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It's only in recent years that alot of these axe murders spread across the country and across many years. The internet and easier access to public records and old newspapers transfered to digital archives from microfiche, has made making the connections possible.
People involved dying off and evidence not being available to inspect has made it easier to make cases for a lot of the connections too. I imagine a future generation will conclude all the attacks on German Christmas markets were the same guy, too. What are the odds more than one guy would have the same modus operandi? We know it’s not like that, but once we are not around to try to explain then they can tell themselves whatever they think makes sense. ❤
I think that another reason Jones hiring someone is unlikely; obviously the overkill of the children alone, but the fact that the neighbor's girls were there. If the killer had been watching the house (and was hired) he likely would have postponed it that night due to their presence, or even just not kill them.
According to the coroner, all the children were only hit once with the axe. They were just little that's why it seemed like there was so much more damage done. Only the parents were hit numerous times. One theory is that Lena was the target since she was the only one moved & posed & had her undergarments off. Maybe the killer saw the 2 sisters walking home with the family that night from the church program.
It makes one wonder whether or not the Moores were the original target. How would he know that Lena -- his supposed true target -- was going to sleep at their house while supposedly hiding in the attic? Is it possible that the Stillinger household had been selected first, and he simply butchered the Moores after Lena and her sister decided to have a sleepover?
Read the book and now I have like 10 questions.....sure wish Bill would open a forum somewhere. So at the 45:50 mark there is a whisper of a... "yeah" Also, I agree the book needed maps and pictures.
It’s really not the same if you read the book. There are clear serial killer repetitive signature. Covering mirrors, focus on prepubescent girls, where the ax is left, etc.
There is a very good chance there are a lot more than 100 victims. I know from doing genealogy research that very few newspapers from that era still exist and are digitized.
I am enjoying the book now, even though I find the theory less persuasive the more I learn about it. If authors were allowed to write books about a theory they came up with, researched, and discovered it was baloney, I think it would still be just as fascinating (and a lot more truthful) than publishers only accepting books where the authors strongly argue for the theory regardless. I think science would be less plagued by fraud if they eagerly published disproven theories too, but alas. Anyway, the authors recount a lot of ax murders in history, and the ones they want to credit to one man, they just actively dismiss evidence that isn’t convenient or contradicts the theory, but they are honorably open about doing so, so you can draw your own conclusions since they aren’t hiding evidence from you in the process. I appreciate that and consider this book totally worth buying and reading. I got it in two formats, so I can wake in horror in the night while audibles reads me things like “when the man from the train comes to your house, you’re dead meat!” (I’m paraphrasing, but it definitely freaked me out lol. Like say, well worth reading even if you think this theory is unsupported by the cited evidence.
I dont believe the villisca murders can be "solved" using any formula. Ill listen to Dr. Epperly ANYDAY. I think someday in the future science might find a way to solve the case, who knows. But i personally have no doubt rev. Kelly did it 100%
Not really. It is actually probable. It's actually fact but there are so many cases that are eerily similar from around 1885 -1923 or 4 which is why the book is so interesting putting so many together but there are a few theories.
I loved this book! I wasn't sold on the Hinterkaifeck connection, but the commonalities among so many crimes fascinated me.
The similarities to the German farm house and the ones around America are what makes this a possibility
So I'm now somewhat skeptical on the German farmhouse being the Axeman but it remains possible.
Amazing book. Authors did a great job relating the events but, even better, the time & place.
Great podcast. Looking forward to everything about The Man From The Train.
10:00 is when they start talking about the book
thank you !
Thank you!
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i’m obsessed and get pulled into most true crime cases, uh oh!
Really good book. One of the best that I’ve read in years, and I generally read 1-2 books every week.
Comic don't count.
MM Solo lol haven’t read a comic book in probably a decade now, so they don’t count
@@im11sostfu86 A decade? Reading comics at age one, huh? You must be a child prodigy!
yes, a very good book!
And you're only 11?
It's only in recent years that alot of these axe murders spread across the country and across many years.
The internet and easier access to public records and old newspapers transfered to digital archives from microfiche, has made making the connections possible.
People involved dying off and evidence not being available to inspect has made it easier to make cases for a lot of the connections too. I imagine a future generation will conclude all the attacks on German Christmas markets were the same guy, too. What are the odds more than one guy would have the same modus operandi? We know it’s not like that, but once we are not around to try to explain then they can tell themselves whatever they think makes sense. ❤
I think that another reason Jones hiring someone is unlikely; obviously the overkill of the children alone, but the fact that the neighbor's girls were there. If the killer had been watching the house (and was hired) he likely would have postponed it that night due to their presence, or even just not kill them.
According to the coroner, all the children were only hit once with the axe. They were just little that's why it seemed like there was so much more damage done. Only the parents were hit numerous times. One theory is that Lena was the target since she was the only one moved & posed & had her undergarments off. Maybe the killer saw the 2 sisters walking home with the family that night from the church program.
It makes one wonder whether or not the Moores were the original target.
How would he know that Lena -- his supposed true target -- was going to sleep at their house while supposedly hiding in the attic?
Is it possible that the Stillinger household had been selected first, and he simply butchered the Moores after Lena and her sister decided to have a sleepover?
Really enjoyed this.
44:40 describes me to a "T". Lmao
Read the book and now I have like 10 questions.....sure wish Bill would open a forum somewhere. So at the 45:50 mark there is a whisper of a... "yeah" Also, I agree the book needed maps and pictures.
I think there was talk of a documentary made from the book before Covid hit. Does anyone know if that’s still on?
Are they any autopsy photos in this book?
No , I have it and it at least needs to be revised with some maps or a chart with the commonalities between the killings.
@@Jim-McIt does need these. What purpose would austsy photos serve?
“moneyball” is one of my favorites!
The ax was a common weapon back then that's like saying every knife murder is connected. This is interesting but a stretch
It’s really not the same if you read the book. There are clear serial killer repetitive signature. Covering mirrors, focus on prepubescent girls, where the ax is left, etc.
Unknown axeman on yt covers this terrifying case.
Scared me so much!
What ragtime song is that at the beginning
WONDER did Ms McCarthy check German police records for '1907 and 1908?
There is a very good chance there are a lot more than 100 victims. I know from doing genealogy research that very few newspapers from that era still exist and are digitized.
I am enjoying the book now, even though I find the theory less persuasive the more I learn about it. If authors were allowed to write books about a theory they came up with, researched, and discovered it was baloney, I think it would still be just as fascinating (and a lot more truthful) than publishers only accepting books where the authors strongly argue for the theory regardless. I think science would be less plagued by fraud if they eagerly published disproven theories too, but alas.
Anyway, the authors recount a lot of ax murders in history, and the ones they want to credit to one man, they just actively dismiss evidence that isn’t convenient or contradicts the theory, but they are honorably open about doing so, so you can draw your own conclusions since they aren’t hiding evidence from you in the process. I appreciate that and consider this book totally worth buying and reading. I got it in two formats, so I can wake in horror in the night while audibles reads me things like “when the man from the train comes to your house, you’re dead meat!” (I’m paraphrasing, but it definitely freaked me out lol.
Like say, well worth reading even if you think this theory is unsupported by the cited evidence.
I think the evidence of the Simon's train ride with Rev Kelly the next morning was the best evidence of the
Crime and he should have been convicted and would have been had the trial not been corrupted by a very corrupt detective named Wilkerson
Confusing.
I heard something about lynchings, black people etc.
But what percentage of the victims were black?
Read the book
White men were lynched just as much if not more than black men.
Only a few were black.
I dont believe the villisca murders can be "solved" using any formula. Ill listen to Dr. Epperly ANYDAY. I think someday in the future science might find a way to solve the case, who knows. But i personally have no doubt rev. Kelly did it 100%
If you read the book you most likely would change your mind about Rev. Kelly.
Can someone tell me who “dad” is?
Her father Bill James. She coauthored this book with him. He is a famed baseball statistician.
So good but probably fictional?
Not really. It is actually probable.
It's actually fact but there are so many cases that are eerily similar from around 1885 -1923 or 4 which is why the book is so interesting putting so many together but there are a few theories.
Vallasca? Bruh 🤣🤣🤣
I know, it was irritating me to death! It’s Vill-IS-ca dude!
@@tigerlioness1 .
Vill as in Pill
iss as in Piss
ca as in
.........don't make me say it.