This "fact" that floats around that historically, women couldn't work or go away from home is quite pernicious, whereas, in reality, it was quite the opposite. The trick is that back then, businesses ran out of the house. Mom and Pop shops have been around since commerce began.
My grandma is 84 years and as far as I know she always worked mostly in agriculture and selling the produce in the city fair,she also worked in a cafe I don’t how long,while she works in the farm she would put the kids in a hole in the dirt or locked them at home😂 Maybe it’s an American thing because my country was poor af and everyone needed to work and now we are just poor so most start working at 18 or 22/23 years.
Where in Italy is the Colombian woman? Thats the kind of place, mentality I like😄. Im here in Italy and like traditional gender roles, men being providers💜
Secondo me un po si vergognano a dirlo, vogliono dire di essere inclusivi ma poi fanno di testa propria. Come del resto sempre abbiamo fatto e sempre faremo noi Italiani.
I'm really suprised of their answers. As a Hispanic woman, I'm very spoiled by men. In Latin America, machismo is a big thing which is men taking on traditional roles. I know there are a lot of negatives with machismo against women, but I never experienced those negatives. It's been a positive for me. I never paid for anything, never had to work, I did all the cleaning and cooking but that's fine for me I have no problem with that.
I mean.. too easy?? That's why most men don't belive in gender equality. Women want the benefits of equality but not the same duties. Equality means equality in everything. PS: Italian.
I bet the Serbian man can learn some nurturing instinct acts as change diapers or wash some dishes if the wife is tired. So much instinct in those acts!
@@Hammerhead137 so a man should only have to work 8 hours per day and a woman 24 hours per day? What if the woman also have a job and work 8 hours per day, is it still her responsibility only to take care of the home?
@reineh3477 It's cute that you think every working man in existence works only 8-hour days? Some work longer than that. My older brother is a nurse and he worked hours ranging from 8-12 hrs. You're adorable if you think all men do every day is sit around in an office all day. What makes you think SAHMs spend 24 hrs a day in the kitchen? Cleaning the house doesn't take 24 hours. Grocery shopping, 30min, 1 hr max. Vacuum, mop, takes takes 2 hours, depending on the size of the house or apartment. Cooking dinner, 2.5 hours (if you also factor in preparation), assuming it's not a TV dinner or choosing to order takeout. In total, minus the kids, 5.5 hours. With the kids, 8 hours, 7 if you can get the kids down for their afternoon nap. The only time that becomes 24 hrs is when you have a newborn or your baby is under a year old. And those hours are not consecutive there's also time to watch TV if she plans her day properly. And in our house, Everyone does the dishes. I clean the house, including the bathroom. Do husbands have the luxury of opting out of providing for and protecting their wives and children just because he's tired? No. And what's more, women don't even want a man with a "nurturing instinct", or they wouldn't keep rewarding the bad boys and giving good men last pick.
@@Hammerhead137 your brother already do a nurturing job 😅, I bet there is no problem if the wife need his help. You are just trying so hard counting hours and justify every single detail to not help a needed wife, why? Taking care of the house and children can make you spend more time than you calculated, and if the child (or children) are under 2 years is even worse, an intense 24h job. Not considering the particularity of a working mom, even worse.
In Italy, cases of a real gender pay gap, in the sense of discrimination for equal work or work of equal value, are very rare. It is more accurate to speak of a gender earning gap, meaning that women are more likely to accept unstable or part-time contracts or to work in lower-paying jobs.
That's also the case in US and other countries, this is much more about a woke narrative that doesnt take in consideration many facts for the gender pay gap that has nothing to do with discrimination
Im from South and I think this is total bullsht. Im not defined by the fact If i pay or not especially if I dont know you or you are not my friend. Una stronzata assurda.
A lot of the interview men that she speak of are probably hypocrites. I've met men like that (and women) They get upset if women say they wont have children etc but if they do they are punished career wise
I consider it very normal for a man not to find it normal that his partner does not want children, especially if he is a man who wants to start a family. In my opinion they do not have a good picture of the situation and they speak by hearsay, both women and men this. For me it is not a cultural factor (i'm talking about my country Italy), women are not advantaged in salaries but they certainly are in the nice work, the physical and grueling ones are done almost exclusively by men, in a company women are pushed to sit behind a desk, even with different hours. So the role of women is respected, what does not work is that the State does not give women the right opportunities to have a career even as a mother, so you should not limit yourself and say I do not want children to have a career, that way you are not respecting yourself as a woman, you should ask the State, I want to have a career and not have to give up being a mother! I think much of the problem is generated by capitalism which reigns today, the unbridled competition that tends to penalize the weakest in society, children and woman. The State must come back strong and reverse this trend.
as an asian guy who currently live in latina america but have dated italians girls before, i can tell you that italians are the best latin girls. why? because latinas expect you to pay for everything and spaniards are always late or cancel on last minutes. italians usually dont have these drawbacks and they are as warm as other latin women.
not just latinas, russians ,albanians,arab girls, and many many italian girls love this same treatment because thats what a real man does he pays for his woman he treats his woman like the queen she is. If you dont do it you are either three things, Broke, Stingey asf, or not a real man .
I am Italian, initially I paid together with her as soon as I met her, but when the story started to become more serious I almost always paid, I feel uncomfortable not doing it, it's a protective instinct I think (but IF there is love, money doesn't interest you anymore, so you do it with pleasure). It depends on the relationship, a long time ago the man always paid, but a long time ago society was different, there were many more taboos, which today have all been abolished (maybe today there is the opposite problem)... by abolishing them they also killed a bit of romance and consequently today it happens that in a relationship you can also pay together. For me the Italian man has not different, however, he is flexible and regulates himself with the changes in society, but his mentality has not changed in my opinion. - About the story of women's work being hindered by culture is propaganda that is passed around in the media but I consider it false. If you evaluate the physical work that women do and that men do, there is a huge difference, so there is equality and respect …so saying that women are paid less due to a cultural factor is a simplification that does not do justice to the truth. Women are certainly penalized because they are mothers and have children, this is true, the company therefore feels safer with a man, also because they can mistreat him more🤣... Italians underestimate themselves, in my opinion they respect the role of women and are ahead of many countries, they just need to improve society and not make motherhood a burden to women.
I do not know about younger generations but whenever I go to the restaurant with a lady ( even friends and colleagues ) it is on me. I do not care how much she earns. She could even be a billionaire. And, of course, I do not ask or expect anything in return. I will never let her pay. I know it sounds patriarchal but I do not give a damn about that.I am the way I am. Having said that, the question is wrongly formulated. The (traditional italian) man should'nt pay. For him is a pleasure to pay,
Patriarchy has existed for a long time, and it will remain in place forever. I don't let my woman pay either, it makes sense, she carries my children, men should provide. Say yes to patriarchy and tradition.
He grew up in Italy since was born and so he is Italian. I see you are a real progressive person! This thing that if a person is not in tune with you is for sure coming from a country that is worse then yours is the basis of racism!
@@giovannia.1692 Let's not talk bullshit: a foreigner, even if he grows up in Italy, will always remain a foreigner.I don't understand how you can be so profoundly anti-Italian. Do you hate Italians and their history? Are you racist?
it's incredible how most people just repeat the same things uncritically, propagated like set phrases or univocal truths, all the while thinking they're independent thinkers and spitting these amazing profound ideas.
@@giuseppeferri3817 No they were just cherry-picking people to say on camera what they wanted to be said. If they went down south, they would get different answers.
@GeoSocratic of course there's a toxic attitude in a small minority of the Italian population. This minority is bigger in some parts of the country and smaller in others. I'm from the North but I am well aware that there's a lot of backward people here too
@@giuseppeferri3817 what everyone says has absolutely no need to be close to reality to be the dominant opinion, a bit of history should make that clear.
Minute 4.04 : Saying that Italy is a matriarchal society is like saying that Italy is the country of hamburgers and American coffee. Where that guy has been living all this time in Northern Europe where gender equality is a real thing ? Ashamed of the girl beyond him not saying a word …
Why isn't it? Men do heavier work, they die enormously more in the workplace, they receive more serious penalties for the same crime, they are affected by social and family pressures and violence so much that they commit suicide much more than women, they are more likely to be victims of violence, they are damaged by a pension system which favours women, ...
Basically the same in Portugal, a lot of us are mama’s boys, we are a matriarchal society although it’s because women would agree with the patriarchal role meaning the women control most things but men still had the final saying, been women beaten, men been drunk and betrayal was the norm maybe that’s why most of us now are only religious in name because they were and are hypocrites now depends by age and socio economic background but it a lot fairer than before still there’s problems with dv and romantic abuse are still prevalent. Most men still like to provide otherever women need to contribute and we don’t like if we see we are been taking advantage of so I would say most try doing 50/50 or the one that earns pays more. Because of religion and been shamed by elders Portuguese women are seen as difficult because no matter what they do, someone will call them wh0re, elders also like to impose their way of life in young because they outnumber us we can’t move our country forward again this is mostly lead by women, women outlive men so I guess they have the last laugh
the way a man treats his mom the same way he will treat you. so if u date a man who fell out of touch with him mom dont expect a man with emotional intelligence.
that is the biggest bullshit I have ever heard. In Italy, a lot of men are emotionally immature because they are very coddled by their mothers and treated like princes. don't know how a washing machine. stuck in his infant state they will gaslight you for every problem you have with him
Great interview (and great interviewer)! Lots of insights. I think the mama boy things is really about if you can be independent and take care of yourself, not just if you live at home with your mom. Especially interacting point about Italy being a matriarchal society. In the private life probably, but at work it seems a terribly backward place.
The guy who said in italy the woman have to be under a man said an untrue thing, we expect women to take care of certain things for be a good wife/future mother of the kids but for sure we don't force them like "do this do that" so the 2 things are completely different, on the reverse majority of the times we don't want to be too much stressfull as partners so we try to not ask too much (which doesn't mean that the woman can use us as they want becouse a lot confuse kindness with submission, we both men and women don't submit eachothers, even if of course toxic relationship exists as exists almost everyone) he said a pretty "extreme" stupid statement which a lot of men don't agree with but he is a mamma boy so probably he doesn't know even know how it work outside his little mamma circle, also the fact that he say women have to be under men but he humself is under a woman expalin a lot about how much his head is confused
These are one of the things women will never admit on camera, but they secretly wish for in their innermost feelings. They want CONTROL! They want men to do what they WANT and their boyfriends mothers get in the way. That's why most of them will regard it as a negative thing. It goes beyond all that "men must be more independent perspective". They want men to take care of them, but they don't want competition. But i also believe they should regard being a mama's boy as a good thing as they should see it as a preview of how they are going to be treated if they marry this kind of man. But again, they don't want competition. Hence they start complaining.
@@Sisterlisk exactly. Mama's boys develop peter pan syndrome and hide from responsibility behind their mother's skirts. They never become real adult responsible men. They remain children.
Because it's just the mum figure it's venerated,woman it's seen like weak, it's respected like housewife, or a mum,out of that think she is considered too much indipendent,I'm italian know what I say
Because women were seen as something to make children and to take care of the family. Men were instead the ones who were supposed to do "manly" things. I live in the south, and some families are still like that. Such families have their children fearing their father and some even hate their father. Also there are parents who hate when they discover that they're about to have a daughter, because men are the ones who "bring the family forward", meaning that only them carry their family's last name. Such families usually come from poor backgrounds where ignorance and backwards mentalities are rampant, and even some rich families are like that.
I am Italian and living abroad. I think Italian women are dominant and as the guy said it is a matriarchal country 100%. In the past they were dictating bit undercover because just able to be housewives. But nowaday they crave indipendence and a better salary than a man as the ultimate excuse to make him always cook and washing up 🤣
Vivo anch'io all'estero da una vita e mi dispiace ammetterlo: tante donne italiane che vivono in Italia , e' vero che vogliono essere indipendenti ( giustissimo) ma cercano sempre di fare la bella vita anche con i soldi dell'uomo . Le generazioni stanno cambiando e probabilmente ci sono meno uomini polli che si fanno infinocchiare ma in Italia il pollaio e' ancora pieno e loro lo sanno.
Couldn't disagree with this gentlemen looking like person. People have different prespective and he sounds like he is not willing to listen or consider those.
@@santostv. Some things are women just better at and many things are men better at. You cant change thousands of years of biological evolution in 30 years. He is clearly exaggerating the point too.
There is nothing wrong with loving to live with your mom as an adult male, but it is an issue if you expect her to clean, cook, and do your laundry for you every day. A lot of men till this day don't know how to do simple house chores, because their mammas baby them, while modern day women are part of the work force, so they will end up doing double the work if the men also don't start learning to do domestic work. Simple as that.
@@lissandrafreljord7913 Isn't it simpler for women to do all the household chores and men working like it always has been historically? I mean, if men and women were equal, would it make sense for them to live together? Like if women get a job, live independently, wouldn't they think they don't need men and if men managed to cook, do the laundry, wouldn't they think they don't need women? When one looks at the divorce rates increasing and birth rates decreasing, it makes one think...
@@GeoSocratic No, it isn’t easier for most. Despite of some manchilds, a lot of us known how cook in fact de best chef’s are men,do laundry,clean ect. Divorce rates have decreased because now only people that really want to get married are the ones doing instead been the only way out of parents house. Birth rates decreasing is do to multiple factors: socioeconomic, less need for kids to help with income, less liberty with a child,less disposable income ect
@@santostv. I only see marriages being destoyed no matter how much money is involved. These famous people divorce a lot. It is about time you stopped treating this situation as something natural and start admiting all this sexual liberation is only harming society and destroying already existing families and preventing new families from being created. About birth rates decreasing, this is a serious issue as Europeans are already facing the consequences. Because you know, a society need young people to keep the work force and the pension system. They try to keep it from collapsing with migrants, but it isn't aging well. And the Government is to blame as they only increase taxes and debase the currency, decreasing people's purchasing power. Making things too expensive to raise a family.
Old generations will still insist to pay for a woman and will open the door and will protect her, will bring her home etc. But new generations probably will not do it always, which is a shame
It's a matter of generation. I think older men will show a more traditional behavior pampering women and fully taking care of bills 100%, they expect to maintain a certain role with the man providing for the financial aspect and the woman providing for what is considered "a woman's task", like taking care of the household and so on. Younger generations are trying to change this kind of mentality and take equality into serious consideration, everything must be done splitting the duties, the bills, etc. As an Italian woman, I prefer the second kind of situation. We both work and we both earn a salary, so our time and money will be split 50/50, we are able to pay equally and we are able to do what's necessary in the household helping each other in all the daily tasks. We're not in the 1950s anymore, when the majority of women were not working and they were "forced" to maintain a traditional role of stay at home wife and mother, while the man was the only one working and paying for everything. Luckily we have evolved and the wind of change is also affecting the younger generations, from the millennials onwards...
The serbian guy is so wrong about so many things. He's just parroting the stodgy old rules, the repressive traditions, the stifling rituals he's been raised in. I always say: just because something is old or been done for a long time doesn't mean it is right.
@@MichelaRossini You don't understand it what I wrote. OK, let's try again with more details. Those things that guy were talking are wrong, but not because it's an old habit, it is wrong because it is not right. Then why is he doing those? The only reason he's doing those things is because he's been trained to do it ("If you don't pay for the women you're not a real man!" or "Men don't do household chores." or "Taking care of the children is the wife's job.") and not because it is good. And since that's the only reason he's doing those things, that's why I wrote my last sentence. You sentence would be correct if I had written something like "Get rid of all old habits and traditions because all old habits and traditions are wrong." I'm NOT saying this. Some traditions are good, some are not so good, some are downright bad. Everything he said is either bad/wrong or incorrect or both. And I repeat: I'm NOT saying it's old, hence bad. It's wrong, hence bad. Is it clear now?
Being a man is wrong? Yes for the modern world that makes men and women live disconmected from their instincts, and aim for equality(we are not equal) and feminism a movement that is anti-life
A dude who talks about spending time with a woman is a typical SIMP. You BOTH spend time with each other and you BOTH need to take responsibility for the future of the relationship
They interviewed northern young women. If they went down south, they would probably get different answers. I've heard there are two types if Italians culturally, the northerners and the southerners. The latter is more conservative and look like the Italians we grew up watching on tv.
Only people (women and men) from third world countries seem to cling to the old role-stereotypes. The Italians by far have become middle-europeans in this aspect.
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This "fact" that floats around that historically, women couldn't work or go away from home is quite pernicious, whereas, in reality, it was quite the opposite. The trick is that back then, businesses ran out of the house. Mom and Pop shops have been around since commerce began.
My grandma is 84 years and as far as I know she always worked mostly in agriculture and selling the produce in the city fair,she also worked in a cafe I don’t how long,while she works in the farm she would put the kids in a hole in the dirt or locked them at home😂
Maybe it’s an American thing because my country was poor af and everyone needed to work and now we are just poor so most start working at 18 or 22/23 years.
@@santostv. In a hole, in the dirt 😭😭
Fr. Only women in aristocracy weren't working. Working class women HAD to work.
Men took care of their women for their hard work. Women took care of men for their hard work.
@@amadeusakreveusmusic3356 not all of them. Women in many places were property and didn't have a choice.
Where in Italy is the Colombian woman? Thats the kind of place, mentality I like😄. Im here in Italy and like traditional gender roles, men being providers💜
My wife is Italian, and I pay for everything
She's your wife, your money is hers too...
Secondo me un po si vergognano a dirlo, vogliono dire di essere inclusivi ma poi fanno di testa propria.
Come del resto sempre abbiamo fatto e sempre faremo noi Italiani.
good man
wow Italy is much more traditional than I thought it would be. thanks for sharing this!
Seems like Balkans are even more traditional than Italians based on the Serbian man's answer.
@@lissandrafreljord7913that guy is really shocking
Italy very bad. They kll LGBTs
Annnnna
I thought it'd be even more traditional.
The Serbian guy strikes again. He doesn’t like here but he doesn’t leave
I'm really suprised of their answers. As a Hispanic woman, I'm very spoiled by men. In Latin America, machismo is a big thing which is men taking on traditional roles. I know there are a lot of negatives with machismo against women, but I never experienced those negatives. It's been a positive for me. I never paid for anything, never had to work, I did all the cleaning and cooking but that's fine for me I have no problem with that.
I agree with you. I am also trad who likes macho guys. My husband is not Latino but slavic and he also spoils me a lot.
I mean.. too easy??
That's why most men don't belive in gender equality.
Women want the benefits of equality but not the same duties.
Equality means equality in everything.
PS: Italian.
I agree with you
( Traditional west african )
I bet the Serbian man can learn some nurturing instinct acts as change diapers or wash some dishes if the wife is tired. So much instinct in those acts!
And you think he's not tired? He has to come home and do your job too? Women need to stop being selfish and women up.
@@Hammerhead137parental duties are a shared responsibility
@@Hammerhead137 so a man should only have to work 8 hours per day and a woman 24 hours per day? What if the woman also have a job and work 8 hours per day, is it still her responsibility only to take care of the home?
@reineh3477 It's cute that you think every working man in existence works only 8-hour days? Some work longer than that. My older brother is a nurse and he worked hours ranging from 8-12 hrs. You're adorable if you think all men do every day is sit around in an office all day. What makes you think SAHMs spend 24 hrs a day in the kitchen? Cleaning the house doesn't take 24 hours. Grocery shopping, 30min, 1 hr max. Vacuum, mop, takes takes 2 hours, depending on the size of the house or apartment. Cooking dinner, 2.5 hours (if you also factor in preparation), assuming it's not a TV dinner or choosing to order takeout. In total, minus the kids, 5.5 hours. With the kids, 8 hours, 7 if you can get the kids down for their afternoon nap. The only time that becomes 24 hrs is when you have a newborn or your baby is under a year old. And those hours are not consecutive there's also time to watch TV if she plans her day properly. And in our house, Everyone does the dishes. I clean the house, including the bathroom. Do husbands have the luxury of opting out of providing for and protecting their wives and children just because he's tired? No. And what's more, women don't even want a man with a "nurturing instinct", or they wouldn't keep rewarding the bad boys and giving good men last pick.
@@Hammerhead137 your brother already do a nurturing job 😅, I bet there is no problem if the wife need his help. You are just trying so hard counting hours and justify every single detail to not help a needed wife, why? Taking care of the house and children can make you spend more time than you calculated, and if the child (or children) are under 2 years is even worse, an intense 24h job. Not considering the particularity of a working mom, even worse.
I love these new topics!
In Italy, cases of a real gender pay gap, in the sense of discrimination for equal work or work of equal value, are very rare. It is more accurate to speak of a gender earning gap, meaning that women are more likely to accept unstable or part-time contracts or to work in lower-paying jobs.
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That's true. Pay gap is fake feminazi propaganda.
That's also the case in US and other countries, this is much more about a woke narrative that doesnt take in consideration many facts for the gender pay gap that has nothing to do with discrimination
I see this and I just kept on thinking that Portugal is the exact same thing. Love Italy!
Thank you for sharing the video with all of us! I never knew that about the gender roles in Italy. I'm glad that some people pay half and half.
3:59 - such a good point! I'm so glad to see a man talking about this because I usually only hear this truth come from the mouths of women.
He had the best answers
I'm from South and here the man pay and I would never take seriously a man who don't pay
Absolutely!
Im from South and I think this is total bullsht. Im not defined by the fact If i pay or not especially if I dont know you or you are not my friend. Una stronzata assurda.
@@Kabirio93 Io parlo di relazioni serie.Se esco con qualcuno e lo devo conoscere è ovvio che pago anche io
I love Italian women.
A lot of the interview men that she speak of are probably hypocrites. I've met men like that (and women) They get upset if women say they wont have children etc but if they do they are punished career wise
Soo true
I consider it very normal for a man not to find it normal that his partner does not want children, especially if he is a man who wants to start a family.
In my opinion they do not have a good picture of the situation and they speak by hearsay, both women and men this.
For me it is not a cultural factor (i'm talking about my country Italy), women are not advantaged in salaries but they certainly are in the nice work, the physical and grueling ones are done almost exclusively by men, in a company women are pushed to sit behind a desk, even with different hours.
So the role of women is respected, what does not work is that the State does not give women the right opportunities to have a career even as a mother, so you should not limit yourself and say I do not want children to have a career, that way you are not respecting yourself as a woman, you should ask the State, I want to have a career and not have to give up being a mother!
I think much of the problem is generated by capitalism which reigns today, the unbridled competition that tends to penalize the weakest in society, children and woman.
The State must come back strong and reverse this trend.
as an asian guy who currently live in latina america but have dated italians girls before, i can tell you that italians are the best latin girls. why? because latinas expect you to pay for everything and spaniards are always late or cancel on last minutes. italians usually dont have these drawbacks and they are as warm as other latin women.
Italians aren't Latin...
@@chrystianaw8256 Italians are the real latins
Because we are Latin European
@@chrystianaw8256Italy is literally the homeland of the Latin language...
not just latinas, russians ,albanians,arab girls, and many many italian girls love this same treatment because thats what a real man does he pays for his woman he treats his woman like the queen she is. If you dont do it you are either three things, Broke, Stingey asf, or not a real man .
I am Italian, initially I paid together with her as soon as I met her, but when the story started to become more serious I almost always paid, I feel uncomfortable not doing it, it's a protective instinct I think (but IF there is love, money doesn't interest you anymore, so you do it with pleasure).
It depends on the relationship, a long time ago the man always paid, but a long time ago society was different, there were many more taboos, which today have all been abolished (maybe today there is the opposite problem)...
by abolishing them they also killed a bit of romance and consequently today it happens that in a relationship you can also pay together.
For me the Italian man has not different, however, he is flexible and regulates himself with the changes in society, but his mentality has not changed in my opinion.
- About the story of women's work being hindered by culture is propaganda that is passed around in the media but I consider it false.
If you evaluate the physical work that women do and that men do, there is a huge difference, so there is equality and respect …so saying that women are paid less due to a cultural factor is a simplification that does not do justice to the truth.
Women are certainly penalized because they are mothers and have children, this is true, the company therefore feels safer with a man, also because they can mistreat him more🤣...
Italians underestimate themselves, in my opinion they respect the role of women and are ahead of many countries, they just need to improve society and not make motherhood a burden to women.
I do not know about younger generations but whenever I go to the restaurant with a lady ( even friends and colleagues ) it is on me. I do not care how much she earns. She could even be a billionaire. And, of course, I do not ask or expect anything in return. I will never let her pay. I know it sounds patriarchal but I do not give a damn about that.I am the way I am. Having said that, the question is wrongly formulated. The (traditional italian) man should'nt pay. For him is a pleasure to pay,
You've got it right!
I love you!❤
The problem is man like this are gone
Beautifully said! 👏🏻
Patriarchy has existed for a long time, and it will remain in place forever. I don't let my woman pay either, it makes sense, she carries my children, men should provide. Say yes to patriarchy and tradition.
What a beatiful country with beatiful womens!! It must to be a paradise
Greetings from italy
It's a hell
You are free to go by the way
I love your videos❤
I can't believe the one guy who told his girlfriend to stfu. I was like holy shit bro what an asshole
Very strange. However, it really sure it was his girlfriend, really.
Don't forget that Serbia is one of the most retrograde/traditional countries in Europe.
That macho Serbian guy definitely represents it.
😏If you want to be loved, NEVER ever pay for a girl!
If you want to be used like a submissive provider, go on and pay for her, "you are a real man!".
He grew up in Italy since was born and so he is Italian. I see you are a real progressive person! This thing that if a person is not in tune with you is for sure coming from a country that is worse then yours is the basis of racism!
@@giovannia.1692 Let's not talk bullshit: a foreigner, even if he grows up in Italy, will always remain a foreigner.I don't understand how you can be so profoundly anti-Italian. Do you hate Italians and their history? Are you racist?
@@giovannia.1692The guy himself identifyed him as Serbian and not as Italian
He's the only true man and the only one I'd date out there.
Love this guy at 6:07 mark. ❤
it's incredible how most people just repeat the same things uncritically, propagated like set phrases or univocal truths, all the while thinking they're independent thinkers and spitting these amazing profound ideas.
well, it is because the reality is probably close to what everyone says
@@giuseppeferri3817 No they were just cherry-picking people to say on camera what they wanted to be said. If they went down south, they would get different answers.
@GeoSocratic of course there's a toxic attitude in a small minority of the Italian population. This minority is bigger in some parts of the country and smaller in others. I'm from the North but I am well aware that there's a lot of backward people here too
@@giuseppeferri3817 what everyone says has absolutely no need to be close to reality to be the dominant opinion, a bit of history should make that clear.
It's not incredible, it's how 97%(let's be optimistic) of people are. Sheeps
Minute 4.04 : Saying that Italy is a matriarchal society is like saying that Italy is the country of hamburgers and American coffee. Where that guy has been living all this time in Northern Europe where gender equality is a real thing ? Ashamed of the girl beyond him not saying a word …
Why isn't it? Men do heavier work, they die enormously more in the workplace, they receive more serious penalties for the same crime, they are affected by social and family pressures and violence so much that they commit suicide much more than women, they are more likely to be victims of violence, they are damaged by a pension system which favours women, ...
@@ElPavesaroTergestinmatriarchy means that the economic and decisional power is hold by women.
@@MichelaRossini it is evident that the term matriarchy was used extensively. After all, isn't the term patriarchy used even more loosely nowadays?
@@ElPavesaroTergestin probably.
At 1:17, while saying she believed the man should pay she is shaking her head and looks a little pissed, lol.
Basically the same in Portugal, a lot of us are mama’s boys, we are a matriarchal society although it’s because women would agree with the patriarchal role meaning the women control most things but men still had the final saying, been women beaten, men been drunk and betrayal was the norm maybe that’s why most of us now are only religious in name because they were and are hypocrites now depends by age and socio economic background but it a lot fairer than before still there’s problems with dv and romantic abuse are still prevalent.
Most men still like to provide otherever women need to contribute and we don’t like if we see we are been taking advantage of so I would say most try doing 50/50 or the one that earns pays more.
Because of religion and been shamed by elders Portuguese women are seen as difficult because no matter what they do, someone will call them wh0re, elders also like to impose their way of life in young because they outnumber us we can’t move our country forward again this is mostly lead by women, women outlive men so I guess they have the last laugh
"been women beaten, men been drunk and betrayal was the norm"
Norm? Maybe in your house
I had no idea this is also a thing in Portugal. Is this also in Spain?
@@mariissa-zf5ty Probably idk, although some say they are more “advanced” than us but I really don’t know.
@@mariissa-zf5tyI think he has some thing agaist elders 😀😀
@@lxportugal9343 could be but maybe it's in the culture.
Equality does not equal uniformity.
Precisely. Too many think that it means sameness and that we should all look and act the same. It's a fool's errand
these small clips of Italian movies wich movies are they????
I used Cinema Paradiso ( a great movie), Malena and a few others I can't remember
La Dolce Vita for sure (Mastroianni)
You should define Feminism first, because there are multiple waves of feminism and even extremist in the movement.
Agree, generally. In this case, it was more useful not to define it.
Awesome video
the way a man treats his mom the same way he will treat you. so if u date a man who fell out of touch with him mom dont expect a man with emotional intelligence.
That is so far from the truth
that is the biggest bullshit I have ever heard. In Italy, a lot of men are emotionally immature because they are very coddled by their mothers and treated like princes. don't know how a washing machine. stuck in his infant state they will gaslight you for every problem you have with him
Some mothers are manipulative and psychic.
No woman wants to take care of a baby, she's looking for a man to be her partner not a manchild to raise.
Why it's a shame to live and take care of your parents? Is this modernity?
Great interview (and great interviewer)! Lots of insights. I think the mama boy things is really about if you can be independent and take care of yourself, not just if you live at home with your mom. Especially interacting point about Italy being a matriarchal society. In the private life probably, but at work it seems a terribly backward place.
The guy who said in italy the woman have to be under a man said an untrue thing, we expect women to take care of certain things for be a good wife/future mother of the kids but for sure we don't force them like "do this do that" so the 2 things are completely different, on the reverse majority of the times we don't want to be too much stressfull as partners so we try to not ask too much (which doesn't mean that the woman can use us as they want becouse a lot confuse kindness with submission, we both men and women don't submit eachothers, even if of course toxic relationship exists as exists almost everyone) he said a pretty "extreme" stupid statement which a lot of men don't agree with but he is a mamma boy so probably he doesn't know even know how it work outside his little mamma circle, also the fact that he say women have to be under men but he humself is under a woman expalin a lot about how much his head is confused
Very wrong indeed. She can be in the top, ahead of you, lieing on you,etc. the position is not important. Only missionary is boring 😅
Why wouldn't men be mama's boys? It's your mama! And the same women complaining about it will want their son to be a mama's boy!
These are one of the things women will never admit on camera, but they secretly wish for in their innermost feelings. They want CONTROL! They want men to do what they WANT and their boyfriends mothers get in the way. That's why most of them will regard it as a negative thing. It goes beyond all that "men must be more independent perspective". They want men to take care of them, but they don't want competition. But i also believe they should regard being a mama's boy as a good thing as they should see it as a preview of how they are going to be treated if they marry this kind of man.
But again, they don't want competition. Hence they start complaining.
Mama's boy means a man whose mother takes care of him, as though he's a prince or a simpleton. Mama wants to feel needed by her baby boy forever.
😂😂😂
@@Sisterliskwhat's wrong of being considered a price? Or just females can be considered princesses?
@@Sisterlisk exactly. Mama's boys develop peter pan syndrome and hide from responsibility behind their mother's skirts. They never become real adult responsible men. They remain children.
Why would Italian women need to be a Feminist when the culture is already a Matriarch?
Because it's just the mum figure it's venerated,woman it's seen like weak, it's respected like housewife, or a mum,out of that think she is considered too much indipendent,I'm italian know what I say
Because women were seen as something to make children and to take care of the family. Men were instead the ones who were supposed to do "manly" things. I live in the south, and some families are still like that. Such families have their children fearing their father and some even hate their father. Also there are parents who hate when they discover that they're about to have a daughter, because men are the ones who "bring the family forward", meaning that only them carry their family's last name. Such families usually come from poor backgrounds where ignorance and backwards mentalities are rampant, and even some rich families are like that.
I am Italian and living abroad. I think Italian women are dominant and as the guy said it is a matriarchal country 100%. In the past they were dictating bit undercover because just able to be housewives. But nowaday they crave indipendence and a better salary than a man as the ultimate excuse to make him always cook and washing up 🤣
Vivo anch'io all'estero da una vita e mi dispiace ammetterlo: tante donne italiane che vivono in Italia , e' vero che vogliono essere indipendenti ( giustissimo) ma cercano sempre di fare la bella vita anche con i soldi dell'uomo . Le generazioni stanno cambiando e probabilmente ci sono meno uomini polli che si fanno infinocchiare ma in Italia il pollaio e' ancora pieno e loro lo sanno.
Bulls*it, as an Italian I can confirm there is no matriarchy
I think, unfortunately, slowly, they are becoming more feminist
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I thought italian men were providers and tradiotional... So sad they split bills and all that
Most of dudes there are not like that, mostly are traditional, those who like men and want to split the bill is minority
If the man named "Omar" is from Serbia then I m from Nigeria. Neither his look nore his name are Serbians.
have you considered the fact that he may have been born there ? Nationality=/=ethnicity
@@swtnr You are not serbian just because you born there.Especially muslims never respect the country's life stlye,culture etc. let even adopting
It's actually Amar. The name has been written incorrectly
@@DatingBeyondBorders it s not a Serbian name either. Not the look, neither accent nore the name.he looks 100% Italian or south European
Maybe he's Bosnian.
6:03. Couldn’t agree with this gentleman more.
And I totally disagree!
Couldn't disagree with this gentlemen looking like person.
People have different prespective and he sounds like he is not willing to listen or consider those.
Yeah, he is somewhat right. Some people, like the ones in this comment section, will try to neglect thousands of years of biological evolution.
True he is spitting facts
@@santostv. Some things are women just better at and many things are men better at. You cant change thousands of years of biological evolution in 30 years. He is clearly exaggerating the point too.
Try in the south! 😆
what is wrong with loving mama, only woman in the entire world that love you unconditionally? seems like only italians and indian men understand this
There is nothing wrong with loving to live with your mom as an adult male, but it is an issue if you expect her to clean, cook, and do your laundry for you every day. A lot of men till this day don't know how to do simple house chores, because their mammas baby them, while modern day women are part of the work force, so they will end up doing double the work if the men also don't start learning to do domestic work. Simple as that.
@@lissandrafreljord7913 Isn't it simpler for women to do all the household chores and men working like it always has been historically? I mean, if men and women were equal, would it make sense for them to live together? Like if women get a job, live independently, wouldn't they think they don't need men and if men managed to cook, do the laundry, wouldn't they think they don't need women? When one looks at the divorce rates increasing and birth rates decreasing, it makes one think...
@@GeoSocratic No, it isn’t easier for most.
Despite of some manchilds, a lot of us known how cook in fact de best chef’s are men,do laundry,clean ect.
Divorce rates have decreased because now only people that really want to get married are the ones doing instead been the only way out of parents house.
Birth rates decreasing is do to multiple factors: socioeconomic, less need for kids to help with income, less liberty with a child,less disposable income ect
@@lissandrafreljord7913Like the Italian woman who had to go to court to evict her two 40 something sons from her home.
@@santostv. I only see marriages being destoyed no matter how much money is involved. These famous people divorce a lot. It is about time you stopped treating this situation as something natural and start admiting all this sexual liberation is only harming society and destroying already existing families and preventing new families from being created.
About birth rates decreasing, this is a serious issue as Europeans are already facing the consequences. Because you know, a society need young people to keep the work force and the pension system. They try to keep it from collapsing with migrants, but it isn't aging well. And the Government is to blame as they only increase taxes and debase the currency, decreasing people's purchasing power. Making things too expensive to raise a family.
How is asking if someone wants to get married and have children, discriminatory?
That is a canadian channel so it makes a lot of sense lol 😂
@@zaranski1889 oh, I don't get it but ok haha
@@Lisalee-xj1xb canada is g4y and liberal lol
Italian men are very good looking
Italy 🇮🇹 is a beautiful country and I hope to go back to visit again
The home of Dante Algieri, and everyone is pretty based? Who would have guessed that?? Love it!!!
Dante Alighieri*
Dante was pretty based too
So those who are not thinking like you are based? You’re comment sound like ‘800 century racist comment. Are you serious?!
9:17 "shut the fk up" the only good thing said in this video😂😂
Old generations will still insist to pay for a woman and will open the door and will protect her, will bring her home etc. But new generations probably will not do it always, which is a shame
okay I need to marry Omar like right now
I was watching people wave their hands more than anything else 😅
It's a matter of generation. I think older men will show a more traditional behavior pampering women and fully taking care of bills 100%, they expect to maintain a certain role with the man providing for the financial aspect and the woman providing for what is considered "a woman's task", like taking care of the household and so on.
Younger generations are trying to change this kind of mentality and take equality into serious consideration, everything must be done splitting the duties, the bills, etc. As an Italian woman, I prefer the second kind of situation. We both work and we both earn a salary, so our time and money will be split 50/50, we are able to pay equally and we are able to do what's necessary in the household helping each other in all the daily tasks.
We're not in the 1950s anymore, when the majority of women were not working and they were "forced" to maintain a traditional role of stay at home wife and mother, while the man was the only one working and paying for everything. Luckily we have evolved and the wind of change is also affecting the younger generations, from the millennials onwards...
Why lucky? 50 style family is the coolest one.
Modern vvomen want the best of both worlds.
Fresh and fit fan here?
They want the privileges of men without the responsibility taken up by men.
In English it's mama's boys not mama boys.
I loved the speech of the Serbian guy ❤
The serbian guy is so wrong about so many things. He's just parroting the stodgy old rules, the repressive traditions, the stifling rituals he's been raised in. I always say: just because something is old or been done for a long time doesn't mean it is right.
It doesn't mean that it's wrong either.
@@MichelaRossini You don't understand it what I wrote. OK, let's try again with more details.
Those things that guy were talking are wrong, but not because it's an old habit, it is wrong because it is not right. Then why is he doing those? The only reason he's doing those things is because he's been trained to do it ("If you don't pay for the women you're not a real man!" or "Men don't do household chores." or "Taking care of the children is the wife's job.") and not because it is good. And since that's the only reason he's doing those things, that's why I wrote my last sentence.
You sentence would be correct if I had written something like "Get rid of all old habits and traditions because all old habits and traditions are wrong." I'm NOT saying this. Some traditions are good, some are not so good, some are downright bad. Everything he said is either bad/wrong or incorrect or both. And I repeat: I'm NOT saying it's old, hence bad. It's wrong, hence bad.
Is it clear now?
Being a man is wrong? Yes for the modern world that makes men and women live disconmected from their instincts, and aim for equality(we are not equal) and feminism a movement that is anti-life
Serbian man was awake
Based and red pilled
Serbian guy rulez!
A dude who talks about spending time with a woman is a typical SIMP.
You BOTH spend time with each other and you BOTH need to take responsibility for the future of the relationship
They are very feminist women and men in italy, Italian women are very pretty, not the men.
I agree, Italian women are pretty
I think living with your mother when you are 40 is beautiful :)
Beautiful like leechers
Boring video, i want you to go to Afgjanistan or North Korea
How about you go there and make your own video rocking your fabulous my little pony pink hair.
@@lissandrafreljord7913sure, i will feed you those hairs
@@lissandrafreljord7913how about I can feed you some of my hair
Why are they só feminist? Nothing traditional.
They interviewed northern young women. If they went down south, they would probably get different answers. I've heard there are two types if Italians culturally, the northerners and the southerners. The latter is more conservative and look like the Italians we grew up watching on tv.
Women typically won't deviate from the rhetoric of their friends, in a group setting
@@Sisterlisk that applies to both men and women.
@@GeoSocratic Florence is in Central Italy, they are not northerners. Also some of the people in the video are from the south.
@@GeoSocraticyou have such a naive view of southern Italian people 😂
Only people (women and men) from third world countries seem to cling to the old role-stereotypes. The Italians by far have become middle-europeans in this aspect.
Mama boy: grown men that haven’t emancipated emotionally 🤦♂️
😱😱😱😱😱😱wow l’importante è non sputare sentenze😂😂😂😂