By this logic anything which doesn't immediately capture the goldfish audience's attention will get axed, which means a lot of great stories with potential would never be finished. Overall quality of shows will keep reducing because creators would be afraid of experimentation. Relying on blind algorithms to judge something as subjective as art is fatal to art and creativity. Netflix needs to stop having original content they are unlikely to fully commit to, or else stop having original content entirely. I know I wouldn't watch anything on Netflix unless it's definitively completed.
That's the point right there, creators being afraid of experimentation like you mentioned. Instead relying on stats and algorithms to tell them what needs to happen next instead of letting people discover and build that viewership. Netflix is so worried about their investors that's it's affecting their entire model.
Dark was pretty slow starting as well because of all the set up it had to do. But the things started unraveling it was a rollercoaster ride that I couldn’t stop bingeing. Sometimes stories just need enough time to unravel. If networks just go for the same type of short attention spanned shows it’s really killing the art form and prevents creators from making deeper materials. It’s really short sighted for companies to only go for short term gains. Netflix could have had a unique IP only they had but instead they pump out a bunch of forgettable reality shows that’s been done a million times before by other networks.
@@JonAutomates there are actually good resources for further study on this: The Escapist’s made a video about the writers crisis, emphasizing how the current production culture & volume leaves a lack in experienced writers. Leaving inexperienced ones to fend for themselves in an environment that doesn’t promote growth There’s an article from one of Wired arguing that Netflix keeps a rotation of quick cancellation & new shows because new shows can act as a new marketing material for potential new subscribers, meanwhile older shows won’t and considered expendable Matt Damon has talked about how the lack of physical media sales, that was able to directly financially support a project caused in distributors being more risk averse now And there’s a compelling hypothesis by a former media journalist that asserts Netflix may be shying away from S2 renewals because doing so remove their obligation from paying residuals & royalties I can provide you the links if you allow it. I’m not sure what the moderation rules here are
@@AlluckyTV Thats the problem. It wasn't the ending. It was just the beginning of a 3 season long show. It's like you would say Matrix ended as soon as Neo "woke up".
1899 didn't feel like a slow burn to me because i was hooked instantly. there's many clues a long the way; some i didn't pick up until i rewatched it. it's one of the best shows i've seen and i wish netflix didn't set it up to fail. it could have been the new lost.
The problem isn't that 1899 was a slow paced mystery story where audiences had to pay attention and wait for answers. The problem is that today's audiences are so accustomed to warp speed/instant gratification media now. Attention spans have become ridiculously short these days.
Yup, just make a series where some random girl will twerk for 45 minutes and will be a success, renewed for 45 seasons. There's a lot of primitive brains out there.
As much as I disliked the ending or the idea behind the finale. I would still have loved to see the second season which I believed would have been better than the first
I understand them, but I find it just wrong. Some shows need time before people discover them, you can't see everything in first week when it's released, people just don't have time for watching everything they've just released. They should wait longer time before they make a decision to cancel it, at least 2 or 3 months, not 28 days. And I am one of those people who think that releasing all episodes at once is wrong, they should do it as TVs and other streaming services, becuase they release everything in one day and hype will die soon because of that, when you have classic shows with one episode every week, people speak about that for months, there are videos on youtube about each episode, speculations about how it ends and if some character survives or something, I totaly miss these things when it comes to Netflix shows because of their all at once model. Just imagine release all episodes of let's say Walking Dead at once, that would be really weird. And also, Netflix should allow to broadcast some of their shows in classic TVs or other streaming services when it's not popular enough on Netflix, many people just don't watch any streaming services and some show could be a hit in classic TV.
Wholeheartedly agree. A lot of the time the super hyped stuff is too in the face for me whereas I like more subtle stuff than this but that's nearly always underestimated.
It didn't feel like a slow burn to me because I was enjoying it so much at the time and was so hyped, but rewatching yeah It was very slow and I can understand if people didn't like it.
@@CapitainOne true. It truly feels like audiences these days can’t be bothered watching shows that force them to actually think about the storyline, pick up on different clues and wait until the mystery unfolds. Sadly, that means that great shows like 1899 get cancelled. They should have at least given us season 2 as so many questions were left unanswered.
I call 1899 "Television for Thinking People." Not unlike Station Eleven and others of the like. We live in an age where people want instant gratification and would prefer to not have to think for themselves.
Whenever someone likes a failed program, they always insist the rest of us dislike it because we are less sophisticated than they are. That if somehow we were more cerebral, we would see what they see. Here is what I saw as a viewer. A decent premise, but hardly groundbreaking. The "we are in a simulation", story line is hardly new. I did find the special effects in 1899 to be excellent. But whatever potential this show had was squandered by horrible pacing and absurdly dark cinematography. Ok, you want it to look foreboding, I get it, but not every scene needs to look like it was shot in a broom closet. I tend to be a very patient viewer. I do not mind a slow build and mysteries that take time to solve. But dont waste my time either. How much wandering of corridors, compartments, and hidden environments must we endure before you begin getting to the point? Apparently 4 episodes worth is the answer. I have no problem with people who enjoyed this program. I only become annoyed when fans of a show talk down to anyone who dislikes it. Essentially they are saying , "I love 1899, and if you don't, you're stupid!" .....Or maybe you are just less demanding of a show than I am.
If something's gonna make me cancel my Netflix sub then it's shit like this. Now that 1899's been axed, Sandman is the only thing keeping me but I'm pretty sure they'll cancel that after S2 as well -then I'm out for good.
I had only watched the 1st two episodes I was meaning to get back to it but Netflix kept releasing movies and other things I wanted to watch and then I found out it was cancelled same thing happened with Archive 81 and the midnight club still haven't finished those because I found out they cancelled so what's the point I mostly watch movies now because of this 🥺
This show is beyond the comprehension of the masses... People are fickle and low energy... Only older more mature spirits can appreciate the captivation of this show by relation. Those that aren't entertained nor intrigued simply can't relate, they aren't chosen.
Yeah reckon they're the same people who hated on Parasite when it won the Oscar and not it's boring competitors. Lalaland for example wasn't anything I hadn't seen before. It's aesthetics and all but that was just about it. Pretty sure I saw something like that in an indie film before or Asian cinema!
I really want to believe the creators of this show are teasing us and next year they will reveal a new series called 2099 lol. No seriously, way before this show was cancelled I thought about what if next season takes place on the space ship, then it would be ridiculous to call it 1899. Then I imagined them making a new show called 2099 so it would make sense. I had so many crazy theories running through my head lol. That’s how hooked I was on this show. When I saw it was cancelled, all those theories and questions were replaced by dread. I have lost all faith in Netflix to keep a good series running.
I love to give series the benefit of the doubt. I started watching the first episode today cuz my sister convinced me to give it a try. I almost gave up half way but decided to continue. I ended up very intrigued at the end. I just feel like people aren’t as open minded anymore and only go for the same cookie cutter series about love, drama, etc. Those are fun too but let’s give SiFi a chance.
Strongly disagree. It did start slow but from episode 4-5 onwards the pace of revelations and new mysteries was almost on par with Dark S2 if not S3. Where it absolutely failed for me and I'm guessing with a lot more people was that the revelations lost their impact because ultimately I didn't care about any of the characters. Dark was even slower than this but the time it took was invested in character development, so people went along for the ride.
as the show "progressed", it lost depth and weight, and as you said, impact. they started relying on twists, tricks, "mystery", shock, confusion, etc. many of which we have seen in dozens of movies and shows so far. this is why characters became annoying, and we couldnt care less anymore. I knew that whatever "booo hoooo" ending it's gonna have, it will still not live up to my visceral hunger for, paradoxically psychological substance.
@@ThePitchblueare you talking about dark? Because i honestly think the twists were mind blowing, even if they were similar to every character, but how they connected everything was amazing. The family tree for example is crazy. Maybe in season 3 they derailed the story a little but i couldn't imagine another way to end that mindfuck
Breaking Bad didn't get popular until the end, and it's known as one of the greatest shows of all time. Imagine if AMC canceled it after the first season...
I loved the dynamic of different languages being spoken at once, the people trying to communicate with each other etc. and the characters are really engaging. I'm not a fan of the whole simulation story thing, but I don't mind as long as I like the characters.
If Netflix only want to make "Easy to watch" shows for npc audience. Just sell the ip, you are not making any money right? In fact you are burning money so why even keep em in your precious servers? Sell those unfinished IPs to get some M.. Sell them to anyone prime video, apple tv+ or even shudder would be good. My god the short videos have destroyed the attention span of everyone.
My only problem with this show was the ending of season one. SPOILERS BELOW!!! The “it’s all a dream” slash “it’s all a simulation” cliche just felt so cheap.
You literally learn that it's a simulation by like episode 4 or 5. It's only directly stated later. It's not "cheap" because it's foreshadowed and built up to. The type of "cliche" you are referencing is only bad when it means that nothing matters in the end because "it's just a dream" or "just a simulation." If anything, the ending of 1899 showed that there is even MORE at stake than what would have been otherwise, the implications are massive.
I thought this show moved along rather briskly in the first few episodes. How was it a slow burn?? I thought the setting itself, on a steamship, was eye catching, intriguing and claustrophobic and added to the tension buildup in the first few episodes.
What do you mean this day and age? Dark has been more or less the same day and age and took quite a while to catch on internationally. I'd even say that 1899 is faster paced and less of a slow burn than dark. Though the seemingly lesser complexity of 1899 is a bit of a turndown, though i had it on my watchlist before i knew that it was from the same creators.
This is also the problem with the traditional Hollywood franchise when the studios relies the decision if they will ever make a sequel based on the performance of the movie. Why can't they just follow what Disney is doing and that is giving the audience a real promise of investments on their franchise and actually promising and delivering multiple sequels no matter what will be the performance of the current installment. Like in the mcu. They didn't cancelled the MCU when The Incredible Hulk underperforms. They continue until the audience and fans became invested in the mcu.
Andor was slower than this yet got huge praise. Personally I disliked Andor but loved 1899. I don’t think pacing was the problem as some say. This show deserves another season or two, it was brilliant.
I love dark and i loce 1899.. but making a show slow like this doesn't mean being great director. A good director knows how to tell a long story in the right number of episodes. I really think dark could last half of the time used. Same for 1899. In italy we say "allungare il brodo" put water in the soup to make it last longer...
8 episodi sembrano tanti? Boh io sono uno che apprezza le riprese statiche che creano ambiente, non avrebbe trasmesso lo stesso effetto senza quel tipo di regia un po' piú lenta
Wow this is one of my favorite shows, it’s sad and frustrating that they cancelled it and they really should take it off Netflix all together. I’m on episode 4, I’m hooked and I find out it’s cancelled.
That causes problems for people who haven't seen the show or other shows that have been cancelled, because a lot of times they may not want to invest time in something they know won't continue, assuming they're aware of the cancellation.
So, Is this another one to pin on the snowflake generation? Damn! I was so into the show, waiting for them to tie-down all the questions... ugh! people these days don't like to think, or wait to have all the facts.
Does anyone think the Netfix powers that be watch the videos about their shows or read the comments. It would serve them to do so but I doubt they would do that much work. In fact , I want to know what executives actually do that makes them have a salary so high that it would pay for the second season alone. Does anyone know? I say, cancel an executive or CEO and use that money to make season 2!
Just finished this. It was fantastic! Sucks they won't have a season 2... I love odd mystery shows like this that make you think and say what...... Kind of reminded me of the Truman Show and Cabin in the woods.
The main problem is that the show doesn't care enough to make viewers invested in the characters. I didn't care what happened to any of them, feels like they all have a past they regret and.. that's it.. Additionally, people kinda know when they're just lead on without the show having clear rules set in stone. It's like inception where they add something new to it each episode.. reminds me of the south park episode "a taco, inside a taco, within a taco bell, inside a kfc, within a mall, that's inside your dream!"
Hot take: 1899 got canceled because it was bad. Plot was too confusing, characters not relatable, only got more confusing as time went on, ended on a massive cliffhanger that made everything more confusing and answered nothing. Very much unlike Dark. At the end of season 1 of Dark, we have at least *some* of our questions answered, we know that characters are traveling through time and the mechanism by which they travel. In 1899 we're literally just as clueless as to what's really going on by the finale as we are in episode 1, and that was a massive, massive oversight on part of the writers.
@@GladiatorDude17 I can think of at least one way season 1 could have concluded that would've been less frustrating for the viewer: If they succinctly answered the question of whether they are in fact still in or are not inside the simulation. Or, if they didn't want to reveal this, they could have revealed what the true relationship was between Maura and Daniel, or Elliot. Season 1 just opens way too many questions and provides almost no answers, so the viewer is left wondering what the point was. If none of the major questions are answered in season 1, why not just skip it and start the show at season 2?
@@GlassesAndCoffeeMugs There are many major questions answered in season 1, they can't just reveal everything at the beginning, they were only one third through the story for Christ sake. If anything, they revealed too much, not too little. Her bother literally said: "Welcome to reality" at the end. I don't think they would have had multiple levels of simulations like a Rick and Morty episode, I think things were much clearer than you perhaps think. But I guess we'll never know.
@@GladiatorDude17 It's funny because I remember numerous discussions after the end of the first season and essentially nobody thought they were out of the simulation yet. We don't *really* know if they're out or if it's just another layer, the show made heavy usage of symbolism involving 3's, it was a 3 season series, the first season takes place in 1899 and the second season 2099 so the speculation was "reality" was in fact 1999 and the space ship was a simulation of the future. All this to say, these questions weren't succinctly answered. I don't need everything answered. But like I said, I think Dark was so successful because there were a steady drip of answers with every season. They didn't leave it to the viewer to figure out at the end of season 1 if they were really time traveling or not, they made it clear they WERE in fact time traveling.
Damn just finished it.. I think the plot should have paced a bit faster.. The consistent need for Maura to do circles was weird. Would have helped them capture those more short attention spans, as well. I'm sad there isn't another season but once the last episode exploded, I understood why I was a year late to this party. The ending just made the rest feel unnecessarily slow. Black mirror episode that became a season.
There are many people watch a show bcz everyone I remember when I was watching dark and may friend were and after it gets hot dark is best show of all time yada yada. We all dark s3 was not very good but people are so afraid these days these days that no one talked about this. For me 1899 was not organic from first scene we are told it will be a mindbender but in dark in starting everything was normal which really helped but i also watched 1899 .
Breaking Bad and Seinfeld really didn't do well in the beginning, yet they're being hailed as some of the best shows of all time. You know, if you throw your child off a cliff the first time it fails an exam, that's a problem.
It was a solid show with some great moments. But I've come to despise the "For next time" approach to story telling. I understand, they're trying to convince the audience to return for future seasons and films. But it ultimately means you're left with a lackluster story when there is no next time. I blame Netflix's show runners, I also blame the creators of this show. Perhaps instead of constantly raising new questions, they should have answered the ones established near the beginning to create a more complete experience. I know I'm going to get a lot of hate for saying this, but writers need to focus on the season or film they're writing, rather than dedicating half their effort to trying to sell me on the next one.
@@GladiatorDude17 I have patience when there's potential. I despise the tune in next movie/episode approach to story telling. It's ruined modern writing. So many interesting ideas and tales broken up and fractured because countless show runners wanted to withhold said information to future seasons that never come. Give people a self contained story that's satisfying by itself, that can be expanded in future films or seasons. So many writers these days flush out content with a flurry of new questions that are never answered because the show gets canceled.
@@GladiatorDude17 Case in point, The Blacklist, the writers just kept coming up with twists and new plot threads that they never resolved. That show started out great, and ended as hot garbage.
@@themidnighttavern6784 I can respect if you think 1899 didn't have the potential. But so many great stories would have never been made if nobody ever took a chance on a longer story that is told over multiple installations.
@@GladiatorDude17 I love longer stories when the people backing the project are committed to it long term. It's the projects with unclear futures where that approach bothers me. For instance, I'm not a huge fan of comic book films, but as someone who's had all the Avengers movies spoiled for me, it seems like they have a decent central story and character development running across multiple films. They'd ask questions and withhold answers for later movies. But it worked, because you knew Marvel was going to go through with making that next installment. They weren't just gonna cancel the next film and leave their audience dissatisfied. But so many smaller projects are being canceled these days, especially more out there project like 1899. You're always walking a tight rope of doing great one minute, and being canceled the next, and many show runners know this. So it just felt foolish to me to set up all these things we'll never get the answers to. I didn't hate 1899, it had some great atmosphere and a fun setting. I was very invested in it for the first few episodes. But I figured out the primary twist relatively early on, and desperately didn't want it to be that. As it became more and more clear that was the direction they were going in, I lost interest.
I gave it 4 episodes and then checked out. I'm all for a slow burn but this wasn't even lit. I j ust got bored of watching people walk down corridors or stare into the distance and story telling that was just a series of unending unanswered questions created to keep your interest. It didn't and II'm glad it got cancelled. What a waste of a premise.
If you do like I did, it's not a slow burn at all ! ...you just have to binge-watch all episodes. It's 4 AM now but I REGRET NOTHING. More seriously, i'm fine with the cancellation. The big reveal at the end was fine but far from unique or mind-bending. And the power couple behind 1899 and Dark (Baran bo Odar and Jantje Friese) will have a new project in no time. :)
Soon people will stop making shows like these because today's generation has an attention span of a goldfish. There are so many shows that Netflix has cancelled which were so great but slow. This generation did find patience to watch a terrific show like mindhunter and I am pretty sure many successful shows of the last decade wouldn't stand a chance today because people just cant watch slow shows
I think it was canceled because a Brazilian comic artist Mary Cagnin denounced Netflix for plagiarizing one of her comics, entitled "Black Silence" (2016). She was at the Gothenburg book fair in 2017 and promoted her work to several publishers.
I read further into that and it's still up in the air on whether that was true or not since so many people have different accounts on that issue. Although having looked at her work, it is suspect to say the least. That being said I don't think Netflix would have cancelled 1899 if it turned out to be there no.1 show, regardless of any claims.
In my opinion 1899 should've been a movie instead. Not a series. That was the problem. Would've captured the audience more. Even myself watching the first 2 episodes was so boring. Cuz of the slow pace. Remember folks is always about the views. Production companies are not charities. 1899 had a budget of $60M dollars. NETFLIX ACTUALLY LOST MONEY. When the TV series Squid Game premiered. That first week it had 572M views. Budget was $21M dollars. Profit was $900M DOLLARS !!! 🤯 It did set a record. Stranger Things coming in 2nd place & in 3rd place Wednesday.
Actually it’s funny cause they DID have mad diversity in this series. Not only different ethnicities, but several different languages!!! That is SO rare to see in television.
I didn't drop off because of a slow burn. I dropped off because it's a mystery box show with an unreliable narrator. Tropes that are used WAY too much in bad media to pretend they are brilliant stories, when they are simply not very interesting. I have long since lost faith in TV writers ability to use these concepts/tropes well (or even competently).
@@dreamsteddybearsmaster Movies use this trope more than TV because it basically is setting up a twist. Not a lot of shows attempt it because done poorly (which it usually is) it basically negates everything the viewer sees. Viewers forgive this in films because it's exploring the point of view of a mentally ill person as a character study. Which can be interesting. But for TV shows, more hours, more characters...it is hard to do it properly. . Examples in film: A Beautiful Mind, Shutter Island, American Psycho, and Big Fish. Examples in TV: Legion, Dexter, Dollhouse, Mr. Robot, Sherlock, and Perception
Great writing, great acting, great storyline. all the 👉👈 sword fighting was not needed or necessary and made a 5 star show a negative 1 star show. Grow up movie makers and stop pushing your personal agendas on the general public.
This show was Meh and i figured half the plot twists halfway through. i knew it was simulation crap, the creepy man and the kid were related to the woman, and ofcourse she was a snowflake
Way too many deviant sadistic sex scenes that were way too long .People get the point without having to make the scenes so drawn out . I enjoyed it at first but it just got to be too appalling for me.
That's the harsh reality but it happens too often than not but yeah I get what ya mean. Other shows where I feel my IQ dropping get way too much hype but
This show was BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORING. It's not about instant gratification at all. Its about the fact that the "story" was streteched out, with dialog where they repeat themselves and where the dialog is stupid, and the behaviors of the characters is stupid bordering on pointless. One or two episodes of that shit I can tolerate, but this was six episodes which were just above garbage enough that I wanted to see, hope and pray that the story improved to the point where it wasn't pointless. This was very much like another movie on netflix where the traveler inside a space object woke up and found out they were in a space capsule. In 1899, that took six hours of pointless rambling dialog and story which sucked, and 2 episodes where it was actually getting good. LOST never sucked like this, Walking Dead never sucked like this, even in their slow periods, there were events and actions, 1899 is a snoozefest to be avoided. This is nothing like DARK which is a masterpiece of story telling and mystery. There are similarities in the music and storytelling the writing... "Never Forget" "Never believe anything else" But DARK was far better done, with so much more story. 1899 was a 90 minute movie stretched in to 8 hours of BOREDOM
By this logic anything which doesn't immediately capture the goldfish audience's attention will get axed, which means a lot of great stories with potential would never be finished. Overall quality of shows will keep reducing because creators would be afraid of experimentation. Relying on blind algorithms to judge something as subjective as art is fatal to art and creativity. Netflix needs to stop having original content they are unlikely to fully commit to, or else stop having original content entirely. I know I wouldn't watch anything on Netflix unless it's definitively completed.
That's the point right there, creators being afraid of experimentation like you mentioned. Instead relying on stats and algorithms to tell them what needs to happen next instead of letting people discover and build that viewership. Netflix is so worried about their investors that's it's affecting their entire model.
Dark was pretty slow starting as well because of all the set up it had to do. But the things started unraveling it was a rollercoaster ride that I couldn’t stop bingeing. Sometimes stories just need enough time to unravel. If networks just go for the same type of short attention spanned shows it’s really killing the art form and prevents creators from making deeper materials. It’s really short sighted for companies to only go for short term gains. Netflix could have had a unique IP only they had but instead they pump out a bunch of forgettable reality shows that’s been done a million times before by other networks.
@@JonAutomates it was cancelled because Netflix got a demand by a artist from brasil
@@JonAutomates there are actually good resources for further study on this:
The Escapist’s made a video about the writers crisis, emphasizing how the current production culture & volume leaves a lack in experienced writers. Leaving inexperienced ones to fend for themselves in an environment that doesn’t promote growth
There’s an article from one of Wired arguing that Netflix keeps a rotation of quick cancellation & new shows because new shows can act as a new marketing material for potential new subscribers, meanwhile older shows won’t and considered expendable
Matt Damon has talked about how the lack of physical media sales, that was able to directly financially support a project caused in distributors being more risk averse now
And there’s a compelling hypothesis by a former media journalist that asserts Netflix may be shying away from S2 renewals because doing so remove their obligation from paying residuals & royalties
I can provide you the links if you allow it. I’m not sure what the moderation rules here are
don't insult goldfish they are called tiktok audience
I'm honestly so sick of the lack of commitment to completing literally any of their stories
What do you mean. 1899 was just another “you’re in a simulation” ending. There’s zero questions left to answer
@@AlluckyTV But how many simulations are there and we wanna find out how much of the simulation isn't real and why Ciaran is doing what he is!
watch the show dont google it.
We didn't see its ending@@AlluckyTV
@@AlluckyTV Thats the problem. It wasn't the ending. It was just the beginning of a 3 season long show.
It's like you would say Matrix ended as soon as Neo "woke up".
1899 didn't feel like a slow burn to me because i was hooked instantly. there's many clues a long the way; some i didn't pick up until i rewatched it. it's one of the best shows i've seen and i wish netflix didn't set it up to fail. it could have been the new lost.
Exactly! The same setup as lost with the whole mystery box narrative. Goddamn Netflix.
Watch dark
@@N44876 Dark is fantastic! I'm so happy Netflix gave it 3 seasons to tell the full story.
@@aimflossyruss they gave it 3 seasons before they even dropped the 1st I heard
@@N44876 1899 also wanted three seasons 😭
The problem isn't that 1899 was a slow paced mystery story where audiences had to pay attention and wait for answers.
The problem is that today's audiences are so accustomed to warp speed/instant gratification media now. Attention spans have become ridiculously short these days.
Omg This!
Tik-tok brain. All they can focus on is 15 second clips over and over again for 4 hours.
@@amberarnold8547 now UA-cam is doing the same thing. Really hate it
Yup, just make a series where some random girl will twerk for 45 minutes and will be a success, renewed for 45 seasons. There's a lot of primitive brains out there.
the marvel ppl
I need to know how season 2 would have been. I was so f* invested 😭
Same! So many questions that need to be answered 😭
Same bro😫
felt this one way too hard
Same 😢
Slow burns need build up.
Netflix should had released 2 episodes a week. Like HBO does.
Otherwise normal people should get hella overwhelmed. Sadly.
yea like game of thrones
As much as I disliked the ending or the idea behind the finale. I would still have loved to see the second season which I believed would have been better than the first
Agreed.
I understand them, but I find it just wrong. Some shows need time before people discover them, you can't see everything in first week when it's released, people just don't have time for watching everything they've just released. They should wait longer time before they make a decision to cancel it, at least 2 or 3 months, not 28 days.
And I am one of those people who think that releasing all episodes at once is wrong, they should do it as TVs and other streaming services, becuase they release everything in one day and hype will die soon because of that, when you have classic shows with one episode every week, people speak about that for months, there are videos on youtube about each episode, speculations about how it ends and if some character survives or something, I totaly miss these things when it comes to Netflix shows because of their all at once model. Just imagine release all episodes of let's say Walking Dead at once, that would be really weird. And also, Netflix should allow to broadcast some of their shows in classic TVs or other streaming services when it's not popular enough on Netflix, many people just don't watch any streaming services and some show could be a hit in classic TV.
Wholeheartedly agree. A lot of the time the super hyped stuff is too in the face for me whereas I like more subtle stuff than this but that's nearly always underestimated.
Dark took some time for ppl to discover, like what was Netflix even thinking????
Let's not forget that breaking bad was underviewed before season 3-4 and fortunately they never canceled it
Sense8 and The OA cancellation still hurt till this day. It is a shame this story has ended.
At least Sense8 got a final.
Anne with an a was cancelled too and it was very popular
It didn't feel like a slow burn to me because I was enjoying it so much at the time and was so hyped, but rewatching yeah It was very slow and I can understand if people didn't like it.
Still better than Riverdale or Twilight but or a lot of weird shit that people love. Trash but its what appeals to the masses
1899 was breath of fresh air after so much super hero shiiitt
Childish audience, childish shows, unfortunately ...
@@CapitainOne true. It truly feels like audiences these days can’t be bothered watching shows that force them to actually think about the storyline, pick up on different clues and wait until the mystery unfolds. Sadly, that means that great shows like 1899 get cancelled. They should have at least given us season 2 as so many questions were left unanswered.
I call 1899 "Television for Thinking People." Not unlike Station Eleven and others of the like. We live in an age where people want instant gratification and would prefer to not have to think for themselves.
Marvel.
Hard agree.
Whenever someone likes a failed program, they always insist the rest of us dislike it because we are less sophisticated than they are. That if somehow we were more cerebral, we would see what they see. Here is what I saw as a viewer. A decent premise, but hardly groundbreaking. The "we are in a simulation", story line is hardly new. I did find the special effects in 1899 to be excellent. But whatever potential this show had was squandered by horrible pacing and absurdly dark cinematography. Ok, you want it to look foreboding, I get it, but not every scene needs to look like it was shot in a broom closet. I tend to be a very patient viewer. I do not mind a slow build and mysteries that take time to solve. But dont waste my time either. How much wandering of corridors, compartments, and hidden environments must we endure before you begin getting to the point? Apparently 4 episodes worth is the answer. I have no problem with people who enjoyed this program. I only become annoyed when fans of a show talk down to anyone who dislikes it. Essentially they are saying , "I love 1899, and if you don't, you're stupid!" .....Or maybe you are just less demanding of a show than I am.
This show blew my mind. Might be better than Dark. I did have full confidence in creators that they will deliver.
People nowadays are so used to tiktoks that everything above 1 minutes is a slow burn
If something's gonna make me cancel my Netflix sub then it's shit like this. Now that 1899's been axed, Sandman is the only thing keeping me but I'm pretty sure they'll cancel that after S2 as well -then I'm out for good.
I had only watched the 1st two episodes I was meaning to get back to it but Netflix kept releasing movies and other things I wanted to watch and then I found out it was cancelled same thing happened with Archive 81 and the midnight club still haven't finished those because I found out they cancelled so what's the point I mostly watch movies now because of this 🥺
in the end Netflix misused our trust in them.
From is twice as slow as 1899 and here comes season 3.
It's not under Netflix though is it?
And my Netflix account Will be cancelled too
I was thinking the same.
I really hope the creators get a chance to create a second season somewhere else!
This show is beyond the comprehension of the masses... People are fickle and low energy... Only older more mature spirits can appreciate the captivation of this show by relation. Those that aren't entertained nor intrigued simply can't relate, they aren't chosen.
Yeah reckon they're the same people who hated on Parasite when it won the Oscar and not it's boring competitors. Lalaland for example wasn't anything I hadn't seen before. It's aesthetics and all but that was just about it. Pretty sure I saw something like that in an indie film before or Asian cinema!
1899 was bomb shell after bomb shelf that kept pulling me in.
I'm so angry they cancelled this, as well as Archive 81. They always seem to cancel the shows I love ( besides Stranger Things).
I really want to believe the creators of this show are teasing us and next year they will reveal a new series called 2099 lol.
No seriously, way before this show was cancelled I thought about what if next season takes place on the space ship, then it would be ridiculous to call it 1899. Then I imagined them making a new show called 2099 so it would make sense. I had so many crazy theories running through my head lol. That’s how hooked I was on this show. When I saw it was cancelled, all those theories and questions were replaced by dread. I have lost all faith in Netflix to keep a good series running.
No its really cancelled not coming back :( lucas confirmed it
Would be weird because they lost now lot of viewers
Netflix's sporadic cancellation of popular shows is going to be their downfall, mark my words. it is clearly already starting
I love to give series the benefit of the doubt. I started watching the first episode today cuz my sister convinced me to give it a try. I almost gave up half way but decided to continue. I ended up very intrigued at the end. I just feel like people aren’t as open minded anymore and only go for the same cookie cutter series about love, drama, etc. Those are fun too but let’s give SiFi a chance.
Strongly disagree. It did start slow but from episode 4-5 onwards the pace of revelations and new mysteries was almost on par with Dark S2 if not S3. Where it absolutely failed for me and I'm guessing with a lot more people was that the revelations lost their impact because ultimately I didn't care about any of the characters. Dark was even slower than this but the time it took was invested in character development, so people went along for the ride.
as the show "progressed", it lost depth and weight, and as you said, impact. they started relying on twists, tricks, "mystery", shock, confusion, etc. many of which we have seen in dozens of movies and shows so far. this is why characters became annoying, and we couldnt care less anymore. I knew that whatever "booo hoooo" ending it's gonna have, it will still not live up to my visceral hunger for, paradoxically psychological substance.
@@ThePitchblueare you talking about dark? Because i honestly think the twists were mind blowing, even if they were similar to every character, but how they connected everything was amazing. The family tree for example is crazy. Maybe in season 3 they derailed the story a little but i couldn't imagine another way to end that mindfuck
@@steez3103 Dark is a masterpiece, I dont think I was talking about it, its been 9 months I cant remember which show this was 😅
Breaking Bad didn't get popular until the end, and it's known as one of the greatest shows of all time. Imagine if AMC canceled it after the first season...
"Slow burn" actually means "lack of attention span"
By this logic Breaking Bad should be cancelled as well because hallf of the firat two seasons were somewhat boring.
I loved the dynamic of different languages being spoken at once, the people trying to communicate with each other etc. and the characters are really engaging. I'm not a fan of the whole simulation story thing, but I don't mind as long as I like the characters.
Netflix doesn’t give af about quality
And I canceled Netflix. They get rid of great shows in favor of garbage.
How they didn’t trust the creators of Dark will haunt me forever
quality gets cutted
Well that sux. I just watched it and liked it a lot. I was looking forward to next season
Of course it was going to get cancelled by Netflix. It was a good show. Hopefully someone else buys it off them, Prime or Disney+.
Just think, the Circle, a ridiculous reality based show, has 7 seasons. It is terrible. WTF are they thinking about.
If Netflix only want to make "Easy to watch" shows for npc audience. Just sell the ip, you are not making any money right? In fact you are burning money so why even keep em in your precious servers? Sell those unfinished IPs to get some M.. Sell them to anyone prime video, apple tv+ or even shudder would be good. My god the short videos have destroyed the attention span of everyone.
1st 2 episodes? Damn I binged it.
I hate Netflix
Wrong! This show was crazy good.
My only problem with this show was the ending of season one.
SPOILERS BELOW!!!
The “it’s all a dream” slash “it’s all a simulation” cliche just felt so cheap.
You literally learn that it's a simulation by like episode 4 or 5. It's only directly stated later. It's not "cheap" because it's foreshadowed and built up to.
The type of "cliche" you are referencing is only bad when it means that nothing matters in the end because "it's just a dream" or "just a simulation." If anything, the ending of 1899 showed that there is even MORE at stake than what would have been otherwise, the implications are massive.
I thought this show moved along rather briskly in the first few episodes. How was it a slow burn?? I thought the setting itself, on a steamship, was eye catching, intriguing and claustrophobic and added to the tension buildup in the first few episodes.
And yet they invest in trash shows like Cleopatra or the Witcher.
What do you mean this day and age? Dark has been more or less the same day and age and took quite a while to catch on internationally.
I'd even say that 1899 is faster paced and less of a slow burn than dark.
Though the seemingly lesser complexity of 1899 is a bit of a turndown, though i had it on my watchlist before i knew that it was from the same creators.
This is also the problem with the traditional Hollywood franchise when the studios relies the decision if they will ever make a sequel based on the performance of the movie. Why can't they just follow what Disney is doing and that is giving the audience a real promise of investments on their franchise and actually promising and delivering multiple sequels no matter what will be the performance of the current installment. Like in the mcu. They didn't cancelled the MCU when The Incredible Hulk underperforms. They continue until the audience and fans became invested in the mcu.
Great shows like this get canceled so crappy romcoms and show were little brain matter like Wednesday is needed
Andor was slower than this yet got huge praise. Personally I disliked Andor but loved 1899. I don’t think pacing was the problem as some say. This show deserves another season or two, it was brilliant.
So it got cancelled because all of us have ADHD?
I love dark and i loce 1899.. but making a show slow like this doesn't mean being great director. A good director knows how to tell a long story in the right number of episodes. I really think dark could last half of the time used. Same for 1899.
In italy we say "allungare il brodo" put water in the soup to make it last longer...
8 episodi sembrano tanti? Boh io sono uno che apprezza le riprese statiche che creano ambiente, non avrebbe trasmesso lo stesso effetto senza quel tipo di regia un po' piú lenta
Wow this is one of my favorite shows, it’s sad and frustrating that they cancelled it and they really should take it off Netflix all together. I’m on episode 4, I’m hooked and I find out it’s cancelled.
Such a waste, this was such an awesome show.
Watched and loved spaceforce, ended on cliffhanger, what happens next!? No flippen clue cause it's canceled
That causes problems for people who haven't seen the show or other shows that have been cancelled, because a lot of times they may not want to invest time in something they know won't continue, assuming they're aware of the cancellation.
So, Is this another one to pin on the snowflake generation?
Damn! I was so into the show, waiting for them to tie-down all the questions... ugh! people these days don't like to think, or wait to have all the facts.
1899 after some time felt dragged but we sit through it , it is worth it
32% completion rate yikes
I guarantee that if Dark's first season was dropped today it would be the same result.
@@masteronionnorth2341 ur right. Which is dumb asf because dark is arguably the most complex and well-written tv show of all time
My Netflix subscription stood the same chances as 1899. My GF’s too, crazy how easy it is to axe…on both sides of the pay wall!
Dark got way more time and word of mouth.
Does anyone think the Netfix powers that be watch the videos about their shows or read the comments. It would serve them to do so but I doubt they would do that much work. In fact , I want to know what executives actually do that makes them have a salary so high that it would pay for the second season alone. Does anyone know? I say, cancel an executive or CEO and use that money to make season 2!
i wonder if lockwood & co is going to get a 2nd season 😩
Calling this a slow burn 😂
i love this show and wanted to see a seasom 2 and to know whats going on. Why they cancelled ?
I tell people that the 1st 5 episodes are hard to get through but after that it becomes fantastic.
Just finished this. It was fantastic! Sucks they won't have a season 2... I love odd mystery shows like this that make you think and say what...... Kind of reminded me of the Truman Show and Cabin in the woods.
The main problem is that the show doesn't care enough to make viewers invested in the characters. I didn't care what happened to any of them, feels like they all have a past they regret and.. that's it..
Additionally, people kinda know when they're just lead on without the show having clear rules set in stone. It's like inception where they add something new to it each episode.. reminds me of the south park episode "a taco, inside a taco, within a taco bell, inside a kfc, within a mall, that's inside your dream!"
The main thing that killed 1899 was the change in the streaming ecosystem since 2019, now there are way too many of them.
The show was amazing, tragedy it got cancelled. If I were Billionaire I would fund the serious myself.
Hot take: 1899 got canceled because it was bad. Plot was too confusing, characters not relatable, only got more confusing as time went on, ended on a massive cliffhanger that made everything more confusing and answered nothing. Very much unlike Dark. At the end of season 1 of Dark, we have at least *some* of our questions answered, we know that characters are traveling through time and the mechanism by which they travel. In 1899 we're literally just as clueless as to what's really going on by the finale as we are in episode 1, and that was a massive, massive oversight on part of the writers.
How is the plot too confusing, they're in a simulation..
People like you have no patience.
@@GladiatorDude17 I can think of at least one way season 1 could have concluded that would've been less frustrating for the viewer: If they succinctly answered the question of whether they are in fact still in or are not inside the simulation. Or, if they didn't want to reveal this, they could have revealed what the true relationship was between Maura and Daniel, or Elliot. Season 1 just opens way too many questions and provides almost no answers, so the viewer is left wondering what the point was. If none of the major questions are answered in season 1, why not just skip it and start the show at season 2?
@@GlassesAndCoffeeMugs There are many major questions answered in season 1, they can't just reveal everything at the beginning, they were only one third through the story for Christ sake. If anything, they revealed too much, not too little. Her bother literally said: "Welcome to reality" at the end. I don't think they would have had multiple levels of simulations like a Rick and Morty episode, I think things were much clearer than you perhaps think. But I guess we'll never know.
@@GladiatorDude17 It's funny because I remember numerous discussions after the end of the first season and essentially nobody thought they were out of the simulation yet. We don't *really* know if they're out or if it's just another layer, the show made heavy usage of symbolism involving 3's, it was a 3 season series, the first season takes place in 1899 and the second season 2099 so the speculation was "reality" was in fact 1999 and the space ship was a simulation of the future.
All this to say, these questions weren't succinctly answered. I don't need everything answered. But like I said, I think Dark was so successful because there were a steady drip of answers with every season. They didn't leave it to the viewer to figure out at the end of season 1 if they were really time traveling or not, they made it clear they WERE in fact time traveling.
Dark was also a slow burn .I was waiting for 1899 season 2 here
Damn just finished it.. I think the plot should have paced a bit faster.. The consistent need for Maura to do circles was weird. Would have helped them capture those more short attention spans, as well. I'm sad there isn't another season but once the last episode exploded, I understood why I was a year late to this party. The ending just made the rest feel unnecessarily slow. Black mirror episode that became a season.
There are many people watch a show bcz everyone I remember when I was watching dark and may friend were and after it gets hot dark is best show of all time yada yada. We all dark s3 was not very good but people are so afraid these days these days that no one talked about this. For me 1899 was not organic from first scene we are told it will be a mindbender but in dark in starting everything was normal which really helped but i also watched 1899 .
It started off good but I want a show to enjoy, it was too much to figure out. Didnt like how it ended as well
This is the only Netflix show I have actually watched
Claus schwab persally asked to cancel
Breaking Bad and Seinfeld really didn't do well in the beginning, yet they're being hailed as some of the best shows of all time. You know, if you throw your child off a cliff the first time it fails an exam, that's a problem.
It’s started hella good!!
After the 6 episodes it was boring!!
there were worse that netflix decides to produce but why this, its just insane.
The real reason for cancellation is that the show is plagiarised from a Brazilian novel
Cuties good, 1899 bad. Way to be Netflix
Because they didn’t show the Vanderlinde gang😂
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Thank you for the concise video
It was a solid show with some great moments. But I've come to despise the "For next time" approach to story telling. I understand, they're trying to convince the audience to return for future seasons and films. But it ultimately means you're left with a lackluster story when there is no next time.
I blame Netflix's show runners, I also blame the creators of this show.
Perhaps instead of constantly raising new questions, they should have answered the ones established near the beginning to create a more complete experience.
I know I'm going to get a lot of hate for saying this, but writers need to focus on the season or film they're writing, rather than dedicating half their effort to trying to sell me on the next one.
People like you have no patience.
@@GladiatorDude17 I have patience when there's potential. I despise the tune in next movie/episode approach to story telling. It's ruined modern writing. So many interesting ideas and tales broken up and fractured because countless show runners wanted to withhold said information to future seasons that never come.
Give people a self contained story that's satisfying by itself, that can be expanded in future films or seasons. So many writers these days flush out content with a flurry of new questions that are never answered because the show gets canceled.
@@GladiatorDude17 Case in point, The Blacklist, the writers just kept coming up with twists and new plot threads that they never resolved. That show started out great, and ended as hot garbage.
@@themidnighttavern6784 I can respect if you think 1899 didn't have the potential. But so many great stories would have never been made if nobody ever took a chance on a longer story that is told over multiple installations.
@@GladiatorDude17 I love longer stories when the people backing the project are committed to it long term. It's the projects with unclear futures where that approach bothers me.
For instance, I'm not a huge fan of comic book films, but as someone who's had all the Avengers movies spoiled for me, it seems like they have a decent central story and character development running across multiple films. They'd ask questions and withhold answers for later movies. But it worked, because you knew Marvel was going to go through with making that next installment. They weren't just gonna cancel the next film and leave their audience dissatisfied.
But so many smaller projects are being canceled these days, especially more out there project like 1899. You're always walking a tight rope of doing great one minute, and being canceled the next, and many show runners know this. So it just felt foolish to me to set up all these things we'll never get the answers to.
I didn't hate 1899, it had some great atmosphere and a fun setting. I was very invested in it for the first few episodes. But I figured out the primary twist relatively early on, and desperately didn't want it to be that. As it became more and more clear that was the direction they were going in, I lost interest.
I gave it 4 episodes and then checked out. I'm all for a slow burn but this wasn't even lit. I j ust got bored of watching people walk down corridors or stare into the distance and story telling that was just a series of unending unanswered questions created to keep your interest. It didn't and II'm glad it got cancelled. What a waste of a premise.
If you do like I did, it's not a slow burn at all !
...you just have to binge-watch all episodes.
It's 4 AM now but I REGRET NOTHING.
More seriously, i'm fine with the cancellation. The big reveal at the end was fine but far from unique or mind-bending. And the power couple behind 1899 and Dark (Baran bo Odar and Jantje Friese) will have a new project in no time. :)
So it's not worth starting to watch. I held out hope.
I hope HBO wins the streaming services market. Netflix is incompetent
Soon people will stop making shows like these because today's generation has an attention span of a goldfish. There are so many shows that Netflix has cancelled which were so great but slow. This generation did find patience to watch a terrific show like mindhunter and I am pretty sure many successful shows of the last decade wouldn't stand a chance today because people just cant watch slow shows
I think it was canceled because a Brazilian comic artist Mary Cagnin denounced Netflix for plagiarizing one of her comics, entitled "Black Silence" (2016). She was at the Gothenburg book fair in 2017 and promoted her work to several publishers.
I read further into that and it's still up in the air on whether that was true or not since so many people have different accounts on that issue. Although having looked at her work, it is suspect to say the least. That being said I don't think Netflix would have cancelled 1899 if it turned out to be there no.1 show, regardless of any claims.
In my opinion 1899 should've been a movie instead. Not a series. That was the problem. Would've captured the audience more. Even myself watching the first 2 episodes was so boring. Cuz of the slow pace. Remember folks is always about the views. Production companies are not charities. 1899 had a budget of $60M dollars. NETFLIX ACTUALLY LOST MONEY. When the TV series Squid Game premiered. That first week it had 572M views. Budget was $21M dollars. Profit was $900M DOLLARS !!! 🤯 It did set a record. Stranger Things coming in 2nd place & in 3rd place Wednesday.
It didn’t have the diversity garbage that they think matters.
Actually it’s funny cause they DID have mad diversity in this series. Not only different ethnicities, but several different languages!!! That is SO rare to see in television.
@@potatojones1089 that’s true, but that’s not what is meant by diversity these days.
@@DanielGenis5000 apparently they wanted an antibrexit message...
@@alexgibson2871 I missed an anti-brexit message, but if it had one, it was appealing to a minority of British viewers
It is not woke
I didn't drop off because of a slow burn. I dropped off because it's a mystery box show with an unreliable narrator. Tropes that are used WAY too much in bad media to pretend they are brilliant stories, when they are simply not very interesting. I have long since lost faith in TV writers ability to use these concepts/tropes well (or even competently).
This!!!
I can't seem to find much with an unreliable narrator. Whereabouts can you recommend some?
@@dreamsteddybearsmaster Movies use this trope more than TV because it basically is setting up a twist. Not a lot of shows attempt it because done poorly (which it usually is) it basically negates everything the viewer sees. Viewers forgive this in films because it's exploring the point of view of a mentally ill person as a character study. Which can be interesting. But for TV shows, more hours, more characters...it is hard to do it properly. . Examples in film: A Beautiful Mind, Shutter Island, American Psycho, and Big Fish. Examples in TV: Legion, Dexter, Dollhouse, Mr. Robot, Sherlock, and Perception
What if 1899 got cancelled because it shows how life really is
Ran out of ideas?
Great writing, great acting, great storyline. all the 👉👈 sword fighting was not needed or necessary and made a 5 star show a negative 1 star show. Grow up movie makers and stop pushing your personal agendas on the general public.
Show was garbage. Period.
This show was Meh and i figured half the plot twists halfway through. i knew it was simulation crap, the creepy man and the kid were related to the woman, and ofcourse she was a snowflake
Way too many deviant sadistic sex scenes that were way too long .People get the point without having to make the scenes so drawn out . I enjoyed it at first but it just got to be too appalling for me.
That's the harsh reality but it happens too often than not but yeah I get what ya mean. Other shows where I feel my IQ dropping get way too much hype but
There where only like 2
Exactly. The masturbation scene between Krester and Angel wasn’t necessary at all. For many audiences could have felt awkward.
This show was BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORING. It's not about instant gratification at all. Its about the fact that the "story" was streteched out, with dialog where they repeat themselves and where the dialog is stupid, and the behaviors of the characters is stupid bordering on pointless. One or two episodes of that shit I can tolerate, but this was six episodes which were just above garbage enough that I wanted to see, hope and pray that the story improved to the point where it wasn't pointless. This was very much like another movie on netflix where the traveler inside a space object woke up and found out they were in a space capsule. In 1899, that took six hours of pointless rambling dialog and story which sucked, and 2 episodes where it was actually getting good. LOST never sucked like this, Walking Dead never sucked like this, even in their slow periods, there were events and actions, 1899 is a snoozefest to be avoided. This is nothing like DARK which is a masterpiece of story telling and mystery. There are similarities in the music and storytelling the writing... "Never Forget" "Never believe anything else" But DARK was far better done, with so much more story. 1899 was a 90 minute movie stretched in to 8 hours of BOREDOM
I can't believe that someone watched this and thought meeehh boring 😮