I've been a Giants fan since Y. A. Tittle was our guy. I NEVER hope for any Giants player to fail because I bleed blue and always will. To wish for failure would be the same as wishing someone in my family fails. I've seen it all through the years. Fans are fickle, particularly when they become frustrated. And sometimes owners are influenced by the fans when they shouldn't be. It's a good thing Phil Simms was not drafted in this era. In the case of Daniel Jones I believe it is a number of factors, most of which were not his doing. The question now is how to put him back together. Daniel Jones was panned for being drafted too high. Right from the start fans were told he would be a bust by every pundit out there. They wanted Haskins instead. But after the 2019 season hopes were high. People now forget that he performed near the top of his rookie class. So what happened? He was faced with a change (the enemy of all young QBs) in coaching, a new system and lack of a WR1. A line that could not protect him. He went from a QB friendly system to one that was stale by today's NFL standards. In 2022 he was rescued by a new coach that was experienced in developing QBs. He was rejuvenated, but the roster still was a work in progress that the new GM, with limited salary cap space, could not fix overnight. Last year, the roof caved in from game 1. The opening game was a textbook example of Murphy's Law, and it didn't get better due to an early schedule from hell. Throw in the cumulative effect of key injuries on the O-line, which lacked adequate depth and it was almost an act of mercy that the ACL injury stopped the beatings. This year is the pivotal one for Daniel Jones. I, for one, will root for him to prove all the doubters wrong. And, after all, isn't that the best outcome for our beloved Giants? Isn't that what every fan should want? Not needing to be searching for the next QB, but to continue to fill this roster with talent at all the other positions? Not setting us back, but moving forward? If you want anything different then you should root for another team.
Last year was the pivotal one for him. This year is just a countdown until his tenure in NY ends. He’s a dead man walking atp. Once the man got paid the excuses went out the window. The personal attacks on the guy are horrid and uncalled for he’s always done his best but he’s just not good enough to be the leader of the giants and never really was. The fans that hate him don’t truly hate him, they just see him as the face of everything wrong with the team who’s been the laughingstock of the league since Eli retired. And that makes them bitter. And as the qb he’s the biggest target for all that bitterness. A lot of it is warranted his play has been far from good. Much of it is unfair. Regardless, being the qb of an nfl team this comes with the territory. So I’m not gonna feel bad for a guy who strong armed a franchise into giving him $100+ million. He refused to take a cheaper deal and right now his contract is the cause of about half the roster deficiencies
It’s absolutely disgusting…it turns me off so much. I am a Giants fan and I root for my team. All these DJ haters need to STFU or find another team to watch.
@@johngreen2510 seriously 31 other teams you could go through for and yet they out here slandering the name of the quarterback that played for their team they want him to be so bad but don't realize that if he is bad that means we don't win
Everybody forgets what he did the 22-23 year. Dj was light out and broke some many records with his legs and arm. I'm hoping we see that Dj this year! Anyway it plays out. It's always, #NYG4LIFE!
and for no good reason! A lot of ignorance from those who know nothing about coaching or playing a sport! They parrot what they hear others say. Dimes, I'm proud of you and thank you for all your efforts.
Keep it up gentlemen!! Much respect met Carl 2 years ago at a signing at a local bar nice guy, looking forward to the season 100 years of giants football let's get it big blue
If the Giants have another losing season, fans will have had enough. The Giants were one of the first teams in the NFL. They've always had a proud tradition of winning. Seems they have forgotten how to win.
One caveat about DJ: unless the O-line finally blocks for him, we may not be in for a very encouraging year from him. He cannot continue to run for his life behind a line that can't block and have us expect him to produce. The DJ haters will do this but we need to be smarter and fairer than them.
@@markmatulic9905 Agreed, but the hard thing to determine is how much of it is him and how much is because he's a bit shell shocked. Before he went down with his injuries, the word on him last season was hit him early, hit him hard and hit him often, and he'll be done the rest of the game. So on plays when the O-line held up, he was behaving as if it didn't. This is why I'll be ready to move on from him if he doesn't shake the jitters in the pocket this coming season. If the O-line does a better job, we should see him return to his 2022 form, hopefully better. If not, then I'll be looking for the Giants to replace him with their first pick next April.
The thing I hate the most is people over look the amazing plays DJ has made. He has had some legitimately good games. He doesn’t have the fantasy stats but if you actually watch the games, he makes big plays with his feet. He keeps drives alive and doesn’t lose you games by having three or four turnovers like we see another QBs, like Trevor, Lawrence, etc. I have seen a lot of people bring up 300 yards passing games, as if that is somehow a barometer for winning. I just remember him taking the Giants 94 yards against the Packers, but Saquon injured on the sideline. I remember him making a clutch throw in the back of the end zone to tie the game against the Vikings in the regular season, remember him making clutch plays to close out the Titans game. I understand not liking him and wanting to move on but the amount of hate is just unreal.
Really?? I've seen more F#CKING AWFUL plays from Danny Dimeless especially in the Red Zone than those "amazing " plays you've seen btw which AMAZING plays are you referring to because NONE come to mind
@@josephrios3481I remember the 7 darts he threw to our TE Engram who was less than 10 yds away and he's throwing 90mph fastballs and those ended up going through his hands for INTs
@@Hazeleyedbri sounds like a catching problem, ur in the damn NFL and they practice every damn day maybe he shouldve practiced catching Daniel’s hardest passes ….. don’t u think ???
@@josephrios3481 really Einstein so you think anyone can catch a 90 mph football at 10 yds range? you really are a special kinda stupid. Let me guess NEVER played any sports but is a keyboard warrior
@@MikeJones-zd6xi And your point is? The one thing all the QBs you mention and Jones have in common is they were/are Giants QBs with varying skills and degrees of success with the Giants, yet were all recipients of similar amounts of vitriolic spewing nonsense from a select group of so called NY Giants fans.
@@brucemckenzie7927 it’s means he doesn’t get the same grace as others lol I’m a GIANTS FAN NOT A DANIEL JONES FAN so if I feel he’s not the guy for the giants n he’s holding the franchise back then get him tf outta there. U can root for him until the end of time that’s ur choice. I know what I’ve seen n he’s average at best. Giants fans deserve better
@@MikeJones-zd6xi Hell no. Eli didn't get no grace from these fans. A loud and very stupid portion of Giants fans were on him his whole career about one thing or another. Hell, they tried to run him out of town the year he won the first Superbowl with the same reasoning you just used. "Average QB, holding us back, we deserve better!" All that BS. Then he won a Superbowl and everybody shut up for an off season so they could go to the parade as if they weren't just calling for his head a few weeks beforehand. I don't ride for Jones the way I did/do for Eli but it is the same old dance from seemingly the same old fans... or the next generation of them I guess, and it's the reason a lot of other Giants fans roll their eyes whenever the QB is being crucified without addressing how bad the team played.
@@AF1gaming1999Jones has played behind a horseshit offensive line practically every year he 's played. One reason he gets hurt all the time. We'll see what happens this year, maybe Schoen will finally get it right. Law of averages, you know.
@@johnkomarinetz1101 it went under the radar but the Giants actually signed some vets for the oline and they got Bobby Johnson tf outta there so hopefully we should see improvement
The Giants are one of only two NFC teams that have won multiple super bowls in the 21st century. And one of them was the most iconic upset in history. Could be a heck of a lot worse
Tell that to any fan that’s 17 and under and probably wasn’t paying attention until 4 years old. That’s 13 years of fandom without feeling relevant in the division. I witnessed all 4 SB wins, and I remember when we didn’t settle for mediocrity and overhyped players.
@@BigJonesEnergyKenny Golladay, Paris Campbell, Darren Waller. "Career seasons" lmao Richie James had like 500 yards and Hodgins had like 300 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 nobody is impressed
Fans are gonna root when the Giants when they take the field regardless..but once the game is over,people have the right to react to what we seen. And we all been watching for 5 years.. Nobody else on the team is allotted this kind of grace. People want Evan Neal gone,they calling kayvon a bust..it's never "hate" when other players get trashed though
I'm a fan of the Giants, not of their fan base. So much toxicity. I'm not a Jones hater. But I'll admit to being a little worried about his injury history. I don't want him to follow Andrew Luck's path of neck injuries and forced retirement.
Did the QB2 and QB3 move the offense better and did the weapons put up better numbers? There may be some shortcomings around the QB, but that immediate change is undeniably due to him failing at basic things.
I don't get the hate either. 2 years ago Daboll started to get the best out of him. He wasn't slinging TDs ala Mahomes but he managed the offense with the little talent we had and got us a playoff win. Last season he got killed behind that o line . People forget the man took a insane beating Week 1. 49ers had free pass rushes all game . The injuries were 100% on the oline . The man was seeing ghost at one point . Could never settle in the pocket for any consistent time. It was sad to watch . Hopefully we get this oline back to 2022 level so we can run some kind of offense again.
Im 35. Born in 88. I got to actually see 07 and 11. I dont remember this divide in the fanbase. My dad started taking me to giants games when i was 9 or 10. I get to take him now but we live up near the finger lakes/ southern tier. Thats a 4+ hr drive both ways. My point is idk how you can be a fan and root against youre qb.. make it make sense. HES GOING TO BE THE QB NEXT YEAR. GET SOME NAPKINS FOR NEXT YEAR IF THAT UPSETS YOU BUT ITS JUST A FACT
I think many people don't believe in Daniel Jones rather than rooting against him, and they have the right to until he proves himself. No one should root against the starting QB, whomever it is, but I am not paid to be Jones' cheerleader either.
Thank you Carl Banks & Bob Papa for posting this video. I was one of the Giants fans who was ready to give up on Daniel Jones after the horrific 2023 season. After seeing the way in which DJ has recovered from the ACL injury he suffered last season is amazing. That type of injury has ended many other QB's careers in the past, but Jones had the diligence and determination to fight his way back to nearly being ready to return to the field during training camp. I admire his determination, and he's held his head high with class through all of the media questions about last season. I'm really glad that Joe Schoen and Brandon Brown acquired some quality OL veterans to aid that invisible OL from last season. With the money they gained from the unfortunate retirement of Darren Waller I hope they'll seek some more additions for the depth of the OL. I want DJ to have a great year, because if he has a great year, that means Big Blue has a great year. That's what it's all about anyway. GO BIG BLUE!
People just forget that DJ had one of the best games and comebacks against the Cardinals in Week 2 last year. Outside of that, in the few games that DJ did play he had zero chance with the OL and all the injuries and the teams we faced.
Yeah right after he got plowed 0-40 to the cowboys. Did you forget that one too? Didn’t score a TD in 6 quarters and after that one half went back to being bad. That’s his problem. He can’t just stay good. He always regresses.
The biggest thing with DJ has always been his health and he has to stay healthy, but people forget that plenty of starting QBs are injury prone like Burrow, Lamar, Watson, Murray, and Tua. Burrow even went to the Super Bowl the year after tearing his ACL.
This fan base will hate who ever plays QUARTERBACK for the Giants they hated on Eli , as a New Yorker the fans swear they know how to run the team , New York is a joke , not a fan of DJ , but I hope he proves people wrong
Unfortunately Carl we live in the social media era where almost everything is made to look way better or way worse then it actually is and clicks/views drive people. The giants are a well established organization so it’s easy for people to push narratives to our “fans” and those same fans feed into anything negative because social media has skewed the reality of everything and if we aren’t a highlight reel of a team or have the perfect QB who puts up the most stats every year, they become outraged and angered, ignoring the reality of the teams situation and the outliers of said team
I love listening to these guys B. Papa, C. Banks, P. Sims, K. Warner, etc. They cut through the nonsense that's dumped on fans who don't know what they're looking at.
I know these guys have to protect the team and players etc, but this is not rocket science. You dont have to have played in the NFL to see DJ is a bad QB. Even the team knows, they just tried to trade up for a QB (We all know this). What I dont like is that certain Giants fans and commenators do is try to explain the badness. Well he was horrible bc of this and this and this, he has to be held accountable for his own play at home point. I know he is our starter this year and I want the Giants to win but if the offense looks like a hot mess again and we start out 1-7, I need Daboll to rip the Jersey off him in game. Not his fault he got draft @ 6 but we need real QB production from him.
Settling for less than mediocre play from a critical position? From a player that was paid as much as Jones was, with his injury track record, one playoff win over multiple seasons, and overall poor play. No, Banks and Papa. We shouldn’t settle as fans for this. The standards and the bar should be a hell of a lot higher. Hes had enough excuses. Enough do-overs. Enough second chances. Either prove it or get shipped off this year. Period. Taylor and DeVito, a journeyman and a non-factor, played better under center when given the opportunity. This was with the offensive line struggling and the same weapons on the field. The Giants invested a ton in free agency to bring in more talent along the line. They drafted the best wideout we’ve had since OBJ. Jones has ZERO, and I mean ZERO, excuses. Will I root for him to succeed? Sure. But I’m not holding my breath that he’s all of a sudden going to have things click. His best season in 2022 was still pedestrian compared to the upper echelons of quarterbacks in the league.
Daniel Jones is goofy in the pocket. I watched a highlight last night, where he fell down after dropping back to pass, when no one touched him at all, he just fell to the ground. Smh
@@ayyubjackson the non-giants fan keep about the quarterback for saying who’s gonna throw ? Or whatever the hell they says they slander Daniel Jones because they don’t trust him because he got hurt that’s why.
I hope you guys host the Giants fans at a local pub in Munich like you did in London at the Horse and Guardsman! I had a ball that week! My flight is already booked. Go Big Blue!!
People are NOT specifically rooting for him to be bad. They just know he’s bad and want to move on. This is his 6th year? Why would anyone think he’s suddenly going to become a Super Bowl winning QB? If he’s not a Super Bowl winning QB why would we root for him when we can have someone else?
OMG!! I am sooooooo fed up with fans, bloggers, & press beating up on Daniel Jones. It's TOTAL bullshit. He's played behind dreadful O-lines, with mediocre receivers & shitless Offensive co-ordinators, except for 2022. If DJ was on the 49s he'd be all-pro & that's a fact. SO SHOVE IT ALL YOU DOUBTERS!
You're an Oline/WR hater and thus not a real fan. Those guys leave it all out there every sunday.... See how this charade collapses on itself like wet cardboard? You're in a cult.
I will explain it in the simplest terms possible. In the NFL, you cannot win if you do not have a Top Ten QB. Jones is not a Top Ten QB. We need a Franchise QB. Fans want the Band Aid ripped off.
@@Revengeiswicked The GIANTS have not helped him. I get that. Not in any way. Bad OLine, So-So to bad weapons. Revolving door of coaches and coordinators. I understand all of that. I am rooting for Jones. He is my QB. He isn’t the guy though. If he was the guy, he would be the guy by now. We need to find the guy. If Jones proves me wrong and takes multiple steps forward and becomes a Franchise QB I will be happy. He’s a great guy, he’s just not a top 10 QB. Build the team, get depth on the roster, then find the QB. The team is better in several areas in 2024 then they were in 2023.
@@garycunningham9216 So your contention is that he is a top QB if he has a good O-Line? It’s your contention that his middling performance has nothing to do with his abilities or lack thereof? Is that your contention?
I re-listened to you Bob, and like you, when I was born Y.A. Tittle was QB. I grew up hearing my grandfather, Dad, and Uncle cheer and yell at the TV. I was in college when the Giants won the '86 Superbowl. Through all the years I have enjoyed the good and the bad, but I have never experienced pure Humiliation until the games that Daniel Jones played in the 2023 season. After he went down the ship began to wright, and the season wasn't over until the Giants lost to the Saints, because 83.333% of the Giants success came on the shoulder of the back-ups. You can NOT convince me that if Parcells were here that Jones wouldn't have been riding the bench long before he was injured (not a knock on Dabol). I fact, let me clarify that Schone and Dabol need to stay put and finish building the team. ........IF you put Daniel Jones on the field, then defenses will continue where they left off and bull rush him and keep coming until he cracks (which shouldn't take long If fans get humiliated again (not to mention the whole injury clause thing), then you WILL see fans go "GOOFY" to the power of ten! Daniel Jones is not an asset he IS a liability. The reality is we have 3 back-up QBs and no legitimate #1 QB. I'm good with that for now, as long as the Giants organization owns reality. Do the best with what you have, but NEVER humiliate me and the team again. Pretty please.
He’s had years to show he’s a nfl Qb and he has showed us he’s not. Hope against the odds is a terrible strategy. He gets hurt a lot and isn’t available. We need a Qb. I’m not “goofy “ for seeing what’s in front of my eyes. Under your logic Eric flowers was a great player. I rooted hard for Dj, he’s just not a guy that’s bringing us a superbowl. You can keep hoping and think that’s going to turn him into mahomes… who’s goofy again?
@@AquariusLeviathanProphecy Poorly said. You bring up a failed Tackle to discuss QB play? DJ is an NFL QB. Not elite, but in the pack with all the others who can win if all the parts are in place around him. Like Purdy, Hurts, Dak, etc., etc. NONE of them can lift a bad team. There's Josh Allen and Mahomes and pretty much nobody else who could make the playoffs with the teams the Giants put out there over that last five years.
Erick flowers showed 0 promise and his position isnt as dependant to others as a qb. A qb needs an oline to homd up and recievers to actually catch and a run game to keep the defensive line honest hes had a bottom 5 oline his entire career and a bottom 10 recieving core his entire career how many qbs survive that u wanna say he made galloday bad? He hasnt been picked up since and hes tried out for other teams golden tate was on his literal last leg im not even sayi g hes great or anything but to say hes had a fair shot to prove himself is laughable did u see hiw they looked last year fully healthy withiut him? He took that same team to the playoffs and won a game the year before
Sure some people take things too far, but the overuse of the term “toxic” against anybody that disagrees with a desired narrative has become a pathetic all-purpose shield for those making excuses.
Thank you for saying everything I have been feeling about this team and Daniel Jones . I’ve been a die hard fan since I’m 12 and I’m 52 now . I have had the privilege of watching this team win 4 Super Bowls. I am a huge DJ supporter . It will absolutely depend on this O line . If we block we will win and DJ is our guy for a long time . I predict he will win us a Super Bowl in the near future . Let’s Go!!!
After a good nights sleep, I have this to add: I wish people like Carl Banks and Tiki Barber were both NYG coaches. If they had an actual voice, then the Giants would actually be hitting people in pre-season (You know...real conditioning). They both played with Heart, and that more than anything wins games. Barber effected his teammates (including Toomer) with something as simple as "keep your legs pumping"...YAK. In short, the Giants were not prepared to play in 2023.
I saw the same thing that's why they lost early on(,Hard first 6 games didnt help either)they were in bubble wrap in camp and preseason and dallas knew the importance of game 1 and came to play add some injuries and it snowballed. the good news is Dabol stopped the bleeding and if the win the jet bills and ram games they are in the playoffs through it all. They have learned from their mistakes that this aint the 2000 KC ram- bills. they need to be tougher and drafted and in freeagency went for that.Now they better do some hitting camp.
Keep fighting the good fight guys. You're never going to get through to the extreme flank who want to blame all of the teams troubles at one guy's feet, but actual analysis like this grounded in reason and experience might help some fans in the middle from falling into that extreme. People forget that the content creators they love to follow on social media don't generate revenue by providing good, fair and reasonable analysis. They generate their revenue through clicks, views, engagement and subscriptions. Being entertaining and provocative is their goal, not providing good analysis.
Acknowledging bad playing and not excusing it when it’s demonstrated to be a pattern is not rooting for failure. It’s pleading for improvement. We pay money, y’all make money.
I'm more tired of Giants employees crying about people being mean on the internet than I am of the "toxic fans". There's multiple Bleav episodes that are half taken up by complaining about fan comments on the internet. Talk football and stop trying to police twitter JFC.
"It's goofy town" isn't analysis. It's pathetic to listen to Papa and Banks shill for an organization that has been a dumpster fire for over ten years. It's funny to hear them snicker and whine during game broadcasts when the Giants looks like crap (yet again), but then in the offseason, they bash true Giants fans who are sick of losing. Daniel Jones stinks. It was a huge mistake to draft him at #6, and it was a huge mistake to give him a big second contract. And Papa and Banks are simply incapable of making a case that doesn't consist of petty mockery of true Giants fans. Pathetic guys shilling for a pathetic organization. Look forward to more losing in 2024.
Carl and Bob, I truly respect your opinions and takes on the Giants. Besides the erratic play we’ve seen from DJ, what concerns me most is his propensity for injuries. With his contract, I’d be willing to stick with DJ if he’d take a significant pay cut to allow Schoen to improve the roster. What worries me is if he gets injured again he’ll be on the books for 2025 and we’ll be back at square one with him again, which is why I didn’t fault Schoen for reportedly making a strong push to trade up for Drake Maye during the draft.
Keep that same energy when Daboll benches Jones for Lock. Keep that same energy. Came back here and call Daboll names for not rooting for the Dan Jones experience. The only thing Carl is accomplishing is getting the fans to turn on him with this toxic fan nonsense every time a fan points out the obvious.
Idk about everyone else, but I’m more worried about DJ’s injury history more than anything. I do believe he can improve his play compared to his previous years, but he needs to be on the field consistently just like he needs a consistent coaching philosophy in order to make that happen. I’m reluctantly believing, but I am worried that injuries will derail his career
It is goofy land. It’s insane, I can’t even get on social media without seeing the DJ hate. It’s just non stop, it’s overtaken any sort of positivity we can have for the team. Do I think DJ is the 10 year multiple super bowl champ QB? No. will I root and support for whoever is behind the helm until I die? hell yes.
I root for whoever’s in Giants Blue. Therefore I root for Daniel Jones. However, my family has been season ticket holders for generations. I will not hold my tongue. I dare Carl, Bob, and whoever else loves making excuses for a 6 year QB to go to tailgates at MetLife and ask season ticket holders how they feel about DJ
Those Are Fake NYG Fans' Vultures Click Bait! They Do The Same With The Knicks' Let's Go DJ!!!! F*#^k The Haters!! NYG4Life #BigBlueWreckingCrew! #NYK #NYY #NYR
Have any of these haters switch their current job responsibilities 3+ times. Ex: This year you work McD, next year, you have to work at Peter Luger. This year, you're a general doctor, you're a cardiovascular doctor. This year, you're a construction worker, next year, you're an industrial designer. Let's stop rooting for the guy to fail bc you would, too.
It just seems to me that these two esteemed experts would want a fair competition at QB. At one time the retired player was allowed to compete for the job and won it but now he doesn't want Lock to compete. Click bait pros.
I don’t think most fans are rooting against him, I think he took a contract that put a loaded gun to his head to perform last year and he didn’t. With the injury clause that could profoundly hamstring our cap space in 25, and Jones propensity to get injured, we are focused on the long term. If not for that clause, Jones would have a lot more fan support.
No what's goofy is how you can defend a QB that isn't a franchise QB and can't read a defense I bet of you ask Daboll true option he would say he read a damn defense and process information fast enough unless he a premier running back to command most of the attention of the opposition defense smh
Call banks fans aren't frustrated we just aren't as delusional as you are we are looking at the film and realizing he cannot read a defense he doesn't see wide open receivers The fans are dealing with reality Banks you are living in a Giants fantasy world
We will root for him if he actually plays good. Problem is he mostly plays horrible, sometimes average and rarely great. Please dont bring up the vikings playoff game
It's not Jones ability most knowledgeable football people lost faith in, it's his availability. You can't build your entire team around a quarterback who is one more neck injury away from early retirement.
The bigger question is why does the Giants organization allow all of the abuse DJ gets not only from the main stream sports media FOX, and ESPN especially. Is theres a no PR dept that addresses these things? the media consistently outright lies, and discredits this kid it seems like pure harassment..
I’m looking forward to the 2024 season and I’m pulling for my boys in blue.let all these so called experts make there predictions we all know there never ever right..go out there giants and let’s show everyone where on our way back.and fans let’s get behind our team
Of course my comment is 3 wks later. But, oh well...I think the 2-3 factors are, we live in a "do it now culture." I think social media is a huge factor, but we have this do it now instead of wait later mentality. The second reason is fantasy football. Fantasy football fans don't realize it takes a team effort in order for superstars to generate those fantasy points. Third reason, we come from Ny. Ny is a win-now culture. Those are my thoughts.
It’s the losing and losing badly for a decade plus real fans are angry and tired of the season being over by Halloween. People looking for reasons for the losing. Last year was fun at the end team fought but other than that it’s frustrating
1: Wouldn’t you be scared with no Oline. You’re not going to see open receivers when running for your life 2: Yeah injuries with no Oline it happens. 3: Wasn’t the same offensive line Andrew Thomas came back plus addition and look at the schedule during that time
Carl has the shittiest take on why the fans dislike em. He just isn’t getting the job done. Do we really have to pry peoples eyes open to see he’s not a franchise qb
I like Christmas, but I have really good reason not to lay in bed on Christmas Eve, waiting for a sign that Santa Claus was on my roof. I won't ruin it for Papa & Banks though.
Guys get over it. It’s football nothing is perfect. Go out and play ball. Stop throwing the ball to DBs and make better decisions. My god he’s being paid a ton. These arguments would be ok to play DJ if we are giving him minimum wages. But we are paying him top tier QB money. For what?
Not even Tom Brady could win with the line he's had. If the 5 guys on the line do their job to a league average, DJ will prove he wasn't the problem, plain and simple.
@@GonzoA211 I'll wager $1000 dollars that any other starting quarterback would have been able to mustard more than 21 points a game, 20 touchdowns and 3000 yards of offense with the line and weapons we have. Don't make excuses for DJ it's his 6th year.
@Scorpiohandles I hear ya. But I respectfully disagree. If the line looks better...I garuntee you that he will have people walking back what they said about him come mid-season.
Remember we are paying him 40 million a year for his production. In practice reports claim that he is checking it down most of the time. You want that for our season?
Once that ball is snapped i don't think anyone is rooting against DJ. He's in a Giants uniform and he's a part of this team. The fact of the matter is a good portion of this fanbase flat out does not believe in Daniel Jones. How could we with him under center? This offense has been like watching paint dry for years. Were tired of the excuses and we want to see results. 5 minutes into this im already hearing the same excuses we've all become numb to bc we have simply heard them for far too long. Me personally i care more for any Giants logo than i do any specific player on this team. How have we all become miserable Carl?? We'll idk Carl maybe it's the nearly 13 years of getting our butts kicked that has something to do with it lol. Downright sad and it pisses people off that truly care about this team.
jones has the physical tools, but not the brain. dude does not process the field, dude does not audible. open receivers frequently left open. yes the oline the oline, but still, qbs gotta make things happen. his pocket awareness is lousy. its always the coaches fault, the coordinators, the oline. when is it that jones just doesnt 'have it?
Banks said, “it seems like we’re in goofy land right now”. No doubt, Carl, the whole country has gone goofy.
I've been a Giants fan since Y. A. Tittle was our guy. I NEVER hope for any Giants player to fail because I bleed blue and always will. To wish for failure would be the same as wishing someone in my family fails. I've seen it all through the years. Fans are fickle, particularly when they become frustrated. And sometimes owners are influenced by the fans when they shouldn't be. It's a good thing Phil Simms was not drafted in this era. In the case of Daniel Jones I believe it is a number of factors, most of which were not his doing. The question now is how to put him back together.
Daniel Jones was panned for being drafted too high. Right from the start fans were told he would be a bust by every pundit out there. They wanted Haskins instead. But after the 2019 season hopes were high. People now forget that he performed near the top of his rookie class.
So what happened? He was faced with a change (the enemy of all young QBs) in coaching, a new system and lack of a WR1. A line that could not protect him. He went from a QB friendly system to one that was stale by today's NFL standards. In 2022 he was rescued by a new coach that was experienced in developing QBs. He was rejuvenated, but the roster still was a work in progress that the new GM, with limited salary cap space, could not fix overnight. Last year, the roof caved in from game 1. The opening game was a textbook example of Murphy's Law, and it didn't get better due to an early schedule from hell. Throw in the cumulative effect of key injuries on the O-line, which lacked adequate depth and it was almost an act of mercy that the ACL injury stopped the beatings.
This year is the pivotal one for Daniel Jones. I, for one, will root for him to prove all the doubters wrong. And, after all, isn't that the best outcome for our beloved Giants? Isn't that what every fan should want? Not needing to be searching for the next QB, but to continue to fill this roster with talent at all the other positions? Not setting us back, but moving forward? If you want anything different then you should root for another team.
Perfectly said. Thank you for being a rational fan and basing your opinions on reality.
Last year was the pivotal one for him. This year is just a countdown until his tenure in NY ends. He’s a dead man walking atp. Once the man got paid the excuses went out the window. The personal attacks on the guy are horrid and uncalled for he’s always done his best but he’s just not good enough to be the leader of the giants and never really was. The fans that hate him don’t truly hate him, they just see him as the face of everything wrong with the team who’s been the laughingstock of the league since Eli retired. And that makes them bitter. And as the qb he’s the biggest target for all that bitterness. A lot of it is warranted his play has been far from good. Much of it is unfair. Regardless, being the qb of an nfl team this comes with the territory. So I’m not gonna feel bad for a guy who strong armed a franchise into giving him $100+ million. He refused to take a cheaper deal and right now his contract is the cause of about half the roster deficiencies
Bbbh
The DJ hate has gotten completely ridiculous and toxic from the fans and media this off-season.
It’s absolutely disgusting…it turns me off so much. I am a Giants fan and I root for my team. All these DJ haters need to STFU or find another team to watch.
@@johngreen2510 seriously 31 other teams you could go through for and yet they out here slandering the name of the quarterback that played for their team they want him to be so bad but don't realize that if he is bad that means we don't win
Everybody forgets what he did the 22-23 year. Dj was light out and broke some many records with his legs and arm. I'm hoping we see that Dj this year! Anyway it plays out. It's always, #NYG4LIFE!
Indeed. The "goofy" irrational fans were bad even during the Eli era but the Jones hate has reached an entirely new more ridiculous level.
and for no good reason! A lot of ignorance from those who know nothing about coaching or playing a sport! They parrot what they hear others say. Dimes, I'm proud of you and thank you for all your efforts.
Keep it up gentlemen!! Much respect met Carl 2 years ago at a signing at a local bar nice guy, looking forward to the season 100 years of giants football let's get it big blue
Bob & Carl - thank you so much for this.
Haven't Giants fans have enough of Daniel Jones failures? Is that wrong to be angry at year after year losing. ?
If the Giants have another losing season, fans will have had enough. The Giants were one of the first teams in the NFL. They've always had a proud tradition of winning. Seems they have forgotten how to win.
One caveat about DJ: unless the O-line finally blocks for him, we may not be in for a very encouraging year from him. He cannot continue to run for his life behind a line that can't block and have us expect him to produce. The DJ haters will do this but we need to be smarter and fairer than them.
Djs poor play creats sacks also
@@markmatulic9905 Agreed, but the hard thing to determine is how much of it is him and how much is because he's a bit shell shocked. Before he went down with his injuries, the word on him last season was hit him early, hit him hard and hit him often, and he'll be done the rest of the game. So on plays when the O-line held up, he was behaving as if it didn't. This is why I'll be ready to move on from him if he doesn't shake the jitters in the pocket this coming season. If the O-line does a better job, we should see him return to his 2022 form, hopefully better. If not, then I'll be looking for the Giants to replace him with their first pick next April.
@@BowlerJ1 it's not hard. He's one read and doesn't throw to wide open receivers. He's garbage. Every other team can see that.
@@markmatulic9905 You may be right and, if the O-line plays better this season, his play will determine his future, one way or the other.
@BowlerJ1 we have had enough of a sample size the best he can do is be below average.
The thing I hate the most is people over look the amazing plays DJ has made. He has had some legitimately good games. He doesn’t have the fantasy stats but if you actually watch the games, he makes big plays with his feet. He keeps drives alive and doesn’t lose you games by having three or four turnovers like we see another QBs, like Trevor, Lawrence, etc. I have seen a lot of people bring up 300 yards passing games, as if that is somehow a barometer for winning. I just remember him taking the Giants 94 yards against the Packers, but Saquon injured on the sideline. I remember him making a clutch throw in the back of the end zone to tie the game against the Vikings in the regular season, remember him making clutch plays to close out the Titans game. I understand not liking him and wanting to move on but the amount of hate is just unreal.
He’s thrown some darts that I still have to look at again, ppl forget so quick and just follow the herd
Really?? I've seen more F#CKING AWFUL plays from Danny Dimeless especially in the Red Zone than those "amazing " plays you've seen btw which AMAZING plays are you referring to because NONE come to mind
@@josephrios3481I remember the 7 darts he threw to our TE Engram who was less than 10 yds away and he's throwing 90mph fastballs and those ended up going through his hands for INTs
@@Hazeleyedbri sounds like a catching problem, ur in the damn NFL and they practice every damn day maybe he shouldve practiced catching Daniel’s hardest passes ….. don’t u think ???
@@josephrios3481 really Einstein so you think anyone can catch a 90 mph football at 10 yds range? you really are a special kinda stupid. Let me guess NEVER played any sports but is a keyboard warrior
Same people hated on Eli non stop and he got us two rings!? Tells you all you need to know about these “fans”
Same with Sims.
He’s not Eli Simms Hostetler or even Collins
@@MikeJones-zd6xi And your point is?
The one thing all the QBs you mention and Jones have in common is they were/are Giants QBs with varying skills and degrees of success with the Giants, yet were all recipients of similar amounts of vitriolic spewing nonsense from a select group of so called NY Giants fans.
@@brucemckenzie7927 it’s means he doesn’t get the same grace as others lol I’m a GIANTS FAN NOT A DANIEL JONES FAN so if I feel he’s not the guy for the giants n he’s holding the franchise back then get him tf outta there. U can root for him until the end of time that’s ur choice. I know what I’ve seen n he’s average at best. Giants fans deserve better
@@MikeJones-zd6xi Hell no. Eli didn't get no grace from these fans. A loud and very stupid portion of Giants fans were on him his whole career about one thing or another. Hell, they tried to run him out of town the year he won the first Superbowl with the same reasoning you just used. "Average QB, holding us back, we deserve better!" All that BS. Then he won a Superbowl and everybody shut up for an off season so they could go to the parade as if they weren't just calling for his head a few weeks beforehand.
I don't ride for Jones the way I did/do for Eli but it is the same old dance from seemingly the same old fans... or the next generation of them I guess, and it's the reason a lot of other Giants fans roll their eyes whenever the QB is being crucified without addressing how bad the team played.
DJ is going to have a great year if healthy....Go Big Blue!!
I don't do If 😆
“If healthy” AND “If the OLine can block & protect”
Just like last year, right?
It’s smart to love the team and not any one player, especially when you feel the player holding the team back.
Legitimately too..
The giants offensive line play in 2022 was better.
That’s a wild thought isn’t it…
It's the truth tho. Then the next year they put young bad lineman in front of him and expect him to do anything
@@AF1gaming1999Jones has played behind a horseshit offensive line practically every year he 's played. One reason he gets hurt all the time. We'll see what happens this year, maybe Schoen will finally get it right. Law of averages, you know.
@@johnkomarinetz1101 it went under the radar but the Giants actually signed some vets for the oline and they got Bobby Johnson tf outta there so hopefully we should see improvement
@@AF1gaming1999 I'm expecting the o line to improve
@@markmatulic9905 Hope you're right. They can't play much worse.
The Giants are one of only two NFC teams that have won multiple super bowls in the 21st century. And one of them was the most iconic upset in history. Could be a heck of a lot worse
The Giants have had two winning seasons in 10 years. That's a decade of your life. How much worse do you think it can get?
So what?
And besides, Giants barely won those championships ... on missed field goals, right?
@@francismoran1230what game where you watching he said 21st century not 20th and we beat the best team in the nfl twice
Tell that to any fan that’s 17 and under and probably wasn’t paying attention until 4 years old. That’s 13 years of fandom without feeling relevant in the division.
I witnessed all 4 SB wins, and I remember when we didn’t settle for mediocrity and overhyped players.
DJ finally has a #1WR. I'm excited to see what he can do this upcoming season.
Be prepared to be disappointed. A good QB can make a bad WR good. But a good WR cant make bad QB good .. DJ Stinks!
@@dannyduds1058the same way bad qb Daniel jones gave hodgins and Richie James career seasons?
@@BigJonesEnergysave yourself the headache on a response to a duche like that
@@BigJonesEnergyKenny Golladay, Paris Campbell, Darren Waller.
"Career seasons" lmao Richie James had like 500 yards and Hodgins had like 300 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 nobody is impressed
@@alwaysright123you're gonna be back here making the same old excuses next year. That's just a fact.
Not liking the facts don't change them.
I hope Daniel Jones has a great career. The great Phil Simms went through some difficult seasons and had a terrific career.
Simms showed signs of improvement. Jones has NOT..
If either one of you think that Daniel Jones is the future QB, then both of you need to take two weeks off and then quit
Fans are gonna root when the Giants when they take the field regardless..but once the game is over,people have the right to react to what we seen. And we all been watching for 5 years.. Nobody else on the team is allotted this kind of grace. People want Evan Neal gone,they calling kayvon a bust..it's never "hate" when other players get trashed though
Real quiet under this comment... hmmm....
I'm a fan of the Giants, not of their fan base. So much toxicity.
I'm not a Jones hater. But I'll admit to being a little worried about his injury history. I don't want him to follow Andrew Luck's path of neck injuries and forced retirement.
Don't worry that will be the only thing him and Andrew Luck (a good QB) have in common.
Did the QB2 and QB3 move the offense better and did the weapons put up better numbers? There may be some shortcomings around the QB, but that immediate change is undeniably due to him failing at basic things.
I don't get the hate either. 2 years ago Daboll started to get the best out of him. He wasn't slinging TDs ala Mahomes but he managed the offense with the little talent we had and got us a playoff win.
Last season he got killed behind that o line . People forget the man took a insane beating Week 1. 49ers had free pass rushes all game . The injuries were 100% on the oline . The man was seeing ghost at one point . Could never settle in the pocket for any consistent time. It was sad to watch . Hopefully we get this oline back to 2022 level so we can run some kind of offense again.
Im 35. Born in 88. I got to actually see 07 and 11. I dont remember this divide in the fanbase. My dad started taking me to giants games when i was 9 or 10. I get to take him now but we live up near the finger lakes/ southern tier. Thats a 4+ hr drive both ways. My point is idk how you can be a fan and root against youre qb.. make it make sense. HES GOING TO BE THE QB NEXT YEAR. GET SOME NAPKINS FOR NEXT YEAR IF THAT UPSETS YOU BUT ITS JUST A FACT
I think many people don't believe in Daniel Jones rather than rooting against him, and they have the right to until he proves himself. No one should root against the starting QB, whomever it is, but I am not paid to be Jones' cheerleader either.
Interesting observation ... however, at this point, after a six-year NFL “scholarship,” it’s time to perform.
yeah there's definite extra leeway given to a guy who simply hasn't reliably produced.
Thank you Carl Banks & Bob Papa for posting this video. I was one of the Giants fans who was ready to give up on Daniel Jones after the horrific 2023 season. After seeing the way in which DJ has recovered from the ACL injury he suffered last season is amazing. That type of injury has ended many other QB's careers in the past, but Jones had the diligence and determination to fight his way back to nearly being ready to return to the field during training camp. I admire his determination, and he's held his head high with class through all of the media questions about last season.
I'm really glad that Joe Schoen and Brandon Brown acquired some quality OL veterans to aid that invisible OL from last season. With the money they gained from the unfortunate retirement of Darren Waller I hope they'll seek some more additions for the depth of the OL.
I want DJ to have a great year, because if he has a great year, that means Big Blue has a great year. That's what it's all about anyway. GO BIG BLUE!
I root for this team so whoever we have I’m going to root for them!
Jones can get it done, if the giants put together an offensive line.
People just forget that DJ had one of the best games and comebacks against the Cardinals in Week 2 last year. Outside of that, in the few games that DJ did play he had zero chance with the OL and all the injuries and the teams we faced.
Yeah right after he got plowed 0-40 to the cowboys. Did you forget that one too? Didn’t score a TD in 6 quarters and after that one half went back to being bad. That’s his problem. He can’t just stay good. He always regresses.
@@azikkii That 40-0 loss a "pure and utter coaching failure", a high school coach could have a done a better job!!!
@@H5000-zb2rw soo when we get blowed out 40-0 its the coaches fault lol but when we come bck from a 28-0 deficit its because of daniel jones?
@@azikkii dummy, do u think we lost bc of Jones?? Do u know what an offensive line is??
@@Black__dthe can't block for himself gtfoh
The biggest thing with DJ has always been his health and he has to stay healthy, but people forget that plenty of starting QBs are injury prone like Burrow, Lamar, Watson, Murray, and Tua. Burrow even went to the Super Bowl the year after tearing his ACL.
There’s more to the story . He’s not that good period
@@AndrejLittleBirrow looked trash before he got WR's
I lived through the Giants of the 1970's with Morton to Pisarcik I had the "I'll Cry To-Mara" towel. Can't believe we are back there again.
This fan base will hate who ever plays QUARTERBACK for the Giants they hated on Eli , as a New Yorker the fans swear they know how to run the team , New York is a joke , not a fan of DJ , but I hope he proves people wrong
They've had 1 winning season in 8 years. I think you can understand that fans are reasonably impatient.
Unfortunately Carl we live in the social media era where almost everything is made to look way better or way worse then it actually is and clicks/views drive people. The giants are a well established organization so it’s easy for people to push narratives to our “fans” and those same fans feed into anything negative because social media has skewed the reality of everything and if we aren’t a highlight reel of a team or have the perfect QB who puts up the most stats every year, they become outraged and angered, ignoring the reality of the teams situation and the outliers of said team
I love listening to these guys B. Papa, C. Banks, P. Sims, K. Warner, etc. They cut through the nonsense that's dumped on fans who don't know what they're looking at.
I am pulling for Daniel Jones. Fan of Giants since 1983.
I know these guys have to protect the team and players etc, but this is not rocket science. You dont have to have played in the NFL to see DJ is a bad QB. Even the team knows, they just tried to trade up for a QB (We all know this). What I dont like is that certain Giants fans and commenators do is try to explain the badness. Well he was horrible bc of this and this and this, he has to be held accountable for his own play at home point. I know he is our starter this year and I want the Giants to win but if the offense looks like a hot mess again and we start out 1-7, I need Daboll to rip the Jersey off him in game. Not his fault he got draft @ 6 but we need real QB production from him.
Are you asking Daniel to not be terrible?
Come now, keep it civil.
Jones has just been ineffective and injured, it’s not toxic to want more from your QB in year 6….
That's a fair statement, however the DJ haters me sick!
Settling for less than mediocre play from a critical position? From a player that was paid as much as Jones was, with his injury track record, one playoff win over multiple seasons, and overall poor play.
No, Banks and Papa. We shouldn’t settle as fans for this. The standards and the bar should be a hell of a lot higher. Hes had enough excuses. Enough do-overs. Enough second chances.
Either prove it or get shipped off this year. Period. Taylor and DeVito, a journeyman and a non-factor, played better under center when given the opportunity. This was with the offensive line struggling and the same weapons on the field.
The Giants invested a ton in free agency to bring in more talent along the line. They drafted the best wideout we’ve had since OBJ. Jones has ZERO, and I mean ZERO, excuses.
Will I root for him to succeed? Sure. But I’m not holding my breath that he’s all of a sudden going to have things click. His best season in 2022 was still pedestrian compared to the upper echelons of quarterbacks in the league.
Yeah they don't want to hear the reality, they just wanna feel important by lauding garbage play en masse.
Daniel Jones is goofy in the pocket. I watched a highlight last night, where he fell down after dropping back to pass, when no one touched him at all, he just fell to the ground. Smh
DJ finally has a WR1 and I believe that he will repeat 2022 but better in 2024.
And people keep saying he had a weak on arm 😭 for throwing Malik like bruh 😭
I don't understand this comment. No one really says DJ has a weak arm tho if that's what you're saying.@@michaeljohnson-ug4gr
@@ayyubjackson the non-giants fan keep about the quarterback for saying who’s gonna throw ? Or whatever the hell they says they slander Daniel Jones because they don’t trust him because he got hurt that’s why.
@@ayyubjacksonA lot of ignorant Giants fans say he has a week arm, which is ridiculous.
@@thomascolbert2687even since we draft giants fans was lost it at DJ
It’s been 6 yrs and jones is a bottom tier qb that’s made his o line look worse than they really are and they are bad
I hope you guys host the Giants fans at a local pub in Munich like you did in London at the Horse and Guardsman! I had a ball that week! My flight is already booked. Go Big Blue!!
Bob Papa - you are the best! I’ve loved your work and your passion since day one. Thanks to both of you for representing my team.
People are NOT specifically rooting for him to be bad. They just know he’s bad and want to move on. This is his 6th year? Why would anyone think he’s suddenly going to become a Super Bowl winning QB? If he’s not a Super Bowl winning QB why would we root for him when we can have someone else?
Yep I heard how bad he was all the way through him setting a Playoff Record the year before 🤦♂️
7 to 9 wins is definitely doable. The Giants went 6-11 and should've went 8-9 and could've easily went 10-7 last year despite all the injuries.
OMG!! I am sooooooo fed up with fans, bloggers, & press beating up on Daniel Jones. It's TOTAL bullshit. He's played behind dreadful O-lines, with mediocre receivers & shitless Offensive co-ordinators, except for 2022. If DJ was on the 49s he'd be all-pro & that's a fact. SO SHOVE IT ALL YOU DOUBTERS!
I. With ya BRO 💯 %
The o line the receivers and jones were all bad
me too...with Nabers watch them eat their words
Care to make a friendly wager?
You're an Oline/WR hater and thus not a real fan. Those guys leave it all out there every sunday....
See how this charade collapses on itself like wet cardboard? You're in a cult.
I will explain it in the simplest terms possible.
In the NFL, you cannot win if you do not have a Top Ten QB.
Jones is not a Top Ten QB.
We need a Franchise QB.
Fans want the Band Aid ripped off.
Which top ten qb doesn’t have a wr1? Daniel sure didn’t
@@Revengeiswicked
The GIANTS have not helped him. I get that. Not in any way. Bad OLine, So-So to bad weapons. Revolving door of coaches and coordinators. I understand all of that.
I am rooting for Jones. He is my QB.
He isn’t the guy though. If he was the guy, he would be the guy by now.
We need to find the guy.
If Jones proves me wrong and takes multiple steps forward and becomes a Franchise QB I will be happy.
He’s a great guy, he’s just not a top 10 QB.
Build the team, get depth on the roster, then find the QB.
The team is better in several areas in 2024 then they were in 2023.
Probably not winning with the worst O-line either. Reality check.
@@garycunningham9216
So your contention is that he is a top QB if he has a good O-Line?
It’s your contention that his middling performance has nothing to do with his abilities or lack thereof?
Is that your contention?
You think if Daniel Jones was black you think he would have this many opportunities are we being realistic smh Banks is exhausting
It's not toxic to be sick of mediocrity. People are sick and tired of the Daniel Jones experiment and lash out accordingly.
I re-listened to you Bob, and like you, when I was born Y.A. Tittle was QB. I grew up hearing my grandfather, Dad, and Uncle cheer and yell at the TV. I was in college when the Giants won the '86 Superbowl. Through all the years I have enjoyed the good and the bad, but I have never experienced pure Humiliation until the games that Daniel Jones played in the 2023 season. After he went down the ship began to wright, and the season wasn't over until the Giants lost to the Saints, because 83.333% of the Giants success came on the shoulder of the back-ups. You can NOT convince me that if Parcells were here that Jones wouldn't have been riding the bench long before he was injured (not a knock on Dabol). I fact, let me clarify that Schone and Dabol need to stay put and finish building the team. ........IF you put Daniel Jones on the field, then defenses will continue where they left off and bull rush him and keep coming until he cracks (which shouldn't take long If fans get humiliated again (not to mention the whole injury clause thing), then you WILL see fans go "GOOFY" to the power of ten! Daniel Jones is not an asset he IS a liability. The reality is we have 3 back-up QBs and no legitimate #1 QB. I'm good with that for now, as long as the Giants organization owns reality. Do the best with what you have, but NEVER humiliate me and the team again. Pretty please.
He’s had years to show he’s a nfl Qb and he has showed us he’s not. Hope against the odds is a terrible strategy. He gets hurt a lot and isn’t available. We need a Qb. I’m not “goofy “ for seeing what’s in front of my eyes. Under your logic Eric flowers was a great player. I rooted hard for Dj, he’s just not a guy that’s bringing us a superbowl. You can keep hoping and think that’s going to turn him into mahomes… who’s goofy again?
Well said
@@AquariusLeviathanProphecy Poorly said. You bring up a failed Tackle to discuss QB play? DJ is an NFL QB. Not elite, but in the pack with all the others who can win if all the parts are in place around him. Like Purdy, Hurts, Dak, etc., etc. NONE of them can lift a bad team. There's Josh Allen and Mahomes and pretty much nobody else who could make the playoffs with the teams the Giants put out there over that last five years.
It’s the line.
Erick flowers showed 0 promise and his position isnt as dependant to others as a qb. A qb needs an oline to homd up and recievers to actually catch and a run game to keep the defensive line honest hes had a bottom 5 oline his entire career and a bottom 10 recieving core his entire career how many qbs survive that u wanna say he made galloday bad? He hasnt been picked up since and hes tried out for other teams golden tate was on his literal last leg im not even sayi g hes great or anything but to say hes had a fair shot to prove himself is laughable did u see hiw they looked last year fully healthy withiut him? He took that same team to the playoffs and won a game the year before
@@billbrightly5546 u wrong 😆
It’s a big assumption saying the OL will be good.
I don’t care how you dress it up… As long as that man is the QB. This will not be a winning organization.
Thank u! It’s year 6 wtf are we talking about. We know he’s not good or we wouldn’t have tried for drake maye a year after resigning him 🤦🏾♂️
Change teams.
Sure some people take things too far, but the overuse of the term “toxic” against anybody that disagrees with a desired narrative has become a pathetic all-purpose shield for those making excuses.
No it hasn’t
Thank you for saying everything I have been feeling about this team and Daniel Jones . I’ve been a die hard fan since I’m 12 and I’m 52 now . I have had the privilege of watching this team win 4 Super Bowls. I am a huge DJ supporter . It will absolutely depend on this O line . If we block we will win and DJ is our guy for a long time . I predict he will win us a Super Bowl in the near future . Let’s Go!!!
After a good nights sleep, I have this to add: I wish people like Carl Banks and Tiki Barber were both NYG coaches. If they had an actual voice, then the Giants would actually be hitting people in pre-season (You know...real conditioning). They both played with Heart, and that more than anything wins games. Barber effected his teammates (including Toomer) with something as simple as "keep your legs pumping"...YAK. In short, the Giants were not prepared to play in 2023.
I saw the same thing that's why they lost early on(,Hard first 6 games didnt help either)they were in bubble wrap in camp and preseason and dallas knew the importance of game 1 and came to play add some injuries and it snowballed. the good news is Dabol stopped the bleeding and if the win the jet bills and ram games they are in the playoffs through it all. They have learned from their mistakes that this aint the 2000 KC ram- bills. they need to be tougher and drafted and in freeagency went for that.Now they better do some hitting camp.
Tiki hell no 😆
I believe in Daniel Jones💯
Keep fighting the good fight guys. You're never going to get through to the extreme flank who want to blame all of the teams troubles at one guy's feet, but actual analysis like this grounded in reason and experience might help some fans in the middle from falling into that extreme. People forget that the content creators they love to follow on social media don't generate revenue by providing good, fair and reasonable analysis. They generate their revenue through clicks, views, engagement and subscriptions. Being entertaining and provocative is their goal, not providing good analysis.
Acknowledging bad playing and not excusing it when it’s demonstrated to be a pattern is not rooting for failure. It’s pleading for improvement. We pay money, y’all make money.
I'm more tired of Giants employees crying about people being mean on the internet than I am of the "toxic fans". There's multiple Bleav episodes that are half taken up by complaining about fan comments on the internet. Talk football and stop trying to police twitter JFC.
Goofy
@@tiptoe253exactly goofy 😂
Your goofy ass apart of the problem
Danny Dime gonna shine this season BET.
"It's goofy town" isn't analysis. It's pathetic to listen to Papa and Banks shill for an organization that has been a dumpster fire for over ten years. It's funny to hear them snicker and whine during game broadcasts when the Giants looks like crap (yet again), but then in the offseason, they bash true Giants fans who are sick of losing. Daniel Jones stinks. It was a huge mistake to draft him at #6, and it was a huge mistake to give him a big second contract. And Papa and Banks are simply incapable of making a case that doesn't consist of petty mockery of true Giants fans. Pathetic guys shilling for a pathetic organization. Look forward to more losing in 2024.
Perfect word for them type fans, goofy
🤣🤣💯💯💯💯💯
A few less polite adjectives would fit as well
Carl and Bob, I truly respect your opinions and takes on the Giants. Besides the erratic play we’ve seen from DJ, what concerns me most is his propensity for injuries.
With his contract, I’d be willing to stick with DJ if he’d take a significant pay cut to allow Schoen to improve the roster.
What worries me is if he gets injured again he’ll be on the books for 2025 and we’ll be back at square one with him again, which is why I didn’t fault Schoen for reportedly making a strong push to trade up for Drake Maye during the draft.
People forget the year he had more time, he was top 3 in the league throwing the deep ball.
Keep that same energy when Daboll benches Jones for Lock. Keep that same energy. Came back here and call Daboll names for not rooting for the Dan Jones experience. The only thing Carl is accomplishing is getting the fans to turn on him with this toxic fan nonsense every time a fan points out the obvious.
Idk about everyone else, but I’m more worried about DJ’s injury history more than anything. I do believe he can improve his play compared to his previous years, but he needs to be on the field consistently just like he needs a consistent coaching philosophy in order to make that happen.
I’m reluctantly believing, but I am worried that injuries will derail his career
Daniel Jones is still the guy for the Giants.
Bob stop I can name a few QBs who work with less and still won games ???????
Are you asking a question or making a statement?
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Those people who are constantly negative , aren't TRUE Giants fans . I will NEVER boo the Giants . I will disagree sometimes , but never hate or boo.
Say wth you want...I'm a 40+ year Giants fan and when we're bad I criticize em...fan how you fan but foh that we're not real Giants fans 🤡
It is goofy land. It’s insane, I can’t even get on social media without seeing the DJ hate. It’s just non stop, it’s overtaken any sort of positivity we can have for the team.
Do I think DJ is the 10 year multiple super bowl champ QB? No.
will I root and support for whoever is behind the helm until I die? hell yes.
We need more of Carl Banks personality in the front office.
I root for whoever’s in Giants Blue. Therefore I root for Daniel Jones. However, my family has been season ticket holders for generations. I will not hold my tongue. I dare Carl, Bob, and whoever else loves making excuses for a 6 year QB to go to tailgates at MetLife and ask season ticket holders how they feel about DJ
This episode or topic is overdue!! DJ has been under high heat, high pressure, & is ready to emerge as a diamond in the rough
Those Are Fake NYG Fans' Vultures Click Bait! They Do The Same With The Knicks' Let's Go DJ!!!! F*#^k The Haters!! NYG4Life #BigBlueWreckingCrew! #NYK #NYY #NYR
Have any of these haters switch their current job responsibilities 3+ times. Ex: This year you work McD, next year, you have to work at Peter Luger. This year, you're a general doctor, you're a cardiovascular doctor. This year, you're a construction worker, next year, you're an industrial designer. Let's stop rooting for the guy to fail bc you would, too.
It just seems to me that these two esteemed experts would want a fair competition at QB. At one time the retired player was allowed to compete for the job and won it but now he doesn't want Lock to compete. Click bait pros.
What fan actively roots for a below average/bad qb? I would think fans would want a good qb rather than hoping a bad one plays well.
Thank you for this. I'm tired of it.
I don’t think most fans are rooting against him, I think he took a contract that put a loaded gun to his head to perform last year and he didn’t. With the injury clause that could profoundly hamstring our cap space in 25, and Jones propensity to get injured, we are focused on the long term. If not for that clause, Jones would have a lot more fan support.
No what's goofy is how you can defend a QB that isn't a franchise QB and can't read a defense I bet of you ask Daboll true option he would say he read a damn defense and process information fast enough unless he a premier running back to command most of the attention of the opposition defense smh
Call banks fans aren't frustrated we just aren't as delusional as you are we are looking at the film and realizing he cannot read a defense he doesn't see wide open receivers The fans are dealing with reality Banks you are living in a Giants fantasy world
I'm not one of them. We saw him look solid in 2022. Let's wait and see this season.
We will root for him if he actually plays good. Problem is he mostly plays horrible, sometimes average and rarely great. Please dont bring up the vikings playoff game
It's not Jones ability most knowledgeable football people lost faith in, it's his availability. You can't build your entire team around a quarterback who is one more neck injury away from early retirement.
Thanks for keeping Giants pride alive and reminding people of our history
We dont have dave canales...you guys are wrong
Daniel Jones is my quarterback until he isn’t. I am of course open to change, but until then, I will support him. We should all want him to do well.
The bigger question is why does the Giants organization allow all of the abuse DJ gets not only from the main stream sports media FOX, and ESPN especially. Is theres a no PR dept that addresses these things? the media consistently outright lies, and discredits this kid it seems like pure harassment..
Thank you Bob and Carl!
I’m looking forward to the 2024 season and I’m pulling for my boys in blue.let all these so called experts make there predictions we all know there never ever right..go out there giants and let’s show everyone where on our way back.and fans let’s get behind our team
Indeed. The "goofy" irrational fans were bad even during the Eli era but the Jones hate has reached an entirely new more ridiculous level.
Of course my comment is 3 wks later. But, oh well...I think the 2-3 factors are, we live in a "do it now culture." I think social media is a huge factor, but we have this do it now instead of wait later mentality. The second reason is fantasy football. Fantasy football fans don't realize it takes a team effort in order for superstars to generate those fantasy points. Third reason, we come from Ny. Ny is a win-now culture.
Those are my thoughts.
It’s the losing and losing badly for a decade plus real fans are angry and tired of the season being over by Halloween. People looking for reasons for the losing. Last year was fun at the end team fought but other than that it’s frustrating
Dear toxic Giants employees: Why are you lecturing fans when this franchise has had 1 winning season in 8 years?
Not true Carl! If you Ever want to win a Chip again , We need a QB
1: Wouldn’t you be scared with no Oline. You’re not going to see open receivers when running for your life 2: Yeah injuries with no Oline it happens. 3: Wasn’t the same offensive line Andrew Thomas came back plus addition and look at the schedule during that time
10 years of BAD NYG OLINES, is DISGUSTING!!!!!!
Carl has the shittiest take on why the fans dislike em. He just isn’t getting the job done. Do we really have to pry peoples eyes open to see he’s not a franchise qb
I like Christmas, but I have really good reason not to lay in bed on Christmas Eve, waiting for a sign that Santa Claus was on my roof. I won't ruin it for Papa & Banks though.
Guys get over it. It’s football nothing is perfect. Go out and play ball. Stop throwing the ball to DBs and make better decisions. My god he’s being paid a ton. These arguments would be ok to play DJ if we are giving him minimum wages. But we are paying him top tier QB money. For what?
Not even Tom Brady could win with the line he's had. If the 5 guys on the line do their job to a league average, DJ will prove he wasn't the problem, plain and simple.
@@GonzoA211 I'll wager $1000 dollars that any other starting quarterback would have been able to mustard more than 21 points a game, 20 touchdowns and 3000 yards of offense with the line and weapons we have. Don't make excuses for DJ it's his 6th year.
@Scorpiohandles I hear ya. But I respectfully disagree. If the line looks better...I garuntee you that he will have people walking back what they said about him come mid-season.
Remember we are paying him 40 million a year for his production. In practice reports claim that he is checking it down most of the time. You want that for our season?
Once that ball is snapped i don't think anyone is rooting against DJ. He's in a Giants uniform and he's a part of this team. The fact of the matter is a good portion of this fanbase flat out does not believe in Daniel Jones. How could we with him under center? This offense has been like watching paint dry for years. Were tired of the excuses and we want to see results. 5 minutes into this im already hearing the same excuses we've all become numb to bc we have simply heard them for far too long. Me personally i care more for any Giants logo than i do any specific player on this team. How have we all become miserable Carl?? We'll idk Carl maybe it's the nearly 13 years of getting our butts kicked that has something to do with it lol. Downright sad and it pisses people off that truly care about this team.
I’m in the boat of Daniel Jones Super Bowl, MVP come back player of the year
jones has the physical tools, but not the brain. dude does not process the field, dude does not audible. open receivers frequently left open. yes the oline the oline, but still, qbs gotta make things happen. his pocket awareness is lousy. its always the coaches fault, the coordinators, the oline. when is it that jones just doesnt 'have it?
OLINE, OLINE, OLINE!!!!!!!!!!