Why did Labour lose Bolsover? (Victoria Derbyshire 16.12.2019)
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- Опубліковано 15 гру 2019
- On election night 2019, Labour lost seats that had never been anything other than red. One of them was Bolsover - which had been held by the MP Dennis Skinner since 1970. Our reporter Sean Clare spent time in the constituency in three months before the election for the Victoria Derbyshire programme and spoke to many people who were thinking about doing the previously unthinkable - voting Conservative. He's been back to the area - which as of now is held by the Tories. Broadcast on the BBC's Victoria Derbyshire programme 16.12.2019
Remember Thornberry sneering at “white van man with his cross of st George flag” ... these things are never forgotten
Well here is the funny bit through marriage she is a "Lady" of the realm. She is also the champion of affordable housing. Lives in the same street as where Tony Blair use to live in London , and to boot owns other property. Champagne Socialists, dont you just love them.
@@Eric-the-Bold The even funnier bit is she is aiming to become the new labour leader.
white van men are sniveling tearfully into their pints as we speak
She also said to a colleague who lost her seat "my constituents weren't as stupid as yours", now she's running for labour leadership
I suspect you are bang on with that. There is this cabal of Home Counties middle class so called socialists who have patronised and disenchanted the traditional labour core vote. Abbott being another example. Votes against grammar schools and then sends her own son to one. Who finishes up spitting at policemen!
It all kicked off with Brown and his "that bigoted woman" ten years ago. Labour activists view white, working-class males from the North with utter contempt.
And white working-class females. There seems to have been a lot of political cover for the grooming gangs".
Edit: I understand that the grooming gangs also did Hindu and Sikh girls.
@@richardlee653 And they still are !
What a load of bollocks. You think that all Labour activitists hate the working class that they stand for just cos Brown called a woman bigoted? What about the Tories and all they've done? Always lying to get elected and taking away the ability of the working class to climb the ladder as well as taking away basic public services.
Oh, it kicked off long before that. But that recorded 'bigoted' comment was the first time that people realised just how deeply out of touch politicians are with their constituency voters.
@@Clavinovaman she was bigoted.
Do do feel terribly sorry for Dennis Skinner to end like this.
Lol !
Ropes are available
Had it come never done anything for Boza and when his big moment came he stabbed his voters right in the back
He's just part of the system he's earned over 6 million quid since becoming an mp. He got £17k relocation fee and £56k parachute tax free cash, plus his state pension and his parliamentary pension is £51,560 a year plus he's had 45 years of absolutely fantastic pay
@@s23wd1v3rYour joking he supported Brexit and was a Beast for the community
The House Of Commons seems strange without Dennis Skinner
The party that was “coal not dole” has turned against this. A kick in the teeth for decedents of miners.
Anvilcatcher it was more of “dole not coal” manifesto. Why bother working, vote for us and everything will be free!
one day when we are all dead & buried they will be teaching the idiot kids about this new resource they have found beneath our feet....Coal and how it will transform the UK economy.
@@mechabits197 Haha. You know, you could well be right there...
Descendents?
@@Nickbaldeagle02 we need more dissident descendants creating dissidence & dissonance, anything but dither & delay
A political party is in trouble when it stops representing the views of its voters . Labour has been going down that road for years. The whole purpose of a political party is represent it's voters not the views of its hard core membership.
Does this represent working class voters more? ua-cam.com/video/24du25osgRY/v-deo.html
Or like the Tories and Repoublicans in the USA, to create a vast right wing machine, that stokes hatred and division, gree and misery,
@@mrsmith9031 keep crying Smudge. Won't win any voters with that type of talk.
@@bigsteve1664 they won a landslide in the US?
@@mrsmith9031 or like the biden and harris consort and collude with criminals and oligarchs bearing brown envelopes stuffed with precious dollars and a chinese takeaway menu, please wake up before you give away your rights completely
Labour lessons learnt = Never rely on students for your vote!
What is so special about students? Call them what they are - long term schoolchildren.
Anybody who has consistently interviewed graduates will tell you that many are unemployable. Governments of all complexions have pushed for more young persons to go to university for their own political purposes. Among the reasons that many do take up a seat at university is that it is seen as more acceptable than having to work for a living and selecting one option from a list of alternative answers is not an effective way of testing knowledge and identifying those who would personally benefit, and the country benefit, from making an investment in their further education.
The lack of common sense of many young persons is illustrated by the level of personal debt that they carry. Who in their right mind borrows money without having a credible plan to repay the debt? Being unable to settle debts shows a lack of common sense and the expectation that others will bale them out of a mess that they themselves created.
That so many students registered to vote in two separate constituences tells its own story.
@@Jon908584 (i) Higher education is a prerequisite for many careers - try removing a cyst with the the knowledge gained from a Biology GCSE;
(ii) Many many many students work full-time studying in the evening or online. Sounds like you need to do more research
TheConversation I do not disagree with your argument that yes there a great many students who have to work part time to support their further education, however, there are also a great deal of students who choose university as an ‘alternative’ to work and rely on ‘bank of mom n dad’ to support themselves. Also, we have to question whether the majority of subjects taken up (media studies as an example) is worth the resultant student debt that these kids have to carry for decades with little chance of getting a higher paid occupation down the line. What we mostly have in this country (and the Western world overall) are a bunch of millennials in further education who are angry with the system because they believe opportunities should be handed to them on a plate hence when they realise they have to get out of bed to earn it they develop a radical anti-establishment mentality.
@@theconversation9103 75% become Conservative from 35 years old onwards :)
@@Isleofskye 35? That's around the time their oestrogen/testosterone decreases significantly as does the quality of their ovaries/sperm. They're beginning their slow descent to death. No wonder
Tories import cheap labour, and Labour import a fresh voter-base. Between the two, we're screwed.
Bang on mate
Lol you what?
Two cheeks of the same arse I'm afraid.
Yeah pretty much
Ain’t that so true , we’re all Fucked
Fr the same reason they lost everywhere else, I imagine. They're unelectable.
Empty words. Labour and Tory are equally as bad
When you consider what Thatcher is commonly believed to have done to mining communities, for former miners to vote Conservative in preference to Labour is staggering. They, Labour, lost because they deserved to lose. They don't speak for working people anymore.
@Nick Firth I wasn't sure of the facts, which is the reason for "commonly believed". Thanks.
All my life I've had to listen to the moaning of miners and how hard done by they were. Nobody asked them to be a miner, they volunteered. Now that the mines have been closed, they're still moaning. Few, having been handed a lemon, have made lemonade. The Government through the Social Services should give help only to those prepared to help themselves otherwise all that happens is that the motley army of dependents who refuse to stir themselves and take responsibility for themselves will grow and eternally be with us.
The Mines Closed Because Labour Nationalized them which in Return made the mines unprofitable and inefficient, so really Labour destroyed the Mines and than scapegoated it on Tatcher
All they had to do was stick by the referendum and they would of won by a landslide, instead they convinced Corbyn to back a second vote, and he did want out.
I know they only care about Trans and Somalians
The labour party spent over a million pounds in Ashfield reducing the size of the general waste dustbin and yet the local kings mill hospital needs two new MRI scanners at a cost of three hundred thousand each !
@freebeerfordworkers
That's the problem with big government it wants to control everything from how kids think and feel to the arts. And they never seem to have enough money.
and what on earth have the tories ever done in Ashfield?
@@ultimateblaze23
How long was the council and MP Labour?
@@deniseg-hill1730 state wide policy are what matter, councils are side dressing
if the proles of Ashfield stopped buying so much plastic garbage for their brats and didn't stuff themselves full of KFC Family Feasts and become obese, the hospital wouldn't be overworked
Labours failed attempted cover up of grooming policy did not help
failed cover up of grooming, failed cover up of antisemitism, failed cover up of racism, failed cover up of terrorist links, a lot of failed cover ups from labour, but that doesnt matter because all of the voters are racist stupid and didnt know what they wanted according to them :S
@@mattcast44 No Gorden Brown Knew, but for PC Marxist social cohesion excuse he tried to cover up his mess he created .
@@mattcast44 Labour new it was going on but ignored it for Marxist PC social cohesion excuses
oh and votes
@freebeerfordworkers That is unbelievable. Hollywood is corrupt, Washington is corrupt, Parliament is corrupt. they are all involved in or complicit with child trafficking and exploitation.
Poor Dennis Skinner, I know the locals probably loved him but it's the actions of the Labour party that saw Dennis lose his seat in parliament and his mp rule over Bolsover.
@@updastorm685 I think his age had a lot to do with it. He should’ve made way for a younger person. His Labour replacement (who got rid of that useless Tory) looks promising.
Bolsover I get, someone explain how in gods name Jess Philips held her seat though?
all the horrible angry women of britain moved over there to vote for her
Not only held her seat, but wants to be fucking leader of the party. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
@Bas Wenmakers it would be, labour wouldnt be elected for a generation, it would be great for the country
The ethnic population of her constituency kept her in. Let's pray for a benefits shake up to really kick them in the balls!
@Bas Wenmakers Phillips ,Abbot , Thornbury or the Long-Forehead woman would be amazing.
A party for cities and students, absolutely bang on.
For those who are 'all heart' and no brain.
students and cities are sexy - no one's killing themselves to move to shitholes like Bolsover
People too thick to become students hate them?
Jon908584 A young man who is not a liberal at 20 has no heart, but if he is not a conservative by 40 he has no brain.
@Alex Jones So are old people. Most of them are not students.
Corbyn,Stamer,Abbott,Lammy,Cooper ,Benn,Mcdonald etc etc
@@Mickyway - the one's colin mentioned won't either.
People wanted the referendum vote to be carried out and sadly only voting Tory was there a chance of getting what they voted for.
True but now we all suffer with the consequences, more rights have been stolen than every but hey
And now look what has happened as a result, you were all warned time and time again how disastrous it would be, but you chose not to listen and now what you referred to as "Project Fear" is now "Project Reality". Your arrogance cost you dearly.
We’re still waiting for the benefits of Brexit however
@@Pierrick2009 Early days, we have just managed to get away from the bloodsucking grasp of the EU. But two things you can see have already happened, despite remoaners saying when we left the EU house prices would fall in fact they have never been higher, and also they said the stock market would crash, it's never been higher, so we are well on the way to being Great Britain again.
@@ronvonryan House prices never been higher? AND YOU THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING?
"well on the way to being Great Britian again." Good God you're utterly delusional.
Why did labour lose any seat? Because they are arrogant and think the British people are sheep that blindly follow the shepherd. Sorry but no, the public woke up and realised today's labour is not the labour that used to be for the working person. The people also have a sense of pride in the way that they want to work for what they have, not rely on handouts all the time
@ Shaun Davies
If you've ever visited Bolsover you have to ask what did Skinner ever do for his constituency? Where is the inward investment?
@@colintawn3535
What has labour done for any of their constituencies? Most of them are run down, crime and drug ridden areas. The same as in the American Democrat parties areas
Some people slack off at work. They're always going on about 'hard-working families' (don't we have child labour laws?) what about 'do their jobs half-assed just for the money and don't break sweat too much if it can be helped families' I know tons of them
Peter Grahame they roll in at 9:48am, then tea at 10:03am for 37 minutes, 10 minutes of looking at their computer. Meeting at 11 until 12 with tea and biscuits. They like meetings. Lunch 12-2 in subsidised unionised canteen. 2-3 is when the real work is done (and done slowly ‘to avoid mistakes’. 3:30pm winding down for the day. Mass exodus from 4:15 onwards according to how high up your grade is in order to avoid the worst of the private sector rush hour.
Peter Grahame I want a job there!
I had a discussion with my local Labour candidate shortly after they announced their policy on membership of the EU, & asked her to explain what the policy actually was. She's a fanatical remainer so was over the moon at the thought of overturning the referendum result. We live in a strong leave area and I pointed out to her that the party leadership had effectively raised 2 fingers to 17.4 Million voters... and therefore WHY should they vote Labour?
Her response was patronising at best, effectively assuming that the Red wall would stay red as "why would they vote Tory, they're Labour." I pointed out that Labour had just recieved a pasting in the EU elections, with the Brexit party taking seats in those Labour seats. She shrugged. I told her that Labour had shot themselves in the foot and would take a hammering in the next GE for precisely that reason and attitude. I called her on the 13th and said "I told you so".
She was right to tell you what she did. Where are the Brexit Party now? Can you look yourself in the eye and honestly say that Brexit has been a success? It clearly hasn't. Assuming Labour win the next election, Starmer is going to have to face up to this reality. The UK needs some re-alignment with the EU.
Quite right. Labour should come out and commit to taking us back into the EU. It's hardly been a success since we left, which is exactly what was predicted. Anyone with half a brain cell could have seen what a disaster it would be.
2:20 absolutely right, everyone is too scared to say in case they are tarred "Racist" that old chestnut!
no one admits to being racist
@@daviedovey yes they do, they are called far right but the problem is that anyone that disagrees with a certain religion (which is not a race) are labelled far right and racist. This has to stop. Cancel culture is not democracy and is not pro free speech
@@daviedovey Really? There seems to be loads of loony lefties quite open about hating white people. Oh, right, that doesn't count does it? I forgot.
@@poledancingmongoose and the frustrating and irionic thing is that anyone can run genuine enlis/british white people into the ground without so much as an eye being batted and little to no protection who identify (what's their alternative,live a lie,lol) as such.
no wonder britain is becoming increasingly labeled by extremist lefties and liberals (and in the US too) for daring to be proud in whatever innocent way to THEIR proud heritage.
the lunatics seem to have taken over the asylum and THEIR voice seems to be the only one heard to protected and taken seriously.
....
@@codyw1 Er the loony left are white... You are desperate to play the victim
Labour cared more for mass immigration (illegal PR otherwise,) sucking up to Political Islamists & the EU, as well as spending tax payers money on free stuff rather than concentrate on keeping us sovereign & safe.
"Free stuff"-- like hospitals, schools, nurses, police lol.
People didn’t leave Labour; Labour left the people.
Got it in one.
They are damned if the do, damned if they don’t. If they move left, they get smeared out of existence by the press.
If the dance to the press’s tune, they lose Scotland and the north.
They actually listened to actual Tories ?
And actually believed them ? ?
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaàaaaaaaaaaaaw !
Whilst Labour deserved to lose the seat I’m less sure that Dennis Skinner did.
It was incredibly difficult for Dennis skinner as he was an MP who supported Brexit and working class people in towns yet the Labour Party in 2019 had become a party that supported remaining in the EU and students in cities.
But he never changed much , just blamed Tories, his labour opened borders, and he never said much about it
@@eddiebirch2067 yes he did, he said that free movement had just been cheap Labour for big employers. -
“It’s about workers being exploited. All that nonsense Mike Ashley does of dragging people about for a pittance is enabled by the EU.” Dennis skinner - 2017
@@Greendoor123 Fair one , just pissed off with labour in general , wasn't Denniss fault
"if I voted Conservative, my grandfather would turn in his grave. I couldn't do that"
Because that's a reasoned argument.
Your grandfather never had an LCD TV. Your grandfather never had an iPhone. But yet you do. Your grandfather never cared about the environment. I'm sure you do too.
I've never understood that argument
@@yangziouhci7014 It's no joke. That's the mentality.
It’s not an argument. He has his reasons but he’s not telling.
Because Labour isn't about Labour any longer. Labour is about dissolving the electorate and importing new subjects from the most benighted populations the world has to offer.
You preferred and voted for this? ua-cam.com/video/24du25osgRY/v-deo.html
You voted for the prime minister to be an American who has Turkish and German heritage? And for the chancellor and home secretary from India? Right...
@@heliotropezzz333 honey, if the PM can "abolish" rights . . . they weren't "rights" to begin with.
@@TheShootist That doesn't make sense. No person has 'rights' unless the government accepts that they do. There are plenty of third world countries where life is cheap and no one can assert their rights sucessfully, although what the rest of the world accepts as rights are frequently infringed.
@@heliotropezzz333 governments do not give rights. that is outside their ability. rights are inherent.
We hold these truths to be self-evident . . . that all men are created equal that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. The best you can hope for is a government which protects these rights. a "right" given by a government can be as easily taken away and as such is not a right, but just a priviledge
I am not British, but a keen admirer of the British democracy.
I am also an admirer of Mr Skinner, although I could not always agree with the Labour nor the Conservatives.
That said, I am really sorry Mr Skinner lost his seat, he was the voice of normal working people, and will be missed sorely to keep Labour representing the working class.
"Something so silly as broadband"
The majority of the UK are now working from home 😂
Majority? Ah, no.
Yes and we already have broadband.
@@chesterdonnelly1212 most people have shit broadband
Funny isn’t it how so many of Corbyns polices would have mitigated the effects of this pandemic. Ah well only another four years of a massive Tory majority. I look forward to paying for my doctor in the future
@@AlwaysAC it will be more than four years. Labour is still at war with itself.
Few reasons that I can see:
- A general reduction in the labour vote, due to poor leadership
- An 87 year old incumbent, with not near the same energy as he would have previously, to either campaign or work for his constituents
- that incumbent being unable to campaign due to being in hospital with a hip complication
- despite Dennis Skinner being a lifelong brexiteer, he repeatedly voted against Brexit in his last year. People don't appreciate that.
He was counting on the the hate of maggie (torries)and the pits and strikes that generation have gone thank god
Peter Mernagh: Study Skinner's history. A man of principal, loyalty and he ends up being paid in brexit coin.
Jim McLoughlin what do you mean?
@@jimmcloughlin a man of principle until he started listening to Corbyn as leader. For his lifetime he wanted Britain to leave the EU, but he voted with the labour party to block it at every opportunity. He didn't rebel and vote with his conscience even ONCE in relation to Brexit. He was part of the reason why the election was necessary, and like many other labour mps representing leave seats, he was seen to be blocking Brexit.
@@petermernagh9991 corbyn had supported brexit his whole live as well. It was the liberal elite within the labour party who forced his hand, it very much wasn't his own opinions.
I feel for the people of bolsover in their disillusionment with Labour. Leading to them vote elsewhere.
Ironic thing is they've voted for a party that, from decades of past experience, will do nothing for their lives or bolsover.
@@graham3667 and it didn’t.
“Labour don’t care about working class people they only care about old people” That young woman does realise 65% of people under 30 voted for labour doesn’t she? This was the best manifesto for young people, that will ever be seen in British politics.
Lazarus are you talking about the labour manifesto being the best manifesto for young people ever??
Ian Brown No it wouldn’t have Mr brown. Do you know why the country went bust? Because Tony Blair was spending too much money on the country?? No because he spent £400bn on the Iraq war and bailed out the bankers to the tune of £500bn. Those bankers committed mass fraud of billions daily, yet we had to give them 5 years budget of the NHS and cut domestic spending. Under the tories we cut domestic spending like never before, yet government borrowing was the highest in history. They didn’t spend it on the country, where did the money go?
The turnout for the under 30s was much lower than other age groups. Labour isn't supported by 65% of the under 30s - it is supported by 65% of under 30s that voted.
Now make us proud start working for the run down north lets get stuff done and work for our people for once
King Brilliant great plan
If you want the run down north to get back to its glorious industrial past tax cuts have to be demanded.
Small business taxes are just far too high. Income tax levels are far to high and the silly silly regulations have to stop.
@King Brilliant Explain Step 3 again. Step 2 won't happen btw.
@King Brilliant what foreign aid has double the budget for nhs?i think you may have got that slightly wrong as the total health spend was 115 billion pounds for 2018/19 yet foreign aid was 13.5 billion in 2016 predicted to go up to 14.5 billion by 2021 but only if the economy grows as it is a fixed 0.7 percent of gdp as suggested by the U.N.
Oh dear. You're going to be disappointed.
Things haven't improved here for nearly a decade, so we'll vote for ... the people who've been in charge for that decade. Ok.
Why do you assume "things haven't improved for nearly a decade"? Brexit has proved a distraction but employment has been at record levels and inflation has been stagnant with record levels of inward investment. The cycle of British politics since the sixties seems to be that the Conservatives have 2 or 3 terms in Government with the economy doing fine and then there is a mood for change for change sake and Labour have a go and spend spend spend. The Conservatives then get voted back in and have to pick up the pieces and cut costs. The Conservatives get things back on track only for Labour to f*ck it up again.
In 2010 the Conservatives inherited a country that was trying to recover from the financial crash caused in no small part by Labour's bank deregulation coupled with spend spend spend over the previous thirteen years that left the UK potless. This period saw a ridiculous and unsustainable increase in the welfare state and sanctioning of mass immigration that have both undermined the fabric of British society. Not to mention an illegal war or two.
If the current Labour party were looking for a job I wouldn't give it a broom let alone allow it to run a country.
@@Kaiserbill99 the UK is a wasteland mate, you just have to use your eyes
@@imovertheocean It depends what you mean by a "wasteland". There are folk that have not moved on from the closure of the pits and inefficient nationalised industries in the 1980s but life will always be full of losers who cannot adapt. For most people standards of living have improved immeasurably since the 1970s and there is opportunity to get on in life for everyone.
123WelshDan321 problem is the country is poor so where's the money going to come from anyway
Vlodec it's over mate. No future
Unfortunately as was shown before the election, today Johnson has abolished worker's rights. It didn't take him long to shaft the very people that just voted for him.
'Johnson has abolished worker's rights'- not true. Have a look: www.gov.uk/employment-status/worker
A very nice video, informative, talking to the locals, well done Sean.
Met Dennis at a Christmas Labour do in BUCKS when I was a member of Buckingham CLP - Great Guy but he had a good innings, & 49 years aint bad in Parliament !!!!
Pity he didn't leave on his own terms
Labour believe they have taken the working class as far as they can now their focus is on minorities the unemployed and immigrants but firmly believe the people they deserted will continue to support them
The immigrants are the only ones working
Brilliant video. I'm from Bolsover born and bred. I didn't vote for mr Skinner for the last 2 elections. This time was his hard party line which he followed. I think he should of retired in 2017 but he's still well liked even with his defeat.
Does he still live in Bolsover?
@@detnies never has. Clay Cross. Just up the road
I get that. But do you really feel the Tories will represent you? Boris never has cared and neither will Sunak.
You just need to drive around the former coalfield areas of north Notts and Derbyshire to know the answer to that. They are in a worse state than the rest of the region. Take it from someone who is from there and knows the area well.
Programme makers obviously see the result as a bad thing
Out of interest what gave you that impression?
@@fredsmith-kingofthelunatic7810 as usual just the tone and intonation of the presenters and voiceovers. A bit like when the BBC news announced the result of Brexit for the first time...it was like somebody close to them had died.
NB. I voted to Remain but I accepted the result
Class divide.
Labour are now too different from the very most of the Working Class and many in Labour have hostility to that class and adopt positions that are completely at odds with their interest but look good on paper.
Because they don’t have a Devine right to the seat which many people in labour seemed to think
We need a fixed term of 10 years for mp no more career politicians they start to think it is their right to be in the HP time for change
What?!!!
Boogiewoogie what
@@tinabrown4533 Russian?
Boogiewoogie Sorry Yorkshire lass
I dissagree, if we have long lasting MPS that gives them experience and strengh to work for their constituents, if they are out in 10 years, we just have loads of novices who can be easily bullied by the press and civil service.
What an insight. Great viewing
Oh bolsover, so much to answer for...
But people who love dennis yet hate corbyn do realize that their politics are almost identical? (Bar brexit). They are both firmly of the labour left and always have been. Am I really missing something here?
I don’t think the tories will do anything to help the people in this area but don’t blame them for feel disillusioned.
Of course they won’t they’ll just take the lent support from the north and continue to leave the north derelict.
@@MarcusBlueWolf I live in Leeds. Is it 'derelict'?
@@yorkshiremgtow1773 How much have council budgets been cut by the Tory government towards labour run councils?
@@MarcusBlueWolf yes, they have been cut; but what's the alternative? We keep borrowing and borrowing, just to pay the interest on money that we borrowed previously? When Labour got into government in 1997, the outgoing govt was borrowing £0 per year; all expenditure was raised entirely from tax revenue. By the financial year 2007-8, they were now borrowing £41.5 billion a year; this is before the banking bail-outs. When the next government made attempts to get us back to an even balance-sheet, they were criticised for doing so, by Labour. So clearly Labour had no plan themselves to ever get us back to the circumstances of 1996-7, and instead, taxpayers' money would permanently be involved in interest payments to those who make money from buying government gilts.
I could not vote for abbot or lammy either not to mention corbyn and that mouthy woman thornberry oh and butler too too many millionaires in Labour Party now not in touch
@@Rattlerbrand hmmm….how many millionaires in the Tory Party, I wonder?
People voted Tory to fix 9 years of the Torres 🤣
LOL, good one,
Yeah, we voted for change. What?!
people have more information about the world than ever before they can see whats happening with socialist countries like venezuela, zimbabwe, cuba, north korea and they do not want any part of it
Corbyn was not going to turn Britain into a socialist country like those you listed. His programme was more like the model of Scandinavian countries which come high up on the world happiness index, but the Tory newspapers relentlessly smeared him and his programme portraying it as communist or like Venezuela etc Here's where we are now ua-cam.com/video/NunM69yOOAg/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/yfby9S0Eolg/v-deo.html Boris is not the answer.
Labour party's manifesto was social democratic manifesto....more to do with sweden and finland than anyone else. Their public spending proposals only put them marginally above the EU average, nothing to do with north korea or venezuala....If that's an 'informed' public, then we really have a lot of work to do.
FuzzyFTW its strange that you claim people have more information than ever and the first thing you do is write a bunch of nonsense that shows you did not even read Corbyns manifesto and on top of that the information you do talk about is incorrect.
Funny enough it was the older generation who voted boris in, the younger people who actually know how to look up the information and grasp it properly voted in their majority for Labour.
And on top of that people voted more because of Brexit than anything else, tell me how Brexit is meant to help the finances of the country...........it seems to me you are the type who likes catchy slogans been repeated because doing real research with real information is osmething that you consider hard work and you have no time for that.
zdillz Sweden and Norway are not democratic socialist.
Jeramy Corbyn is a socialist he has supported NRA members who are socialist and has supported Venezuela government, His best friend John McDonald his full on Marxist who showed the small book of Mao Book on communism in parliament and has said him self that he is a Marxist, Labour is now at the moment controlled by momentum a socialist group and they advise Jeremy Corbyn.
Mish Mash it’s your kind of bullshit attitude that has ruined the left, who are more interested in student politics than LISTENING. This is a time to LISTEN. Instead of falling back on the same thing we’ve been hearing for years, disgusting ageism and nonsense far left policies the majority don’t like, young and old. I have an 18 year old in London and even she wasn’t interested in what labour had to offer.
It wasn't just Jeremy Corbyn no 1s mentioned his side kick diana Abbott and her hatred for all things British
The vote was to leave EU .This was not carried out .Labour prevaricated. Concerns over immigration were not addressed . Skinner was the most honest politician in pariiament so this gives some indication of the feeling there .
My sympathies to those that voted Tory. It will only get worse.
😂i think people were just at a loss and diddnt realise it was tory policy that was making their life shit
Pub at 4.26 shut and boarded up across from the town cenotaph. I bet some names on there used to have a drink in there of a weekend or a function with the family. That is the community right there.
Remember when Gordon Brown had a chat with that old dear ..... she said the main thing is ....immigration! Gordon Brown called her a bigot ........he should of listened !
She asked where 'all these Eastern Europeans are coming from' lol errrr..... Anyway, I'd say the issue was more to do with people listening to the likes of farage and all his bs 'clean break' rhetoric. Immigration isn't the main issue, distribution of wealth is
@@danielsurlis2244 mass immigration is keeping wages very low at the lower end the of pay scale . And putting stress on NHS. I'm all for the distribution of wealth for British people in Britain. Because people from other countries where the immigration comes from are not left wing or liberal , they are proud of their home countries and will Always put themselves and their own people first . And that's how it should be . They have a right to better themselves but so do I and I will resist laws that allow them to take it from me , my family, neighbours and countrymen . British people first just like they put their country first. What happens when you are nice and caring and sharing? You get walked all over . Give people an inch and they will take a yard .
@@gravyboat2370 I could be persuaded it plays a part. But it's not the main factor in why things have gone downhill and while all of a sudden the money has become available to reverse the effects of austerity all of a sudden I think it's fair to be sceptical of those telling us it is
@@danielsurlis2244 austerity officially ended earlier this year. The milliband labour party have stated that they fully agreed with austerity and if they got into power they would have made even more cuts . Remember the financial crash of 2008. Bailing out banks etc .....That's why there was austerity. It wasn't just a tory policy they made up for a laugh .
Yup, that was a lady who had worked in the Cotton Mills of Rochdale since she was probably 12.
Labour deserted the people who voted for them, the 2016 election results was the natural results.
Great video!
Just to give the good folk of Bolsover a clue as to what is happening in my London. A Jamaican friend went shopping on a busy day in a busy High Street 2 weeks ago after an interview in Whitechapel , East London and she said for nearly an hour afterwards she never heard ONE WORD of English spoken on those East London streets and there are plenty of other areas in London and elsewhere like that. THAT is why Labour will always be immigrant City and Labour now because from the 98% White indigenous British of my childhood it is now only 1 in 10 Births in the whole of Inner London with its millions of inhabitants so WELL DONE GUYS !!!
It's the same all over the country, even here in stoke, I got to the main city around here, never see anyone speaking english, I saw more english speaking people when I was in Berlin afew weeks ago
So... your problem is that there aren't enough white people?
Why do you dislike immigrants ? Is it just their skin colour ? How about white immigrants ?
@@FreekinEkin2 Go to Abuja , Nigeria or Kingston , Jamaica or Ankara , Turkey for that matter and explain to them that their current situation where 98% of their people will share the same Culture will change to the extent that in 50 years time they will only produce 1-in-10 Births in that same Town or City and see what their response is and mine is , roughly , the same since my Mid 1960's Inner London upbringing. We were supposed a certain amount of immigration , which is fine , NOT be completely swamped in area after area. I went to A and E a while back and was the ONLY White/British Guy there out of around 80 people...
Go to Abuja , Nigeria or Kingston , Jamaica or Ankara , Turkey for that matter and explain to them that their current situation where 98% of their people will share the same Culture will change to the extent that in 50 years time they will only produce 1-in-10 Births in that same Town or City and see what their response is and mine is , roughly , the same since my Mid 1960's Inner London upbringing. We were supposed a certain amount of immigration , which is fine , NOT be completely swamped in area after area. I went to A and E a while back and was the ONLY White/British Guy there out of around 80 people...
With the pending “review” of employment legislation I wonder if they’re still so confident in their choice of party.
It was damage limitation voting Tory, not because they like them.
Labour are so obnoxious arrogant that they are unelectable.
It’s who you trust the least.
Labour have lost the plot
Its all down to culture. The north is still very culturally conservative. Nationalist, monarchist, anti immigration, not particularly well educated. Blair sent half of working class kids to uni where they started to question what patriotism means, dont agree with inherited privileged, have friends of other cultures and nationalities. Theres a cultural divide between the generations. The working classes dont really exist anymore. You have the old working class that are mostly retired and a new generation of service workers. Problem is Labour is still doing class politics.
Go woke go broke...even in politics.
You must go back in 3 years and interview the same people, I bet they will refuse to go on camera.
indeed betrayers of their class
Realists
@@kingneptune8937 don’t think they bothered! What’s the benefit of voting Tory/Refuk if you live in a place like Bolsover (or anywhere else, for that matter)?!?
If in 2016 Jezza had said those magic words "We're going to get brexit done" he'd be prime minister now
No he would not. Britain has never voted for left wing loonies like Corbyn and Foot. Not even Miliband.
@polak polak Lefties can never admit their failure. The solution is never to move to the centre it is always to become more extreme. Under Corbyn Labour returned their worst election result since 1935 and the Tories polled the highest % of the vote of any party since 1979. And this is after a ten year Tory administration.
The economic policies of Corbyn were from the nuthouse. The British electorate has always rejected extremists. Corbyn is just another Michael Foot.
@@Kaiserbill99 Of course Corbyn's a left-wing looney, but he took away Theresa Maybot's majority in 2017. However, the evidence suggests that his support in the north was already starting to waver not because he was an extremist, but because he was seen as obstructing brexit.
All he had to do was firmly state Brexit Here We Come.
Given his extremism, and the even greater extremism of some of his colleagues (McDonell's basically a communist) I guess we had a narrow escape.
@polak polak Corbyn only polled more votes than Blair did in 2005 because there was a significantly larger turnout in the last election. In terms of % share of the vote Corbyn was lower than Blair and 8% lower than his share of the vote in 2017.
And Blair was an incumbent in 2005 having been in office for 8 years whilst Corbyn was fighting a government that had been in office since 2010. An absolutely disastrous result.
@polak polak spelling; its not it's 🙂
Elite and middle-class cosmopolitan Liberal contempt for native whites - particularly the working class - is why this happened.
The British Working Class did not leave the Liebore party, they stabbed us in the back and threw us out !
Our labour lot best at collecting hated poll tax, many years later.. Best at collecting hated bedroom tax.. The slogan at time from our brothers, 'pay up or get out' ... Who to trust in politics these days.?
How?
If I didn’t know better, I would have thought this was the US election of 2016.
Yes, everybody in Texas has Derbyshire accents, err, keep up,
2024 or 2029 will be like the US election of 2020
The character skinner brought to the House of Commons was like no one else, especially the blackrod comments. Will never be anyone else like him. Supported his people till the end
Kinda like the acid tongued Tony Banks
Yeah not a Labour supporter but sad to see back of him tbh. One of the few decent left in modern Labour.
I get the feeling Dennis Skinner hasn't got long left for this world. I gather he never stayed around long after the result. It was almost as if he was relieved to have lost. He knew the score. If only Corbyn did too. Leave means leave,and now not a year/18 months down the road. The very idea of holding another referendum when the UK had already decided on what it wanted was the equivalent of that pointless unilateral nuclear disarmament policy that bogged Labour down for so long and made them look even more unelectable and untrustworthy than they already proved to be at the time
@@petergreen2552 Did he turn up for the count but then leave once he got wind he had lost? I know he had a hip replacement, its why he wasnt out campaigning. I believe Skinner said he would retire at 65? He should have stood down like his mate Ronnie Campbell up in Blythe Valley did.
@@BionicRasta I agree. How could he possibly serve as an MP at his age? I say a cut off age of 70 should be brought in for all who wish to sit in the Commons.
It just goes to show; voters can get it right eventually! Need to keep trying in my area though then we can kick out Hilary Benn! 96 years since we last had a Conservative MP! Outrageous!
@@euanbell912 Ha ha ha! What a load utter bull💩! The looney party have always been bad news! They trash economy! As for the minimum wage that caused other problems. I had a friend who worked at Pizza Hut over 20 years ago now. Before the minimum wage came in he was provided with free taxis home when finishing late. However, when the loony party introduced the minimum wage these were stopped because they had to pay more, so ultimately he was out of pocket! That’s the loony labour way isn’t it? And as for the human rights bollocks what a load of utter crap that’s been! It’s made it extremely difficult to deport undesirables. There’s several thousand of them living in this country and most if not all are on bloody benefits. Makes you sick! The looney party are finished. They won’t be back in power for decades, if ever, and I’m glad!
How did you feel in 1997?
@@MS-19 Sick and worried for Britain. How did you feel?
One thing that gave me a lift was winning Eurovision!
@nigelkthomas9501 I felt like the Conservative politician Annunziata Rees-Mogg: that after 18 years, the Conservative government was moribund and failing, and that the public had made the right decision by switching largely to Labour and the Liberal Democrats. Tony Blair led an effective administration for four years and deserved his second landslide in 2001; thereafter we saw that we had elected a con but it wasn't until 2010 that the electorate managed to settle things favourably again.
One has to accept that sometimes one is in the minority, as was the case for Conservatives in 1997. A fifth consecutive election victory was just not going to happen.
One must also accept that there's good and bad in every political party's agenda. Conservatives take with one hand as they give with the other; likewise Labour. Balancing the books is a tricky thing to do at any time.
@@MS-19 Shame it wasn’t a hung parliament in 1997. That way John Major would’ve be taught a lesson and loony labour wouldn’t have had full control.
Great video
If my vote counted for very little I would have left long ago. This is why I got out of West London. It is like Twitter incarnate.
You me both except it was SW London :)
@@raptorbullets Posh boy 😁
And now they got the traitor in charge Sir Kier 😂 😂 😂 😂
Traitor? 😂
@David McCallum how did he do that?
@David McCallum he? He wasn't even the reviewing lawyer for the case.
very professional video
I cant imagine how stupid everyone in this comment section must be feeling right now.
Born in Chesterfield, my personal history has always been conservative. As a schoolboy and student I was conservative and my leanings still today (74 years of age) have remained conservative. I am also a staunch BREXITEER and would have preferred my beloved British and Northern Irish homeland to have left the "eu" 3 years ago, immediately following the referendum, without any (fudgy) deals. I was typical as aschoolboy and student. My conservative youth years made me think I knew everything. I would listen to no one and nobody could convince me of anything outside that. However, over the years, the mellowing process has "kicked in" and I see the world, I think, more realistically. Things are less "black and white". As a result, I've developed a great respect - and admiration - for the character traits and sincerity I have witnessed among longer serving labour members of parliament. Two who spring to mind straight away are Dennis Skinner and Kate Hoey. Unfortunately, neither will be present as MP in this new 2019 session. Both have demonstrated a humane warmth and, where necessary, sympathy for the needs of traditional labour regions and their peoples. In Internet, I've watched quite a number of Mr. Skinner's activities and, in my view, he constantly radiates this warmth and sincerity towards his own history as a miner as well as towards those still active today in this profession. Ms. Hoey too, like Mr. Skinner, was and is a staunch BREXITEER and radiates equally a sincerity in contrast to the cold societies surrounding her. Hence I regret profoundly the absence of both. I'll be writing soon to each of them and, in the meantime, I wish them both well. Regards, Horatio Nelson.
@@Horatio-Nelson that’s a long paragraph, when you proved your stupidity in your first sentence.
more reason to never vote for the Labour Party again
The resounding message is that the people in Bolsover wanted a change.... so they voted for the party that has been in power for a decade and has imposed austerity on them for a decade. Ohhh-kayy!
It will be very hard to win these people back.
We can start by asking why they still haven’t got a job 5 years after Brexit and 1 year after end of FOM?
@@Pierrick2009 What if they angry with you and say, "That is why you lost last time. You are so superior!"
It's a very similar story in Blyth Valley where a Tory MP was elected for the first time here. I didn't vote Tory and was very skeptical at first, but Ian Levy has done 10* more in his short time here than the previous Labour MP did in decades. We're getting a train line built linking us to Newcastle, old schools are being rebuilt, a EV battery plant is on its way that will employ thousands in the area, main streets are receiving £millions in funding to be be renovated. We're finally getting funding the region has lacked for decades, voting Tory is the best thing to Blyth Valley.
This is very unlikely, the government is facing deficit crisis and long to rebuilding the economy. Like of governments of past its promises will shrink. Regional infrastructure development will be among the first casualties.
Labour lost millions of votes that they will never get back in under a decade if ever . Labour are the total opposite of what people want . Labour want more mass immigration , more multiculturism , more gender diversity , more ethnic diversity , they are pro Islam and pro EU . Labour MP's went against the wishes of the majority that wanted Brexit . Rather than admit the truth Labour blame all their failure upon anti-semitism . Corbyn preferred to loose many seats in the North for gaining 2 seats in London . Blair the Liar hijacked the Labour party and along with his cronies destroyed the Labour party and everything it stood for . It has never recovered as it recruited all the wrong people such as Chuckup Umunna . Labour are heading for extinction fast . Out of the ashes might rise two parties ,one of which will be made up of the few Labour back bench MP's who represent the working class and will continue to exist but a far smaller scale than in the past . The second party will consist of the front bench MP's and Labour hierarchy that the traditional Labour voters hate so much as all are self serving ego maniac liars who are only out to line their own pockets with no regard for the people they expect to vote for them . This party will be gone almost instantly
Some good journalism, rare to find
The real question is how did labour win a single vote?
Because they appealed to a great many voters, of course.
Momentum.. One word. Labour needs to ditch momentum and return to the people who trusted them.
Whatever the complaints against Labour the idea that the Tories can or even might represent the working class is such a hoot every owl from Lsnd's End to Iceland are hooting by night chuckling in their sleep.
Sheer indifference. Treat the voters like fools. Demand everyone conform to their way of thinking. That's Labour.
Labour made a ballsover of it.
Farage's strategy was right then..
The people who voted for Brexit were called stupid. They never forgot that and voted for the only party offering it. Corbyns manifesto with just few exceptions is what this country seriously needed. Capitalism needs checks and balances not allowed to run rampant.
"We needed a change" " so elected the Tories AGAIN!
Yep they’re really as stupid as they look
fuckfannyfiddlefart - They changed the party of their MP. Pay attention.
@@GH-oi2jf ?
They are referring to their own MP!
@Frozen Retro !
what they voted for?
They voted for an Extreme REXIT?
No, they didn't, or if they did they are ? Self harming IDIOTS.
Makes me sick. You should have a look what the party was founded on.
seems to be a lot of middle class city student types on hear chucking pointless insults about Northern class working class citizens ,very mature and grown up to be sure, proper good use of all the money they and there there Mummy and daddies paid for on uni fees
@@hermandadams ‘northern working class’ people are narrow, because they choose to be. Nothing admirable about them!
Not for the Many but for the few in London Glamour Circles 🤞😂
Starmer is screwed because none of these issues are being addressed
Rotherham has gone though. Labour has embraced Islam and despite its corruption has enough Muslims to keep them in power for good.
Rother Valley got rid of Labour, as same as Bolsover , old mining communities with few Muslims.
Although the reason for our nation been in such a mess is mainly a spiritual problem, not a political one. We have rejected Christianity and the Bible.
i wanna know are you glad now u have a torie mp in 2023 what have they done for you or the uk ?
They did sweet F A for the people of Bolsover in all the year's they had ower support.
I don't agree with you, Dennis Skinner, was a firm, honest, proud and principled man of the people. He fought everything honestly, and earnestly. Pulled no punches when attacking tory policy, for 45 years. There was no greater advocate for working mens rights than him.
You do a great disservice to a great man. A rarity, an honest politician.
Well if the majority of your constituents are like that babbling fool being interviewed at 4:00 then I don't think anyone could have helped you dear....
Watch these clowns complain about the Tories ignoring them the next 5 years. They absolutely deserve it.
Because hard working people here want to get ahead and give their kids a good life, good education, own a house, have good jobs. They don't care about Own Jones demanding people use certain pronouns and they got fed up of champagne socialists in London patronising them and telling them they are stupid. Labour totally lost the working class🇬🇧
Owen Jones isn't an MP?
Dennis Skinner is a working class brexiteer
Thank fuck
Having had former relatives who returned to live on a large estate,knowing there were no work opportunities in Bolsover..........there was no ambition,little education and frankly they had so little to offer,you would have wondered what they could do.
Can we have an episode were you ask why the tories lost the Broxtowe seat as well lol :D ;) priceless...
They won the seat
45 years as an MP... and what did he actually ever achieve ?
He voted for countless good things in parliament, hundreds opf things, look it up, and many were passed by Labour, which have helped countless people from jobs, to peace, to everything, and on top of that he was a great personality on the commons attacking the pomposity of the elite, which was great, Just imagine the Egyptian pharoahs, or Hitkler had had a character being that great, attacking their pomposity, SHAME ON BOLSOVER FOR THIS ACT OF TREASON and ervitude to the elite, they might as well beg at the knees of rees mogg, and all other Tory stockbrokers, and Etonian elites to be his slave,
@@mrsmith9031 I looked it up, he created nothing in all those years.
His major solo contributions ? he 'talked out' two proposed bills
@Datrén Aretstíkapha Exactly....the sad thing is, these 'Representatives' think the working class haven't figured them out - but we have
I can’t believe you could betray my brother Dennis Skinner like that!
Do get real. Oh sorry, you are a Socialist still living in La la land. Facing reality is not your bag.
Jon908584 I can’t tell if you are serious about my joke or if you are joking. Please learn how to take a joke. I merely said that because Dennis Skinner is funny and a laugh to watch!
@@chippin_in5015 he never did a thing for Boza and when his big moment came he ended up being the biggest turn coat ever his own doing
Imagine getting defeated so heavily, being utterly rejected, and then turning round and saying ‘ it’s not us it’s you!’ Labour won’t win again for decades. They betrayed the working class.
Do you realise how idiotic your analogy is? It's like if a place fed you a roast dinner for most of your life and then they give you less roast potatoes, so in anger you go to somewhere else that only gives you a slice of bread?
@@BelfastBoy Hahaha. You talk about idiotic analogies and then talk about roast potatoes?? Jesus you’re stupid.
@@thomasweir2834 I was trying to use an example that someone with your level of intelligence would understand, any more simple and I'd have to use crayons
@@BelfastBoy Hahahaha. Potatoes!!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@BelfastBoy Dial back the arrogance and frankly snobbery..