Advice for people just getting into the trades
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You gain the big boy voice from having to talk over 5 saws, 3 compressers, and the dude with a roofing gun putting 10,000 nails in one sheet of shingles. And also every other guy in the trades is just like you. Everyone has different backgrounds, but all of you are on the same jobsite just trying to make the day go by. Join for 1 trade, and you learn so much about every other trade that helps build a structure
I got mine from the army lol
@@CycocelVocalistyelling over one thing or another 😅
You guys had nail guns?
This exactly! You will also get to know who knows what they're doing and who to stay away from. Shadow the skilled one and learn what you can from them.
You are so right. My son is soft spoken and was very shy when young. He started hanging at eighteen. Now at fortytwo he is supervisor over building crew in company his boss and he started. They have more work now because of excellent work and business values, than they can take on. Im so proud of him.
This is full of helpful advice. But that last piece of advice about being in a toxic environment is especially helpful.
Love your good, common sense advice. Thanks Nate!!!
Great tips! Great advice!❤
You try and help a lot of people who ask decent questions, you are very knowledgeable Nate, thank you for taking the time to help people with advice if you can help them, that's what makes you unique 😅
As a women who is a landscaper/operator/construction worker always push yourself to your limit but not past. In a short time the limit of what you think you can do will grow quickly if you keep at it.
Be honest with your boss and employer but also communicate that you want to get there soon, you just need to take steps getting there. I went from being scared to touch any power tool or driving a compact car to operating excavators, skid steers, and driving truck and trailer in some pretty tight spaces and onto narrow weight scales in a matter of a few months. I also can now take any power tool and use it with confidence.
Unless you're autistic...
It's hard to force eye contact and stuff, I wish it was as easy as faking it- i DO, I fake it hard, I mask like nobody even knows- but it leaves me dangerously burned out and exhausted constantly.
I wish i was like everyone else, but I am not, and I have to accept that and do the best I can with it.
I almost killed myself trying to be normal, just in the sense that I ran myself into the ground.
I know no one asked me, haha, but it's important to remember some people struggle with simple things like eye contact and speaking up.
Like I said, if I could be normal...
I most definitely would be.
But I am not, and if I don't say something eventually the uncanny valley gets so big you can't ignore it, or I can't hide it anymore- so it's easier just to be honest and up front about who I am...
Sorry, that was a tangent, I know!
@@pariahmouse7794 Tangents are viable ways of communication. Even for average people, having to please others can become a drag on mental economy,
which then brings you physically down, like you say. Simplist answer is just to do your best. At the end of your day, you have to satisfy yourself with the best you can do.
@@pariahmouse7794 Just focus on your work and the rest will come slowly, also a good trades man/woman will see you do your best with the job and wont expect you to be social, with the eye contact thing... you dont have to make eyecontact all the time just when you start speaking or when someone starts speaking, to show intrest and that you listen you could look at the ground while they talk as long as you made contact at the start of interaction. But even this should not matter to trade people as long as your work shows that you listen and you are doing your best.
The first thing I try to show new hires is to relax and chill clear the mind make space for the work, if you overthink about being social you might not focus on the job and make mistakes.
My youngest daughter just left Menards and going to be an electrical apprentice . She was at Menards for about 12 years. She needed a change and a new skill
Been in a trade for over 20 years and the best advice I can give is always try your best at a task you are given, if you fail or can’t do it that’s ok as long as you tried nobody will think less of you. Show up on time and clean up after yourself that way you aren’t making anyone’s job harder is good advice to. We are all there to do a job as long as you make pull your weight and don’t make more work for others you will be given the opportunities to learn.
The timidness will fade with experience; you build confidence when you know what you’re doing
I took a look at the comments to see if anyone had an issue with making eye contact or maintaining it. Even though no one’s mentioned this here, as an autistic person who was diagnosed late in life, I’d like to offer a tip I discovered accidentally that’s served me well for decades and NO ONE has ever said they’ve noticed. When trying to force myself to maintain eye contact during some interview my eyes ended up on the bridge of the person’s nose. I stopped trying to force my gaze back to their eyes & let it remain on the bridge of their nose & instantly relaxed. Over the decades I’ve even been able to look people directly in their eyes for very short periods without even trying. And it no longer causes me any discomfort. Just thought I’d add that for any autistics who might be here. Being unable to make or maintain eye contact in our culture is seen as being untrustworthy & dishonest. So this is a really big deal. (Love this channel)
I used to be quiet / a bit timid, but my job required me to stretch outside of my comfort zone, and now I can fake it with the best of them, lol. I still need my alone time to recharge.
Working at McDonalds made me realize that I’m not as introverted as I thought I was. I was the most direct person there, which helped me as a crew trainer and also the kitchen guy. I’d have plenty of aloof and potentially stoned coworkers, but if I asked them to do something, they would get it done. You have to build respect, which is easy if you can treat people as… people. I kinda miss that job, office work sucks.
Hey Nate, I’m a new fan of your from Wills site. Lifelong fan of Jesses (he’s my kid) n been a fan of Wills for over 10 yrs n he’s family too. Love your content. beautiful land, dogs, n really enjoyed the live w Jen. Peace n love from Oregon!
Always love all your wise advise!!!
The best advice I can give is something I had to work the hardest at, stop saying “sorry”. I think women have the most difficult time with timidness. By removing the word “sorry” completely out of my work vocabulary, I changed my attitude, which changed how I interacted with coworkers and management.
“Sorry” is a word that should be used with family and friends and rarely (if ever) used in a work environment. In place of sorry, I would use, “excuse me”, or choose to say nothing at all. Your tongue is the rudder of your ship, is a saying I heard years ago and it’s so true.
Yes!!!! I’m very conscious of this but still struggle sometimes. It’s so ingrained, especially in some areas of the country and certain cultures where manners and politeness are highly valued, but it can come
Across as being sorry for even existing.
I agree with reducing saying "sorry", but in no way is it limited to friends or family. If you genuinely hurt/injury a colleague due to negligence or a mistake saying "excuse me" probably isn't going to cut it. There's nothing wrong with owning up to a mistake and apologizing for it given the situation. It also depends on your work environment, like if you're dealing with the public. Should you say sorry for everything of course not, but there's no need to go from one extreme to another opposite extreme. So instead of "stop saying sorry", maybe it's "think before speak". Pause ask yourself is it necessary to apologize and if not keep it pushing👍
I’m in college currently. I know it is not for everyone. But I’ve heard trade schools are good for many jobs like electrical, web development, plumbing, and apparently radiation therapist. There are others but if you just search up what are good jobs someone can get with trade schools. Hope everyone has a great Sunday!
Yes! Takes practice!
I used to be quiet and seemed timid.
I did traffic control and security work. When you have practice you can make the necessary changes to do well at things you enjoy.
More great advice straight from narroway. Love all the content keep it coming plz nate
I was a painting contractor (female) for interior homes in a wealthy area outside of Chicago. Did it for 19 years and retired at 45. Trick is, be your own boss, hire good honest ppl and pay them well. ❤
The last part about a toxic environment is priceless.
Otherwise- show up on time, learn what you can- ask for help if youre not sure! If the right way is how you learn to do things, then you don't learn the wrong way and will never screw it up.
Better to ask and learn, done right the first time, than screw it up and have to go back and do it over wasting materials. If they can show you or walk you thru it- have you do it under they're supervision- you will be gaining the confidence to do it yourself next time around. Good luck out there everyone!
It takes a while to build up dexterity with hand tools. Using proper technique with tools is key. I've learned the hard way a few times
Assertiveness is an alien language to me 😂 don't worry, I'm working on it.
This video is a history of how I gained confidence.
I am a very tiny woman (4'10") and used to be incredibly shy, timid, and anti-social. I moved to a new city and started into a friends construction company. It taught me right quick how to develop confidence and build myself into a much bigger and happier personality.
We need experienced trades people to teach younger people the way This Old House is doing❤❤❤❤❤
Being able to be heard is both a curse and a blessing as a United States Marine we were taught to speak loud and clear but as a civilian my normal talking voice is loud and clear
I'm glad to see there is interest from young people / women about entering skilled trades.
This country is facing a huge skilled labor shortage. We need electricians, plumbers, hvac, general contractors badly. Not knocking on office traded, they are needed too, but for years people have been pushed away from the skilled trades and it's time we train the next generation to pick up the tool bag and carry on.
It's a good living and we are always gonna need them. I'm an electrician and no matter how bad the economy gets, I'm always employed.
Here's the deal. Check your feelings @ the door & get thick skin. Been in trades for a LONG time. This is the best advice
Great advice Nate
My advice for people-pleasers, specifically: some people are going to dislike you for no good reason, do you may as well be yourself. Drew Talbert has a good skit with his character Bridget wanting to be more like Nicole and Nicole gives her some great advice. Check it out!
I'm a retired plumber (and a woman). The best thing I learned from plumbing was how to say "no" to people. And I learned it damn fast too.
Highly recommend the trades for young people - especially women. Just do some research into each trade first (that's why I went into plumbing). The best thing abut being a plumber was none of the men gaf about me being a woman as long as I could carry a 10' length of 4" cast iron pipe up a ladder.
And join a union (if you can). Makes everything so much easier.
knowing when to leave has always been the most tricky for me
As a shy person, ive always found exposure to the be the best way of learning to deal with situations. You have to show yourself it's not as scary as you thought, and you'll figure out ways of acting in those situations. Even though the first couple times might be scary
As a sailor, my parents probably never thought I'd be yelling all the way across an active, aircraft carrier hanger bay, over all the operating noise, other people, and the aircraft movements up on the deck.
Even in the work center, I had to learn to raise my normal speaking voice from nearly a whisper to loud enough that I could hear my voice echoing down the street when we first returned to home port. I had to get that loud just to be heard over the ambient noise.
That is generally good advice!! That's gooooood!!!!!
As a high schooler who's seriously contemplating being an electrician and starting a business from it, this is appreciated
Find the best company and go work for them. It's like paid, on the job training. If the only way you learn to do something is the right way it should be done? You literally don't know how to do it wrong. You never have to go back and fix it.
Thanks Nate...sage advice 🤗
This is great advice ❤
I am going to a trade school during part of my high school day learning precision machining.
I am also working a co-op job this summer for a global extrusion company. It’s not really the first place I would think of working in the trade but maybe I’ll love it.
Timid usually comes from a lack of confidence.
You are already smart enough, fir enough, and strong enough to consider a Trade, and you are already smart enough to know there is stuff you won't know and will have to learn.
You are entering into a group of people who don't know you, there is no need to be afraid of them.
Always be polite, respectful, and ask for help when it's needed.
I'm no weakling and have worked all of the heavy mining, oil and gas, and construction industries, but if I need a hand I will find the closest Carpenter or Brick Layer to give me a hand lifting something.
I always joke and say 'because I have weak Electricians arms'. Usually multiple 'strong men' will push me to the side and do all of the heavy work.
There is nothing more that the strong boys like doing than showing how strong they are. lol. I respect that, and thank them for it.
See, I'm a young woman who's been in the trades for 6 years now and I'm only just now learning how to say no and be loud when I need to. Wish I'd learned it sooner but it's better late than never
Fastest way to lose timidness for me experience was picking up a combat sport (BJJ,boxing) while working out to gain size/strengh. Knowing that I can stick up for myself physically is what helps me stick up for myself verbally.
Word. You nailed it.
Great reply mate
Former sparkie in Australia, thoroughly concur, glad you left your old employment eventually
Volunteering is good, too. Habitat for humanity taught me a few things I didn't know. Granted, I was used to tools due to my dad and my own projects. Massive anxiety my whole life.
I’d say you will lose your timidness once you start making the big bucks 😉
You definitely develop a thick skin and a sense of humour in the trades
So true. I am usually a quiet person and don't want to start conflicts but at work, I am always saying things loudly to be heard over the equipment working and customers. I always do what must be done, even if I have to stay a few minutes late, I am paid hourly after all, and I get along well with almost everyone, including the boss. They have the least amount of complaints about me and it is mostly little stuff like forgetting to remove my gloves when going to the back of the store
why did this help my social anxiety
Thanks for the great advice!
I'm still very shy and quiet, but I did get a bit confident when I went to college for culinary arts.
It helps when you're knowledgeable in something you love and if you're interested, learn it. Just don't be arrogant.
Look weak when you're really strong. Especially if you're encounter bullies. Kid or adult.
Do your best. Caulk the rest!
Well-spoken all the way around... And all sounds very familiar to me😂
Hehe sage advice, Nate.
Well said. 👍😊
I'm not in trades, but I am a young woman in a male dominated workplace (a product qualification lab where most of my coworkers are military veterans or engineers). My biggest piece of advice is always be honest when you make a mistake and be willing to learn from your mistakes. Also, don't be afraid to get your hands dirty! Lift the heavy things (within reason, don't risk injury or damage), use the tools, get hands on, jump on new opportunities and don't be afraid to try new things. I recently heard a saying "Everything is 'figuroutable'". Even if you don't know how to do something, don't let that prevent you from doing it anyway and figure it out as you go! That will prove that you are teachable and have critical thinking and problem solving skills.
I started my apprenticeship 18 years ago as a mechanical fitter. Which is an industrial trade, rather than a construction or domestic trade, although my current job does have me working on some construction and civil engineering sites.
I've worked with plenty of women over the years and find that they sometimes have a better head for the job than a lot of the guys. This tends to be because a lot of guys get into trades because their dad/brother/uncle/friend, get them a start and they just do it cause that's a guys job. It's like women and teaching or nursing, many do it because it's a womans job. So when women want to do a trade they often put in the work to be good at it. At least on the technical side. They often end up in the planning/supervising roles, because they want to be there. But they do tend to fair better in the lighter (physically lighter) trades, like instrument techs and process operators.
One thing to remember for anyone wanting to start in any trades, assholes are everywhere, but if they decide to pick on you personally like your race, sexuality, gender or sports team, then you're doing fine. They want to pick on you for your work but they can't. If they pick on you for your work, then that's an opportunity for you to get better, but best to check with someone who isn't an asshole just to make sure.
What counts as a domestic trade?
Sorry for the late reply.
I would say plumbers, bricklayers, joiners. Any jobs that are most likely to be specific to your home rather than a place of work.
It might just be a UK thing but we would call these domestic trades. There are others as well, but many will cross over with offices and shops/stores, these we would call commercial work.
Many electricians will only ever work in people's homes, but technically the trade is transferable to industrial workshops or factories, although I wouldn't want many of the industrial electricians I've met working in my home.
When I worked in the construction business the people who have worked around it was no problem being loud
A bit timid is far better than a bit cocky and if you're getting into construction go for the top, egineer, electrician....
Great advice!
It’s wild cause I can see my younger self asking that exact same question and now that I’m older I can see myself answering that question that exact way Nate did lol
Good advice.
I was a furniture mover and if anyone wants to get into that profession the advice I have is it's common to come home with a backache but when it hurts the next morning you may be wise to find a different job
If your timid its really an issue of mindset over anything. Dont worry about getting hurt because wounds can heal. Dont worry about the labor because most jobs are laborious at lower levels. Dont worry about disappointing your boss because theyve seen a thousand people like you come and go. Worry about being the 1 person in 100 who shows up on time, doesnt give excuses, gives 100% of his attention and effort into learning, and how to improve yourself. Jump into the deep end. Sink or swim. You will learn if its the right job.
Back in the 1980s, I was the first female in-house ATM Technician hired by Bank of America.
I had to work hard prove to the guys that I could do the work to earn their respect and I more than did that.
The fact that I HAD to was annoying.
But the guys learned more quickly to more easily respect the women who came after me.
I mean coming from the Marines and going into the trades I think I’m pretty good on the loud voice lol
good advice!
Honestly, make it a benefit. Less talk more do folks are often better coworkers. Women I have worked with that were focusing on getting the job done, invariably outperformed men focusing on bs. Don’t hesitate to include moving to a better work environment as part of doing more and talking less.
I would literally take speak in a loud voice as....yell yell at everyone
There ya go.
My dad and my grandpa were hard of hearing.
I went in the Army. My dad and grandpa died.
I talk loud so people hear me.
As a woman who has worked construction,I have to add this-DONT HAVE “intimate “ relations with the crew.You shouldn’t do that at any job truthfully.Also,don’t expect the men to do your job.If you can’t pack heavy items up the ladder,pack the smaller items needed(which you should learn so that you don’t have to be told every single time),to save the pack mules time/effort.Do your absolute best,and make an effort.
I’m not “picking “ on other women,this is what I saw while working.
💯 facts
I think helpful advice would be saying that if they ask you to sort the nails out then they are pranking you. 😂
The word your looking for is green😊
I had tonget over my shyness to do my first job: cashier at Taco Bell!
Firm handshake.
Im trying to get into HVAC. I got my universal certification, but getting an entry-level job in a trade is even harder than I expected. It seems like a "get in however you can" kind of thing
To be in a situation with people who are toxic means, that they are sick and by you sticking around, -now you are going to be sick and there's just no way that will not ever happen, you will get sick !FACT !
For you, it's not just being sick.
It's you really & truly getting triggered & re traumatized for life. It's flashbacks all of your life.
When things happen that remind you of it, you go back there. Psychologically and physically.
I second that advice, if you are in a toxic environment - if it's a personal or a work environment even family ESPECIALLY Family, Leave. Go !
NO.
Contact.
& one hundred percent, ACTUALLY one thousand percent & Do NOT EVER look back.
The healing DOES NOT start until you get the heck out of it.
And very important, It takes you studying psychopathy. And this is a subject that needs to be studied no less than seven years and up to ten years to know how to not ever get back in it. Arm yourselves with the knowledge. Learn to spot the red flags early in life and develop your discernment.
Any kind of Abuse, abusers, toxicity- these are typically people who are narcissist and they might also actually be psychopaths.
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"HEY STOP THAT' the boss replies "your sacked" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
If someone asks you a question and you dont know admit it
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Get into the trades don’t go to college, I’m a master HVAC technician and I make 6 figures you can make over 150k a year if you’re really motivated and really good.
I just signed up for college to do accounting. Everyone needs accounting. 16k for 2 years and i get a degree and accomplishment. Im nervous. Ive worked construction for 5 years with the same company, since i was 18 . Its a strange step.
Or, go into the trades and cash flow college just for the sake of learning and education. But yeah, most *career focused* education programs are only 1-2 years long, make your income in your trade and make time for education if you're into it.
@@TheJamesandShawnI think that's a super smart move, your body will thank you and you'll retire with all your fingers most likely 😅
@raeorion 2 years feels like a lot. But if i dont like it and want something else, whats another 2 years in HVAC, or welding, or agriculture, or diesel mechanics. Knowledge is Knowledge. I gotta do something besides being stuck at the same job for the rest of my life. Im 22 and never had the college experience. Might as well see what its about
I went to 4 years of trade school, cost me 7k I’ve been working over 14 years in my field and still get constant schooling and certifications, I make over 40 and hour plus my monthly bonus. I didn’t have to take out huge loans, I just had to work hard, study and learn on my own time, work a lot of long hours but it all payed off. We need young tradesman and I would always recommend HVAC it’s all the trades. I do plumbing, electrical, drywall, ect and it thought me how to repair appliances, I never need to call anyone except exterminators or roofers when I have a problem at my home.
Learn a trade and join a union . Perhaps a painter so I can eventually retire.
Hi nate
I recommend everyone to do 4 years in the military at least. It teaches you responsibility at a young age . It teaches you to be a leader and to come out of your shell if you're timid . After you get out get into trades and it's a lot easier
You're lovely ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Dont take things personal
No one asked but my opinion is "don't", your body will thank you.
Who are you👀
Just do your job and dont get involved in gossip
I feel like a woman in construction would be more helpful to ask. No offense Nate, I'm sure you have some good advice for construction in general.
Ya just grow a pair
Let's be perfectly honest, for every woman in construction there are 2 men who have to pick up the slack. It's just a fact. As a man who's been in construction and then the oilfield my whole working life their have always been women and each crew they are on has miserable guys having to work harder because you have to baby them and help them extra. It really sucks but hey equal rights and all that BS