Note worthy: A copied mutation spell counts toward how often the creature has mutated. Also Clone is the worst example to copy Ivy. If you instead use Spitting Image or Cackling Counterpart on Ivy you don't only get a clone of her mutated version but also a clone of another creature like Eternal Witness who can return Cackling counterpart or a land to recast Spitting Image. basicly doubling your amount of Ivys for 2GGUU while also generating an army of Eternal Witnesses.
@@joshuaivanov5963 Imagine when you copy a permanent spell you use a token-card to represent it and when it resolves it becomes a token creature. That is how copy creature spells work. Basicly the same Volo works with Mutate if you want to look up already listed rules. If Ivy is still on the battlefield the copied spell mutates onto her like a regular mutate creature would do. That means that mutation actually counts towards the creatures that have a mutate trigger with X, where X is the number of times this creature has mutated. If e.g. your ivy has 3 copy mutations on top of her Auspicious Starrix, Migratory Greatorn and Sawtusk Demolischer the next time you cast a mutation like (Archipelagore) spell on any creature she gets a copy of that spell on her and X is 4 because another one is added. But if you copied her by casting Cackling Counterpart on a creature before casting Archipelagore you have two ivys and each of them get a Archipelagore mutated on her. By being a copy of the pre mutated Ivy the copy has the same abilities but never mutated. Now that you cast Archipelagore, on a creature both get an actuall mutation from a Archipelagore copy spell. the 1st Ivy now has 4 mutations, the 2nd has 1 mutation but both have the same abilities. I hope that helps so far. Also the copy token of Ivy only works because you mutated another non legendary creature on top and changed her name and P/T to that creatures name & P/T e.g. if the 1st mutation you put on her is Sawtusk Demolisher you basicly now have a 6/6 Sawtusk demolischer with trample flying and the mutate ability that mutated 1 time. Also if someone destroys Ivy while you have a creature spell copy on the stack that tries to mutate on to her that spell stops being a mutation spell and enters as a token.
Hello magic and Commander community :) I am relatively new to magic and I was wondering where you guys get the ideas for all these cards ? Is there a website where you can type in what kind of effect in a card / type of card with a certain effect you are searching for ? As a new player that would help me very much in getting an overview of what kind of cards I could include in a deck. Thank you in advance ! 😊
Welcome! scryfall.com is an incredible resource - the best search engine out there for magic cards. EDHREC.com is another good resource for ideas for cards that might work well with a specific commander or theme
I wasn't thinking the mutate route. I had Simic Enchantron in mind instead. Colossification. Have either an untap spell or Leyline of Anticipation (to drop Col right before your upkeep). 22 commander damage in the air to anybody who looks at you funny, plus a +20/+20 creature you can keep as a blocker. Helm of the Gods + Shimmering Wings (a single U for an enchantment that can bounce itself for U; I used to use this to spam Faeries with Alela before I discovered / could afford Sensei's Divining Top) can also result in a ridiculous number of enchantments clogging the board until you can get in for something huge. Shimmerwing Chimera can freely bounce one of your auras every turn for another recast, meaning another copy. You can use Portal of Sanctuary on your enchantment patsy to bounce it back and then recast it again, thus giving Ivy yet another copy of your most critical enchantments upon reacst. Ivy makes for a great home for that Errant, Street Artist from New Capenna, thus copying that copied enchantment spell yet again. Oh, and Eldrazi Conscription isn't Legendary. Just saying. If you need protection from removal, Slip Out the Back can essentially phase out your enchantment patsy _and_ your commander all at once. It's almost as good at protecting your board as Teferi's Protection. (Your life is another story, but hey, what do you want for _one_ Blue mana?) If you're looking to double up on the commander, there's also Double Major and Helm of the Host. Helm isn't _that_ much more expensive than Spark Double, relatively speaking, and I consider it a staple of any "Elegant Egotist" (clone your commander as many times as possible for bonkers advantage) deck. Y'know what's a _really_ funny spell to cast with Ivy on board? Sublime Epiphany.
My first thought was something like: Some temporary-token-creature engine, like Mimic Vat. Cast Rancor on Vat's token. Ivy gets a copy of Rancor. Vat's token exiles at end of turn, sending Rancor to GY, when sends Rancor to hand. Repeat every turn.
Shielding phlax can also bully other voltron decks by removing their ability to target their own creature. At the same time you make your commander hexproof and you draw two cards so it's an awesome tech
Sadly parallel lives/doubling season type of effect wont work on copied spells. They only work on tokens created, not copies of a permanent spell (weird ruling). In short, it wouldnt work with ivy's ability, whose not copying the aura, but the spell itself, and thus, even with a parallel lives, would create only one aura. (also, mutate can make ivy nonlegendary, clone her and profit)
If the aura copy enters play as a token copy of the aura then the token copy would get copied, so whichever creature was getting the copy of the aura would end up with two token copies of the aura once the copied aura spell has resolved.
As stated above, it wont double the number of auras you get through ivy's ability. Same principle for volo. Check it out. Saying the opposite wont change anything, the rules are not always intuitive.
ok so now we have the simic version of feather, zada, and shu yun and im not sure if its on the same level as them or is the standard level of simic broken
as well as Silverfur Partisan "whenever a wolf or werewolf you control becomes the target of an instant or sorcery spell, put a 2/2 wolf creature token onto the battlefield."
Add in Raised by Wolves for that too! "When Raised by Wolves enters the battlefield, create two 2/2 green Wolf creature tokens. Enchanted creature gets +1/+1 for each Wolf you control." Does a pseudo Ancestral mask for another win con.
I immediately noticed Orvar the All-Form would go directly in a deck for this, both copying a creature and copying your spells for even nuttier value seems good
@@toewoe Yeah, that's true. I was talking about the fact you are targeting something with the original cast of your spell, so you can get extra value off it in multiple ways.
If you're going for an enchantment/aura centered strategy, Crown of the Ages can change the target of the original aura to target Ivy instead, to put both enchantments on Ivy. Works well with stuff like Ancestral Mask to smack people for good damage
What happens if you copy the commander (with sakisma or something to get around legend rule)? Does targeting one of the copies of her mean that you get a copy of the spell for each of them?
The copy that you're targetting would not get to trigger its ability. Because the card is effectively saying "When you cast a spell that targets one OTHER creature..." Whenever a card self references, mechanically it just means 'this card'. Any other copies or the original that are in play would get their ability triggered though. Even though they share the name "Ivy, Gleeful Spellthief" they are not the target and can be triggered.
New player here - Does the mutate effect scute swarm's copy ability? This was mentioned around 13:30 mins into the video. I play it in one of my decks but as the rulings state the below I thought it wouldn't? The token copy won't copy counters or damage marked on Scute Swarm, nor will it copy other effects that have changed Scute Swarm's power, toughness, types, color, and so on. Normally, this means the token will simply be a Scute Swarm, but if any copy effects have affected the original Scute Swarm, the token will take those into account.
would auspicious starrix be 1x for the first spell and 2x for the second for a total of three perms with just cast the mutate? not sure how X works if both spells are in the stack
Mutate is my favourite mechanic in years, but there's just not enough of it printed to really build around. This is immediately the best Mutate commander I've seen as you can cram in as many mutate creatures as you want, and then still fill out the deck with other synergies. Also mutate helps balance the need for enough spells to target creatures, and enough creatures to target with spells by filling both roles.
Phantasmal image? Why would you want a copy of your commander that makes spells target it which don’t normally target it to be an illusion which dies if it gets targeted.
I forget the other cards involed with making cerulean wings infinite but there is a chance this becomes a legacy combo deck. The UW seems more powerful but summoners pact exsisting makes this one the more likely canidate in my eyes
I know it's only joke, but whatever you hit Zada with, she would just get 1 extra of. And typically in Zada you are just giving her a +1/+0 + haste + draw a card. Or other small buffs since it is go wide, so in the end, yes she would benefit, but really not all that much. I say this having a Zada deck and will for sure be making this. Zada is go wide, this is go big with at least 2, and possibly wide with more (but they will still be big and not as wide).
@@1Kurgan1 With just her and Zada you do still get at least 3 copies of every spell you cast that only targets Zada regardless of the rest of your board state. I imagine this could be very fun with Irenicus's Vile Duplication. Not saying it would be optimized to win but it would be very fun
K you got me- i ordered a song of the worldsoul, its cool and affordable. Ivy is going into my legendary chaos deck, ill want copies later for esix, aesi, ghidorah, jorn and one to hang on my wall of sparkly stuff:)
i have a really big question here what modifacations should be made for when you play this deck on say MTG Arena? so far outta like idk 20 or so games ive yet to even come close to pulling off a win. Hatee to say it but it is a VERY slow deck with a bit much on high CMC cards
Keep in mind that Stolen Identity won't be nearly as effective in this manner unless you negate the "legend" rule with, for example, Sakashima of a Thousand Faces. The copy of Ivy would just die immediately otherwise.
FYI- "Clone" and similar creature spells do not technically target other creatures, and so do not trigger Ivy's ability. It's an obscure ruling from 2013, but on the clone creature's ETB you name a card to be copied rather than target the card to be copied. (On the flip side of the coin, creature spells like "Clone" can ignore Shroud and Hexproof because of the same technicality.) I blame Eddie ;)
I don't think mutate and clone would work because you have to put the creature on top for it to be non-legendary and that also changes the name of the creature so it wouldn't copy it for Ivy as she doesn't exist anymore. I could be wrong but thats just how I think it would work
In Mtg, the effect typically has its name instead of "this card". So even though her name is no longer Ivy, the effect still works. At least from my understanding 🤷
12:35 so question if yopu go down the mutate route based on how ivy is written how would that work because it reads "the copy targets ivy" but there is no ivy on the board
Similar to mutate but not quite as good cause of thing you pointed out bout the clones. bestow works really well with this commander since you get to double up the card that you are bestowing giving you 2 copies
Save for a few weeks for the deck you really want. Precons are a good place to start, and then slowly add upgrades. Or just price cards online, and save until you can splurge on your dream deck. Regardless, just have fun
Copy in Simic is a dangerous game, Volo and Echoing Equation proved that I think, but with fairies? XD Oh that'll be fun just in tribe let alone all the nutty things you have access to in the colors.
Echoing Equation would be INSANE in Ivy! Turn all your creatures into Ivy, then target just one of your creatures, and all your creatures get that effect.
Just a point that Nylea's Colossus isn't a spell that targets. It's a creature that upon entering the battlefield targets. So it shouldn't work with the commander.
@@regaleagle6533 copies wouldn’t trigger an ETB. The spell just gets copied and new targets can be chosen for said copy. ETB’s only count when you cast/play permanents. The ruling is “603.6a Enters-the-battlefield abilities trigger when a permanent enters the battlefield”. Only one permanent is entering.
Bruh I know for a fact other commanders do this but I'm reverse... the other one who's name I'm forgetting is just whenever a creature becomes the target of a spell copy it for each other creature it can and those spells target those creatures
@@Tom-vw7rg that's what i mean. So mutate on a other card, put the clone on top of her. And use a creature copy spell won't work. yes you can copy the mutated copy of her. but her abillity wont work. the tokens/copy spells will fizzle. there is no Ivy to target
@@8020erwin There is still an Ivy to target. She just has a different name. In Mtg, cards use their name instead of "this exact card". So having her name be something else doesn't alter the effect.
Enchantments is the safe way to go.. Go nuts.. Go spellslingers. my mans Archmage Emeritus - Orvar the Allform feeling so left out. Especially if you already have a Witness out to keep copying to keep bouncing more spells back to hand.. Karok Wrangler loves his mans Sage of Hours.
Yes. And you get to pick the best ones. Your opponent lightening bolt a creature you own. Pass on it’s your opponent plays a pump spell on theirs, you can copy it.
Oh dang mutate ... I've been waiting for a new mutate commander as I miss playing Mutate, love it!!!! Wowzer... clone you commander and things get wild!
You can use a spell to bounce your commander back to the zone, taking the Mutates with it. Max Makes Magic puts his whole deck in the command zone, because he can 🤣
Important to note: currently Ivy Gleeful Spellthief does not work, because there is no game object named Ivy, so she will create effects with no targets, so even if you copy those copies with something like Twinning Staff, those copies will also have no targets that can be selected because the spell they're copying has no targets. I expect this will be errata'd before she officially releases.
This just makes her an even better commander. If someone at the table tries to use this as an argument to why she shouldn't work, you know not to play with them anymore. She's the perfect casual commander therefore lol.
No? Many legendary creatures with titles refer to themselves without said title. And (assuming Gatherer is correct) their oracle text does not include their full card name in those abilities. Arashi, the Sky Asunder allows to discard "Arashi". Yet, there is no card named simply "Arashi". However, if Ivy's last sentence was "The copy targets a creature called Ivy" then it would be different, as you'd need a card called exactly "Ivy" to be the target.
Ooh throw in bestow creatures and copy them and even if opponent wipes board instant army back. Or all the enchantments that goad creatures. Removal and pump commander
I don’t think this works with mutate as you think it does, because Ivy’s ability depends on her name, and once you mutate her into another creature, she ceases to have her name.
Where is the Strionic Resonator ? 😛 You pay 2 for copying a second time every targetables spells ! That artifact break the rules (for "single target"), I think it's insane
What I like about this is that it doesn't have the "once per turn" clause
Note worthy: A copied mutation spell counts toward how often the creature has mutated.
Also Clone is the worst example to copy Ivy. If you instead use Spitting Image or Cackling Counterpart on Ivy you don't only get a clone of her mutated version but also a clone of another creature like Eternal Witness who can return Cackling counterpart or a land to recast Spitting Image.
basicly doubling your amount of Ivys for 2GGUU while also generating an army of Eternal Witnesses.
it would be just 1uu if you make a copy of e witness
@@mckenziestone3302 ahh right. I somehow had in mind to pay for the Witness too.
How would a copied mutation work in that sense? Sorry, I still have trouble wrapping my head around some of the rulings...
@@joshuaivanov5963 Imagine when you copy a permanent spell you use a token-card to represent it and when it resolves it becomes a token creature.
That is how copy creature spells work. Basicly the same Volo works with Mutate if you want to look up already listed rules.
If Ivy is still on the battlefield the copied spell mutates onto her like a regular mutate creature would do. That means that mutation actually counts towards the creatures that have a mutate trigger with X, where X is the number of times this creature has mutated.
If e.g. your ivy has 3 copy mutations on top of her Auspicious Starrix, Migratory Greatorn and Sawtusk Demolischer the next time you cast a mutation like (Archipelagore) spell on any creature she gets a copy of that spell on her and X is 4 because another one is added. But if you copied her by casting Cackling Counterpart on a creature before casting Archipelagore you have two ivys and each of them get a Archipelagore mutated on her.
By being a copy of the pre mutated Ivy the copy has the same abilities but never mutated. Now that you cast Archipelagore, on a creature both get an actuall mutation from a Archipelagore copy spell. the 1st Ivy now has 4 mutations, the 2nd has 1 mutation but both have the same abilities.
I hope that helps so far.
Also the copy token of Ivy only works because you mutated another non legendary creature on top and changed her name and P/T to that creatures name & P/T e.g. if the 1st mutation you put on her is Sawtusk Demolisher you basicly now have a 6/6 Sawtusk demolischer with trample flying and the mutate ability that mutated 1 time.
Also if someone destroys Ivy while you have a creature spell copy on the stack that tries to mutate on to her that spell stops being a mutation spell and enters as a token.
Hello magic and Commander community :) I am relatively new to magic and I was wondering where you guys get the ideas for all these cards ? Is there a website where you can type in what kind of effect in a card / type of card with a certain effect you are searching for ? As a new player that would help me very much in getting an overview of what kind of cards I could include in a deck.
Thank you in advance ! 😊
Welcome!
scryfall.com is an incredible resource - the best search engine out there for magic cards.
EDHREC.com is another good resource for ideas for cards that might work well with a specific commander or theme
@@TheCommandersQuarters This is why you're the best Mtg UA-camr out there. You're just a great guy
love it (finally something super unique for simic other than copying creatures and lands)
You also forgot Ramp AND draw cards.
It's still going in those decks though, let's be honest lol.
isn't it off color though? I mean copying spells is blue/red right?
copying creatures is huge with Ivy though. you'll get an extra copy.
@@AngelusNielson simic is wacky I guess. Of course red blue is as well
I wasn't thinking the mutate route. I had Simic Enchantron in mind instead. Colossification. Have either an untap spell or Leyline of Anticipation (to drop Col right before your upkeep). 22 commander damage in the air to anybody who looks at you funny, plus a +20/+20 creature you can keep as a blocker.
Helm of the Gods + Shimmering Wings (a single U for an enchantment that can bounce itself for U; I used to use this to spam Faeries with Alela before I discovered / could afford Sensei's Divining Top) can also result in a ridiculous number of enchantments clogging the board until you can get in for something huge. Shimmerwing Chimera can freely bounce one of your auras every turn for another recast, meaning another copy. You can use Portal of Sanctuary on your enchantment patsy to bounce it back and then recast it again, thus giving Ivy yet another copy of your most critical enchantments upon reacst. Ivy makes for a great home for that Errant, Street Artist from New Capenna, thus copying that copied enchantment spell yet again. Oh, and Eldrazi Conscription isn't Legendary. Just saying. If you need protection from removal, Slip Out the Back can essentially phase out your enchantment patsy _and_ your commander all at once. It's almost as good at protecting your board as Teferi's Protection. (Your life is another story, but hey, what do you want for _one_ Blue mana?)
If you're looking to double up on the commander, there's also Double Major and Helm of the Host. Helm isn't _that_ much more expensive than Spark Double, relatively speaking, and I consider it a staple of any "Elegant Egotist" (clone your commander as many times as possible for bonkers advantage) deck.
Y'know what's a _really_ funny spell to cast with Ivy on board? Sublime Epiphany.
Sublime would have to only target one creature to activate Ivy, so I can't think of what you mean.
My first thought was something like: Some temporary-token-creature engine, like Mimic Vat. Cast Rancor on Vat's token. Ivy gets a copy of Rancor. Vat's token exiles at end of turn, sending Rancor to GY, when sends Rancor to hand. Repeat every turn.
Shielding phlax can also bully other voltron decks by removing their ability to target their own creature. At the same time you make your commander hexproof and you draw two cards so it's an awesome tech
I love Mutate as a mechanism and this legendary makes it just that more awesome
Cast an extra turn spell like karns temporal tsundering, return other creatures and copy it with this commander, 2 extra turns
nutty, mind blown
Pairing this with Vesuvan Duplimancy and mutate (and other stuff) seems like it could be really cool
Sadly parallel lives/doubling season type of effect wont work on copied spells. They only work on tokens created, not copies of a permanent spell (weird ruling).
In short, it wouldnt work with ivy's ability, whose not copying the aura, but the spell itself, and thus, even with a parallel lives, would create only one aura.
(also, mutate can make ivy nonlegendary, clone her and profit)
If the aura copy enters play as a token copy of the aura then the token copy would get copied, so whichever creature was getting the copy of the aura would end up with two token copies of the aura once the copied aura spell has resolved.
As stated above, it wont double the number of auras you get through ivy's ability. Same principle for volo. Check it out.
Saying the opposite wont change anything, the rules are not always intuitive.
I want to remake my Volo Mutate/Bestow deck now.
ok so now we have the simic version of feather, zada, and shu yun and im not sure if its on the same level as them or is the standard level of simic broken
as well as Silverfur Partisan "whenever a wolf or werewolf you control becomes the target of an instant or sorcery spell, put a 2/2 wolf creature token onto the battlefield."
Add in Raised by Wolves for that too!
"When Raised by Wolves enters the battlefield, create two 2/2 green Wolf creature tokens.
Enchanted creature gets +1/+1 for each Wolf you control."
Does a pseudo Ancestral mask for another win con.
I immediately noticed Orvar the All-Form would go directly in a deck for this, both copying a creature and copying your spells for even nuttier value seems good
Copying a spell does not trigger orvar, I had an orvar deck and that is what the judge said
@@toewoe Yeah, that's true. I was talking about the fact you are targeting something with the original cast of your spell, so you can get extra value off it in multiple ways.
If you're going for an enchantment/aura centered strategy, Crown of the Ages can change the target of the original aura to target Ivy instead, to put both enchantments on Ivy. Works well with stuff like Ancestral Mask to smack people for good damage
Omg this with mutate (illuna, apex of wishes) could be amazing
What happens if you copy the commander (with sakisma or something to get around legend rule)? Does targeting one of the copies of her mean that you get a copy of the spell for each of them?
The copy that you're targetting would not get to trigger its ability. Because the card is effectively saying "When you cast a spell that targets one OTHER creature..." Whenever a card self references, mechanically it just means 'this card'. Any other copies or the original that are in play would get their ability triggered though. Even though they share the name "Ivy, Gleeful Spellthief" they are not the target and can be triggered.
Feather “could this be one of my people”
New player here - Does the mutate effect scute swarm's copy ability? This was mentioned around 13:30 mins into the video. I play it in one of my decks but as the rulings state the below I thought it wouldn't?
The token copy won't copy counters or damage marked on Scute Swarm, nor will it copy other effects that have changed Scute Swarm's power, toughness, types, color, and so on. Normally, this means the token will simply be a Scute Swarm, but if any copy effects have affected the original Scute Swarm, the token will take those into account.
I'm assuming that twinning staff doesn't go infinite on copies of spells because they aren't cast?
Correct. Copied spells aren't "cast", but can still be interacted with (countered, etc)
would auspicious starrix be 1x for the first spell and 2x for the second for a total of three perms with just cast the mutate? not sure how X works if both spells are in the stack
i think they count as individual spells, X=1 both times i think
Love this! Commanders that can use obscure cards are my favorites.
Omg this looks like so much fun!
Mutate is my favourite mechanic in years, but there's just not enough of it printed to really build around. This is immediately the best Mutate commander I've seen as you can cram in as many mutate creatures as you want, and then still fill out the deck with other synergies. Also mutate helps balance the need for enough spells to target creatures, and enough creatures to target with spells by filling both roles.
If I have a commander deck I think you should cover how would I send it over to you?
unfortunately cards like Clone and Phantasmal Image don't target. You have to clone with a spell like Rite of Replication
Phantasmal image? Why would you want a copy of your commander that makes spells target it which don’t normally target it to be an illusion which dies if it gets targeted.
@@regaleagle6533 I was just thinking of clones off the top of my head, but you're right
Question: If you mutate the copy in to the commander and its stays on top, will we still be assigning commander damage? Great deck tech 👏
Yes
I forget the other cards involed with making cerulean wings infinite but there is a chance this becomes a legacy combo deck. The UW seems more powerful but summoners pact exsisting makes this one the more likely canidate in my eyes
Thank god it says you may cus I really wouldn’t wanna copy a swords to plowshare
if going the clone/token route, 2 cool cards that synergize with it are Rite of Replication and Echoing Might
Echoing Courage? I assume that is what you mean.
Going to ask my group if I can run her and Zada as partner commanders XD
I know it's only joke, but whatever you hit Zada with, she would just get 1 extra of. And typically in Zada you are just giving her a +1/+0 + haste + draw a card. Or other small buffs since it is go wide, so in the end, yes she would benefit, but really not all that much.
I say this having a Zada deck and will for sure be making this. Zada is go wide, this is go big with at least 2, and possibly wide with more (but they will still be big and not as wide).
@@1Kurgan1 With just her and Zada you do still get at least 3 copies of every spell you cast that only targets Zada regardless of the rest of your board state. I imagine this could be very fun with Irenicus's Vile Duplication.
Not saying it would be optimized to win but it would be very fun
This looks like a fun 2HG card. Throw this in your deck while your partner is playing Boros Heroic.
K you got me- i ordered a song of the worldsoul, its cool and affordable.
Ivy is going into my legendary chaos deck, ill want copies later for esix, aesi, ghidorah, jorn and one to hang on my wall of sparkly stuff:)
i have a really big question here
what modifacations should be made for when you play this deck on say MTG Arena?
so far outta like idk 20 or so games ive yet to even come close to pulling off a win.
Hatee to say it but it is a VERY slow deck with a bit much on high CMC cards
Mirror box, Orvar the all form, Ivy and start casting beneficial spells. Throw in coat of arms. Oooooo, also cipher ability cards.
Keep in mind that Stolen Identity won't be nearly as effective in this manner unless you negate the "legend" rule with, for example, Sakashima of a Thousand Faces. The copy of Ivy would just die immediately otherwise.
@@AKitchell that is why I started with mirror box, the legend rule doesn't apply.
How does it work with Karn's temporal summoning
ok, a bit of an Order of operation question i believe, would mutating onto Ivy trigger a Panharmonicon?
No, mutating things never technically enter the battlefield. They are merged with something else.
Thank you! my brain was struggling with that one.
Are you able to construct a deck using Lim Dul The Necromancer as commander?
i was wondering, where are you finding these spoilers? i find scryfall is pretty good but you always have some before scryfall does
Ivy combing off a feather budget deck
The 'may' distinction is very important.
FYI- "Clone" and similar creature spells do not technically target other creatures, and so do not trigger Ivy's ability. It's an obscure ruling from 2013, but on the clone creature's ETB you name a card to be copied rather than target the card to be copied. (On the flip side of the coin, creature spells like "Clone" can ignore Shroud and Hexproof because of the same technicality.)
I blame Eddie ;)
Stormchaser Drake also acts as a second Gnarlback Rhino with air evasion
I don't think mutate and clone would work because you have to put the creature on top for it to be non-legendary and that also changes the name of the creature so it wouldn't copy it for Ivy as she doesn't exist anymore. I could be wrong but thats just how I think it would work
In Mtg, the effect typically has its name instead of "this card".
So even though her name is no longer Ivy, the effect still works.
At least from my understanding 🤷
question, ETB effects that target creatures dont work with this commander right?
Yes it has to target on cast
12:35 so question if yopu go down the mutate route based on how ivy is written how would that work because it reads "the copy targets ivy" but there is no ivy on the board
Yes, "copy targets Ivy" in other words means "copy targets this exact card"
@@risacz And that means Ivy ALSO gets mutated.
play morrite of the frost targeting a mutate outlet, bounce moritte, add a mana loop, and you have infinite commanders
Invisible Stalker and Silhana Ledgewalker are solid includes
Similar to mutate but not quite as good cause of thing you pointed out bout the clones.
bestow works really well with this commander since you get to double up the card that you are bestowing giving you 2 copies
Livewire Lash gives some good value to this commander. Strionic resonater isn't too bad
As a person that only ever has $10 extra a week to spend on cards how do y’all budget. I have all their 3/2 decks but it takes forever. Any advice
Save for a few weeks for the deck you really want.
Precons are a good place to start, and then slowly add upgrades.
Or just price cards online, and save until you can splurge on your dream deck.
Regardless, just have fun
Copy in Simic is a dangerous game, Volo and Echoing Equation proved that I think, but with fairies? XD Oh that'll be fun just in tribe let alone all the nutty things you have access to in the colors.
Echoing Equation would be INSANE in Ivy! Turn all your creatures into Ivy, then target just one of your creatures, and all your creatures get that effect.
@@AKitchell Then play cantrips that draw most of your deck
I feel like using swindlers scheme could work well for this deck
Just a point that Nylea's Colossus isn't a spell that targets. It's a creature that upon entering the battlefield targets. So it shouldn't work with the commander.
Ivy indeed does not copy the trigger. The colossus does however trigger of of both the original enchantment and the token entering the battlefield
Do artifacts that enter the battlefield and automatically equip to a creature work?
prob not i think thats an etb effect
Why would nylea’s colossus trigger twice for one aura? The commander copies the spell not creature effects. Am I missing something?
It makes a copied aura which enters the battlefield two auras.
@@regaleagle6533 copies wouldn’t trigger an ETB. The spell just gets copied and new targets can be chosen for said copy. ETB’s only count when you cast/play permanents. The ruling is “603.6a Enters-the-battlefield abilities trigger when a permanent enters the battlefield”. Only one permanent is entering.
@@raikar848 two permanents is entering the battlefield. First the Aura, then the copy of the aura.
@@raikar848 the copy isn’t a created token or cast but it is a permanent and it does ETB and it does stay on your commander as an aura
this may be a dumb question but will the aura tokens still count as enchantments?
yes they will :)
Bruh I know for a fact other commanders do this but I'm reverse... the other one who's name I'm forgetting is just whenever a creature becomes the target of a spell copy it for each other creature it can and those spells target those creatures
You may "copy". I think for something like Season of Growth it has to say "cast" or is copy also counting as casting?
Copy isn't casting. However, a copy of the spell is cast (so it can be countered).
Can be a little confusing
if you mutate on top of her, how can you put the clone on ivy. Since there is no longer an ivy on the battlefield?
For mutate, the name of the card not on top of the stack is essentially replaced with whatever the top card is
@@Tom-vw7rg that's what i mean. So mutate on a other card, put the clone on top of her. And use a creature copy spell won't work. yes you can copy the mutated copy of her. but her abillity wont work. the tokens/copy spells will fizzle. there is no Ivy to target
@Kimbafan02 but then you no longer can copy it with clone like explained in the video
@@8020erwin There is still an Ivy to target. She just has a different name.
In Mtg, cards use their name instead of "this exact card". So having her name be something else doesn't alter the effect.
This card should slot right into the Eutropia deck. its insane
Putting that ouphe in my mutate deck and maybe her as well. Sounds fun that she gets all the stuff I’m dropping on my other dudes.
i am definitely making a commander deck of her
Does the copy spell count towards storm?
Storm specifies cast, copies are not cast. Hence magecraft, as an example.
Bestow creatures also go hard in this
This reminds me of a lighter version of Zada, Hedron Grinder except it counts for auras as well
Zada doesn’t steal your opponents spells.
@@regaleagle6533 This is very true. Like a reverse Mirrorwing Dragon
Spellskite is a shoe-in for this one.
True, but keep in mind that it doesn't matter what creature gets targeted, even if it's your opponents' creatures. You can still copy it if you wish.
Enchantments is the safe way to go.. Go nuts.. Go spellslingers. my mans Archmage Emeritus - Orvar the Allform feeling so left out. Especially if you already have a Witness out to keep copying to keep bouncing more spells back to hand.. Karok Wrangler loves his mans Sage of Hours.
Kinda like a double spell of sorts, quite interesting
Karn's Temporal Sundering is just 2 extra turns
Can you take your opponents spells
And copy them
Yes. And you get to pick the best ones. Your opponent lightening bolt a creature you own. Pass on it’s your opponent plays a pump spell on theirs, you can copy it.
It’s simic enchant auras
twinning staff goes infinite with Ivy's ability doesn't it?
The only problem I see with her is that if u go the clone way the a single one target spell will take out your entire army
My play circles usually stock plenty of targeted removal spells. This commander wouldn't stay on the board for even a single turn.
It says *may* copy.
@@genericnameinc Right you are. Suddenly the card became exponentially better lol.
Oh dang mutate ... I've been waiting for a new mutate commander as I miss playing Mutate, love it!!!! Wowzer... clone you commander and things get wild!
Simic zada?
She's very similar to Feather but in better colors.
bant bogles about to go off.
so target removal always hits this lady?
"may" means you choose.
If you want it to, it can.
If you don't, then it won't
@@brandyourfan9244 ah i read over the "may" thank you :)
@@cheeso338 You're welcome.
I use Frog Tongue in my Enchantress deck. It just screams value.
Colossification?
Mutate working with this is freaking insane. Instant addition to my Otrimi deck
the gemrazer would be your commander because your commander is part of it
You can use a spell to bounce your commander back to the zone, taking the Mutates with it.
Max Makes Magic puts his whole deck in the command zone, because he can 🤣
Important to note: currently Ivy Gleeful Spellthief does not work, because there is no game object named Ivy, so she will create effects with no targets, so even if you copy those copies with something like Twinning Staff, those copies will also have no targets that can be selected because the spell they're copying has no targets.
I expect this will be errata'd before she officially releases.
This just makes her an even better commander. If someone at the table tries to use this as an argument to why she shouldn't work, you know not to play with them anymore. She's the perfect casual commander therefore lol.
No? Many legendary creatures with titles refer to themselves without said title. And (assuming Gatherer is correct) their oracle text does not include their full card name in those abilities.
Arashi, the Sky Asunder allows to discard "Arashi". Yet, there is no card named simply "Arashi".
However, if Ivy's last sentence was "The copy targets a creature called Ivy" then it would be different, as you'd need a card called exactly "Ivy" to be the target.
Ooh throw in bestow creatures and copy them and even if opponent wipes board instant army back. Or all the enchantments that goad creatures. Removal and pump commander
The better than goad enchantments work better so you don’t force your commander to attack into death
Unbelievable commander
Mitch is just scarred by Eddie playing too much simic
Does anyone else feel like this card should be more than 2 cmc.
She could be 3, but her effect is really not that crazy. Compared to the absolutely broken kinnan she's mild and intersting
Would Ivy be able to copy Equipment that have “ETB: attach to target creature” ?
No, because the spell itself doesn't target.
Path to exile doing a bit of trolling
Golden Pig?
I don’t think this works with mutate as you think it does, because Ivy’s ability depends on her name, and once you mutate her into another creature, she ceases to have her name.
If a card refers to itself in text the name essentially means [this card]. It works the same with Maresil the pretender gaining abilities
Simic player here, I do sound like that.
DON'T MAKE ME PLAY MY SIMIC LANDFALL!!!!!
Clone spells. That's what I'll do.
This just sounds like enchantress with extra steps /s
Boggles Commander?
Where is the Strionic Resonator ? 😛 You pay 2 for copying a second time every targetables spells ! That artifact break the rules (for "single target"), I think it's insane