Sir, I cannot thank you enough for the information on this video. It has made a Powder Coating so much easier. The earth ground was exactly what I needed!
Sir, I have 4 quick questions: 1. What gauge wire did you use for ground? 2. How far from the house did you install the rod? 3. How far is your rod from your powder cabinet. 4. Where did you connect the ground wire at your cabinet?
Mike Carmody 1 I used green number 6. 2. It was about 2 feet. Just outside the drip line so the soil would get moisture. That creates a better ground. 3. I made a grounding bar and used it as a termination for the earth ground. Mostly because it was a little short. It could attach directly to the part if you wanted.
If I may add.... your earth ground, or copper grounding rods should be found at your local lowes or home depot. You want the full 8ft minus mabe an inch into the ground for best grounding abilities. You still need the last inch or so to attach your hardware for your wire. As he said, it is possible to get shocked, but only if you energize the system, and gr ouch the cup. This system is not a high amperage system. Wich is actually what you care about. Amps kill.... not volts. The same principle applies to tazers though these systems dont have that many volts either. It might be somewhat painful, but shouldn't hurt you either way. To avoid all this anyway, make sure your foot switch or trigger button is not engaged when you touch the cup/stand. The earth ground is so important becouse the more layers your electricity (voltage) has to travel through, the tougher it is to get your paint to look nice and smooth. I recently had some problems myself and ran into some separate issues. Some systems are single voltage, dual voltage and range.... I cannot adjust my voltage on my machine so I'm stuck with what I have until I upgrade
Hi! Where do you find the green/blue wires that you have? I'm trying to make sure I have all the correct parts. As far as I see in this video you have a grounding rod, the wire clamped to it, and then from that you have the green wire that goes to the part. Is this all that we need? Thank you.
Hi there, I have the dual voltage gun and earth installed. How do you apply the second coat? Do you use the 25 or 15kv for the setting and also when do apply the coat? Can the part be room temp or at a certain temp to apply the second coat? Thank you
Ke Fe it’s not ideal, but I’d try it first and if it’s not sufficient you can always add the grounding rod. Generally using the house ground isn’t enough.
Angela TwoSassy no, but it’s not an electric shock like from an outlet, it’s a static charge like walking around shuffling your feet in the winter. It’s shocking but not injurious.
Is there an issue with lighting striking the rod? Just had a tree blow up from a strike recently and now worried that if i do do this itll draw more strikes. Thank you
Junk Email I have never heard of lightning directly hitting the rod. Earth grounding systems help carry unexpected electrical charges from other sources away safely. For example, lightning strikes can energize components in houses. The earth grounding system can sometimes safely dissipate electricity from lightning. However, large lightning strikes will not be dissipated by a house grounding system.
I have one in the ground next to my electric box on the other end of the house and it is connected to my main water pipe in the basement with what looks to me a solid 1/8 in copper wire. Can just tap into it and be ok? Also what size of wire (Green) going to your booth?
I currently own the Harbor Freight powder coating gun system. This particular gun does not have dual voltage like the Eastwood system does. I want to do two toned cups but have been having trouble with the powder not adhering on the second coat . Has anyone had success applying two coats on a tumbler with the HF system after installing the Earth ground?
I actually have a Harbor Freight system I can try it with and without and see if there’s a difference. That said, it makes a huge difference with my other guns.
How well did this end up working for you? Specifically for dual coat applications? I have the Eastwood single voltage gun and do a little powder coating on the side for personal projects. I've noticed it's almost impossible to apply a second layer without heating the part up first. This makes it annoying for dual coats such as the candy red that I really like, which has a base coat of chrome. I installed an 8 ft earth grounding copper clad rod today but I've not tested it out. Unfortunately, I was only able to get the rod to go around 6.5 ft before I ran into some impenetrable rock and actually bent my rod trying to get it to bust through, but after researching about grounding rods for the past month, I still feel like it will be significantly better than the alligator clip ground supplied. I'll hopefully be testing it out sometime within the week. -Nick
@@ManCrafting Thanks for your reply. I got my wires ran and my work area cleaned up a bit today. Fingers crossed that I get to try it out tomorrow sometime.
Hey try Prismatic Powders Illusion series if you like the candy colors it's a bit more user friendly for the diyers. A gun with adjustable kv can really make a difference as well. Hope your figuring it out, the dual coats can be tricky.
Hello, there are two wires connected to the ground wire, one with a Blue sleeve terminal and the other with a Yellow sleeve. I noticed that the blue one goes directly to the base you use to place the cups, but what about the yellow one, where do you connect that one?
Chad absolutely love all your work. He asked the exact question I was wondering...so is that "blue sleeve terminal" used so that you don't have to get so much copper wire? And how do you attach it?
cbrivera1 at 1:23 I have made a Jerry rigged grounding bar. The reason is, I have more than one PC system. So rather than running all the systems to the stand I can run them to the grounding bar. The yellow goes to the stand and the blue wire goes to the powder coating stand. It just so happens one of my systems came with that setup.
The ground from the gun and the earth ground connect at the stand. There is probably a better way to do it, but this is working and I've not put time into thinking of a better way.
Tara Atwood did you install an earth ground or run it to an existing? What is the soil type? How deep is it? Is the ground dry? Did it stick better before?
+Paulina Ortiz maybe your ground is too dry. Try soaking the area around your ground rod. If that makes a difference, soak the ground prior to coating each time.
One thing I don't understand, an 10 feets solid copper tube in France is about 200$. An 10 feets hollow copper tube is about 15$. There is a big difference! Are we obliged to use copper tube? Your tube is hollow? Its looks like you have closed the top of the tube with pewter on this vid, when you put the grounding clamp, correct?
waymen lawrence it’s actually a grounding rod. It’s steel coated in copper with a built in clamp. Probably cheaper than a pipe and will actually be able to be driven down 8-10 feet.
Best $25 investment I've made since I made my initial investment to start powder coating cups, it's made applying powder easier with better results when attempting two coats or even three....keep up the awesome videos
@@ManCrafting I live in Norway so damp soil/ weather is not a problem. Lol. But do one really need to put it 8 ft into the ground? Say 6 feet down is not enough?? Thanks for the answer..
Lisa McClelland good question. You shouldn't need to call anyone since it's not part of your home electrical system. I would try to locate it as close to where your coating as possible. Less wire to run makes it cheaper and it should work a little better.
Sir, I cannot thank you enough for the information on this video. It has made a Powder Coating so much easier. The earth ground was exactly what I needed!
Mike Carmody awesome! Glad it’s helping. Thanks for taking the time to let me know.
Awesome. Need to install one for sure this weekend. I already do multiple coats but I wonder if it’ll help. Thanks
Awesome, this was really helpful
Sorry I never replied. Glad it helped.
what gauge of wire did you use for grounding
Good info for a beginner Thanks
Glad it helped.
Sir, I have 4 quick questions:
1. What gauge wire did you use for ground?
2. How far from the house did you install the rod?
3. How far is your rod from your powder cabinet.
4. Where did you connect the ground wire at your cabinet?
Mike Carmody 1 I used green number 6. 2. It was about 2 feet. Just outside the drip line so the soil would get moisture. That creates a better ground. 3. I made a grounding bar and used it as a termination for the earth ground. Mostly because it was a little short. It could attach directly to the part if you wanted.
Also kv adjustment helps
Indeed.
What's praise arthing rod
If I may add.... your earth ground, or copper grounding rods should be found at your local lowes or home depot. You want the full 8ft minus mabe an inch into the ground for best grounding abilities. You still need the last inch or so to attach your hardware for your wire. As he said, it is possible to get shocked, but only if you energize the system, and gr ouch the cup. This system is not a high amperage system. Wich is actually what you care about. Amps kill.... not volts. The same principle applies to tazers though these systems dont have that many volts either. It might be somewhat painful, but shouldn't hurt you either way. To avoid all this anyway, make sure your foot switch or trigger button is not engaged when you touch the cup/stand. The earth ground is so important becouse the more layers your electricity (voltage) has to travel through, the tougher it is to get your paint to look nice and smooth. I recently had some problems myself and ran into some separate issues. Some systems are single voltage, dual voltage and range.... I cannot adjust my voltage on my machine so I'm stuck with what I have until I upgrade
Thanks for the input. Yes. These are available at Home Depot and Lowe’s as well as other places that sell electrical supplies.
@@ManCrafting well I dont know everything, but what I do know, i will share with those who want to learn. Knowledge is power!!!
So weird question i powder coat in a steel building do you think grounding to the building would be as effective
I don't think so. The ground aka earth will dissipate the charge. I'm not sure that the building would have the same capacity.
Hi! Where do you find the green/blue wires that you have? I'm trying to make sure I have all the correct parts.
As far as I see in this video you have a grounding rod, the wire clamped to it, and then from that you have the green wire that goes to the part. Is this all that we need? Thank you.
That's all you need. This is the wire I used. amzn.to/2PSe2De
Hi there,
I have the dual voltage gun and earth installed. How do you apply the second coat? Do you use the 25 or 15kv for the setting and also when do apply the coat? Can the part be room temp or at a certain temp to apply the second coat?
Thank you
Use the lower KV Setting when applying the second coat.
I PC close to where my water main enters my garage. Would it work to just ground off the copper pipe?
Ke Fe it’s not ideal, but I’d try it first and if it’s not sufficient you can always add the grounding rod. Generally using the house ground isn’t enough.
How did you make that fancy turntable?
6 inch steel plate. Welded a tab to clip the ground to it, and added a 3 inch lazy susan bearing.
Does installing the earth ground keep you from getting shocked? I'm terrified to get shocked while powder coating. 😬
Angela TwoSassy no, but it’s not an electric shock like from an outlet, it’s a static charge like walking around shuffling your feet in the winter. It’s shocking but not injurious.
Is there an issue with lighting striking the rod? Just had a tree blow up from a strike recently and now worried that if i do do this itll draw more strikes. Thank you
Junk Email I have never heard of lightning directly hitting the rod. Earth grounding systems help carry unexpected electrical charges from other sources away safely. For example, lightning strikes can energize components in houses. The earth grounding system can sometimes safely dissipate electricity from lightning. However, large lightning strikes will not be dissipated by a house grounding system.
I have one in the ground next to my electric box on the other end of the house and it is connected to my main water pipe in the basement with what looks to me a solid 1/8 in copper wire. Can just tap into it and be ok? Also what size of wire (Green) going to your booth?
John David don't ask me why, but a dedicated grounding rod makes it better.
Also I used 6 gauge.
Ok good video. I got confused at 1:31/3:14 what is the set up inside the building that you are showing. Is that another ground?
Renseiha Odum it’s a ground bar. So I can attach more than one powdercoating system to the same grounding rod.
Thanks for help!
I currently own the Harbor Freight powder coating gun system. This particular gun does not have dual voltage like the Eastwood system does. I want to do two toned cups but have been having trouble with the powder not adhering on the second coat . Has anyone had success applying two coats on a tumbler with the HF system after installing the Earth ground?
I actually have a Harbor Freight system I can try it with and without and see if there’s a difference. That said, it makes a huge difference with my other guns.
ManCraftingTM I would appreciate hearing if 2 coats works with the HF system and the Earth ground. Thank you
Yvonne Villa sorry I’m out of town. I have a class until Tuesday.
I think you're mistaken. Your house system has an earthground by code. Usually a 4 to 6' earthground near the meter
What am I mistaken about?
How well did this end up working for you? Specifically for dual coat applications? I have the Eastwood single voltage gun and do a little powder coating on the side for personal projects. I've noticed it's almost impossible to apply a second layer without heating the part up first. This makes it annoying for dual coats such as the candy red that I really like, which has a base coat of chrome. I installed an 8 ft earth grounding copper clad rod today but I've not tested it out. Unfortunately, I was only able to get the rod to go around 6.5 ft before I ran into some impenetrable rock and actually bent my rod trying to get it to bust through, but after researching about grounding rods for the past month, I still feel like it will be significantly better than the alligator clip ground supplied. I'll hopefully be testing it out sometime within the week.
-Nick
I have the dual voltage and it made a big difference.
@@ManCrafting Thanks for your reply. I got my wires ran and my work area cleaned up a bit today. Fingers crossed that I get to try it out tomorrow sometime.
Hey try Prismatic Powders Illusion series if you like the candy colors it's a bit more user friendly for the diyers. A gun with adjustable kv can really make a difference as well. Hope your figuring it out, the dual coats can be tricky.
do you also use the ground that comes with the PC?
I do.
Sir, where can I get the earth ground rod?
Mike Carmody in the electrical section of any hardware store.
Hello, there are two wires connected to the ground wire, one with a Blue sleeve terminal and the other with a Yellow sleeve. I noticed that the blue one goes directly to the base you use to place the cups, but what about the yellow one, where do you connect that one?
The other was coming from a second powder coating system on top of the booth.
Chad absolutely love all your work. He asked the exact question I was wondering...so is that "blue sleeve terminal" used so that you don't have to get so much copper wire? And how do you attach it?
cbrivera1 at 1:23 I have made a Jerry rigged grounding bar. The reason is, I have more than one PC system. So rather than running all the systems to the stand I can run them to the grounding bar. The yellow goes to the stand and the blue wire goes to the powder coating stand. It just so happens one of my systems came with that setup.
Chad, did you connect this to the gun somehow or just to the workpiece? A lot to ask, but could you share info on that connection? Thanks in advance!
The ground from the gun and the earth ground connect at the stand. There is probably a better way to do it, but this is working and I've not put time into thinking of a better way.
ManCraftingTM if it ain't broke, right?
+Howard Camardelle it's always broke. lol. There is always a better way.
I see two wires coming off that clamp this is what confuses me
I tried this to day how ever the powder isn't sticking to the 1st layer. What am I doing wrond
Tara Atwood did you install an earth ground or run it to an existing? What is the soil type? How deep is it? Is the ground dry? Did it stick better before?
What happened to your Harley Davidson cup? Looks like you peeled the stickers off before the paint flowed completely.
I don’t recall. I think I waited too long or hit the powder with the tool. Maybe it wasn’t cool enough. It’s been awhile.
ManCraftingTM It happens to the best of us!
I did the ground like you explained but it still not sticking to my two tone please help.
Are you preheating your cups?
+ManCraftingTM yes I really don't know what I'm doing wrong
+Paulina Ortiz maybe your ground is too dry. Try soaking the area around your ground rod. If that makes a difference, soak the ground prior to coating each time.
Where did you get the orange cup with the carabiner?
betos2012 I got it from one of those adds on FB or Instagram. It was plain stainless and I powdercoated it.
One thing I don't understand, an 10 feets solid copper tube in France is about 200$.
An 10 feets hollow copper tube is about 15$.
There is a big difference!
Are we obliged to use copper tube?
Your tube is hollow? Its looks like you have closed the top of the tube with pewter on this vid, when you put the grounding clamp, correct?
Gray-Fox good question. The ground is copper clad. So the majority is steel just coated in copper.
ManCraftingTM ok thanks! If I use an hollow copper tube do you think its ok?
So all you do is stick a copper pipe in the ground and wrap a wire around the pipe and run it to what ever your powder coating?
waymen lawrence it’s actually a grounding rod. It’s steel coated in copper with a built in clamp. Probably cheaper than a pipe and will actually be able to be driven down 8-10 feet.
ManCraftingTM I just picked up an 8ft rod and hammered it into the ground it got tough near the end
waymen lawrence that should make a big difference.
Best $25 investment I've made since I made my initial investment to start powder coating cups, it's made applying powder easier with better results when attempting two coats or even three....keep up the awesome videos
Which powder coat system do you use?
What if there is alot of rocks in the ground..Lol
Try to find a spot where you can avoid the rocks or the ground is at least damp.
@@ManCrafting I live in Norway so damp soil/ weather is not a problem. Lol. But do one really need to put it 8 ft into the ground? Say 6 feet down is not enough?? Thanks for the answer..
@@keemoify I think 6 feet would work just fine.
ok...I'm such a girl so please don't laugh...do I need to call someone before I attempt this? does it matter where I put the grounding rod?
Lisa McClelland good question. You shouldn't need to call anyone since it's not part of your home electrical system. I would try to locate it as close to where your coating as possible. Less wire to run makes it cheaper and it should work a little better.
ManCraftingTM thank you so much!