would like to see close up shots of what the prints look like though, so I can see what the quality is like.
As you said It works great right out the box, I have a neptune 2 and I can say it only took 15 minutes to set up and produced great quality right out the box.
The bed leveling is a little annoying, and getting it on the LAN is a little annoying. Fix those 2 things and this would be an even better printer. But still, overall it's a great package. Anyone upgrading from an Ender 3 would be very impressed with what they were able to do for the price.
@@NathanBuildsRobots I completely agree, great printer at a great price and with those upgrades you mentioned it might just be the best printer in its price range.
I bought the Neptune 4 pro fairly recently for 180€ refurbished, and it's done me well so far
I am not sure - but seems like your hinting that you are not a shill. A new word for me, I like it BullShill.
You have been blocked from the channel for questioning my shill status. I must control the narrative.
I'm currently reviving a Neptune 1. It's been very nice seeing Elegoo advance so much since 2018.
Wait... Are you telling us that _a 3D printer company that released a printer that doesn't include or exclude a feature that equals to shoot themselves in the foot_ exists? 😮
Yeah, they gotta leave room for improvements on the eventual Neptune 5?!
Dude this channel just gets better and better.
Thanks! I just subscribed to your channel, looks creepy.
Hey could you do a video about the kingroon klp1? It looks like a really good allround package.
Kingroon Shill!
Cool Machine - MICROCENTER should carry these !!!!!
Yes you should buy the pro 4
Make sure all bolts tight Bed level 2 ways and pei sheet clean with hot water and liquid soap , most importantly is do z axis properly .
Took me 1 hour to assemble. 😎🥰
Big question I guess is really whether the all metal rails on the Pro model are worth it. I have seen conflicting reports about them, with more wear and the need to lubricate on the metal rails, whereas the POM wheels are... well, just their usual POM-ness. I do like the 100 + 150 Watt heated bed feature on the Pro, though, but not sure it's worth the extra $$.
In my experience with other printers that use that type of rail system, they are very low maintenance, but VFAs are more apparent, which add a strange bumps and wood-grain-like texture to your printed surfaces.
They are not using traditional linear rails or linear rods where the balls from the bearings are touching the exposed metal guide, they are shielded cartridge bearings with a metal wheel with a u-channel on the outer bearing surface that rides on a metal railing. Look at the Tronxy Crux to see an example, I did a video on the artifacts and issues I had with that type of rail system.
@@NathanBuildsRobots Thank you for the information and reference. I feel it's an aspect that many review sites/channels skip over, even though it's rather important as you noted.
It's definitely more than just 'metal good, POM bad'. Having experience with linear rails in MSLA printers and robotics I can attest to those being pretty darn smooth and hard to beat. What the Neptune 4 Pro uses feels like the budget DIY version of it, but maybe it is good enough?
@@MayaPoschthe v400 and kobra 2 also uses it and gets good results. My experience with vfas is that it comes down to the steppers and speed. Ldo steppers for example are pretty bad besides their high price point. Creality and flsun steppers for example produce very little or no vfas. There are also some critical speeds, 50mm/s is a typical speed for very high amounts of vfa
@@kilianlindlbauer8277 mind explaining the critical speed thing a little more? Genuinely curious.
@@jeremiahk364 50mm/s or better 1,25 revolutions per second on a stepper seems to cause some internal resonance, at least thats the only reason i can think of why 40mm and 60mm produce less artifacts than 50mm/s.
I'm buying this as soon as I find somewhere to put it
Put it on your bed. You can sleep on the floor
Saying true things about a printer and saying you like the product doesn't make you a shill.
shill
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Usd/mm/s. Take that IS!
Please Elegoo, give the man a printer!
Nice review, thanks.
I got my mom an Ender 3 v3 SE last month. Compared to my old Anet A8, well, it is super. But now seeing your video reviews, just ordered myself a Neptune 4. For a long time I've wanted to not be running around with SD cards, for starters. Lack of WiFi is no problem for me, I have ethernet to the relevent place the printer will be. Thanks for your review!
so what's your opinion 2 months after posting....Ender 3 v3SE or Neptune 4? I'm deciding between those 2 myself. tia
@@ericroman9126 so the Ender hasn't been used since then, as I've not been to my mom's (different country)- my daughter had been playing with Blender, so I thought I could send her STL files to print sometimes, but hasn't panned out. Was good for printing custom parts to fix her fridge, and I'm sure when I'm there next I'll use it more.
The Neptune 4 is great. You do have to go thru calibration, which is on the display, several times since I've repeated, but may have honestly been too low bed temps. Key thing is to watch that first layers particularly go down good. If the print detaches and sort of "rides" along with the print head, instead of spaghetti which my Anet made a lot of, you'll get the glob of doom. Happened to me once- lots of patience needed to remove plastic and disassemble the print head without damaging anything - soldering iron with tip you don't care about to cut thru plastic, and then I have a convection oven, and I heated it to a temperature where the PLA was soft and removable.
But other than that, prints fast, works with Cura (BTW, look for Cura plugin for the network printing, and also one that automatically generates temperature test towers), and network printing is a big factor for me.
@@andrewray822 cool, thank you.
One question, im planning to get a 3d printer, im new to this, but my idea would be to start printing rc parts to build some RC, rc parts and acessories to then assemble all together to put the build together buying the rest of the components of course.
What 3d printer would you recommend in October 2023 to print this parts with good performance / quality?
Honestly, looking at the newest Ender3V3, I would not be surprised if Creality/Elegoo were collaborating on these printer designs.
It's called competition, not collaboration.
My Neptune 4 has been great...for the first two weeks. Then it started failing prints, and now the extruder motor has burned out and, judging by the error codes, it's burned out the driver on the mainboard. Zero response from Elegoo support.
Perfect feature set, unbelievable speed, insane price...and dead. Looks like I'm getting a P1S...
Return and replace!
@@NathanBuildsRobots - I'd love to, but a) can't get a response from Elegoo, and b) shipping back to China is going to be more than the printer's worth to me! The perils of early-adopting cheap gear, I guess.
seems like the editor has some kind of personal vendetta against Nate 🤣🤣😝😝 you got my subs for that
Great shill review haha! In all honesty though, what are the main differences in print quality between this and a bamboo lab p1p? If all I care about is print quality what am I missing out on from a bamboo lab p1p besides the complementry collecting of all my print data?
I have a Mingda and a Neptune 3, the Neptune is a better build, and my Mingda has overheated. I print TPU exclusively, does a faster unit make any sense?
I'm not sure, with TPU you might be limited on flow rate, so not sure the faster printer will make much of a difference.
Good review! I have a question: I'm looking to buy my first 3d printer and I wonder if the Neptune 3 Pro is still worth buying it nowadays (Nov'23)? the Neptune 4 look great but is out of stock over here. Thanks!
Can't wait for my N4Pro to arrive in two weeks... Already have such a long print list prepared for it
how is it going now ?
@@petethescalemodeller6130 going strong. Needed fine tuning of esteps for filament and I'm super happy with it
The Pro is out of stock but I'm on the list for notification when it's available.
how easy/fun/ tinkery/ would it be to change it to a 330x330 bed? ... or wait a year/6 months for the neptune 4 pro max? sorry i bought it before i saw your video.... now im just waiting...
Lol
Max will probably be out in 2-4 months
Thanks for the Klipper segment near the end. Even before that, my comment was going to be that Elegoo provides full Klipper/Fluidd on their $260 machine and Creality gives us proprietary Klipper crippleware on their $800 K1 Max.
You didn't show input shaping calibration. Is there an accelerometer on the extruder or did Elegoo, instrument a factory unit to generate a generic input shaper profile to use for all machines regardless of whether the customer places the printer on a rickety folding table or an 8" thick granite surface plate?
#UsefulShilling
What Creality did with their Klipper implementation is beyond stupid. I think they wanted to build their own platform, and have an app so you could download and slice models more easily, and manage multiple machines like in a printfarm using a single point of control over Creality Print. It somewhat succeeds in those goals, but the overall performance is super compromised compared to normal Klipper.
Given that most of their customers are only buying 1-2 printers, the whole idea of having a fleet management interface is just kind of silly and un-useful. The app could have been a great idea, but so far they are fumbling with it.
I don't think the neptune 4 it came with an accelerometer - but maybe it did? This is becoming more of a common practice - a generic profile can help bump speeds up a little. If you want a more accurate model that holds up at higher accelerations, that's when you really need a built-in accelerometer. And there are some methods of manual input shaping that work pretty well (print test pattern and select best looking setting).
@@NathanBuildsRobots - Creality's crippled Klipper is probably good intentions leading to bad outcomes. There's often a huge gap between the idea and its commercial realization. An app to download and slice models as well as managing multiple 3D printers sounds like a decent idea until the app becomes Spammy McCrapApp spyware and the 3D printer becomes less, not more.
Elegoo applied a standard profile for input shaping. But you could buy a sensor and attach it to the motherboard for individual results.
Not a single #NotAShill message was harmed during the making of this video.
watching the planter print, How many of these would you be able to print from a 1kg spool of filament,
So Nathan, would you go with the Elegoo Neptune 4 or a Sovol sv06 /7 or a Ender 3 S1???
Wait a month ;)
I've watched a few reviews. Yours was the best. Because you didn't receive it for free like others. And today i ordered one on amazon, it was $90 off. I was going to wait till black friday, but i doubt it would have been much cheaper than $90 off.. Perhaps filament will be on sale 🤣
Does it go hot enough to do Nylon and some harder flexible filaments. As i was going to go Neptune 3 Pro but i dont think, its Nylon ready ? Maybe you can not sure? And is the price worth the difference between the Neptune 3 Pro on special vs Neptune 4? Or should i wait for other reviews of any other printer you have coming up?
This is a great deal. But it’s not going anywhere. Get one if it makes sense to you. It will need a nozzle upgrade to handle abrasives, but can otherwise handle higher temps up to 300C
@@NathanBuildsRobots I will mainly be doing TPU, Nylon ie flexible filaments for rc parts, but I don't think the Neptune 3 pro can do nylon. And the neptune hardware doesn't look like the hardware is easy to upgrade or mod. DO you think any else coming is going to beat the neptune 4 for ease and being able to do everything with future proof firmware Klipper
Can you elaborate on the “crowd sourced multi color” thing you eluded too at the end please? I like the idea of a multi color printer, but don’t have a grand to throw at it.
Look up MMU, ask about beta program on Annex Engineering discord, or Ankermake V6
What are you doing about replacement nozzles. It seems they’re aren’t any and you have to remove the fans and whole extruder? Just wanting to buy one and this is the biggest con I’ve found.
Why not wire the ethernet straight to your PC. Better performance reducing the devices to transfer across.
Bro don't apologize for your opinion we subscribe for it.
So good idea to compare MINGDA Magician X2 with 32 mainboard and Elegoo Neptune 4 with 64 bit klipper - Great !
hello friend, what do you think about neptune 4 or kobra 2? thanks
Idk about the kobra, Neptune has klipper, kobra i think does not
My N4pro arrived today, no time to assemble it yet, just checked nothing damaged/missing. Have you tried any quieter fans for it yet? Tempted to order some aliexpress nozzles (hardened and CHT knock-off).
You don't have to tell us you're not a shill for Elegoo. We already know that. You can't be a shill for Creality *and* Elegoo, now can you? 😉
There is no limit to the amount of shilling one can do.
Do you have any connection threw elegoo to get a tiny discount if purchasing multiple units?
what is the travel router you're using out of curiosity?
I've read that the mainboard for this printer crashes a lot mid print, is it true?
I ran it for about 20 hrs and did not have any issues but your mileage may vary
wouldn't that power supply on the back power your travel router?
Gotta get a few of these, because not loving my qidi at all
Why did Elegoo go with an oddball nozzle size?
That sounds annoying. I didn't want to look too closely into issues like that because it might make someone not want to buy one.
@@NathanBuildsRobots Yeah, that's what I figured. A man's gotta eat, right?😜
What you would recommend between Elegoo Neptune 4 and Ender 3 V3 SE? Based on your video, the 2 seem interesting! I'm looking for my first printer.
Neptune comes with klipper, Ender 3 SE probably won’t, but will be $60 cheaper.
Ender will have more options for aftermarket mods due to popularity.
Neptune is available now, Ender is available in a month or so.
Really depends on your timeline/needs. I’d say the Neptune is $60 more printer, worth the extra cost. If you want to mod it anyways, Ender 3 might be a better place to start, but first upgrade you’d want to do is a klipper install, so…
@@NathanBuildsRobots Big thank you for taking to time to answer my question. I'm looking for something that work at least 80% of the time, but don't mind mod if needed. I can wait for 1-2 months. What are the mods that the Ender that will worth to chose over the Neptune? I'm planning to buy the K1 Max later this year.
I NEED AN URGENT ANSWER!
I pre-ordered the Ender 3 V3 SE a few days ago. The printer will reach me on September 25-30. Before ordering this printer, I was planning to buy the "Eleego Neptune 4/3 Pro" printer because its price seemed excellent compared to its competitors. The thing that kept me from buying Eleego Neptune 4/3 Pro was that users on the internet had a lot of problems, but for some reason it made more sense to buy now. Do you think I should return the Ender 3 V3 SE I bought?
wish he answered this. Hows the se for you now?
How come the 4 Pro does not have the 5.5 barrel plug on the back?
They advertise power out resume... I was under the belief you cannot do that with Klipper...
Complimenting an "oil-slick-look" on a printed part makes me think you're actually a Shill for Big-Oil!
The world would be so much more aesthetic if we didn't waste time and money cleaning up oil spills! #StopTheClean!
My Neptune 4 didn’t come with a profile to print with from the elagoo cura slicer that came on the usb. I can’t use it what do I do?? It is version 4.8 and I already tried 5.4 with no luck. Please help I am new to all of this.
What do you mean by profile? Did you check both USBs? (There's 1 USB and 1 USB with a micro SD slot)
@@tacosyk it did not come with a pre set profile for the Neptune 4 on the usb or the micro sd in the slicer for it but it showed all the neptune 3 series.
I saw on Reddit that it’s not just me with the issue.
You can drop the annoying text on the screen so we can see what you're talking about
I just want to make sure you know that I'm #Not A Shill. Sorry, I know some people prefer videos from shills instead so I wanted to be clear.
@@NathanBuildsRobots I prefer honest opinions. Fanboys and shills don't do that. If they give you a product to review, I hope to still get an honest review and opinion just as if you paid full shot for it.
The most amazing 3D printer, the self replicating 3D printer by Sunshine.
Between these two, the Elegoo Neptune 4 wins because it's functional.
Shill be coming around the mountain Shill shocked driving a Shill oil tanker just for the Shill of it looking for Shilter shortly. Not to be off topic, also with her Neptune 4. They say the one I ordered 6 weeks ago will be here Friday. Shilly of me, but I think it could happen!😄😄😄
She Shills Sea Shells Down By The Sea Shore
Always one thing...Seems interesting though.
I was thinking the metal wheels of the Pro would be worth while for longevity, but you reckon this is a better option anyway?
So many options, tossing up between getting a Kobra Neo to test some prototypes I'm designing for possible sale, if the prototypes worked I could justify something more professional grade, or just hitting the middle ground to start off with and getting the Neptune 4 Pro.
I tried the Kobra 2 just earlier. Was not impressed
Hi,
I'm actively looking into the Neptune 4 - do you have any measurements of the noise levels with the special blower fan on?
I asked Elagoo directly and they claimed "60dB in normal mode with the rear cooling fan on in printing, and 60dB in sport mode with the rear cooling fan on in printing. "
I'm really dubious that it's that quiet - what was your experience?
I did, it’s in the video. Did you watch the video? 😋
@@NathanBuildsRobots Sorry - phrased that wrong:
Do you have measurements of the 3 different noise levels for the blower fan?
I'd like to aim for 250mm/s printing and assume I'd need at least the "mute" mode
Was the ~65dB reading the loudest?
I did not expect Nathan to be such a Mingda shill!
I really hope you consider Mingda for your next 3D printer. It gives you that great out of the box experience. You'll save loads on the filament you can't use in it.
when you bump your speed, you should also lower your flow to compensate
Interesting idea. Would probably lead to slight underextrusion. I’ve always done the opposite, for reasons… an overloaded extruder will underextrude a bit, you can correct for that too a small degree by commanding it to overextrude
So why would anybody buy a Prusa again ?
Therefore, it is infinity better than firestarter.
So, this is the Only goo you need.
The mingda still wins!
Only a paid shill would come to the conclusion that the Neptune 4 is better than the Mingda...
How much does your wife pay you to tell her you love her?😂😂😂
It's the opposite - I have to pay for that privilege
@@NathanBuildsRobots Well, that is way you had to buy that printer.🤔
You are weird, great vijao 🤠
Why skimp on wifi for $5 in the printer, I don't feel like buying a router for $40, make no sense Elegoo!
Agreed... But if they offered wi-fi on this model, they couldnt list it as an improvement for the Neptune 5!
And its funny, because i'm pretty sure many of the resin printers from Elegoo offer wi-fi
@@NathanBuildsRobots you might be thinking of anycubic? even the saturns dont get wifi (not even the few weeks old 3)
Ever since I saw these piles of cash falling out of your Creality K1 in an earlier "fight club" video, I became convinced that this was purely a shill channel so it's very disappointing to see an honest review. This is not what I come here to watch.
I am very confused lol. Are you saying he is or isn't shilling?
Make some Robits
Neptune 4 is robit
Can't tell if this guy is a paid shill or not.
I got the printer for free, but am otherwise an unpaid shill.
Aff links earn me money though, if you're into that.
@@NathanBuildsRobots
"Yea i make money of it and yea i got the machine for free but other then that i am unpaid"
lol that does sound a lil contradicting, surely you must be bit biased even if its subconscious
All I see here is shilling for that delicious New Glarus Spotted Cow in the background.
Mmmmmm, German Purity Law
The Neptune 4 is definetely Not a Clone
Very original Ender3 design
This could have been a interesting review of sorts, but that scrolling chill crap really gets annoying, don't do that.
I just want to let you know that I’m not a shill. I guess some people like shills though
The text on the screen is annoying.
Sorry, my editor put that on there. I told him to edit the video to make me look like less of a shill, I don’t think he really understood what I wanted. Will be hiring a new editor next week.
The poor miginda
I mean... If they aren't even going to QC the unit they sent me, what are they going to send to the normies?
Yea good point
Such a BS review no shelling! I demand more cannons and mortars.
I know a shill when I hear one.
This new Neptune 4 is the best thing since sliced bread! You can take that to the bank!
@@NathanBuildsRobots I think I would actually go with the pro. It had the selectively heated bed. Also I do realize the plastic v wheels do work good, but I like the metal roller type guides. I think metal roller guides are better than linear bearings. Thanks for showing this review.
please dont keep floating text of # not a shill
silence Creality shill, Elegoo neptune 4 is superior
I would actually recommend the Ender 3 S1 because it has less features and costs more.
@@NathanBuildsRobots good good. Don't forget to upsell the pro model. Don't mention the injection molded base's problems though
@@remke5137 Oooh, yeah on the Ender 3 S1 the injection molded base.. Cheaper AND lower quality, that's a win-win!
This is not a clone of Ender-3 😂
You're right... Aluminum extrusion construction... V-Groove Wheels... 235x235 heated bed... Screen on the front right side of the machine... Totally original design.
It's a better clone, but it's a clone.
@@NathanBuildsRobots I meant in functionality it's not a clone. The Elegoo Neptune 4 is leagues better than the Creality Ender-3, but yeah it is kinda laid out similarly
@@NathanBuildsRobots It says Neptune 4 · Print volume 225*225*265mm on their site?
I get the jokes but the constants texts were so annoying that made me quit the video.
#notashill
#badshill
#Notachill
The Ender 3 is hot garbage. Roaring dumpster fire.
I think you are a shill
But even if you did have $700 to spend, would getting one P1S or two Neptune 4 or three Ender3 v3?
Probably the Ender 3 V3. If you want raw output, potentially making lots of TPU or PETG parts, more printheads = more better since you'll probably be flow rate limited anyways.