So Orpheus likely has gaps in his memories and making drugs to help himself and Alice. Melly is lying about her husband's death. Norton is targeting Alice for money. Mary Kreiburg is floating and using the appearance of Marie Antoinette and we still don't know how she died. Frederick is trying to retrieve the diamond. And what do we know about journalist's real motive? I have a feeling it isn't just a news column she is after.
Precisely! Great job in putting everything in order. Let me put this per point : Orphy : want to make drugs to help him and Alice Norton : targeting Alice for money (Popular belief said it was Melly that is her target. Still not so sure yet but I prefer Alice if we connect with the Berriere) Melly : Join the game because she was blackmailed by Orpheus (?) Frederick : Retrieving the diamond, but either he's missing or hiding idk yet Alice : wants to uncover the truth behind her parents death Additional interesting notes : Lily : might get involved if Norton was really hired by the Berriere
It could also be that he might've not lied, but rather had his memory jumbled up. The tragic murder of the DeRoss parents, then him and Alice being placed in orphanages(not given time to grieve) could've done a number to him(gaps in his memory/story), leading him to believe that HE is the son of the Deross and that they are his real parents. This could also explain why he doesn't recognize Alice(plus the fact that she's using her friend/colleague's name to go undercover). It could also be the influence of unconsciously being given doses of drugs, after all, AoM's game(final) is not Orphy's first time going through a death game.
Good point. That would make sense imo but I still think that Orpheus already realized that Alice is Alice. There are several hints leading to it. First, the dining table. Orpheus already knows Alice's favorite food, truffle cake (not her undercover favorite). If Orpheus doesn't realize that Alice is Alice, he might have just prepared another food. Second is the fact that he tried to target her since the kreiburg racecourse. Third, when he is about to tell his backstory, he holds Alice's favorite doll. If we remember clearly, young Alice always brings her dolls everywhere, including in AoM 1, when she plays in the dining room with Orpheus. Fourth, at the end of AoM 2, Alice received a postcard that is placed below her family photograph. If Orphy orchestrated this, he would've seen the photograph and knows right away that Alice is Alice, as well as recognizing the DeRoss family. In my opinion, Orphy might purposely bring up Alice's backstory in front of her. I still could not understand why he did that though.
@@SilminaIDV could it be because he wanted to confirm that journalist is his childhood friend/sister(orphy is adopted theory)? Especially with that one letter abt how Orpheus couldnt get Alice out of the orphanage cause she's supposedly unstable? For him to try and bring up Alice's memories at her face, could he be trying to give a hint to her about his identity? Or maybe he was absolutely clueless about her true identity at first and somehow figured out who she is and is trying to make her remember him? So many things to theorize about now that the second part has been released.
In the Victorian Era, wealthy families (like the DeRoss family) would usually adopt and raise a child from another family if they didn’t have an heir. Alice is a woman, and thus was not allowed by law to inherit the DeRoss family’s wealth and title. So in short, Orpheus and Alice were supposed to grow up together and eventually marry one another when they became of age. But as you said, Orpheus was present BEFORE Alice was born so this plan may’ve been congregated after the birth of Alice.
Interesting theory. Considering Orpheus' talent in literature, that would be the case. But in a sense, wouldn't that make Orpheus' real parents proud? Like, why would they collaborate with the bandits if their child is guaranteed a nobility, wealth, and fortune?
Don't forget, Orphy might be the one killed krieburg not BQ. Also, if he were adopted, your theory might be right. Since he doesn't have the hair colors of the two. And to connect the dots, those bandits, they might have been jealous because their son love's the de ross family. Also, i saw orphy's gloves when alice has fainted.
Well, we don't know up to now if Frederick was killed or nah. I tried to find clues about that but no luck so far, so I'll refrain myself from saying he is killed. Orphy might be adopted, unofficially. And theoretically, two blondes can still give birth to a brunette. But I see your point there. So far, the leads that Orphy isn't the biological son or the adopted son of the DeRoss were those burke, bane, and bonbon deduction notes
BQ is a hallucination, but your probably right about Fredrick being murdered by Orpheus; he literally has the crystal that Fredrick was searching for after he “mysteriously disappeared”. Another very conspicuous detail is the fact that Melly only appeared after the game ended, meaning she was probably an accomplice in his murder as well.
Oh yes... That's all makes sense. If he's lying, then the entomologist probably could have lied too. These two clearly don't want to tell the truth. It looks as if they wanted to gain trust faster, and who would immediately share such difficult stories to people they don't know very well. Maybe they will use each other in the final... And Melly, during the animation of time of reunion, she tried to "attack" Orpheus and Alice, maybe she really tried to hurt them since they knows the truth about her crime, or she really was telling the truth and wanted to help Alice in some way.
Ento is lying for sure. She said that her husband died because a rare bee stung him, and its poison killed him. This would contradict his personality, which is described as "meticulous", and that he always records every insect he studied. Now, assuming the bee is a rare species that he didn't record, then someone who knows insects must have been involved in releasing the bee. In other words, it's a murder, with the bee as the weapon. Among the one closest to Joshua Plinius (the husband's name), only Melly has knowledge very well about the bee. That may include a rare, deadly bee species that can kill in one stung. So, after killing Joshua, Melly enjoyed her life without her abusive husband. Then, someone from the manor sent a package containing the invitation, as well as the bee species. This would make Melly shocked because someone out there knows that Melly murdered her husband. She then joined the game in order for her crime not to be exposed. Even with all of that, in the manor, she claimed that she came to the manor to investigate the mentioned rare bee species. As for Melly attacking Alice, I assume that during the final game, everyone perceives each other as hunters. So it's normal that they attack each other
I believe Orpheus' memories are messy from all the memories being erased and returned to him. Also, Orpheus doesn't claim his last name is "DeRoss", in fact, he has never claimed any last name unlike Alice her diary claims the 'DeRoss' name. Maybe, Orpheus wants to claim the mansion, distant himself from his traitorous parents, find out the truth behind the games and his past, regain he true memories or forget about them altogether.
I agree with him wanting to forget the past altogether. If we recall in ToR, there's always this Orphy's slogan "Don't look back". Many believe that means "don't look back into the past". But then, a question arises. If Orphy doesn't want to look back into the past, why did he do all the experiments? There's a strong theory that all he did was for Alice. He wanted Alice to forget her traumatic experience (this one is hinted at in the second anniversary package letter). So, he tried to create a drug that can erase someone's memory. As time goes, he also wants to create several drugs to play with someone's memory (hallucinating about something, rember the past, forget the past, and being put into a comatose) Alice, however, wants to face it all (her background PV said "face it and it will all be over"). Orphy doesn't want Alice to look back into the tragedy, because he is afraid Alice will find out about his involvement in the murder of her parents. But this, also, raises a question. If he wanted Alice to forget everything, why did he trigger her traumatic event several times? Even to the point of giving her "Hydra"? That's as far as I go rn, damn
@@SilminaIDVcould it be possible that another part of orpheus wanted Alice to remember them? It is speculated that he have d.i.d (dissociative identity disorder ), I can't theorised much with this consideration the disorder is a very delicate subject and I don't want to messed it up.
@@SilminaIDV oooh, that's an interesting one...the "Orphy doesn't want Alice to look back into the tragedy, because he is afraid Alice will find out about his involvement in the murder of her parents" but eh I'm so way behind lore rn
@@SilminaIDVIt makes sense. One question: do you know why Orpheus's hunter form looks like a crow? That is the only hunter-survivor that I don't see a relationship between both forms.
@@mashiroboy sadly I don't know about that yet. But that may be related to Orphy and Alice's childhood. Iirc, there's a time when Alice buried a crow during her childhood. Maybe that represents Alice's nightmare, and that she sees Orpheus that way under the influence of drugs. Although, that's just a theory and needs further supporting proof
Dont we have another part to aom 2 this week? It says in the patch notes that the next part of the story is called embers rekindled. I could be wrong but i hope
Well, what I stated here is just a theory though, with several supporting proofs. Istg nothing's ever been a definitive answer in IDV lore. That's why the lore is so messed up and most of them are theories, and that's what makes it interesting
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So Orpheus likely has gaps in his memories and making drugs to help himself and Alice.
Melly is lying about her husband's death.
Norton is targeting Alice for money.
Mary Kreiburg is floating and using the appearance of Marie Antoinette and we still don't know how she died.
Frederick is trying to retrieve the diamond.
And what do we know about journalist's real motive?
I have a feeling it isn't just a news column she is after.
Precisely! Great job in putting everything in order. Let me put this per point :
Orphy : want to make drugs to help him and Alice
Norton : targeting Alice for money (Popular belief said it was Melly that is her target. Still not so sure yet but I prefer Alice if we connect with the Berriere)
Melly : Join the game because she was blackmailed by Orpheus (?)
Frederick : Retrieving the diamond, but either he's missing or hiding idk yet
Alice : wants to uncover the truth behind her parents death
Additional interesting notes :
Lily : might get involved if Norton was really hired by the Berriere
Another possibility is Orpheus being sponsored by the DeRoss family because they saw potential in him since he was a bright child.
That could be. I haven't found any supporting proof for that theory tho
It could also be that he might've not lied, but rather had his memory jumbled up.
The tragic murder of the DeRoss parents, then him and Alice being placed in orphanages(not given time to grieve) could've done a number to him(gaps in his memory/story), leading him to believe that HE is the son of the Deross and that they are his real parents. This could also explain why he doesn't recognize Alice(plus the fact that she's using her friend/colleague's name to go undercover).
It could also be the influence of unconsciously being given doses of drugs, after all, AoM's game(final) is not Orphy's first time going through a death game.
Good point. That would make sense imo but I still think that Orpheus already realized that Alice is Alice. There are several hints leading to it.
First, the dining table. Orpheus already knows Alice's favorite food, truffle cake (not her undercover favorite). If Orpheus doesn't realize that Alice is Alice, he might have just prepared another food.
Second is the fact that he tried to target her since the kreiburg racecourse.
Third, when he is about to tell his backstory, he holds Alice's favorite doll. If we remember clearly, young Alice always brings her dolls everywhere, including in AoM 1, when she plays in the dining room with Orpheus.
Fourth, at the end of AoM 2, Alice received a postcard that is placed below her family photograph. If Orphy orchestrated this, he would've seen the photograph and knows right away that Alice is Alice, as well as recognizing the DeRoss family.
In my opinion, Orphy might purposely bring up Alice's backstory in front of her. I still could not understand why he did that though.
@@SilminaIDV could it be because he wanted to confirm that journalist is his childhood friend/sister(orphy is adopted theory)? Especially with that one letter abt how Orpheus couldnt get Alice out of the orphanage cause she's supposedly unstable?
For him to try and bring up Alice's memories at her face, could he be trying to give a hint to her about his identity?
Or maybe he was absolutely clueless about her true identity at first and somehow figured out who she is and is trying to make her remember him?
So many things to theorize about now that the second part has been released.
In the Victorian Era, wealthy families (like the DeRoss family) would usually adopt and raise a child from another family if they didn’t have an heir. Alice is a woman, and thus was not allowed by law to inherit the DeRoss family’s wealth and title. So in short, Orpheus and Alice were supposed to grow up together and eventually marry one another when they became of age. But as you said, Orpheus was present BEFORE Alice was born so this plan may’ve been congregated after the birth of Alice.
Interesting theory. Considering Orpheus' talent in literature, that would be the case. But in a sense, wouldn't that make Orpheus' real parents proud? Like, why would they collaborate with the bandits if their child is guaranteed a nobility, wealth, and fortune?
Don't forget, Orphy might be the one killed krieburg not BQ. Also, if he were adopted, your theory might be right. Since he doesn't have the hair colors of the two. And to connect the dots, those bandits, they might have been jealous because their son love's the de ross family. Also, i saw orphy's gloves when alice has fainted.
Well, we don't know up to now if Frederick was killed or nah. I tried to find clues about that but no luck so far, so I'll refrain myself from saying he is killed.
Orphy might be adopted, unofficially. And theoretically, two blondes can still give birth to a brunette. But I see your point there. So far, the leads that Orphy isn't the biological son or the adopted son of the DeRoss were those burke, bane, and bonbon deduction notes
BQ is a hallucination, but your probably right about Fredrick being murdered by Orpheus; he literally has the crystal that Fredrick was searching for after he “mysteriously disappeared”. Another very conspicuous detail is the fact that Melly only appeared after the game ended, meaning she was probably an accomplice in his murder as well.
@@SilminaIDV what if orpheus is the Son of some brother or sister of the Mother ir father of Alice and they are actualy cusins
Oh yes... That's all makes sense. If he's lying, then the entomologist probably could have lied too. These two clearly don't want to tell the truth. It looks as if they wanted to gain trust faster, and who would immediately share such difficult stories to people they don't know very well. Maybe they will use each other in the final... And Melly, during the animation of time of reunion, she tried to "attack" Orpheus and Alice, maybe she really tried to hurt them since they knows the truth about her crime, or she really was telling the truth and wanted to help Alice in some way.
Ento is lying for sure. She said that her husband died because a rare bee stung him, and its poison killed him. This would contradict his personality, which is described as "meticulous", and that he always records every insect he studied. Now, assuming the bee is a rare species that he didn't record, then someone who knows insects must have been involved in releasing the bee. In other words, it's a murder, with the bee as the weapon.
Among the one closest to Joshua Plinius (the husband's name), only Melly has knowledge very well about the bee. That may include a rare, deadly bee species that can kill in one stung.
So, after killing Joshua, Melly enjoyed her life without her abusive husband. Then, someone from the manor sent a package containing the invitation, as well as the bee species. This would make Melly shocked because someone out there knows that Melly murdered her husband. She then joined the game in order for her crime not to be exposed.
Even with all of that, in the manor, she claimed that she came to the manor to investigate the mentioned rare bee species.
As for Melly attacking Alice, I assume that during the final game, everyone perceives each other as hunters. So it's normal that they attack each other
@@SilminaIDVthis is so interesting, I'll wait for your video about her
@@NotCooLouis Honestly I would need more proof to support my theory about Melly lol. Maybe after I gained some proof, I'll post it
I believe Orpheus' memories are messy from all the memories being erased and returned to him.
Also, Orpheus doesn't claim his last name is "DeRoss", in fact, he has never claimed any last name unlike Alice her diary claims the 'DeRoss' name.
Maybe, Orpheus wants to claim the mansion, distant himself from his traitorous parents, find out the truth behind the games and his past, regain he true memories or forget about them altogether.
I agree with him wanting to forget the past altogether. If we recall in ToR, there's always this Orphy's slogan "Don't look back". Many believe that means "don't look back into the past".
But then, a question arises. If Orphy doesn't want to look back into the past, why did he do all the experiments? There's a strong theory that all he did was for Alice. He wanted Alice to forget her traumatic experience (this one is hinted at in the second anniversary package letter). So, he tried to create a drug that can erase someone's memory. As time goes, he also wants to create several drugs to play with someone's memory (hallucinating about something, rember the past, forget the past, and being put into a comatose)
Alice, however, wants to face it all (her background PV said "face it and it will all be over"). Orphy doesn't want Alice to look back into the tragedy, because he is afraid Alice will find out about his involvement in the murder of her parents.
But this, also, raises a question. If he wanted Alice to forget everything, why did he trigger her traumatic event several times? Even to the point of giving her "Hydra"?
That's as far as I go rn, damn
@@SilminaIDV hold on a minute, wasn't that silhoutte who drugged Alice in basement Norton?
@@haimeicyrus yep, it was Norton. A theory suggests that he worked for Orpheus
@@SilminaIDVcould it be possible that another part of orpheus wanted Alice to remember them?
It is speculated that he have d.i.d (dissociative identity disorder ), I can't theorised much with this consideration the disorder is a very delicate subject and I don't want to messed it up.
@@SilminaIDV oooh, that's an interesting one...the "Orphy doesn't want Alice to look back into the tragedy, because he is afraid Alice will find out about his involvement in the murder of her parents" but eh I'm so way behind lore rn
Imagine if the forest Rangers actually used Orpheus as a way to gain the trust of the Deross family so the plan of robbing them would be easier
Actually, many believed the incident to be like that
Thank you for making the video
My pleasure!
This made me realize how emotional this lore is T^T
Aww :D
i just want them to happily reunite, im gonna cry
I hope so. But, well, let's see what is gonna happen later on
Did you consider him to be the son of Mrs. Deross and Ranger? To me, he physically looks more like those two and nothing like Mr. Deross.
Hmm, nope. According to Burke's deduction quest number 4, he is implied to be the son of the Manor's employee, brought along by Mr. DeRoss himself
@@SilminaIDVIt makes sense.
One question: do you know why Orpheus's hunter form looks like a crow? That is the only hunter-survivor that I don't see a relationship between both forms.
@@mashiroboy sadly I don't know about that yet. But that may be related to Orphy and Alice's childhood. Iirc, there's a time when Alice buried a crow during her childhood. Maybe that represents Alice's nightmare, and that she sees Orpheus that way under the influence of drugs. Although, that's just a theory and needs further supporting proof
Dont we have another part to aom 2 this week? It says in the patch notes that the next part of the story is called embers rekindled. I could be wrong but i hope
Many believed so. Let's just wait for tomorrow. I can't wait either
First of all, amazing. Second of all, could I have a new link to the discord server?
Thanks. Here you go
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This was a great video!
Glad you enjoyed it! ^^
I just thought that Orpheus parents and DeRoss parent are related and so Orpheus was like their nephew lol I guess I was wrong hahahaha
Well, what I stated here is just a theory though, with several supporting proofs. Istg nothing's ever been a definitive answer in IDV lore. That's why the lore is so messed up and most of them are theories, and that's what makes it interesting
Do you think Bloody Queen and Mary Kreiburg have a connection?
Well, yes. Personally, I think that Bloody Queen, in essence, is Mary Kreiburg
can u do one for mellys story
Sure. Although for now I'd follow the event of AoM first as it unfolds
EARLYY!!
Hey silmina.. you know satanexe??
Yep, I do
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