Your mission if you choose to take it, load 10 rounds on the Area 419 and then 10 rounds on the Forester CO-AX, go shoot either a 10 shot group, or two five shot groups from each press and show the results. I don't care how things measure, I care how they perform.
Consistently is great and leads to amazing results. Unless you have the rifle bolted in a vise in a wind free tunnel that’s over 1000yards long, I doubt that you will see a difference in groupings when you’re trying to measure differences in less that 1 thousandth inch. Chances are that your precision rifle already shoots better than you can, and buying this press isn’t going to improve your accuracy. This is a press for “money is no object” people and maybe the top 0.1% of shooters. Unless you’re the type of person that’s consistently shooting 3/8 moa or better, I can’t even imagine buying this press. It’s an awesome piece of equipment, but let’s face it...... most people who buy it won’t even be able to tell a difference down range.
All the people upset about the price. 1200 really isn't that bad. This 100% made in USA and a relatively new startup company. 1200 is do able too. Im interested in one but just don't see the need for it now but when I get into precision shooting and load I will buy one
That didn’t age well 😂. They sell every one they build, and run a 3 month backlog on new orders. Even the big box stores like Scheels cant keep them in stock.
I bought my Dillon 650 with the case feeder & a few other Dillon accessories to go on the press and a RCBS rock choker supreme for less than what the 419 Zero press cost. We are driving the prices for reloading equipment and supplies higher and higher. We are our own worst enemy paying outrageous prices for stuff.
@@Ultimatereloader That's what my dad used to say about my Snap-On tools. "Jewels!" There is a lot to be said about the feel & use of high quality tools. I don't even reload, but I like the presentation of your vid, & the shop in the background. Looks like an old B&S horizontal miller too, I could partially see it on your right.
If you want to reduce bullet runout even further, may I suggest double seating the bullet, after turning the cartridge 90 degrees in the base plate. This will reduce runout on ANY die, but on a competition die ... it should have particularly good results ... just a suggestion ...
That press is a work of art. The price of entry is also not bad considering the price of most of the turret presses on the market. A huge plus for me is that it’s made in the USA.
@@MrMalicious5 I have a Dillon 550b, a Dillon 650XL and a Zero (and a Forster Co-Ax and.a Redding T-7 and a RCIV). They are completely different presses with completely different purposes. It's probably one of those things that you have to actually have the Zero in front of you to be able to "get it". They both produce ammo, sure, and the Dillon will do it faster, no doubt. But getting the consistency of the Zero with a Dillon will never happen.
@@MrMalicious5 Are you shooting F Class? Or shooting past 600 yards? If not, no, the difference probably won't be noticeable. Are you trying to hit an IPSC at 1250 yards 5 times in a row? You're going to want to have every possible thing in your favor. You kind of missed my point about 1/2 MOA. My point was that if the shooter can't shoot 1/2 MOA in the first place, the press won't matter, because no matter what, the shooter won't be able to take advantage of the improvement. The consistency will be appreciated by the shooters that are capable of "shooting as well as the rifle" and can therefore take advantage of what improved ammo in said rifle offers. I measured several hundred rounds of .338LM, .308 and 6.5CM. The improvement was real.
Very much anticipated and interesting review. Thank you. Aside from it financially being beyond my grasp, I’m in the infancy of my reloading experience and have much to learn before I could truly appreciate that fine piece of equipment.
Just received mine today and I’m very impressed with both the design and build quality. Being able to have 3 or 4 caliber set up without readjusting dies will be a big time saver.
Wouldn't a co ax or anything with Hornady bushings actually save time? 2 seconds to swap a die as compared to loosening, turning, then re torque the allen?
The one thing that really stood out to me about the 419 is the time and effort put into the ram mechanism. Man, the way they designed it, it appears that it will never wear out. You can't hear any metal to metal sound when the ram is being operated. I know that most of the intent of the design is for extreme accuracy, but it also lends to minimal wear which I find more interesting. For that alone it's well worth the money. I won't ever need to have ammunition that accurate, but I'd pay the price just for the piece of mind and not to have to constantly tweak and adjust due to slop in the ram and turret heads. I don't shoot much, so in my process, I zero primed cases on a scale, weigh the charge, drop it in the case, and weigh the case to keep them within a 10th of a grain tolerance just as a little extra precaution for personal piece of mind. I respect and enjoy the entire process of reloading and therefore do not mind the extra time invested in it, the end result is just as rewarding if not more rewarding than shooting the ammunition after producing it. This new press truly appears to be as close to "bullet proof" as you can get.
Very nice! I can see having as many as three calibers setup on this machine, or two with a dedicated universal decapper and say a factory crimp die for each caliber. I also really like their unique shellholder setup, as well as the numbered stations on the tool head. Looks like a direct higher-end competitor to the Redding T-7. Thanks for the detailed overview. P.S. I know accuracy is it’s own reward, but I could buy 4 Forster Co-Ax presses for $1200, LOL! I have two excellent single stage presses and a Dillon progressive for now, so think I’ll be sticking with those, but maybe someday...!
I don’t understand the people who are commenting about the price, if you don’t think it’s worth the money you can buy something else. I think it’s a beautiful tool and a lot of folks will line up to buy it. I’m curious about the performance and if top level competitors will adopt it.
@@MrTdacosta I think you’re right Skip. I look at this press like a Rolex, a $25 digital watch will get the job done, but a Rolex is something special. Craftsmanship and precision is worth the expense to some people, and that’s a good thing.
Very impressive press. I am certain there are people who can justify such a crazy expensive precision tool; I’ll keep on wishing while loading along on my Redding. Thanks for another high quality review Gavin, keep them coming.
I would be interested in a direct comparison of accuracy with the Zero press versus what you were using to reload this cartridge previously (cartridges loaded during same session to minimize variables). The press is pricey and I am sure it is very nice but, the real value is if the accuracy is notably improved.
Gavin thanks for the great video...again :). Please load 10 rounds with this press then with Prazzi Press and please video that and update us :). Thank you G.
I watched the graphics on the packaging and thought, "That cost money.," Then I saw the way it was packed and thought, "That cost money." And then I learned it was made of aluminum. A turret press like this versus a single stage press like a lowly RCBS Rock Chucker is only about convenience. It was a great try. Does it make better ammo? At $1200 vs. $150 I suppose it could. But maybe not enough to matter $1050.
If you pre order you get the dust cover for free, not that you couldn’t just use an old pillow case. I agree customer service should be strong for 1st tier products but I also expect not to have to utilize it. If I paid this much for a press I’d better not have a single kinda problem with it.
Honestly underpriced when compared to that $600 Primal Rights Competition Primer Seater. I hope he didn't pay for that- at very least it would be a tax write-off. I believe that robbery is considered to be a capital loss!
The extreme simplicity of this design leads me to believe youd never have issues other than maybe having to replace some bearings (easy af). Honestly if you know your way around solidworks you could make your own.......
I've been reloading with my Lyman Spartan single-stage press for nearly 50 years. It still performs quite nicely. If someone were to say to me that the ammunition that I reload with this $1,200 press would be so much better, I would respond "I wouldn't be able to tell the difference!" If I were competing at Camp Perry, well ... maybe. But I'm not, so I'm going to save $1,200 and stick with my 50 year-old Spartan!
I love all the Equipment you showed but unfortunately people like my self could never afford the equipment you showed but thank you for showing what some people can afford
At this price point (understandable if they're hand machined one at a time), it only makes sense if you're using fairly large rifle cartridges that require extreme precision. If you make money as a competative marksman, I could see getting one. If that $1200 would then start making me money, why not. Otherwise, not worth the expense in my opinion.
The companies which operate Brownells in Europe often add a huge ‘mark-up’ to their prices. Even the Redding presses are 75% overpriced on the Brownells-UK website.
@@Russell-1 In Switzerland is the worst Brownells they started this year making 10% on products that nobody wants to buy and for Black Friday when all products are 15% of the expensive ones have no discount. Not saying that they have bad products but paying double the price for them makes you think twice before buying.
I used a RCBS AmmoMaster .50bmg press for about 20 years. The big press makes reloading easy, however there is some play in the unit. I shoot a lot of long range (dasher, 6br, and .338LM), and consistency is paramount - that means good dies, a good press, precision powder measuring, calipers, headspace gauges, etc. I bought this press, their decapper and the ugly reloading primer system - I expect with a little more diligence while reloading, I should get better shots at distance. This press is expensive at about $1400 shipped with tax, but I shoot ~3000 rounds/yr so it's about an extra 2-3 cents/round over it's life. Components cost about .85 cents/round. Then there are barrels. This isn't an inexpensive hobby.
I guess, like anything else, it's all relative. I have a Rock Chucker II single stage press kit I bought from Cabelas for less than $200, back in '92. I have never loaded more than 50 rounds at a time. Mostly magnum rifle and pistol cartridges for hunting, but never a problem with loads, accuracy, and functionality. Still have some of those original cartridges left from my teeth cutting days at handloading. Someone else may need a $1,200 rig that cranks out higher quantities faster, and looks more like something that belongs on the MIR space station, than on a reloading bench. I say, "Have at it!"
Oh boy, now we have boutique reloading presses for the rich. I'll just hire a security force and buy my own ammo to plink with when I become that rich. Sheesh...
$1200 kills it. Youve gotta bring a LOT to the table for people to justify that kinda money on a press and you can only do so much with a reloading press. IMO, id buy a $350 Redding and then go spend $800 on components. You can tell its quality and very precise, but is it any better than others?
Glad I wasn't the only one noticing... I'd rather it was solidly bolted to my work surface. Any movement of the press is distracting, when you're trying to notice feel and sound as each round is processed. I need that consistency round-to-round to ensure precision, nearly flawless ammo.
I enjoyed your video, now for the cost, what will this press accomplish that my RCBS doesn't do already, this is just a question. Also when they start making dies such as RCBS I might take a second look.
Something about the press rubs people the wrong way! A lot of haters out there. Would I buy it? No. I don't need that precision in a round. I also don't have that ridiculous expensive scale he is using for the same reason. Did they call it "zero" because thats what's in your wallet after you pay for it? Maybe. But it is fine craftsmanship and there is a group of people who want that level of precision. Best of luck 419, I can't justify the cost personally but I hope there are many that can. The products I have purchased have been to notch.
I think its a very nice , No the nicest turret press made. Its interesting how they achieved the zero slop in the turret by the stem and wedge clamp/screw. I'm sure the benchrest crowd will love it. I would love to see its ammo compared to that of a Redding T-7 Turret press. I just ordered a Redding T-7. I'm just not in the tax bracket for the 419. I can buy 4 Redding's for the price of this really beautiful Area 419 at $1200. I suppose I am just too practical for this. Thanks for the review Gavin .Nice job showing the bearing placement etc.
For $1,200 you would think they’d throw in the dust cover. That’s a bit of a slap in the face. Even the hornady AP press throws in a free dust cover for half the price. I know the cost to manufacture is much higher but at least for the first year of sales they should throw in the dust cover as a thank you for taking the chance on such a new product with such a high cost. They spend the extra money on such a nice presentation with the packaging it would be a nice gesture on their part
I dont care about cost; I'll take quality over cost everyday. Everyone keeps recommending this and the more I look at it, the more intrigued I am. You should do a comparison video of the Area 419 vs Präzipress or Salvadori Firenze Supersport Eterna? These are the 3 presses I'm giving consideration to purchasing in the very near future and all are in the same price range. I know you were high on the Präzipress so which one would be your choice of the two and why?
I see a lot of comments about price,I’m in the uk and mines cost £1560 that’s $2100 lol,life is not a rehearsal,we only get one go around,so if you want it treat yourself
So he takes his $1.20/rd brass, runs it in a $1400 annealer. Then sizes it in custom made dies in his $1200 press. Takes it over to the $600 primer. Then off to his $1000 scale for a powder charge. By the time you pay for shipping and tax, you're over $5000 for a single stage reloading set up. Get real!
You hit the nail on the head that’s the problem with these guys They keep getting free stuff and they feel obligated to use it. All he needs now is someone to give him a high-end pocket knife then he could open the box with it. Lol
@@maxxbear5014 Exactly!!!! Keeps getting top end stuff given to him, now his reloading process is so far removed from 99% of his audience that it only vaguely resembles what they do. Taking my broke ass back over to JRB where I can relate...
I just buy factory ammo. Have been for 50 years. Never tried reloading. But mostly shooting handguns, no precision long range stuff. If I was to start reloading 9mm, 45acp, what would be a good progressive set-up? I would want something that would pass on to my kids & grandkids. (If they still have the 2A)
@@savage22bolt32 I have never used a progressive press myself. Only used a single stage press, for my bolt guns. There must be multiple places to find info and comparisons on them. On this channel or Johnny's Reloading Bench.
I don’t need one but I do want one. I’m not sure with the current methods dies are put in that this will be able to make better ammo that other presses. But it does seem like a joy to use, and I think that matters for something you use a lot
Impressive looking, unfortunately too rich for my blood. Like most things. 🤣 That said, your review as usual was awesome. I’m new to reloading and have learned many things from your channel. Also picked up a few products based on your reviews and detailed explanations on how to use them. Keep up the good work.
FClass guys will spend money on anything that works, we'll see how many of them buy them and don't go back to their old presses. The biggest difference in high quality presses today is mainly efficiency, can you do the same thing as the other press but faster with feeders, motors, etc. With this one, it seems to be slower than a normal press as you have to tighten the bolt every time you move a station and there is no real options for automating the press or feeding. I found huge improvements in quality dies and measurement equipment, but I load on several presses and can't say I've seen any variation in loaded ammo quality from one press to the next as long as you set them up right and know how to use them properly.
I’m a sucker for CNC precision equipment. With 9 stations you could set it up with 3 different calibers. I’d love to have one but I’ll have to be happy with my Rockchucker and 550c.
I've done some reloading in the past on a Dillon Square Deal. Not an expert by any stretch of the imagination. The biggest advantage to this that I see would be being able to set up multiple different calibers on the same plate, the just rotating them around as you change over to another caliber. You could have stations 1 and 2 dedicated to .308, stations 3 and 4 dedicated to 6.5 Creedmore, 5 and 6 to 9mm, and so on. The down side? $1200. If you pay $200 for a good single stage press, all other things being equal, how much powder, brass, primers and bullets can you buy using the other $1000?
When is someone going to make a higher quality auto indexing turret press? (aka a more precision version of the Lee Classic Turret?) I don't want just a single stage press, but I also don't want a full progressive, I want that automated in between but with good runout/die holding capabilities.
I think they do Paul its just there are so many more moving parts and tolerance stacking adds up in auto indexing presses. I looked hard for a year for the same thing. Read reviews specs etc on everything . I finally settled on a Dillon 550 a manual indexing 4 position press. I found I like hand priming after washing and trimming anyway. Think about that . Hope that helps brother. You can own it for less than this turret too. I own presses of every color but if I want best quality precision its done on my Dillon.
Gavin, how would you rate this press against the prazipress? I have the 120 and 140 prazipress’ and love them. Super stout machines. My only “issue” with this press is the aluminum main frame. When it comes to tooling I prefer a steel frame. But it does appear quite robust.
It's a terrific press for high precision and repeatability loading rifle cartridges, but having to release the wedge between dies slows it down too much for me. I prefer an auto-indexing turret press; the Lee Classic 4 Hole Turret Press serves nicely, for me, at least. Admittedly, I primarily load handgun cartridges in multiple calibers but I also load 223/5.56. My Lee press represents a good balance re: value, speed/volume of reloading and precision. There are a few tricks to getting great accuracy from a less expensive turret press.
Gavin, let's see the change in group size. Using one press then using this one. Reach out as far as possible, this may show a greater change in group size.
This is way above my shooting price setup...but i love stuff like this because it introduces more ideas and maybe improvements into the industry.
Your mission if you choose to take it, load 10 rounds on the Area 419 and then 10 rounds on the Forester CO-AX, go shoot either a 10 shot group, or two five shot groups from each press and show the results. I don't care how things measure, I care how they perform.
exactly,
I bet you wouldn't or at least most people wouldn't even notice a difference except for the price difference
I am happy with MEC Marksman. I just can't justify that price point for myself at this time.
Consistently is great and leads to amazing results. Unless you have the rifle bolted in a vise in a wind free tunnel that’s over 1000yards long, I doubt that you will see a difference in groupings when you’re trying to measure differences in less that 1 thousandth inch.
Chances are that your precision rifle already shoots better than you can, and buying this press isn’t going to improve your accuracy.
This is a press for “money is no object” people and maybe the top 0.1% of shooters.
Unless you’re the type of person that’s consistently shooting 3/8 moa or better, I can’t even imagine buying this press.
It’s an awesome piece of equipment, but let’s face it...... most people who buy it won’t even be able to tell a difference down range.
And I thought the prazipress was bad
All the people upset about the price. 1200 really isn't that bad. This 100% made in USA and a relatively new startup company. 1200 is do able too. Im interested in one but just don't see the need for it now but when I get into precision shooting and load I will buy one
Just purchased one of the Zero presses. Scheels has then in stock. Money well spent.
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Here for the comments about "friction and chafing" on your knob...
This would be great for my Range Pickup Brass and Factory 2nd bullets...!!!
+10 ROFL
I felt this
I felt that too. And my second hand powder from 1976 lol
Hopefully they go into mass production!
At $1200 guys will be standing in line!! Ya right!
I'll buy three Reddings, and a cup of Starbucks!!
Me too
no joke you can 4 Reddings and have money left for a nice dinner
4 loadmaster kits lol
I'll buy a Dillon
That didn’t age well 😂. They sell every one they build, and run a 3 month backlog on new orders. Even the big box stores like Scheels cant keep them in stock.
With that kind of money it starts to make dillon presses reasonable.
dillon presses are reasonable for their capability and warranty
I bought my Dillon 650 with the case feeder & a few other Dillon accessories to go on the press and a RCBS rock choker supreme for less than what the 419 Zero press cost. We are driving the prices for reloading equipment and supplies higher and higher. We are our own worst enemy paying outrageous prices for stuff.
I prefer to spend $ 200 on a MEC Marksman Press and have the same results.
I love my MEC.
I did!
I really like my MEC too.
You can get there in a 94 civic or you can get there in a brand new BMW. But the ride in the BMW will be al ot nicer.
The machining on this is spectacular. Matches the rest of their products. Great review, Gavin.
Thanks, and that's true- the ZERO is like jewelry!
@@Ultimatereloader That's what my dad used to say about my Snap-On tools. "Jewels!" There is a lot to be said about the feel & use of high quality tools.
I don't even reload, but I like the presentation of your vid, & the shop in the background. Looks like an old B&S horizontal miller too, I could partially see it on your right.
If you want to reduce bullet runout even further, may I suggest double seating the bullet, after turning the cartridge 90 degrees in the base plate. This will reduce runout on ANY die, but on a competition die ... it should have particularly good results ... just a suggestion ...
I do that too. Just a quick twist and gently seat again.
That press is a work of art. The price of entry is also not bad considering the price of most of the turret presses on the market. A huge plus for me is that it’s made in the USA.
Yeah good point. A lot of people complain about the price but if you want something quality that’s made in the USA these days you’ll have to ante up.
Think I’ll stick with my Forster Co-Ax and KandM arbor press. That’s nice but total overkill for that price.
$1200 and they cant even throw in a cover for it.
I know right???
1200 gets a fully setup Dillon.
@@MrMalicious5 I have a Dillon 550b, a Dillon 650XL and a Zero (and a Forster Co-Ax and.a Redding T-7 and a RCIV). They are completely different presses with completely different purposes. It's probably one of those things that you have to actually have the Zero in front of you to be able to "get it". They both produce ammo, sure, and the Dillon will do it faster, no doubt. But getting the consistency of the Zero with a Dillon will never happen.
@@OFFICIALUND Plenty of guys loading sub 1/2 MOA ammo on a Dillon. I really doubt the Zero’s consistency would make any practical difference.
@@MrMalicious5 Are you shooting F Class? Or shooting past 600 yards? If not, no, the difference probably won't be noticeable. Are you trying to hit an IPSC at 1250 yards 5 times in a row? You're going to want to have every possible thing in your favor.
You kind of missed my point about 1/2 MOA. My point was that if the shooter can't shoot 1/2 MOA in the first place, the press won't matter, because no matter what, the shooter won't be able to take advantage of the improvement. The consistency will be appreciated by the shooters that are capable of "shooting as well as the rifle" and can therefore take advantage of what improved ammo in said rifle offers.
I measured several hundred rounds of .338LM, .308 and 6.5CM. The improvement was real.
Very much anticipated and interesting review. Thank you. Aside from it financially being beyond my grasp, I’m in the infancy of my reloading experience and have much to learn before I could truly appreciate that fine piece of equipment.
I'm going to get one and use it exclusively for depriming. Lol
You ROCK!! That's the funniest thing I heard in a long time. (Full disclosure: I don't get out much).
Hahaha
🏆🤣😂😅
I was going to say to re prime but it can’t do that
Dab on the poors.
Just received mine today and I’m very impressed with both the design and build quality. Being able to have 3 or 4 caliber set up without readjusting dies will be a big time saver.
Wouldn't a co ax or anything with Hornady bushings actually save time? 2 seconds to swap a die as compared to loosening, turning, then re torque the allen?
Lyman 8 hole turret presses do that for 1/3 the cost.
Yeah, damn. Was so excited till I saw that $1200 price tag
The one thing that really stood out to me about the 419 is the time and effort put into the ram mechanism. Man, the way they designed it, it appears that it will never wear out. You can't hear any metal to metal sound when the ram is being operated. I know that most of the intent of the design is for extreme accuracy, but it also lends to minimal wear which I find more interesting. For that alone it's well worth the money. I won't ever need to have ammunition that accurate, but I'd pay the price just for the piece of mind and not to have to constantly tweak and adjust due to slop in the ram and turret heads. I don't shoot much, so in my process, I zero primed cases on a scale, weigh the charge, drop it in the case, and weigh the case to keep them within a 10th of a grain tolerance just as a little extra precaution for personal piece of mind. I respect and enjoy the entire process of reloading and therefore do not mind the extra time invested in it, the end result is just as rewarding if not more rewarding than shooting the ammunition after producing it. This new press truly appears to be as close to "bullet proof" as you can get.
Very nice! I can see having as many as three calibers setup on this machine, or two with a dedicated universal decapper and say a factory crimp die for each caliber. I also really like their unique shellholder setup, as well as the numbered stations on the tool head. Looks like a direct higher-end competitor to the Redding T-7. Thanks for the detailed overview.
P.S. I know accuracy is it’s own reward, but I could buy 4 Forster Co-Ax presses for $1200, LOL! I have two excellent single stage presses and a Dillon progressive for now, so think I’ll be sticking with those, but maybe someday...!
I don’t understand the people who are commenting about the price, if you don’t think it’s worth the money you can buy something else. I think it’s a beautiful tool and a lot of folks will line up to buy it. I’m curious about the performance and if top level competitors will adopt it.
Typical jealousy. If someone can’t afford it, they’ll always find fault and reason not to buy it.
@@MrTdacosta I think you’re right Skip. I look at this press like a Rolex, a $25 digital watch will get the job done, but a Rolex is something special. Craftsmanship and precision is worth the expense to some people, and that’s a good thing.
Jason Wik , I agree with you 100%.
Very impressive press. I am certain there are people who can justify such a crazy expensive precision tool; I’ll keep on wishing while loading along on my Redding.
Thanks for another high quality review Gavin, keep them coming.
I just break into gavin's house and steal his shit
For 1200 could get a tried and true Dillon with lot of extras.
@James Hubert and precision ain’t worth $1200 compared to volume. Just sayin’
@James Hubert Hmmmm.... tell that to David Tubb or John Whidden , both of who have loaded their match rounds on a Dillon for years.
@@talisikid1618 Dillons give you plenty of precision.
I'm always impressed that you actually open the zip lock baggies. I get too excited for new things and just tear the bags open
Received mine today, wow awesome engineering and quality. Looking forward to reloading on it. First impression certainly 20 out of 10. Great video
I have a thousand small primers I let go for 2k if your interested
Wow! look at this thing. Ive never seen this before, but it looks pretty sweet.
I would be interested in a direct comparison of accuracy with the Zero press versus what you were using to reload this cartridge previously (cartridges loaded during same session to minimize variables). The press is pricey and I am sure it is very nice but, the real value is if the accuracy is notably improved.
Very nice, but for $1200... it makes me love my redding big boss 2 even more!
Gavin thanks for the great video...again :). Please load 10 rounds with this press then with Prazzi Press and please video that and update us :). Thank you G.
I watched the graphics on the packaging and thought, "That cost money.," Then I saw the way it was packed and thought, "That cost money." And then I learned it was made of aluminum. A turret press like this versus a single stage press like a lowly RCBS Rock Chucker is only about convenience. It was a great try. Does it make better ammo? At $1200 vs. $150 I suppose it could. But maybe not enough to matter $1050.
Thanks for the tour around a sweet looking press!
$1,200 just the press alone. Dang. Hope they have exemplary support service just like Dillon to justify the price.
If you pre order you get the dust cover for free, not that you couldn’t just use an old pillow case. I agree customer service should be strong for 1st tier products but I also expect not to have to utilize it. If I paid this much for a press I’d better not have a single kinda problem with it.
Honestly underpriced when compared to that $600 Primal Rights Competition Primer Seater. I hope he didn't pay for that- at very least it would be a tax write-off. I believe that robbery is considered to be a capital loss!
if you ever get to meet the guys at 419, you wouldn't have to worry yourself with this question. CS will be a non issue.
The extreme simplicity of this design leads me to believe youd never have issues other than maybe having to replace some bearings (easy af). Honestly if you know your way around solidworks you could make your own.......
@00 00 LOL. okay
That base plate, raising the press up that high, would be a pain in the butt after 100 rounds. Drop it to table height, better for user friendly.
thanks for the review i just ordered 1
Awesome- you won’t be disappointed!
I've been reloading with my Lyman Spartan single-stage press for nearly 50 years. It still performs quite nicely. If someone were to say to me that the ammunition that I reload with this $1,200 press would be so much better, I would respond "I wouldn't be able to tell the difference!" If I were competing at Camp Perry, well ... maybe. But I'm not, so I'm going to save $1,200 and stick with my 50 year-old Spartan!
Nice . . . . if you could find reloading supplies to put it to use.
If you’re looking for quality, precision, and consistency, I’d say Area 419 nailed it!
I love all the Equipment you showed but unfortunately people like my self could never afford the equipment you showed but thank you for showing what some people can afford
Think I finally found a replacement for my rock chucker. Great video, keep up the great work!
At this price point (understandable if they're hand machined one at a time), it only makes sense if you're using fairly large rifle cartridges that require extreme precision. If you make money as a competative marksman, I could see getting one. If that $1200 would then start making me money, why not. Otherwise, not worth the expense in my opinion.
Don't forget to grease the bearing points that were left dry! Nice review.
These are sold out until Spring 2021, better get in on the pre - orders when they open up again.
Would love to be able to afford this awesome press. I have visited Area419 and those guys have it together.
A 1200.00 press and a 600.00 primer seater! My Dillon is looking like the best deal on the planet.
This price and the cover is extra? There is one born every minute...
Too expensive i will stick with my forster co ax and dillon 550b...
Absolutely fantastic looking beast. $1200 and gives a top shelf Dillon a pretty serious run. Incredible system.
It come with a free and approved SBR right?
That price is insane
What do I get for $800 from the Lymen all American turret press than one extra hole !
Look great but the price in Europe seems exaggerated 2.5k on Brownells, and for 1.2k I have the PRÄZIPRESS.
The companies which operate Brownells in Europe often add a huge ‘mark-up’ to their prices. Even the Redding presses are 75% overpriced on the Brownells-UK website.
@@Russell-1 In Switzerland is the worst Brownells they started this year making 10% on products that nobody wants to buy and for Black Friday when all products are 15% of the expensive ones have no discount. Not saying that they have bad products but paying double the price for them makes you think twice before buying.
Yes this is something that I will buy in the future. Had this come out in August I would have picked it up and not the Redding Turret press.
I used a RCBS AmmoMaster .50bmg press for about 20 years. The big press makes reloading easy, however there is some play in the unit.
I shoot a lot of long range (dasher, 6br, and .338LM), and consistency is paramount - that means good dies, a good press, precision powder measuring, calipers, headspace gauges, etc. I bought this press, their decapper and the ugly reloading primer system - I expect with a little more diligence while reloading, I should get better shots at distance. This press is expensive at about $1400 shipped with tax, but I shoot ~3000 rounds/yr so it's about an extra 2-3 cents/round over it's life. Components cost about .85 cents/round. Then there are barrels.
This isn't an inexpensive hobby.
great press ir i like it thank you for covering this one
You have to wonder how over priced a $1200 turret press is when they want to charge you $65 for a sack to cover the thing.
Wondering what keeps primer shards from entering those precision hi speed lo drag linear bearings?
the edge is near, a video like this gets one another step closer... lol
I guess, like anything else, it's all relative. I have a Rock Chucker II single stage press kit I bought from Cabelas for less than $200, back in '92. I have never loaded more than 50 rounds at a time. Mostly magnum rifle and pistol cartridges for hunting, but never a problem with loads, accuracy, and functionality. Still have some of those original cartridges left from my teeth cutting days at handloading.
Someone else may need a $1,200 rig that cranks out higher quantities faster, and looks more like something that belongs on the MIR space station, than on a reloading bench. I say, "Have at it!"
Great video, great press!! Thanks!
Oh boy, now we have boutique reloading presses for the rich. I'll just hire a security force and buy my own ammo to plink with when I become that rich. Sheesh...
$1200 kills it. Youve gotta bring a LOT to the table for people to justify that kinda money on a press and you can only do so much with a reloading press. IMO, id buy a $350 Redding and then go spend $800 on components. You can tell its quality and very precise, but is it any better than others?
Nice review, but still on the fence on this one. BTW your mount flex on that rail system is nothing short of hilarious 😂
Glad I wasn't the only one noticing... I'd rather it was solidly bolted to my work surface. Any movement of the press is distracting, when you're trying to notice feel and sound as each round is processed. I need that consistency round-to-round to ensure precision, nearly flawless ammo.
Gavin, always enjoy your video reviews. Geez, at $1200 for the ZERO, that's almost two house payments.
wow , where are you buying houses sir?
My eyes say: So pretty, I must have it!
My wallet says: 😱
it's of huge interest, must look into the cost & if it can be imported to UK
It can be shipped! Email our team with any questions
I will take one! Whoops, forgot I am not made out of money. I love you Lee Challenger.
Looks like I will be ordering one 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
I enjoyed your video, now for the cost, what will this press accomplish that my RCBS doesn't do already, this is just a question. Also when they start making dies such as RCBS I might take a second look.
Something about the press rubs people the wrong way! A lot of haters out there. Would I buy it? No. I don't need that precision in a round. I also don't have that ridiculous expensive scale he is using for the same reason. Did they call it "zero" because thats what's in your wallet after you pay for it? Maybe. But it is fine craftsmanship and there is a group of people who want that level of precision. Best of luck 419, I can't justify the cost personally but I hope there are many that can. The products I have purchased have been to notch.
I’ll keep using my $25.00 paint blemish Breech Lock Reloader Press from Lee.
Area 419 Zero Turret Press- all for the low, low price of YOU CAN'T AFFORD IT!
I like the two linear bearings in the guiding axels of the Präzipress more than this design, which relies of a few tiny bearings in the toggles
I’m sorry but this channel cracks me up. What doesn’t this guy have? If it’s the most expensive? Bros got it lol 😂😂
Would appreciate you mentioning MSRP
$1200
1200
He didn’t want you to choke to death.
It's not good
I would rather have two redding T7's and two lyman turret presses for same money
I think its a very nice , No the nicest turret press made. Its interesting how they achieved the zero slop in the turret by the stem and wedge clamp/screw. I'm sure the benchrest crowd will love it. I would love to see its ammo compared to that of a Redding T-7 Turret press. I just ordered a Redding T-7. I'm just not in the tax bracket for the 419. I can buy 4 Redding's for the price of this really beautiful Area 419 at $1200. I suppose I am just too practical for this. Thanks for the review Gavin .Nice job showing the bearing placement etc.
For $1,200 you would think they’d throw in the dust cover. That’s a bit of a slap in the face. Even the hornady AP press throws in a free dust cover for half the price. I know the cost to manufacture is much higher but at least for the first year of sales they should throw in the dust cover as a thank you for taking the chance on such a new product with such a high cost. They spend the extra money on such a nice presentation with the packaging it would be a nice gesture on their part
We did throw them in for the first couple hundred that pre-ordered.
Think I was one of the early orders, did not pay for the cover.
What would you say the number 1 precision press is? Does this one beat or equal the Präzipress
I dont care about cost; I'll take quality over cost everyday. Everyone keeps recommending this and the more I look at it, the more intrigued I am. You should do a comparison video of the Area 419 vs Präzipress or Salvadori Firenze Supersport Eterna? These are the 3 presses I'm giving consideration to purchasing in the very near future and all are in the same price range. I know you were high on the Präzipress so which one would be your choice of the two and why?
I see a lot of comments about price,I’m in the uk and mines cost £1560 that’s $2100 lol,life is not a rehearsal,we only get one go around,so if you want it treat yourself
So he takes his $1.20/rd brass, runs it in a $1400 annealer. Then sizes it in custom made dies in his $1200 press. Takes it over to the $600 primer. Then off to his $1000 scale for a powder charge. By the time you pay for shipping and tax, you're over $5000 for a single stage reloading set up. Get real!
You hit the nail on the head that’s the problem with these guys They keep getting free stuff and they feel obligated to use it. All he needs now is someone to give him a high-end pocket knife then he could open the box with it. Lol
@@maxxbear5014 Exactly!!!! Keeps getting top end stuff given to him, now his reloading process is so far removed from 99% of his audience that it only vaguely resembles what they do. Taking my broke ass back over to JRB where I can relate...
I just buy factory ammo. Have been for 50 years. Never tried reloading. But mostly shooting handguns, no precision long range stuff.
If I was to start reloading 9mm, 45acp, what would be a good progressive set-up?
I would want something that would pass on to my kids & grandkids. (If they still have the 2A)
@@savage22bolt32 I have never used a progressive press myself. Only used a single stage press, for my bolt guns. There must be multiple places to find info and comparisons on them. On this channel or Johnny's Reloading Bench.
I've been loading for 30+ years on a Lee Turret that I paid $25 for. I see no need for something this ridiculously priced.
Bought a Lee Turret in 83 and a Challenger 2000 in 85, 50 bucks invested in both. Still state of the art to me but I'm a cheap Bas+ard!
I don’t need one but I do want one. I’m not sure with the current methods dies are put in that this will be able to make better ammo that other presses. But it does seem like a joy to use, and I think that matters for something you use a lot
You might consider a plain backdrop curtain. The tools behind you tend to obscure and complicate the view of the press.
Impressive looking, unfortunately too rich for my blood. Like most things. 🤣
That said, your review as usual was awesome. I’m new to reloading and have learned many things from your channel. Also picked up a few products based on your reviews and detailed explanations on how to use them. Keep up the good work.
Looks like a improved version of the ole Hollywood press’s from years ago.
FClass guys will spend money on anything that works, we'll see how many of them buy them and don't go back to their old presses. The biggest difference in high quality presses today is mainly efficiency, can you do the same thing as the other press but faster with feeders, motors, etc. With this one, it seems to be slower than a normal press as you have to tighten the bolt every time you move a station and there is no real options for automating the press or feeding. I found huge improvements in quality dies and measurement equipment, but I load on several presses and can't say I've seen any variation in loaded ammo quality from one press to the next as long as you set them up right and know how to use them properly.
I’m a sucker for CNC precision equipment. With 9 stations you could set it up with 3 different calibers. I’d love to have one but I’ll have to be happy with my Rockchucker and 550c.
$1,200? Nice, not $1,200 nice. I'll pass
Same.
1200, no thanks.
I've done some reloading in the past on a Dillon Square Deal. Not an expert by any stretch of the imagination. The biggest advantage to this that I see would be being able to set up multiple different calibers on the same plate, the just rotating them around as you change over to another caliber. You could have stations 1 and 2 dedicated to .308, stations 3 and 4 dedicated to 6.5 Creedmore, 5 and 6 to 9mm, and so on. The down side? $1200. If you pay $200 for a good single stage press, all other things being equal, how much powder, brass, primers and bullets can you buy using the other $1000?
When is someone going to make a higher quality auto indexing turret press? (aka a more precision version of the Lee Classic Turret?)
I don't want just a single stage press, but I also don't want a full progressive, I want that automated in between but with good runout/die holding capabilities.
I think they do Paul its just there are so many more moving parts and tolerance stacking adds up in auto indexing presses. I looked hard for a year for the same thing. Read reviews specs etc on everything . I finally settled on a Dillon 550 a manual indexing 4 position press. I found I like hand priming after washing and trimming anyway. Think about that . Hope that helps brother. You can own it for less than this turret too. I own presses of every color but if I want best quality precision its done on my Dillon.
I like what I see thanks for the video will be considering a order
Looks like you can make your own Press with all that machinery.
Wow, impressive!!
Gavin, how would you rate this press against the prazipress? I have the 120 and 140 prazipress’ and love them. Super stout machines. My only “issue” with this press is the aluminum main frame. When it comes to tooling I prefer a steel frame. But it does appear quite robust.
It's a terrific press for high precision and repeatability loading rifle cartridges, but having to release the wedge between dies slows it down too much for me. I prefer an auto-indexing turret press; the Lee Classic 4 Hole Turret Press serves nicely, for me, at least. Admittedly, I primarily load handgun cartridges in multiple calibers but I also load 223/5.56. My Lee press represents a good balance re: value, speed/volume of reloading and precision. There are a few tricks to getting great accuracy from a less expensive turret press.
Would love to see you size some bigger magnum cases and compare between presses. How do they handle your 300 PRC brass
Gavin, let's see the change in group size. Using one press then using this one. Reach out as far as possible, this may show a greater change in group size.
GREAT!! Another piece of equipment I want! $$$$
Where does he get those wonderful toys?
Jack... Nobody did it better...
Looks great. But is the accuracy increase worth the price increase?