DDR4 RAM Speed vs Latency, Rank, Timings, OC, & XMP PC Guide
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- Опубліковано 7 сер 2024
- DDR4 RAM Speed vs Latency, Rank, Timings, OC, & XMP PC Guide
In this video I go over PC RAM DDR4 rank, speed, CAS latency, capacity, number of modules, how to upgrade your RAM, how to properly install your RAM, how to optimize your RAM, XMP vs DOCP, how to overclock your RAM, and what RAM you should buy.
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What RAM speed, latency, and rank are you running?
first of its all about the stocks
2x8GB 3200MHz\CAS 14 Team Dark Pro optimized to Buildzoid levels!
2x8GB 3800Mhz 14-14-14-28
Running 3800MHz 15-14-14-30 myself.
F4-3600C19D-32GTRG
2x16 3600 cl19-20-20-40
More than good enough for a 3700x, x570 i system imo.
I would watch the whole video, but here you go:
1:05 Ram Speed
2:21 Latency
3:37 Rank
4:36 Capacity
5:56 Memory Channels
7:13 Memory matching
9:00 Installation
10:20 Optimizing Memory
This ram guide's title should have for beginners added to the end....
Yeah it's a really basic explanation versus watching buildzoid on actual hardware overclocking
@@F5alconsHouse Well really for most buildzoid goes into to much detail. The most most of us adjust are the MHz and CAS speeds.
thank you. I recently finished my first self-build [Ryzen 3600, Vengeance RAM @ 3600, 5700XT] and had no idea DOCP was a thing - I just manually set the RAM to 3600. DOCP is now set, which I hope will resolve a few sticky issues I've had
Thank you for this video! Very informative. I learned a lot.
Very nice video on the RAM basics.
Great video. Very in depth
Extremely useful
Good stuff!
I recently just has to RMA a brand new stick of g skill trident z neo from a 2x16 kit and the original sticks were dual rank well the new replacement stick I got back from RMA was single rank which did drop my multi core and single core mem scores down 5% and 2% vs what I had previously before sending in my RMA.. you think it's worth trying to RMA again or since essentially it is same exact numbers and kit numbers they would just tell me sorry about your luck.?
how does the tighter latency's work tho? the closer the big number at the end is to the first few numbers the better? im so confused
Great video for beginners! Unfortunately not quite the video I was looking for :(.
When tweaking timing from DRAM calculator (version 1.7.1 and above), in PCB revision should we go with Manual, with latencies provided from Thaiphoon exported XMP or judging from the physical stick? Because looking at the physical stick, it seems to be a revision A2 stick capable of CL14, but following Thaiphoon XMP I got CL 16.
I would start with the profile exported from thaiphoon.
Currently I have just put a 32 gb kit which is 2x16 with my other kit that was 2x8 both same exact speed timings and 3600 that essentially makes me run in dual rank regardless correct? Because four singles is essentially same as 2 dual rank sticks would be. Surprisingly even with 4 sticks and different sizes it still runs stable at xmp setting but can't over clock further just rated speed .. but when my 32 gb kit is solo it does allow tighter timings and higher speed
What matters is the absolute latency. 3200 CL16 is the same latency as 3600 CL18: both are 56ns. The latter option will still be faster, due to higher bandwidth, and on Ryzen, higher infinity fabric speed.
hi i am running my ram at 3600 with 1800 infinity fabric with 14-14-14-28, i was wondering if 3800 is better for my ryzen system? i have 3900x processor. i wanted to know the things i have to change? do i just change the IF to 1900 and the memory to 3800? is it that simple? i am running the memory at 1.45v.
I have a budget Corsair LPX 3600 cl18 oc to 4000 cl18 (Same timings and voltage) on Intel i7. Is it okay? I haven't had any issues yet. I try to change the command rate to 1 but it won't boot even at stock XMP.
Stock timing 18-22-22-42, maybe I should leave it at 3600 and lower the timing? oh and this is a bad memory with micron b-die.
Maybe I should just sell it?.. IDK, I don't have the budget to buy better ram.
is it bad somehow if you enable xmp later on and not straight after installing the ram ?
So trident royale 4000 18-22-22-42 or trident royale 3200 16-18-18-38. If the calculator I found was right the 4000 should be faster, but will my msi z590 ace with an i9 10900k run the 4000 at that speed or should I go with the 3200 and know it will push the full 3200? I will not be over locking not there yet, but I will enable the xmp. Tia
i want to upgrade my ram for my alienware m15 ryzen alienware laptop, what ram should i get for best gaming performance?
quick question: is 3200mhz ram with cl 22 a lot worse than the same speed with cl16?
Does more ram increase latency? Here is the case: Let us say I have a low latency (low CAS) 64GB kit for my sTRX4 motherboard. What will happen with the latency if I use two of these kit to achieve 128GB of RAM?
I have a EVGA 3090 FTW3 hybrid sitting in my living room. Had no idea it would arrive 24 hours after I purchased it. Now, I need to buy the rest of the parts. I know I’m going with 10900k and a 360 aio for it. I just want to get the absolute best 64gb ram for my build. I want the fastest with lowest latency. My use will be gaming amd streaming. And most likely editing but top level performance is what I go for. I did not spend over $1900 on a gpu to skimp out on ram. What is the absolute best ram with lowest latency 64gb for my build? Also, which is better? 2 or 4 sticks?
I'm building a NAS Router Server and wondering if I should use ECC RAM or if it doesn't matter. It's expensive, or else I'd just do it. But now I'm not sure if I should get ECC or "gaming" memory. I'd prefer the best binned stuff I can get, and prevent errors just with build quality.
Just bought a new HP laptop with Ryzen 7 4700U and a 32GB DDR4 3200 RAM kit is on the way (CL 16 18 18 36). This is my first AMD system.
I read somewheres that AMD motherboards don't use XMP because it is Intel technology. Is this true? Or does AMD use XMP? And where exactly in the BIOS do I find it?
And if AMD doesn't use XMP, do they use something else? And what is it called?
Thanks for the video and the help.
Honestly, if it's all the same you're fine. You can get one set of 2x8GB and 2x16GB with the same timing and you'll be fine. Also what motherboard has them side by side? The Verge?>
Should I take 3200 ram for a ryzen 7 2700x?
I added a crucial 8Gb stick to my laptop 4yrs ago, mismatched too 😕 but no issues. Next build will be a set.
32gb for ryzen 7 3700x. 3600mhz CL18 or 3466mhz CL17?
G Skill Trident Z 32GB (4x8) Single Rank 3200 Mhz CL14 pushed to 3866 CL16. Running on a Gigabyte Aorus Master Z390 with a 9900k.
What he says still rings true to this day. I just finished a Ryzen 7 5800X build and I got two 32GB sets of Corsair Dominator but they were not my first two. The first two I got used different memory chips; one Micron one Hynix. I could tighten the timings on the Micron set but not the Hynix. I exchanged the Hynix for another set that was Micron and I am able to run all four sticks at lower timings. You can use CPU-Z to tell what chips your RAM uses. I know 64GB is way too much but I wanted four sticks for the lighting and I was not able to find four of a different size, but if 32GB wasn't enough in the future, then I would need to buy all new set(s) of RAM. Also, if you're a gamer or power user, get a minimum 32GB. A decent set of 32GB can range from $150-$200 where as a 16GB version of the same set would only be $20-30 cheaper. Just idling with Chrome, Steam, GOG, Epic, Wallpaper Engine, iCUE and other apps, I'm using slightly below 14GB of RAM. Save that $20-30 somewhere else or if you really have to, get a cheaper 32GB set, just don't get crap.
some higher speed/lower latency ram was only available as 8 gb sticks, so to hit 32 gb 4x8 was the only option. Besides, the extra memory rank helps. I agree buying a matched kit is the way to go, since that way it's less likely to be as finicky
4:52
I do like me some 16 GB of DDDR4 memory XD
I have some Corsair 3000hz with r5 3600. I enabled DOCP but I then chose 3333hz which was the maximum speed it would run stable at, this was to get the fabric clock to bump up to 1667. Am I missing something by not fidgeting with the timings. Manually tweaking timings seems complicated and time consuming to me
It's very time consuming, but in my opinion it worth it. The ones with the biggest impact are the first 4 numbers, but all timings make a difference.
So umm, my cpu supports ddr4-2666mhz, but my motherboard supports up to 4000mhz. Does that mean, that the 4000mhz would work just fine?
Literally stress testing a RAM overclock as I type this and watch this video! (it's a really bad Hynix MFR kit, I honestly don't have much hope for this thing and I'm thinking of getting a new kit)
I've had a few stinkers in my time. My current set is an amazing B-die overclocker though.
@@GraphicallyChallenged x3 senpai noticed me!
@@StephaneColibri crucial micron memory is good, its what im using
2 identical kits is fine been doing that for so long. I still have my old pc (11 yrs old) ddr3 with 2 identical kits still works great up to these days. Last 2 years ago i bought same for my friend ddr4. And last january and march 2020 for my another 2 friemds. Both have 32 Gb 2 identical kits. All of them works fine.
Hey, 32Go: 3600MHz cas 16 or 4000MHz cas 18 for extreme perf gaming/streaming/video editing ?
It really depends. If your using Ryzen 3600MHz. If you are using intel and game a lot 4000MHz might be better though the 3600MHz kit technically has lower latency with 8.88ns vs 9ns.
I'm building a future proof high end, intel gen 11 gaming machine (will be running gen 10 in the meantime) I'm thinking 4000MHz is the way to go
Should I set my 3200mhz cl14 ram to 3600mhz cl15? is trading 1 cash latency worth it?
3600MHz CAS 15 has lower latency and higher bandwidth. It's much better.
Ugh, I'm working on a threadripper build and it supports quad-channel ram. I bought two sets of dual-channel ram from two different sources. They also have a latency of 18.
Is it true that gskill trident z rgb ram are samsung bdie are only gtzr and gtzrc or gtzrn are hynix?
I'm not sure if they all are, but mine are B-die.
I'm not sure 16gb will be enough with Windows 10 using more ram with the newest updates; Considering the game launchers antivirus etc. I'm sitting comfortable with 64 gigs on my old PC, but I also got 4 more 4 x 8gb sticks during Christmas newegg sales.
What about ECC RAM? You should do a video on that.
One thing I’m surprised you didn’t touch on is running 4 sticks vs 2 on a dual channel mobo. (Or maybe you did and I missed it) But I found more instability when running 4 sticks even though it’s quad ranked, the IMC seems to stress more. I had weird issues with programs crashing even though the memory is stable with memtest. Then I gave up and tried running just two sticks on the primary slots and voila, no issues since. The reason I mention this, is some youtubers like to “Fill” all slots for aesthetics and it can be misleading for noobs watching.
It's worse on the IMC and there are usually 2 channels on a board that perform better, so overall 2 sticks is usually ideal for higher speeds.
G skill trident Z 16gb 3600mhz 15-15-15-35 on ryzen 3700x
Just use the motherboard qvl to pick the ram. Some kits of 2x8 are validated in 4 stick configurations and "not a bad idea"
If its validated you should be fine. I just don't mix kits as a rule of thumb. It makes things easy. There is also a chance that you could have worse OC using two kits manufactured far apart from eachother. The big no no for me is kits with different speeds or timings.
@@GraphicallyChallenged Is it because it just won't work? I understand mixing speeds is bad but does timing matter in fps in terms of gaming?
I had 3 bad kits of RAM in a row. It was a nightmare. I still fear for what the problems might have done to the rest of my system. I'm glad I decided to upgrade or I might not have found out the RAM was the problem. I upgraded from a 16gb kit of 2666 to a 32gb kit of 3200. I'm just gaming but I like having to not think about chrome and itunes.
Great information for a newbie like me man, thanks for that 🙏, hope you can make another video like this that explain abt GPU and CPU as well, maybe all the PC components 😁
My 3200Mhz RAM's timings are 16-18-18-38 is that still ok vs 14-14-14-34? Paired with a Ryzen 7 3800X
CAS 16 isn't bad. You can always try and tighten it to CAS 14 or OC to 3600MHz if you feel the need.
@@GraphicallyChallenged Thanks.
You running oloy right i just bought it im new to the OC game
I have that oloy kit. It's a very poor overclocker.
Do I have to care about overclocking? I do want to run 144htz 1440p games. Maybe it’s not that big of a difference
are those bent pins in the 3900xt?
Yep, it was shipped to me that way. I had to fix it. Time for AMD to switch to LGA.
my first selfbuild from late summer
r5 5600x
corsair dominator platinum 4x 8gb 3600mhz cl 16-18-18-36 rank 1
n7 b550
m22 krakken
h510
gigabyte aorus 3070 master
This video: remember, you can never put too much water 💦 into a nuclear reactor.
Molten salt reactor: AM I JOKE TO YOU?!
That is just not true, overcooling is an issue
3200 c16 or 3600 c18 ??
I learned in some yt clip that if you use four single rank sticks they automaticly work as dual rank. True?
I believe so.
@@GraphicallyChallenged so in that case may I benefit from buying 4x8 gb single rank sticks instead of 2x16 single rank?
Dual rank isn't better for over clocking. For capacity it is though or for casual use. Then again if you are doing casual use stuff I'd prefer to use ECC memory.
Of course because it outperforms single rank at lower frequency and worse timings.
A 4266CL17 DR kit is going to outperform a 4800CL19 SR kit.
"Only need 16gb", but what ive my minecraft modpack uses 12gb and i also want to watch youtube in chrome with a bunch of guides up? Im just playing games and need 32gb
If one is willing to spend a couple of hours testing different position combos and bios settings, it should be mostly fine nowadays to use mismatching sticks.
I currently have 2x8gb Crucial 2400, plus 1x16gb Kingston 3200, supposedly working in dual channel (or at least partially), and although a few initial combos failed to boot, one eventually worked. The 16gb stick's speed was reduced to 2400 to match the other ones, but still an overall OC to 2667 has been stable for months now.
They will set to the lower speed and will OC very differently. Best practice is to just buy 1 kit. Its usually not much more expensive anyway.
@@GraphicallyChallenged , yeah, and to me that's acceptable. It was a mistake a few years ago to go for 2400 anyway... My problem a few months ago was that my original 2x8gb sticks apparently have been discontinued, and whatever was still out there was almost twice the price.
@@danimagfernandes I'm almost certain that you're crippling your system by having the Crucial 2x8s installed. Not only are you slowing down the overall, but creating possible mixed matched compatibility issues and very likely giving the 1x16 no choice but to run at worse timings than it's rated for...
It might be worthwhile for you to run a few benchmarks as is, take out the Crucials, run the same benchmarks again, compare your results, and go from there...
@@RAW_Reality , I have those, but I doubt any differences are noticeable for my uses, where multiple programs open is more important than squeezing those FPS in gaming.
My base system's timings before the upgrade were 15-15-15-35, and now they are 16-16-16-39. Latency reduced from 73 to 63ms. Read/write/copy went from 31118/29403/29616 to 37020/40646/36702 MB/s. When I added the new 16GB stick I did manage to overclock and get a stable 2667 Mhz speed, which might be the cause of the better speeds though.
@@danimagfernandes Effectively, what you wrote out adds up to "Before I added in this better stick of RAM, my system was worse".... And yet, you still choose to include the bad... because of "amount of total RAM", in a system you're hindering BY including the worse RAM...?
Excuse the crude analogy, but that's like putting a small rubber band around a condom in the belief that the condom will work better because of the extra "rubber".
I got for my first pc build a 16gb pair of trident z 3200 cl14-14-14-34
In the 20+ years of building I haven't had a memory problem up until last year.
The silly thing was it was the bad lighting software that killed one of the sticks.
RGB lighting on the G.Skill Trident Z first batch and beta software was notorious for stuffing up or not working correctly. Not sure if they fixed the issue later but I got a refund and went with non RGB G Skill memory.
Yeah I got in on the end, that being said the modules are really good. I am running 3333 on my gen one Ryzen 1700 with no problems. My rgb and ram are running really nicely to this day after a year and a half.
@@joshuasterling2144 Planning on building a 4950X(or whatever they call it) end of the year, I'll give the RGB ram another shot on all new parts, Hopefully it works now as I really like the look of their RGB ram modules.
I use 64gb 64gb cl14 ram. I hope to not need to upgrade to ddr5. Will just pluck in a 3090 and zen 3 and I should be set for a while.
DDR5 wont be til Ryzen 5000 on AM5.
@@GraphicallyChallenged Yea, but I am not planning to upgrade to ddr5, if not at all, not till late. Maybe ddr6 or something else will be out by the time I'd want to replace my dd4 64gb ram. As long as my hardware does not just die.
Despite cas latency being so important, it's being explained so little in this video. Like, at least since we're talking about amd, like say, if I go by 3950x or the 3600x, or now that I'm looking at it with the new CPU, the 5000 series. Do 3200mhz cl16 is better than 3600mhz cl18?
I know 3200 CL14 is good and 3600 CL16 is good so 3200 CL 16 probably isn’t good. But right I clicked on this video to see what are ok, good, and great timings for each MHZ speed
@@rambow70 Yeah, after doing more research. 3200 CL 16 or 3600 CL18, it's actually good enough. The loss in performance for a tighter timing isn't that big of a deal after all.
Also, after knowing that dual bank and single bank makes not much of a difference, I stopped caring since apparently as long as it's dual channel with a close to the recommended speed and latency, they'd be enough.
Crucial Ballistix RGB 32GB 3600Mhz OC to 3800Mhz 16-20-16-38 Single Rank
My ram overclocks more with 4 sticks than with 2 sticks. Using trident z rgb.
At 3:50 you state that dual rank (2r) is "better" than single rank (1r) but this is not the case as only 1 side of a 2r dimm set is accessible at a time. 2r is merely a cheaper way to increase capacity at the cost of hindering the performance.
Lets say for example your motherboard has the following specs:
Memory Standard DDR4 1R 3200
1DPC 1R Max speed up to 5333
1DPC 2R Max speed up to 4700
2DPC 1R Max speed up to 4400
2DPC 2R Max speed up to 4000
Maximum Memory Supported 128GB
Channel Supported Dual Channel
If you were trying to achieve the highest performance you would want to look for a pair of 1R DDR4 3200 (32GBx2) high quality sticks that can handle being pushed to 5333 in the bios.
If cheap and maximum capacity is your aim you would want to hunt for a 2R DDR4 3200 (32GBx4) kit.
Habe mir heute 64gb ram mit 3200hrz gekauft. Klar. 32 hätten es auch getan aber bei 55€ für 16gb mit rgb musste ich zuschlagen. Hätte in 3 jahren sicher upgraden müssen und dann könnnte der rampreis wieder hoch sein.
8:08 if i buy 1 stick of ram i dont get dual channel and lost performance. Can you "more" explain this ?
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Dude, we know that within a year, we will break the 16gb barrier, you should not say 16gb of ram is more then enough.
MS FLIGHT SIMULATOR already need more then 16gb to be fully maximized....
Also, the number of stick you use def affect the max oc on ram even more when buying ultra fast rams like 4000mhz cl15. It will be easy to activate xmp profile for 2 sticks but depending of boards, you may need to lower the speed sometimes up to 300mhz in order to make the 4 sticks works
If you use 4 single rank sticks the mobo acts as its dual rank ( from what ive heard)
I think you're confusing dual rank with dual channel, dual rank is referring to the actual layout of components on the stick itself
@@Pallaxis nope when you run 4 single rank sticks that are dual channel you stj get dual channel but you also get the 2nd two sticks acting like there dual rank
@@Pallaxis but his recommendations of 2 dual channel dual rank modules is still the best for overclocking and longevity of the parts with less heat
2x8 3570 MHz 14-14-14-28
16GB crucial 3666mhz 15-17-14-16-34
4x8 3600 16-16
2x8 gskill flare x 3200hz cl14 b die 2x8 16gb xmp .
Corsair vengance lpx 3200 cl 16 oc to 3466 cl16 samsung die
Don’t think u mentioned this but it’s okay to a bad latency stick as long as u can oc it. Like I got my lpx sticks at 3600 MHz with 18-40 but I was able to oc the timings and made it 15-34 saved more money that way
16gb is the minimum for now. There are already some games that need more. Even minecraft with mods can use over 16gb of ram. Afaik RTS games need a lot if you're planning to play on high settings.
Your will need a ton of MC mods to reach the threshold of 16gb of RAM. 16gb is the minimum, but it’s also the most optimal and is the best value.
@@Frosty_V0 Have you ever heard of modpacks like StoneBlock? I can barely move in worlds like that. There are a lot of MC modpacks that won't run smoothly with only 16gb of RAM.
@@Prochaska97 hmm… I play on Bedrock edition, so I’m not familiar with that.
@@Prochaska97 idk man, 16gb or lower is so widespread that a huge chunk wouldn’t be able to use the pack. I doughy they would make all packs that incompatible.
@@Frosty_V0 those modpacks are mostly fan made so they probably don't really care who can run it as long as it works for the creator. The "problem" with StoneBlock is that the whole world is made out of stone and my PC isn't strong enough to handle that shit. I even need multiple tries to even load the world and it takes a minute or two if it worked.
Trident Royal Z (Silver RGB) 32GB
F4-3600C16D-32GTRS
OC'D @ 1.48V
3752MHZ
14 14 14 28 Timings
1866 FCLK
100.5 BCLCK
3900X OC'D 4773MHZ@1.29V ALL CORE
X570 Asus Crosshair Mobo
Seasonic 1250w Gold Psu
Old ass HAF x Case with fitlered positive pressure fan setup.
1080TI@2050MHZ
ALL UNDER WATER
480MM AND 360MM RADS W/D5 PUMP AND RESERVOIR. CPU temps @ 49c under load. Dead silent also
1080ti@2050mhz 35c under load
20c Ambient temp( Basement Man Cave)
CINABENCH R20 SINGLE= 523 AND MULTICORE =7992
Rock Solid and Stable.
3200MHz C16 is 71€
3600MHz C18 is 70€
I don't thing 3200Mhz is the sweetspot anymore.
edit: for 2x8GB corsair LPX.
You also have 3600MHz CAS 18-20-20-40 is slower than 3200GHz CAS 16-18-18-36. by 1 to 1.5 nanoseconds maybe that much time.
@@yumri4 True but with Ryzen the higher IF-speed is probably worth it, also the 3200MHz kit just went down to 63€.
Yeah shitty timings with Ryzen is no problemo, just get 3600mhz ram and you are winning :D
you need around 16GB of RAM for gaming, unless your playing VRChat which you'll need double that xD staying in a public world for more than a hour you fill more than 16GB easy and don't get me started about VRAM in VRChat 0_0
probably nothing remarkable aside from never giving me trouble 4 years ddr4 2666mhz 15-17-17 35 light oc 2933 15-17-17 35 kept stock xmp cl timings
You are always 1.9m.
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16Gb for Star Citizen its like 8gb for other games!
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16 NAKED MEMORY STICKS AT RAM RANCH
IF IT'S LESS THAN 32 GIGS IT'S GOING TO SUCK
"custom" @6:00
Just buy some b-die patriot viper steel 4400 cl19 and set it to 3800mhz cl14 thats all
That's a really good OC
Corsair rgb 32 gb 3200
2 16gb kits?
I play borderlands 3 and im using 15 gb ram.
How did you end up with exactly 15gb?
2:43 all the ram I see, even the best one is worse than that and its already twice as expensive as normal ram.
Most of it is 16-18-18-36 (or well the higher end thats not to expensive).
Eyo
Clearly this is for beginners, and you forget to mention to all the intel users that if they didn't get an unlocked mobo and cpu they will be voiding their warranty with Intel.
the video should be renamed....."how not to handle ram" - Dude how many times do you want to hold the ram by the contacts.
You know it doesn't matter how you hold it right?
good title but no content only general talk 😩🤦♂️