I like the Wife Swap episode of Horrible Histories where they swap an Athenian and Spartan couple. At the end they discuss who is superiour and the Spartans suggest violence but the Athenian man suggests voting. The two Spartans vote for Sparta obviously and he looks at his wife. "I don't get to vote.", she says.
"From the time he could stand, he was baptized in the fire of combat. Taught never to retreat, never to surrender. Taught that death on the battlefield in service to Sparta was the greatest glory he could achieve in his life." -- Dilios
Spartan culture was most unusual in that the family was not the core unit that their society was built around. Xenophon writes that it was encouraged for older men to give their young wives over to young men so they could have the healthiest baby possible. As soon as a child was born into Spartan society they were property of the state.
This video made it occur to me that there hasn't been a biographics on Alcibiades (at least it doesn't seem so). He's an absolutely fascinating figure who changed sides repeatedly during the Peloponnesian War and blended into various societies like a champ.
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There are plenty of other channels out there if it bothers you that much 🤷♂️. I only comment because your tone is a authoritative, considering you don't have viewership to justify it.
@@craigstoner2632 woah hold up dude, was just giving some feedback as he may not have known about the audio...thats it. Not sure why you felt the need to come at me like an ahole. And not sure my viewership has got to do with it...
@@emmamathews7194 Sorry. I'm British, in my culture this isn't rude or aggressive. I neglected to take the skin thickness of differing cultures into account and intended no offence.
How does a 19th Centurt Romantic painting of Roman crucifixion of either Christian or Spartacus revolt prisoners have to do with Sparta. Are you slipping like the Dark (Whatever) video channels?
The reason Spartans were subjected to such rigorous training was that a Helot uprising could happen any time and the ruling class had to be ready for battle at a moment's notice. Marriage suffered the same constraints as theft. Young men were assigned a wife by the state, but officially there were not allowed to live with her until after their training had been completed. In the intervening years, they had to learn how to sneak out of barracks at night to spend time with their wife and be back before they were noticed gone. If they were caught, they would be punished. There was a also class of people among them who failed the harsh training. I can't remember what I learned about them, but obviously they had no citizen rights.
AFAIK Spartans were not especially accomplished when compared to their peers like Athens, it seems they used propaganda to hype their prowess as a way to avoid war. ....I could swear that this channel actually had a video about that Spartan myth...yet here we are.
What is not often mentioned is that the Helos were GREEKs!!! Both from Laconia and Messenia. Sparta was hardly freedom loving, except for themselves. In spite of the fact, that for a time, they were excellent soldiers, they were rarely excellent or even good human beings.
Lacadamonian Buttocks used to be my stripper name. On a serious note change the thumbnail, it shows the one about Roman slaves. I almost passed on today's episode because of it
Be prepared for another beating when you get home. I'm familiar with that on a personal level. They still had corporal punishment at school when I was a kid. Let's just say I didn't always go by the rules, and leave it at that. I only remember corporal punishment being applied in elementary school, not in junior high or high school. That was probably when it was outlawed.
only till the bonus fact did i put a dutch idiom to its historical significance. "op z'n grieks" (d) translates to "the greek way", it is the much used term for anal sex in the netherlands. I assume many european countries have the same idiom
I mean it went from wholesome communal tweens having non sexual lovers to lewd real quick. Cheeks were getting clapped! I bet they had good thighs too since they were so athletic.
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Of course the girls would be trained like the boys. Warrior cultures know what happens to women during war or uprisings; smart ones ensure their women will not be helpless before the enemy.
A noble and proud tradition carried on my Sylvester Stallone in Demolition Man (Officer John Spartan) and Master Chief from HALO. Although probably without the butt sex part...
Personal view here. If treating children and the poor like shit (denying privilege, adequate food, and respect, while beating them like 1930s era Japanese sergeants "instructing" their privates) makes for better warriors . . . Then the Lords Cromwell would still be 1st citizens/kings of England. The present day USA would be two nations: the chattel slavery South and the wage slavery North. And Germany would be a Jewish state. "At 30 the youth would be enfranchised . . .". Unlikely, when the average life expectancy was 32. I think fanboi writers of the times glorified these monsters to sell copy. Life in Sparta was ugly, brutal, and short. There couldn't have been many in the ruling class, if they needed to be 30 years old to earn any privilege.
why is pop culture so focused on these European histories (enough already, weirdly i know more about them than i know about my india), there is a treasure horde of lore in east asia and south east indo pacific asia that's probably gonna be way more enriching and bloody too
Have you got audio, from the time, to prove that? If not, then any pronunciation is purely speculative. Root words have gone through a series of changes before they become a part of a modern language, maybe some of those changes were vocal changes 🤷♂️
It's like the third time this thumbnail has ended up on the wrong video
Drunk posting obviously. 🍸
Yeah, I was so confused
Maybe they were thinking of Spartans after 146 BCE
Definitely confused me
Yeah Spartans were greek
I think someone needs to check that the editor is alive still because This is the wrong thumbnail for the video
I like the Wife Swap episode of Horrible Histories where they swap an Athenian and Spartan couple.
At the end they discuss who is superiour and the Spartans suggest violence but the Athenian man suggests voting. The two Spartans vote for Sparta obviously and he looks at his wife. "I don't get to vote.", she says.
Horrible histories is hilarious 😂 I loved it.
@@Curlygirly84 Not always perfectly accurate but always entertaining.
A lil dp contest is in order.
@@moonshinershonor202 dp?
@@kaltaron1284 😉🤝😎 Double penetration. Spit roast. The devil's three-way. Ladies delight. Nomsayin, the old showstopper.
"From the time he could stand, he was baptized in the fire of combat. Taught never to retreat, never to surrender. Taught that death on the battlefield in service to Sparta was the greatest glory he could achieve in his life." -- Dilios
And my king died, and my brothers died. No poems of war. More Dilios.
Spartan culture was most unusual in that the family was not the core unit that their society was built around. Xenophon writes that it was encouraged for older men to give their young wives over to young men so they could have the healthiest baby possible. As soon as a child was born into Spartan society they were property of the state.
Honestly in that aspect alone it seems to have been the most truly communist nation in history
Ah but Xenophon is a very unreliable source, politically biased. It's almost as bad as Herodotus.
Olive stones and gristle. Asterix at the Olympics.
@Shane Rasmussen almost every ancient source is bias and political
@@firingallcylinders2949 every source is biased and political
Thanks for covering what the girls went through as well though I'd love more detail on that account some day!
This video made it occur to me that there hasn't been a biographics on Alcibiades (at least it doesn't seem so). He's an absolutely fascinating figure who changed sides repeatedly during the Peloponnesian War and blended into various societies like a champ.
Step one: own slave's, you can't train to be a Spartan if your working your own fields.
There's quite some merit to this idea
I need me some slaves.
Better go get some Afro's. Oh wait they don't have any work ethic anymore..
Praise for the extremely rare episode of TIFO without an ad in it! I love not having to skip ads!
Without ads there would be no TIFO.
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@@swampfox984 I think they mean Simon himself promoting a product as part of the presentation.
What's up with the sound mixing on this one?
Great content!!! Love listening to your stuff! Just watch the audio on your s's though. As makes the audio through headphones a little hard to handle.
There are plenty of other channels out there if it bothers you that much 🤷♂️.
I only comment because your tone is a authoritative, considering you don't have viewership to justify it.
@@craigstoner2632 woah hold up dude, was just giving some feedback as he may not have known about the audio...thats it. Not sure why you felt the need to come at me like an ahole. And not sure my viewership has got to do with it...
@@emmamathews7194 Sorry. I'm British, in my culture this isn't rude or aggressive. I neglected to take the skin thickness of differing cultures into account and intended no offence.
@@craigstoner2632 ok champ, thanks. 🖖
Simon is a true green warrior. Look at that lvl of recycling. (Thumbnail)
Aaaannndd the video stops right when it gets most interesting
I think this is last week's thumbnail
FactBoi loves that crucifixion Thumbnail lol
Our high school football team names was the Spartans. We almost always lost our games. 🙄🤭
should have started training when you were seven. And do only that.
Not Cypress Lakes HS? The time I went there we were always losing games, the band got to play a lot.
Reusing Thumbnails, Simon? Big brain!
I have noticed that you haven't uploaded to your Toptenz channel for 2 weeks Simon have you stopped using it or are you taking a break from it
I suppose you're happy now 😊
While our SF soldiers endure Hell Week, these guys endured Hell Decade(s).
😂😂😅
Does the audio sound a bit off?
Also you need to reprimand who ever does your thumbnails for being high while working.
What the hell is up with the sound??? Listen to the echo and the distortion on the “s” sounds.
"Your father was a woman?"
"No no, a Roman."
"STWIKE him, centurion!"
Vewy woughly.
and throw him to the floor
@@RudalPL Oh yes, vewy woughly.
For Sparta!
Missed reference opportunity in the comedy bit about Laconic. :)
How does a 19th Centurt Romantic painting of Roman crucifixion of either Christian or Spartacus revolt prisoners have to do with Sparta. Are you slipping like the Dark (Whatever) video channels?
I want to inform you that I clicked the video now because I didn't have time earlier, but liked the earlier title.
The reason Spartans were subjected to such rigorous training was that a Helot uprising could happen any time and the ruling class had to be ready for battle at a moment's notice.
Marriage suffered the same constraints as theft. Young men were assigned a wife by the state, but officially there were not allowed to live with her until after their training had been completed. In the intervening years, they had to learn how to sneak out of barracks at night to spend time with their wife and be back before they were noticed gone. If they were caught, they would be punished.
There was a also class of people among them who failed the harsh training. I can't remember what I learned about them, but obviously they had no citizen rights.
I learned that those who retreated from combat were known as cowards and had to pay a fee annually to live there. A coward tax.
Wrong thumbnail Factboi. God damn bush league
AFAIK Spartans were not especially accomplished when compared to their peers like Athens, it seems they used propaganda to hype their prowess as a way to avoid war.
....I could swear that this channel actually had a video about that Spartan myth...yet here we are.
You should do a video on Australian Aboriginal Warriors.
is the audio messed up every s is piercing my eardrums
What is not often mentioned is that the Helos were GREEKs!!!
Both from Laconia and Messenia. Sparta was hardly freedom
loving, except for themselves. In spite of the fact, that for a time,
they were excellent soldiers, they were rarely excellent or even good
human beings.
is this the wrong thumbnail for the video?
Sparta: an army with a capitol city.
Brilliant line to end with ROTFLMAO 14:14
Lacadamonian Buttocks used to be my stripper name. On a serious note change the thumbnail, it shows the one about Roman slaves. I almost passed on today's episode because of it
Used to?
THIS IS SPARTA!!!!
"DISSAPPOINTED!"🤣🤣🤣
Be prepared for another beating when you get home. I'm familiar with that on a personal level. They still had corporal punishment at school when I was a kid. Let's just say I didn't always go by the rules, and leave it at that. I only remember corporal punishment being applied in elementary school, not in junior high or high school. That was probably when it was outlawed.
You better be careful around Old Georgos,
I hear he likes to sample that,
yknow, conflict caboose, battlefield bunghole,
Spartan sphincter…. 👉👌
only till the bonus fact did i put a dutch idiom to its historical significance. "op z'n grieks" (d) translates to "the greek way", it is the much used term for anal sex in the netherlands. I assume many european countries have the same idiom
Wylin
I imagine it requires a lot of SPARrin'!
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Come back with your shield, or on it.
Wrong thumbnail
Wonder if ‘lackadaisical’ is from the same source?
He had to cut it at the end cuz he probably started laughing after the last statement. 😆
I mean it went from wholesome communal tweens having non sexual lovers to lewd real quick. Cheeks were getting clapped! I bet they had good thighs too since they were so athletic.
How long did they last? 150 years, 300, 500, ?
700 yrs. 900s BC to 192 BC
Good video, but tricked me with the thumbnail
👍
Someone forgot to filter S's.
6:06 This could be the one of the earliest depictions of human trafficking
Uhmmmm did someone not have their coffee when posting this?😂 slaves or spartans??
If you ever get bored, and wanted to know more about ancient persia , you may also search:
1) Persepolis
2) Xerces the god king
3) Cyrus, the great
4) cyrus the Great and the Founding Fathers of America
5) cyrus cylinder
6) cyrus the Great and Alexander the Great.
7)Persians were the good guys
8) Alexander the Great cyrus book. Cyropedea writteb by Xenophon,
9) Cyrus the great, in bible
10) Cyrus the great in Quran
11) Cyrus the great anoited by god
11) Cyrus the great messiah
Thank you❤ Love and peace for all genders and race... tolerance and generosity and freedom and wealth theae are what evey man need to have a happy joyful life... good deeds good words good thoughts otherwize toungue snip snip ✂️😝😂 hehe 😜
Thanks for the video
May I ask though why the thumbnail depicts Roman slavery rather than anything Greek?
Spartaaaaa
Greek city-states were a thing, so it's a strange statement that "Sparta is not a state"
Sparta was not the name of their City-State.
Maybe it's a linguistic device to highlight how off-brand their city state was?
Super power move: analysis of yourself
Just came from a Casual Criminalist and what the heck is going on with this audio?
Of course the girls would be trained like the boys. Warrior cultures know what happens to women during war or uprisings; smart ones ensure their women will not be helpless before the enemy.
😁👍
A noble and proud tradition carried on my Sylvester Stallone in Demolition Man (Officer John Spartan) and Master Chief from HALO.
Although probably without the butt sex part...
The clubs were frats. Cryptoid was hazing. Of course it was hazing.
how? you didn't have a series of studies and tests to join any army. so this tribe, like any, called themselves warriors with a sword and shield
That's how it ends???
Personal view here.
If treating children and the poor like shit (denying privilege, adequate food, and respect, while beating them like 1930s era Japanese sergeants "instructing" their privates) makes for better warriors . . . Then the Lords Cromwell would still be 1st citizens/kings of England. The present day USA would be two nations: the chattel slavery South and the wage slavery North. And Germany would be a Jewish state.
"At 30 the youth would be enfranchised . . .". Unlikely, when the average life expectancy was 32. I think fanboi writers of the times glorified these monsters to sell copy. Life in Sparta was ugly, brutal, and short. There couldn't have been many in the ruling class, if they needed to be 30 years old to earn any privilege.
that last bonus fact 😜🍑
tail as old as time🎵🎵
So let's talk about how much worse women were treated than their male counterparts.
I still don't know how any Spartan could fight a cybertronian, a wholly mammoth, ninjas and live to tell about it back home
Dwellers around is my new least favourite term
In Shakespearian times wit means penis.
Half a washboard ton of 300 references.
Ok here’s your I was here before the changed Validation check✅ and complementary Chocolate🍫
Huh?
Ancient toxic masculinity.
Its how the West was won.
@@yzfool6639 won what?
@@yzfool6639 also that’s an extremely OVERSIMPLIFIED version of history😐😐😐
BC not BCE, AD not CE! Dont be so offensive!
BS. The "gayness" of the Greeks is often overstated.. they had a punishment for such things. 🤷
third
Something with copulation with minors
The audio quality just made me stop watching.
why is pop culture so focused on these European histories (enough already, weirdly i know more about them than i know about my india), there is a treasure horde of lore in east asia and south east indo pacific asia that's probably gonna be way more enriching and bloody too
Leader X started a rebellion throwing the nation into Civil War, 50 gazillion people died....there's your Asian history haha
@@firingallcylinders2949 that's recent history of mao's re-education
Your knowledge of European history is a byproduct of colonialism
@@stumblingmumbler sure why not
@@stumblingmumbler now why not diversify the pop culture content
Ok show of hands, who actually thinks first about the Halo videogame Spartans rather than the actual historical Spartans? 😅
_MY_ first thought is always Kratos...
Video games have ruined you.
God of War. Definitively thought of God of War instead
I think of Stephen Fry. If you've an interest in ancient Greece, his books are very engaging.
When I think of spartan I think of master chief.
Nerd.
Wow, fresh BS!
I think you needed to be gay in order to be a Spartan
The sounds like total fabrication.
Why does he talk like he um knows a handsome boy real well ??? lol
Do you mean his English accent?
The "H" in Helots is nearly silent. It sounds more like "Elots" when verbalized.
Spoken like a true Helot. But not a Spartan.
Have you got audio, from the time, to prove that? If not, then any pronunciation is purely speculative. Root words have gone through a series of changes before they become a part of a modern language, maybe some of those changes were vocal changes 🤷♂️
Come back with your shield, or on it.