Rebel Moon Part 2 is Also Not Very Good
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- Опубліковано 22 тра 2024
- Zack Snyder's Rebel Moon Part 2: The Scargiver is a monumental achievement, in that it is somehow significantly worse than Part 1. This is the worst piece of media I have ever had the displeasure of analysing. Strap in, because this film is an experience.
00:00 - Noble Lives
06:10 - Return to the Village
21:40 - Kora's Backstory
36:23 - The Grain Montage
40:13 - Noble and Cassius
42:46 - Party Time
50:04 - Training Day
52:36 - The Worst Scene in the Movie
1:12:31 - Anthony Botkins Still Exists
1:16:34 - The Imperium Arrives
1:19:05 - Negotiations
1:25:19 - Battle Commences
1:28:29 - Nemesis Duel
1:30:32 - Low Point
1:35:41 - Kora Commits a War Crime
1:43:07 - The Kali
1:46:58 - A Song of Coal and Morality
1:50:21 - It's Finally Over
1:56:28 - The Grain Question
2:03:11 - Zackisms
2:05:54 - Plot and Pacing
2:09:58 - The Characters
2:25:57 - Conclusion
2:34:13 - Outro
Thank you to HP Lefty for creating the pixel art character.
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I just realized probablly Henry Cavell talked so much about Warhammer at the set of Man of Steel and Justice League that Zack thought "wow, such a great world building, what if i steal it?"
Oh my God. You’re probably right.
that could be it hahaha
lol 😆 that’s feasible. And like didn’t do any further research whatsoever just went with half remembered ramblings of Henry describing some home brew story he played when he was a kid.
Except that this was supposed to be his star wars film that was canceled
"Kora is a child murderer."
Anakin Skywalker: "I fail to see the issue here."
Anakin Skywalker: "Did you see those younglings come right at me?!?!
Kora:"Totally bro, you had to defend yourself."
Democrats: " it wasn't a child it was a choice."
One thing about the parallels between Isa and Jesus is that Isa is the name of Jesus in Islam. He literally named his Jesus character Jesus, but in a different language.
Stelar writing, Zack.
I love how the grain is the villain's main motivation and then halfway through the film they literally say, "forget the grain."
Halfway is beyond generous Zack let’s you get to the final act before he drops that bombshell on you
That's a standard filmmaking technique, when they stop reacting and start going against the grain.
@@Hepheat75 Missed the pun, did we?
I'm proud that I can quote your review of Pt. 1 occasionally to myself from one occasion to another.
"I'm not saying Zack Snyder is bad because he steals from Star Wars and Seven Samurai.
I'm saying Zack Snyder is bad AND he steals from Star Wars and Seven Samurai."
Movie one: The conflict is started by a galactic empire being jelly of GRAIN.
Movie two: The galactic empire is back and its ships are powered by COAL.
What is next? Movie three: The Empire deploys its superweapon made entirely out of WOOD?
Don't mock the phenomenal power of the Timberizer.
Project Yggdrasill: They just drop big trees from orbit in order to bombard settlements
"This world must be destroyed. Deploy the Log Launcher!"
"What type of wood, sir?"
"...Mahogany."
"But sir, mahogany is only to be used on military targets! Those are innocent people down--"
"DO AS I SAY!"
The 4th movie will have killer robots powered by hamster running on wheels.
5th movie, it is revealed that the Kali are captured by singing lullabies until they fall asleep. The coal furnace is so they don't get cold and wake up.
That "Kora didn't actually kill the Princess" thing reminds me so much of Black Widow. The plot trying to absolve Natasha for using a little girl as bait to murder someone, by revealing that she failed. What both Black Widow and Rebel Moon do not seem to understand is that failing to commit the murder, does not mean you weren't willing to commit it.
Sorry for the story in advance. It always reminds me of the time when I was a teenager and tried to explain to my best friend, that he shouldn't be mad at me trying to get f*ck his girlfriend, because I got a limp dick and wasn't able to perform (He rightfully kicked my butt)
Also reminds me of Squid Game. You know, the dynamic between the protagonist (no. 456) and the old guy.
Plus the tweak of Kora and princess to make Kora more sympathetic is so easy that everyone and their grandma could think about it.
Make Kora becoming too fond of the princess after she was assigned to protect her for so long so that once Balisarius told her to help him kill the royal family, she refused to do so and escaped with the princess. Balisarius then framed Kora for killing the king and the queen and kidnapping the princess, which caused Noble to be so hellbent to capture Kora because he was tricked by Balisarius into believing that Kora kidnapped the princess and murdered the king and queen, whom he admired greatly.
See? Problem solved. Kora is now a sympathetic protagonist with her hands completely clean.
Also why absolve Natasha? She was an assassin, indoctrinated from her early life. Having horrible crimes weighing on her is the point of her tragedy.
@@vaiytto be fair, to me the film was much too marvel saturated with various quips and humor that detracted from the point of the black widow film which was clarifying her past and possibly establishing why she has something weighing on her and then the redeeming fact that she did something. The entire point of black widow seemed to change from that goal to creating a female centric marvel movie that brings the new marvel quip standard ignorant of the background of the character presented in earlier films.
@@vaiyt there is a belief that some writers develop (or fail to exorcise) that to be a likeable character they need perfect purity. You see this a lot in fanfics where their chosen character must be absolved of some cannon sin to justify their love.
The universe Zack has created is clearl a hellscale. Any time you sit down at a table with someone they will immediately launch into their backstory and expect you to listen.
But once they're done, you don't have to react to them or console them for reliving the trauma of their greatest failures and the worst days of their lives, you can just immediately move onto the next person.
I have a few words to say about the gifts for the heroes. I practice and teach textile design, woven textiles specifically. There is no way that this towels? wallhangings? could be made by one person in three nights and days. Even assuming that
1. She got the clear idea what to make the moment she saw them
2. Was super inspired and the detailed embroidery and applique designs came together in an hour
3. She had all the fabrics at hand - they are all different and could be scraps but they would all have to be very convenently big enough and similar weight
3. She had all the felt in different olous for applique, all the yarns and threads at hand
4. She is very proficient at hand sewing and knows all the tricks
there is no fluffing way that she could make 6 of these in three days.
I am assuming she would coach the children and write her speach while sewing but it bbaffles me why she would choose to and be allowed to do it when they needed all hands on deck to harwest the precious grain.
The only way these could be delivered on time is if she had them already made, maybe did some tweaks and finishing touches and spun the bullshit story about the whole inspiration 😂
Also, having spent my childhood holidays in a tiny Polish village and participating in wheat harvest with very similar level of technology available ( minus the hoverboard, the horse was pulling a normal cart) there is no way they could come close to harvesting all the wheat we see. Even if they wouldn't carry a handful at the time and skip the threshing and milling...
Thank you for the excellent review, as always!
Excellent point, and thank you so much for the support!
@@randomft you are very welcome! I love that you created this little corner of the internet where details matter x
Excellent points! I used to sew clothing, handsew/detailwork, tat lace, crochet, etc, and you're so right about just having both the appropriate materials and having enough to complete the project.
The insane reality we live in where we slowly get lower and lower on the quality bar to the point where we can hear: "At least Rings of Power did this better" and actually accept it. Whoa.
I miss the times when Star Wars prequels were considered the worst thing ever. Oh how naive we were back then
He also used Madame Web's scene with paramedics as an example for the medics in this movie... ouch!
You know... out of *ALL* the problems with the film, you mentioned one I hadn't even thought of, and it's the *most* simple, obvious one.
If Kora is the bodyguard of the princess, this is a position of great station. She's as close to the royal family as you can be without taking their surname. She has access to capital, comfort, and confidence that is UNPRECEDENTED to most people.
What, precisely, does she have to gain from assisting Belisarius? She is fully aware of the coup. She knows precisely the kind of man Bel is, since he literally killed her family in front of her. She has seen how the princess' family treats her, and she clearly has affections for the princess enough to genuinely want to protect her, and to have remorse for "killing" her.
Why *DOESNT* she tell the royal family about the coup? She has *EVERYTHING* to gain. The fact Bel is willing to betray them despite his years with them is clear enough evidence you can't trust him, and even if it weren't, the fact he's asking her to KILL AN INNOCENT CHILD certainly is. She has, quite literally, ZERO reason to go through with this. She doesnt WANT to do it, and has all the ability and motive in the world to PREVENT it.
All we'd need is a scene where the royal family is like "Ha ha! Silly Kora, Belisarius is a goodmin! He'd never be a badmin! Silly Kora. Now run along you sillybilly, he'd never betray us!" and we could be like "ah well, at least she tried to back out when the power structure could have supported her, if they'd believed her." You could even set it up so Bel *wasnt* there immediately, that he deliberately made sure he had an alibi for the coup, so he could swoop in with the armed forces and "catch" the "assassin". It would make Bel look like a much more cunning person, and Kora like a much more caring person. It could even be a surprise to her, that the plan she was told is not the plan that actually happened, so she just defaulted to her training and trusted Bel's orders, only to find out too late she was set up, it would make sense, if she was operating under the assumption that Bel would storm in, arrest the senators who did the stabbing, and blame the Princess' death on them, since Bel's apparant complaint was in how the way noble's live as far as Kora understands, so, she'd have no reason to think SHE was the fall guy, if Bel himself was not there to implicate himself.
But... no. She just like, tacitly goes along with everything without even once bringing it up to anyone, despite having every reason to. She could have probably been made Lord Captain of the --Custodes-- Royal Guard or some shit, never want for anything in her life, live it happily as the protector of the princess she's come to be fond of, it'd be a dream come true.
But... instead she just shoots a kid because "This ultimate act of betrayal surely means Ill not get betrayed!"
I was so pleased to find out that the second movie in this series came out, not because I was a fan of the first one or even saw it, but because it meant another RFT review that is almost certainly going to be more entertaining than the actual movie.
Edit: Ok whoa, @2:21:39
-Rebel Moon is a Starwars knockoff-
-Rebel Moon is a Seven Samurai knockoff-
-Rebel Moon is a WH40K knockoff-
Rebel moon is a A Bug's Life knockoff
Same. I low-key hope Zack will make more Rebel Moon movies, because it means more content about it xD
It's the main reason I'm excited about these movies. A bad 2 hour movie, no thanks. A 2.5 hour video showing how bad that 2 hour movie was, I'm waiting in line.
Exactly haha I love longman content never seen the starwars sequel trilogy but saw maulers 5 hour breakdown of it
I have Baron Harkonnen (the 1984 version) screaming, "HE WHO CONTROLS THE GRAIN, CONTROLS THE UNIVERSE!" in my head now.
Wats the time stamp for that
@@THEINFINITIVERSESAGA 16:53
They 3rd movie should Rebel Moon 3: War for the Grains
lol
Shouldn't it be War of the Grains as a play on War of the Worlds?
I love how it mentions how the Kali supply limitless power...but then they have to use coal still.
There are few possible options but none make any sense maybe for some utterly bizarre resource the tech needed to keep it in a dream like state requires coal? Option B that they feed the coal to the Kali? Maybe option C is that the Kali only powers the warp drive or something.
None of these make any sense as if A than while you would have to start with coal or other energy source to put the Kali to sleep but once asleep all you would need to do is hook in the Kali's own energy into the tech to keep it asleep. Option B also means that limitless energy is a lie as coal is a limited resource. C is utterly moronic as well... as how did they travel through space to even catch the Kali in the first place if they couldn't reach them?
@@MajorSmurf Not to mention it seems both the dropships and the smuggler's ship from part one also seem to be FTL capable. There is *possibly* two ftl methods but they haven't even really explored the space portal shown in part 1. Neither ship seems to be coal powered either.
Hilariously, it’s probably a very bad idea for an alcoholic to stop drinking a couple days before a major event. Alcohol withdrawal can be incredibly debilitating for several days, and that’s without an evil space empire coming to take your lunch money.
It's the movie alcoholism, come and gone like a shower of rain
Movie addictions: no matter how strong or crippling they are, you just need a stern talking-to by another character (and sometimes not even that), and you can immediately quit cold-turkey, with no side effects or relapses ever
Not just debilitating. If the alcoholism is bad enough, trying to stop cold turkey can literally kill the person.
I'm reminded of RFT's critique of Thorin's Dragon Sickness in the Hobbit movies -when the story (writers) demand sanity/sobriety just give it 5 minutes and BAM! Addiction instantly cured.
"Rebel Moon: The Wound-Contributor" is gold.
How'd you evade the copyright strike? Did you overlay a film grain? I hear putting grain on things is very good at defending them from being struck from orbit.
He used the “divine resonance”
Such a corny joke
@@asaffin1 I'm always in the mood for a good chaff- I mean laugh!
I believe he stopped going against the grain. ;)
@@daisyblossomflowerchild9702 Well then I guess he reaped the rewards!
I went back and checked…
Kora plants the seeds, Nobel turns up, Gunnar says it will takes 9 weeks for the grain be ready, it takes 2 days to ride to Providence.
So taking into account the ride to and from Providence, Part One took roughly 8 weeks and it appears that no-one in the group really spoke to each other.
So we can have (now my fave Random saying) “Let me tell you my backstory” around a table.
It gets worse…
Gunnar’s contact gets grabbed by the bounty hunters in Providence, and doesn’t get presented to Nobel until after the “heroes” have collected all of the side quest NPC squad members. Which means the main antagonists have done nothing to affect the plot for weeks of time.
It's canon within the Rebel Moon universe that slow motion occurs. Everyone is aware that sometimes, when things get exciting, everything slows down. That's why the music in the regicide scene changes but no one mentions it.
I honestly want a movie where this is the case. I can already think of so many ways it can be used both for coolness as well as plot.
@@qq-wy7zs Dredd slowo pretty much
So this is the Dune Part 2 at home my mom was talking about.
Literally. Since it’s only available on Netflix
@@pogo8050You can almost taste the palpable thirst of Zack Snyder wanting to have his own version of Spice Melange, but can’t because he lacks the necessary creativity. Like, he wants to rip it off but also wants to be unique as well. So the end result is just… rice… This is just as good as Dune 2, guys.
@@FriendlySwarmlord maybe he’s worried that if he does another unobtainium people will draw parallels between Rebel Moon and dune? Which would be funny given how shamelessly he graverobs every other franchise on earth.
@@FriendlySwarmlord A Rice Melange, if you will.
The grain thing is so stupid, because it's so easy to fix: just make it some kind of special "lambas grain" where a pound of flour can feed an entire squadron for a month. Maybe the Imperium used to have planets of the stuff, the Rebels destroyed them, people thought it was gone, so they're desperate to get Velt's supply to restart the growing operations and feed everyone again. Bonus point, the grain genetically imprints on whomever plants/harvests it, so the Imperium can't kill the villagers and HAS to capture them so they can plant more crops on Velt and other planets, which gives the villagers a more realistic chance in the final battle.
Just change farmers to miners. Rare element required for hyperspace travel.
Bad guy's ship chased rebels to an uncontrolled sector of the Galaxy and now has no means to continue the chase or get back to the base. Several plot holes solved with one small change.
Wasn't it shown in the end that the general guy was lying about the grain? He knew they were there for Kora and was deflecting blame
Although that makes Kora seem like a massive dickhead as she stays on Velt knowing they're there for her (she shouldn't be stupid enough to believe the imperium has suddenly run out of food) and her alone instead of taking a ship and going as far as possible to save them
Edit- I am so confused, I am about 70% sure the general says at the end that the grain was a red herring(I admit I was checked out by that point) but then the Admiral DOESN'T shoot the village because they apparently DO need the grain, but then says "forget the grain" later.... What?
A decent fix, which still inherently has problems (not ur fault it’s just how flawed this shitshow of a film series is): the empire, no the imperium has been shown as nothing but an absolute dictatorship that conquers everything. So why would they not already have a presence on this farming planet? Take Star Wars rebel for example: lothal is a small planet where everything takes place, which, at least in the beginning, we believe is just a random planet where we meet our heroes. The imperial presence is established because of course, the empire would control every planet. (Later on we discover that the empire is there because of the temple that holds the entrance into the world between worlds, which breaks star wars’ world entirely but that’s a whole separate point because fuck Dave filoni). Anyways, back to rebel moon. If there’s something on this planet that the imperium finds valuable, and knows it is valuable, then they would certainly have a presence there prior to the beginning of the film. To fix this, all that needs to be established is that this planet is very very far away from the imperium’s central power base, and such the imperial presence on this planet is small, which could be where the 12 rapists from part 1 come in. They are the small squad stationed there to keep an eye on things, where the squad is so small because the locals are a small band of farmers that can’t really fight. This would require snyder to not be incredibly blunt and have everyone be rapists. He could give this squad nuance, having them see the kindness of the farmers and their simplistic way of life, and thus when the imperium comes (as per your idea of the other planets being destroyed by the rebels) and the guy who deadpool skewers kills the big bald leader of the farmers (for one reason or another I cba to write all this out), the squad already established on the planet are left to oversee the farmers to ensure that 10 weeks later, the super grain supply will be ready. This squad then have to wrestle with what they have to do. Let the imperium take over, or try to help the farmers, making it so they don’t give up everything until the imperium just kills them all and take over the planet and harvest. They ultimately decide to help the farmers, training them and giving them whatever extra weapons they have, while kora and gooner fuck off to find the rebels to make a big stand against the imperium.
There’s so many ways to fix everything about these movies but because it’s Zack snyder we get this shit. Anyways that’s my rant
The grain is now special puppies that the bad men needs their blood to make their secret sauce.
There are many, MANY ways to fix the key issue of one medieval farm's worth of grain being so essential to a space-faring army, including having Noble just sadistically fucking with people while abandoning some of his belligerent troops at the village as a sort of soft exile for misbehaving, having him just visit the planet to meet someone at the main settlement and he took a small detour to kill some time. The fact that the grain matters at all is just incomprehensibly stupid.
Respectfully, I think you’re underestimating the strength of a five year old in desperate need of a nap who doesn’t want to get in the car.
Preach yo. ♥️
Ah, but is the 5yr old in need of a nap *actually* tired?
Because a 5yr old in need of a nap who is sleepy, but protesting, is a remarkably docile thing, and usually, picking them up and putting them in the car, and promising them macdonalds when you know theyll pass out long before then, is a simple and effective subterfuge.
Now... if the 5yr old NEEDS a nap, but is NOT tired, then may God have mercy on you...
@@nananamamana3591 Rather specific, sound like you're speaking from experience.
@@JPG.01
Yes! This was actually *my* turn in the backstory circle! Where I tell people my backstory about how when I was a child, everything was fine and dandy until one day, the Empire *lied* to me! And betrayed me! Taking advantage of my young, naive, sleepy mind, I was promised Macdonalds, knowing damn well that the Macdonalds was 20min away, and that a sleepy child on a car ride will fall asleep long before then...
I believe a 5y old can be a equally strong opponent. Any other situation its just nonsense
Literally cannot believe the slo-mo grain shots
From the same director who gave us a seseme seed shot from his named cut of Justice League?
This is the third movie he's done with slo-mo grain. I think Zach is trying to tell us something. (that he has cataclysmic ADD)
watch disparus review i peed my panties ^^ ^^ almost ... i mean he make me laugh so hard little peecame out XDXDXD
They're ingrained in your mind.
3 days of farm work fixes alcoholism, Zack being an adult media creator
I'm so glad Rebel Moon exists. It's always nice to have a clown movie that unites everyone by being so uncontestably terrible. Looking forward to the video.
Not everyone, you still have Snyder's fans defending this
@@HateshWarkio I mean, obviously these movies aren't great. It is clear that Zack Snyder can't make a good movie that is less than 180 minutes long. Justice League also sucked ass but was redeemed by the Snyder Cut. Not saying it will happen that way again, we won't know until it comes out, but I am still holding out hope that what we saw are halves of actually decent movies.
And this is why I hope Netflix lets him keep making them until the end of time. They are so much fun to watch, not only for a laughter-filled Friday night with friends, but many times over on UA-cam with Mauler, RFT, LP, Drinker, Disparu, and the rest of the gang.
Not to mention these movies can be used as bad examples in screen writing schools.
Coal sidebar:
I remember a line from Asimov’s Foundation books. The leaders on the tiny high tech monastery planet are talking about their post-imperial dark ages neighbour planets. They say something like “They have forgotten how to run their nuclear power plants and now they’ve reverted to running their civilisation on coal and petroleum, can you believe it!”
This is a great line and I love it, but it does contain one plot hole, when you think about it. This line assumes that fossil fuels are just naturally present in planet crusts, like iron or silicon. But in fact our deposits of these substances are a specific and weird outcome of the ecosystem traits during a limited period of our evolutionary history. Planets that has never had complex ecosystems would not be expected to have vast deposits of fossilised organic matter. (And frankly, a non-Earth planet with a different evolutionary history might not either.)
Sooo… it is actually possible that fossil coal is a rare resource in a space empire. And if they’re powering their space ships with the ghostly remains of elder gods or something, then it wouldn’t have been difficult to make up some BS about why the eldritch necro engines need the dregs of hundred million year old dead life forms. It could have been kinda cool and spooky.
But what did we get instead? Grain.
Thanks for a great video, as usual!
Cheers
"Now this little piece is one I call 'Serenade to Grain'"
- Wolfbag Scarfart, Conductor of the Assassination Orchestra.
Slight correction, he is the *Grainductor of the Goonsassination Orchestra
Lore accuracy.
And, from the same album, the remix: "Forget the Grain!"
Snyder thought "I'll be like George Lucas and make a space fantasy pulling from classic adventure stories from previous decades" but forgot to hire people to rewrite and direct most of it into an interesting story
The main difference is that Lucas reimagined every element he borrowed so that it gave his universe a coherent theme and tone of its own.
Rebel Moon's script meeting probably consisted of several hours of "Wouldn't it be SO COOL if THIS happens?!"
Lmao comparing Snyder to Lucas
@@saltoftheegg are you somehow implying that George Lucas is a better writer than Zach Snyder? The prequels and 45+ original trilogy retcon edits exist to prove how much of a bitch hack Lucas is.
Imagine being this fkn hack, sleeping happy and rich at night, thinking you created smart, deep films, so deep, people don't understand them. Or maybe in the bottom, he does know he is a fkn creativity great value leech, but still sleeps rich at night, because the rest of hollywood are as tarded again as he is.
OK, I've already completely lost it at "Rebel Moon Part 2: The Boo-Boo Dispenser" and it's a delight to know it's only going to get better from here. So grateful for all the work that must go into these clever, witty analyses.
„The SCART cable“ is my favorite 😂
simply because it‘s so close but also so obviously a diss.
My personal favorite is Rebel Moon Part 2: My Brain is Numb
Anyone else love the fact that they chose the wolf for kora as a guardian when like herd dogs or shepherd dogs are almost referred to as protectors FROM wolves who prey on farming communities.
Excellent point. Farmers ESPECIALLY would view wolves as the enemy. You'd expect to see a big ole doggo. But LA knows f all about "flyover country".
Careful, the more I considered this irony, the more I felt my brain wrinkles relax.
@@morganseppy5180 Zach would say wolf cool tho
I'd really hate for this to potentially be Anthony Hopkins's last movie
It would be like Ray Liotta’s last movie being cocaine bear except 10 times worse
I like how they make a big deal about not holding the not-lightsabers because they get hot, but then Kora just wraps the handle in a rag and uses it anyway. If that's all it takes, then maybe the manufacturers should just beef up the insulation on the handle a smidge, and then bing bang bosh design flaw fixed and anyone can use them, no robot arms or special gloves required.
Who thought it would be a good idea to let Zack Snyder cook again 💀
grain >>> flower >>> buns for Hamburglers 🍔
@@sparkypack"I want happy meals" -Zack Snyder, CEO of Movie Burger King
What I've been thinking since Man of Steel
Millions of dudes who feel inferior because they liked BVS but smart people criticized it
@@Darkington hahaha..🍔👑
I roughly outlined the plot of Rebel Moon part 1 to my sister and she declared that it was Zack Snyder's A Bug's Life. Think about it, in A Bug's Life the mean grasshoppers bully the ants into giving up their grain. One ant then travels to the city in order to recruit warrior bugs to fight off the grasshoppers. At one point the main grasshopper declares that it's not about the grain.
All of this happens in Rebel Moon, except A Bug's Life made it clear that Hopper was massively insecure about his chances vs 1000 ants and just bullied them in order to soothe his fragile ego. In Rebel Moon... I have no idea why the bad guys do what they do. Even when they explain it.
TLDR: Rebel Moon = A Bug's Life.
It's Seven Samurai, but your sister isn't wrong, as A Bug's Life was yet another retelling of Seven Samurai.
The TL;DR is more like Rebel Moon 1 & 2 < A Bug's Life
"Sorry Zac, I'll stop being mean"
Will you though?
*Sees time mark on video*
I think we all knew he was lying.
He was being honest! That's different from being mean : )
@@nananamamana3591 Honesty is the meanest form of meanness.
I can think of a movie that does the "Let's sit down and talk about our backstories" scene decently. It's a straight to video superhero film called Planet Hulk. In the scene the group of prisioners on the planet Sakaar kneel over a fallen comrade and perform a ritual that makes them as they "Warbounded". They pay their respects to dead by agreeing as a group to conitnue his mission and to show that they are commited they each reveal details about their pasts. There are three reasosn why that scene worked and this one didn't.
1. It's set up by more than just a line. The Sakaarens are shown before and after this to be a very spiritual people so them having this kind of ritual to respect the dead makes some level of sense. It also makes more sense considering thier position. The group in Rebel Moon are basically hired guns. They all have the capacity to fight and are also free to leave when ever they want to so there's no reason for the characters to think they need to have a bonding experiance. The group in Planet Hulk are Prisioners who are being forced to fight as Gladiators. Some of them don't even have combat experiance but have to fight anyway so it's way more understandable that they as a group feel the need to trust and understand one another.
2. The scene doesn't have every backstory shown on screen. The scene only shows us the backstory of two characters. Hiroem and Korg. The scene cuts before the others tell us about theirs. Instead we learn about the other characters backstories through how the rest of the group (Who now know about it because of the ritual) interact with them or how other characters do.
3. The scene is able to give character beyond just the backstories. Just how the characters react to the ritual itself tells us who they are, it isn't just a dry exposition dump. Meik is a native Sakaaren bug who is desperate to be part of what he calls a "Hive" because he is cowardly and inexperianced. So he despertely wants to finish the ritual not because he believes in it but because it makes him part of the group. Hirioem was once a priest and so is the one leading the ritual showing that despite now being a warrior he still remembers and respects his old teachings. Elloe was closest to the fallen so she is the one to tell Miek to stop talking over the ritual because she wants her friend shown the proper respect. But when she does this she doensn't actually get angry with Miek, she speaks very softly because she is part of the resistance and probably knows the horrors Miek's people have suffered at the hands of the Sakareen government. And finally Korg, the only other alien on the planet beside Hulk himself, is the one to insist on performing the ritual after Hirioem, even stopping another character from doing it before him. At this point in the film Korg has just found out that his brothers have all been killed and he is basically alone on this planet. By insisting like this he is showing that he is now 100% commited to this group. He has nothing else, he will fight and die along side them.
The scene can still feel a bit forced but unlike Rebel Moon they at least put the work in to try and justify it
Planet Hulk is great. As far as comic animated films - DC, Marvel, or others - it's certainly near the top.
Plus, it achieved what 2-parts of 4+ hours of Rebel Moon couldn't in about 90-minutes.
I remember that movie those spikes towards the end freak me the fu k out and still do....My therapist wanted me to thank you....for reminding me.
2 things about the Kali
1. What kind of technology did the imperium have to capture them in the first place, because their inclusion makes them much more powerful than what we've seen and far more powerful than the rebels can hope to defeat (that is if you remove the grain collecting, coal shovelling and other dumb aspects of this story).
2. The period where the imperium encounters and eventually enslaves the Kali could make for an interesting story on its own.
As a South African i appreciate that power grid joke... low blow but ill take it.
I think a better example for a "how about dying with a friend" moment between Hamburglar and Tarek is in the same Lord of the Rings movies, but it's the scene where Gimli and Legolas are standing before the Black Gate and Gimli says "I never thought I'd die fighting side-by-side with an Elf.", to which Legolas replies "What about side-by-side with a friend?" and Gimli responds "Aye, I could do that". And, it's an emotional payoff that has taken almost 3 entire movies to set up. They didn't trust each other when the audience first sees them together during the council meeting. PS-I've been waiting for your review of Rebel Moon ScarMyBrain since I knew after the first movie review, it would be the most entertaining one to watch! Excellent Job! 🧡
I'm going to guess this film was subsidized by the state of Kansas
They're the only ones that would ever care about wheat this much
It's grain. That's the one thing the movie clearly established and you missed it 😂
Kansas has way more than wheat. It has soy beans, corn, and cows as well
Why would Balisarius make Kora the fall gal when doing so would not only throw suspicion on him as he was her benefactor but also cost him a loyal and competent soldier? Why not just plant a bomb on the king's shuttle and blow it up before it gets to the ceremony? Just pin it on terrorists and other malcontents and swear that you will avenge the royal family on them. For that you wouldn't even need to bribe or cajole all those senators to help you and therefore have less loose ends to tie up because all those senators will now hold their hands up and demand compensation and favors for their help and all those people knowing about Balisarius plot means a higher chance of the truth of it getting out even if it's just rumors.
Zack Snyder wanted an Ides of March scene but put very little thought into having it make sense.
This is truly the Zack of all Snyders
My "fan" theory is that in the 3rd movie it's going to be revealed that the blonde girl friends with Anthony Hopkins Jamiroquai Robot is actually the reencarnation of that murdered Chosen One little girl
Either the reincarnation or literally the surviving princess. Both of which are completely stupid because how could she be this old (I'm guessing around 18?) if Kora has only been on the rebel moon for two seasons?
I just think the idea of a man who is still considered an extremely visual, aggressively cinematic director--and rightly so--taking his big multi-year multi-movie project, a big billion dollar new franchise cast off the trash heap from Star Wars and meant as a clear rival to it, somehow deciding that the best, coolest, and most important moments of the story around these entire movies should all be literally told and not shown. Insane. It's incomprehensible to me.
There's more than enough rote, stoically talked about backstory in this movie with some amazing and visually impactful moments to fill both of these movies up to capacity with exclusively top level Zack Snyder moments strung end after end. The fact that a vast, overwhelming majority of these are just talked at one barely-directed cardboard cutout by another is depressing. So much talent in the cast, so much potentially in the universe, so much historically controversial but easily defensible cinematic choices in Zack Snyder's personal history as a director. And all for what?
Zack Snyder 100% heard a line about "beating axes into plowshares" and was like "I bet I could reverse that and it'd be really cool"
except the line he came up with was "we have turned your harvesting tools into weapons" 52:27
which is about as generic as that line could have been
bravo, truly a master writer/director/guy
The mad lad got the video to upload. Now I've got a movie actually worth watching.
I feel like parts of the plot might make sense if they replaced Admiral Noble with a corrupt planetary governor involved in some weird probably illegal tax farming scheme. Hell if the bad guy is tax farming you can get a poor but present parallel with the protagonists honest farming of the land.
It still needs work, but there's a story to tell there.
Yeah like.. just upgrading the villain to a strongerer villain is the first thing you do when you have a sequel. It’s such an easy solution
I want to emphasise the dumbassery of 1:29:20.
Mrs. Hot-Knife is facing a guy with a gun, ruffly 3-4 meters away from her. These are the shots fired in order.
Shot 1: Misses a still standing target. He aims half a meter to the left (her right) so she can block the bolt that would have missed everyone in that room anyways.
Shot 2: Still misses her head, but the guy gets a good-noodle-star for aiming a bit more to the right.
Shot 3: Misses because inbetween shots, he aimed PAST her and now mised her to the right. She also blocks this one. Please keep in mind: STANDING STILL would have dodged every single shot so far.
Shot 4: Again is being aimed more to the left AND AGAIN PAST HER, missing her too.
Shot 5: is the first show that would have hit her and she blocked it.
Shot 6: Hot-Knife dodges that shot and moves in closer. She is now ruffly 1 meter away from him.
Shot 7: Misses her AGAIN by shooting in the same direction.
Shot 8: STILL FIRES AT THE SAME SPOT.
Shot 9: CONTINUES TO FIRE AT THAT SPOT, while she starts to swing.
Shot 10: AGAIN FIRES AT THE SAME SPOT.
In total: This guy managed to fire 10 shots, the first 4 miss a STILL STANDING TARGET, two would have hit her but she blocked one and dodged the other and the remaining 4 are being fired at the empty space because the guy can not grasp the concept of a moving target, despite having missed a target 4 times that was basically standing still.
I never held a gun in my hand. But I am 100% sure I could have aimed it better than he did.
Hell my first shot ever with a crossbow was more accurate than the sum total of his shots.
And this is supposed to be a: TRAINED. SOLDER.
you got one thing a bit wrong.
This is not to be a TRAINED SOLDIER.
This is supposed to be an ELITE trained soldier
Basicly the best of the best.
And given that fact i can 100% see how a village of farmers trained for ruthly 1-2 days, could beat this fighting troup with minimal cassulties.
The one remaining Problem however would be the Question how the Empire did succesfully concured the rest of the Univers.
Shots 1-5: Clearly missed.
Shots 6-9: Missed due to recoil (bad spray control).
Shots 10-11: Very close, but recoil and grain make these reasonable misses.
Shot 12: Likely didn't actually fire because the soldier was already dead.
First i find Mauler, then Platoon, and now Random Film Talk?
Long-form, British UA-camrs with smooth voices has to be my new favorite sub genre! 🤵🙌🐐
You know, the funny thing about trench lines is that they do not stop an enemy that has the ability to land behind them, like... oh, I don't know... an army that uses dropships perhaps...?
Um... the easy fix for scene where she kills the princess is to have her turncoat right there. She realizes that killing the princess is wrong and (being the only one there with a gun) attempts to save the princess instead of shooting her. In the ensuing battle the princess is badly injured and she's forced to leave the girl behind. You still get your big dumb fight, the bad guys can still claim she's a traitor, we've left the fate of the princess somewhat vague (although leaning heavily on the side of dead), and she has a reason to feel guilty since she didn't act sooner and failed to save the princess. As it is we have a character who made a choice that the audience cannot sympathize with. She _IS_ a traitor. She _IS_ a child murderer. She did something she knew was wrong simply because she was ordered to do it.
Another good way to do the scene with the medics would be to have Kora do the same things, but have it showcase how she can be a ruthless soldier who can cold-bloodedly destroy every potential threat to her mission with no consideration about if they deserved it or not. You know, like a "child of war" who was shaped by a ruthless evil dictator into his personal enforcer, who finds old habits hard to shake. You know, "show, don't tell". And then have Gunnar and / or her react appropriately to that shocking display of violence, and point out that those guys were just compassionate medics doing their job.
I like how the word “cut” in the “Snyder Cut” on the foam finger is actually CUT 😂
Brooooo the armour with the blood on it does come back around! That’s how they convince the people rushing to attend to the “injured” soldiers after being remotely brought in. Later on, the medic even says that she can’t find the wounds.
Yep, I remember because it was one of the few times something was set up and paid off in some manner.
It's just strike me: the scene with Cora's ship coming to dreadnought was lifted from Return of the Jedi, when heroes hijacked Imperial transport to infiltrate Endor. Except in SW officer gave them clearance since they have "old, but still active" identification codes.
I can't stop wondering how much grain the village could possibly provide, and how many people could it feed for how long. If the village had some sort of massive (nearly) fully automated harvesting operation going on, with large silos of filled with grain, then showing up and demanding the grain might have made more sense.
That quote of Snyder saying “my characters fit together like puzzle pieces” is so frustrating.
It’s more like welding a robot arm of character onto human actors, if you will
Zack Snyder is the Godrick the Grafted of storytellers
That portal at the beginning is very ... ummm ... suggestive.
Watch this in .25 speed for the authentic experience
(Spoiler for Breaking Bad and El Camino)
The topic is about Kora’s haircut and its implications.
In the beginning of El Camino, Jesse Pinkman, who escaped from the Neo Nazi compound and the police, snuck into the house of his old friends. He’s now a most wanted fugitive of the country thanks to his involvement in Walter White’s meth empire with his most recognizable appearance as a clean-shaven boy with skinhead haircut. Jesse, at the moment, had his head full of hair and a rugged beard (thanks to the months of enslavement and torture by the Neo Nazis) but somehow decided to shave his head anyway despite the protest of one of his friends, Skinny Pete, because Skinny Pete wanted Jesse to keep this appearance since it’s unrecognizable to the police. However, another one of his friends Badger told him to go with it because while keeping this rugged appearance would help Jesse to lay low, Badger understood that Jesse didn’t want to keep his hair and beard which were the reminder of those days of suffering ever again.
Jesse shaving his head symbolized him getting rid of his hellish past and taking back his own agency for the beginning of the new future.
Meanwhile, Kora shaving her head didn’t make any sense because why would she make herself even more recognizable to the empire and why did she choose the haircut that remind herself of this faction she hates? It has no meaningful symbolism what so ever. It just happened because it looks cool.
It's because the "girl cuts her hair" character development trope is the only one Zach knows for girls that doesnt involve sex, death, or both.
It's not just Zach, a lot of modern directors (including women) don't quite know how to show character development, especially in women, so, they resort to tired tropes they don't fully understand, but, that the audience has ingrained into themselves memetically.
@@nananamamana3591 they all want to emulate Mulan without understanding it
How does this vid have 40k views and only 2.3k 👍🏻?? Deserves better. Hail long form.
They really could have done something with the coal idea. Maybe it's super-coal that only forms in specific conditions. That way, if the village doesn't allow the Empire to take it, they can't just nuke it from orbit, and furthermore wouldn't even be able to use guns for fear of setting the coal off.
Just imagine, the villagers moving into the mining tunnels and using the narrow passages to funnel the enemies into only attacking at one spot where their numbers are... shit, that's just 300 again.
Also, if you want a cleanse after all the fun of Scar The Moon Rebel, Black Sails just got added to Netflix and it's just super solid character writing all the way through. And boobs.
A fantastic breakdown, especially your explanation on how to properly reveal a character's backstory. I would absolutely love for you to discuss Shōgun and RRR once your Arcane series is concluded!
yes ^^ i wants arcane !! that so nice ^^ i love it ! i now hate lol not play anymore but series make me have snots yes make me cry cause it good yes i love it
My personal solution to the grain/coal thing is just have your ship gods gain power by offerings of some sort, like gods of antiquity. If the god at the heart of your ship is a god of the harvest, then a crop of grain might make sense to give to it, and would be a pretty interesting way of doing things.
It doesn't completely address the Warhammer ripoff nature of certain things, but at least makes it more of its own. However this will not solve most other problems, such as this movie having been made by Zack Snyder...
Also also, sorry for the spam of comments, but it's absolutely hilarious to claim that having good Netflix stats is any indication of...well, anything. Probably over half of those people just put the movie on in the background while doing something else and then said it was good. I literally had this experience with my former girlfriend. She literally put Rings of Power on in the background while playing League of Legends, and then said that it was a good show. And then we watched it together, without League of Legends to focus on, and she just went...oh. So, yeah, claiming Netflix stats as some kind of a win is a joke.
I'm South African, that power grid line really hit home lol yay we made it to be referenced. Epic breakdown btw
The princess to Kora: “I forgive you.”
Gunnar to Kora: Was totally fine with her murdering a kid.
The plot to Kora: Absolving Kora in the end by reviving the princess with magical bs.
What a cowardly way for the film to prevent the protagonist from dealing with moral implications of what she did, just like Squid Game when it revealed that the old man was the big bad guy all along to absolve the main character from his own actions of elderly abuse. Just like Better Call Saul when it pinned all the blames on Jimmy McGill in the end to absolve Kim Wexler from her actions that caused the death of Howard Hamlin simply because “She dumped Jimmy so she’s a good guy now and totally innocent”.
I'm convinced Zack doesn't understand doing evil because your dad said so makes you a bad person. She legit only realized it was wrong because she was gonna end up taking the fall.
I don't think Kim was absolved from her actions in any way other than legally, she did plenty to flagellate herself over that fiasco out of guilt and Howard's widow didn't just automatically forgive her when she told her the truth. And be fair, Howard dying was a complete coincidence that resulted from him being in the wrong place at the wrong time. He chose to come there of his own volition, and neither him, Kim, or Jimmy had any way of knowing that Lalo would be on his way there on that day at that time. What Kim did to Howard that drove him to come there was wrong, as was her participation in the coverup, but otherwise in my opinion she wasn't really culpable for his death, but she still felt guilty over it anyway.
@@jadenkarpoff9158 What I meant is that it’s fine that she gave Cheryl an opportunity to sue her…until the show ruined it in the finale by having Jimmy taking all the blames for her because they’re too afraid to give Kim some kind of punishment so they threw everything on Jimmy instead. That’s why I said it’s a coward way out.
@@nont18411 Jimmy wanted to take full responsibility largely for her sake. You can argue maybe it’s a bit simpish, and that Kim didn’t give enough in return, but in the end it was Jimmy’s choice because he loved her/cherished her as a friend. And don’t forget the main stuff he was on trial for was his actions during Breaking Bad, which Kim legitimately had nothing to do with.
@@jadenkarpoff9158 I might have to use Random Film Talk word here, but
“Just because Jimmy is worse, doesn’t mean Kim is a good person.”
Jimmy should be punished for what JIMMY did.
Instead what we got is that Jimmy got punished for what Jimmy AND KIM did while Kim got away with her crime Scott free. In fact, she even got to become a lawyer again despite her criminal records (that scene before someone called her on a phone). Howard never get any justice for his death and destruction because his killer was killed for a totally different reason and the mastermind behind it never touched the jail cell because her ex hubby jumped on the sword for her.
Todd Alquist isn’t a psychopath because he shot a kid to death.
Todd Alquist is a psychopath because Breaking Bad wasn’t directed by Zack Snyder.
That's because Zack doesn't understand what makes a hero or a villain.
@@georgekostaras Happens that he believes in Objectivism/Ayn Rand type of shit
@@eduardocardozo9562 based Mr House-Snyder
6:32, "The Hamburgler"
LMAO!!!!
/two hours later I now have a six pack because I can't stop laughing!!
UPD. Assassination scene is one of the stupidest and funniest pieces of media I had ever seen.
"Do it! Do it! Kill her!." What a delivery.
Not only did I legitimately forget who the Hamburglar was when the movie started, but I also completely forgot about Darian BloodAxe and that he died in part one.
The haradram weren't used because as Calvary units, they weren't effective against a seige. THey were brought up to counter the rohan cavalry. A smart use of resources.
The movie doesn't really specify.
@@billjacobs521true, but because LOTR isn’t written by an imbecile, we can be left to speculate on those kind of details. Then draw reasonable conclusions.
@@billjacobs521 doesn't really have to, to be fair.
What good is a giant elephant gonna do against a city wall? and why would you leave them within range of the artillery inside the city if they're not gonna be attacking? Makes sense they'd be in the rear, all things considered
Thank you for watching so we don’t have to. Your sacrifice is appreciated.
It takes a special kind of person to not have problem of having too few people working on your movie, to the point where everything is just going through one person.
It takes a VERY special kind of person to do that purposefully and make yourself the person doing it.
It takes a ZACK SNYDER level of special to think that's the kind of formula that will create a masterpiece...
Casca's backstory reveal is another positive example that technically counts as exposition.
It is really baffeling to me how shows like these actually get any kind of funding. At any rate it leaves us with this beautiful entertainment. Great video as always !
Man that Bernard Hill, ROTK stuff at the one hour thirty mark just hits different now. What a magnificent performance.
The more Zack Snyder movies come out, the more I find myself asking "why did we ever think he was a visionary?"
I've been anxiously waiting for your review since this monstrosity came out. 😁
These 2 movies are everything i hate about snyder as a filmmaker and by extension a person
This review is much better then the actual movie. How is that even possible 😂. I somehow watched a 2 and half hour video about a movie i hated and loved every min. Great job 👏
"...and a man named Gooner"
A redditor?
I desperately want these movies to succed. They were so amazingly bad, that they may have been the most amusing films I've seen this year, and listenting to people nitpick them to death is something I do so much I unironically consider it a hobby. I NEED Zack Snyder to make more.
Extensive and thorough breakdown as usual. I do want to point out one mistake, the bloody soldiers uniforms DO come up later in the film, they're the ones Kora and Gunnar are wearing when the medics take them in, that's why she said to leave them bloody and hence why the medics have a line something like "i'm seeing blood but no wound yet, lets take the uniforms off" right before she guns them all down...however even in this there is a flaw, because the blood on those outfits is days old. It'd be completely dry and on the browner side. Wouldn't look even remotely fresh. The medic's should've noticed that peculiarity immediately and found it suspect.
So many things in this film just fail to make sense, from the weird need for grain, setting up a loyal and well-trained Kara as a scapegoat for the assassination, and the fact that the imperium is just a steampunk empire of warmongering idiots. A warmongering idiots who are oddly rubbish at war.
The Imperium: Defeats and enslaves extra-dimensional energy beings beyond human comprehension and uses them to power galaxy crossing super vessels.
Also the Imperium: Tries and fails to extort a community of pre-modern, archaic peasants because they really, really need wheat.
Anthony Hopkins is now 86 years old and i swear to God, if this turns out to be his last role i wil be absolutely fucking livid.
It’s worse when the idea was stolen from Necrons from Warhammer.
Also, you could edit Tarak out of the film and it makes no difference to any of the major or minor plot points or useful character interactions.
The characters and dialogue in the movie(s) felt like old pen and paper roleplaying from a bunch of teenagers. All the characters are angsty anti heroes with a heart of gold. The players then read the box text about background, history and character flaws to each other around the table.
Mr. Random. In the name of all of us: Thanks for your work and your dedecation to teach us to become better storytellers! May the sun shine upon you, my friend!
I waited the whole time for the title of Rebel Moon Part 2 to be called "Spasmic Boogaloo".
Tinfoil hat moment: Djimon Hounsou was in Gladiator» Gladiator had a slo-mo grain montage (more like, Maximus' Elysium visions. No grain fetishization there lol)» Snyder saw this and thought he could make it more epic (spoiler alert: he fails)» Snyder hires Hounsou so he could telegraph to the audience, "guess where I stole this from? Yes, I don't do 'original content; eff you, critics, deal with it.' "
The guy is delusional. Another M. Night Shyamalan, one who keeps getting projects green lit because people still pay to watch them, and streaming companies are thirsty for content no matter the quality.
One thing I noticed - when Nemesis was fighting the soldiers in the longhouse, when she was being blocked by a soldier, the soldier's blade bounced back, throwing the whole soldier away. When she blocks a soldier's strike, the soldier flew off like she blasted him with a shockwave. She's literally made of stone when she fights, an immovable object.d
54:24 How that scene should have gone...
They all tell their stories...
One of them goes: "And we all know who is responsible for these things that have happened to us!"
and Titus goes: "Kora...!"
which causes her to spit out her mouth of space wine...
and Titus continues: "...tell us YOUR story."
I didn't watch either Rebel Moon but i saw your 2h 40 min reviews. Great content
Not gonna lie, the very last two minutes of this video had me laughing. Rebel Scarchild of the Fire Moon: Part 2 worse than The Marvels? Damn.
I’m sorry you got no joy out of this, Random, but your review was a pleasure to listen to.
To basically sum it: - Massaging temples to reduce migraine, "This movie... I can't... I can't even..."
Sounds about right.
Why is her nickname "scargiver"? Not child killer, princess killer, betrayer, murderer, she gave someone a scar in part 1 but they act like her nick name is about something previous and I saw nothing related to that. Also Rebel Moon part 2 "the grain farmer" is a much better title
I assumed she wanted bloody armour to wear so the medics on the Gaze would believe that she's wounded. Maybe that payoff was forgotten?
One more thing that I noticed. Literally every blast from the Dreadnought makes a mushroom cloud. The problem isn't the mushroom cloud itself, the problem is how it forms. The mushroom clouds form the second the "shell" explodes. And that's not how mushroom clouds work. They take time to form from hot air rising up and colder air being drawn in. Also also, the shot where they blow up Titus' men shows the explosion producing wind instantly. But, that's not how it works xD If an explosion of that size produces wind that reaches the characters basically instantly, it's probably gonna produce a shockwave that's gonna Thanos them away. Not to mention that standing so close to a fireball like that is gonna expose the Titus and Balasarius and the rest to an instant, skin-evaporating heat blast. They'd be cooked to a crisp before the shockwave even has time to hit them.
I know this is going very into nitpick-territory, but, hey, the movie's garbage, so it can't get away with dumb shit for the coolz. Only good movies can get away with dumb shit for coolness.
Look out!
There's a squirrel in the garden!