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Especially if they could get a few of them on a rotor, they’re light enough that the inertia would be much less than a starship, and they don’t have to worry about air resistance.
All space stations are in effect inflatable. A few millimetres of aluminium skin pressurised in the vacuum of space is to all intents and purposes a metal balloon. Using layers of fabric such as Vectron, which is much stronger than aluminium, is actually logical and a better solution in many ways, not least that you can pack a large module into a relatively small delivery vehicle. As to it bursting like a balloon if punctured, that is a fallacy, it just wouldn’t happen with a woven structure.
no they have a rigid structure. you have to understand, the role of the containment, is not only have air, but also to transfer the momentum to the rest of the vehicle. this is why the inflated hab are always design to be at the end of the station and not as a connecting body where it cannot impact the stationkeeping. space station do not just freely float in space, they have to orientate to face the sun or away from it to protect critical component or point the radiator away from the sun, as well as maintain their altitude. try pulling a net around a bunch of balloon and try to balance it, you will have to stuggle, it not that u can't do it, but that mean burning more fuel. the more rigid, the less fuel u have to waste fighting the balancing of the station.
his off the cuff remark at the end that they're more dangerous really didn't seem to be based on anything - I think the creator for a science channel should know better than to make unsubstantiated remarks like that
@@lagrangewei rigid supports within the core section between docking modules. Once pressurized to 250-500mb the rest will become quite rigid in it's own right. we're talking about being in a tire, not a blow up balloon. As to micrometeorite damage, a, some bounce might actually help prevent much of it from occurring in the first place, an engineered viscous liquid seal could be set permanently in the fabric layers. multiple layers with a gas gap layer between would go a long way to deal with thermal issues. Radiation? well we could go the route of "Avenue 5" and fill in just below the outer skin with water and, er, waste. If something is big enough to blow out an inflatable, it will likely do more damage to a rigid hull, with less means to fix it.
Once again you're doing a deeper dive on a topic we have only seen superficial coverage of elsewhere. Thank You ! I've always thought this is a brilliant idea. I never knew about Genesis I and II.
If deployment was a 2 stage process, where it was inflated and then materials like a resin can coat the inside and cure(or between 2 layers/walls, like airtight insulation behind drywall). Smaller payload benfit, but stronger/more rigid final station.
at the time of Bigelow's demise I remember Bigelow not being selected for a contract by Nessa which seemed unfair since the module is good enough to be used and to still be there I suspect the notorious corruption of big aerospace may have been involved Bigelow himself and his company and employees certainly have my sympathies Cheers
Are inflatables really any more dangerous that a metal shelled habitation ? It's not as it the metal skin is 15mm armoured plate steel. Sure inflatables will go 'BANG' and completely rupture, but that takes a lot of internal pressure. I'm sure they can include bleeder valves to avoid over-pressurisation - not rocket science. Yes they can be punctured by micro-meteors, so can metal shells.
Unfortunately a single accident can set back space travel by years if not decades simply due to bad pr so they have to play it safe with stuff like this
Most of these projects just want free money from the government. Other countries penalize companies for not delivering on their projects. They either get sued or go to jail. Singapore gave Ubisoft money for skull and bones which force the company you have to finish the project but America is to corrupt for that.
I'd argue that these inflatable designs are safer than what is currently used with respect to micro meteoroid impacts and even radiation hazards. Many would be surprised at how thin typical spacecraft and even ISS hulls are. Fabrics also can have better armor properties as well as self-sealing abilities built in whereas aluminum or even steel sheets aren't nearly as tough. And in the cold vacuum of space, toughness is more important than hardness.
Unless Bigelow filed new patents there is a decent chance that the patents from NASA are open now. Add in all the free Bigelow employees and the progress ends up being delayed not lost. Other companies are most certainly benefiting from experienced employees.
How long do blimps last? As an example, the Spirit of Goodyear was launched in 2000 and retired in 2014 but perhaps for non-envelope reasons. I can find no longer service record for blimps.
This is a good idea. I've seen vids on inflatable space habs before. I'll bet that balloon hab on the ISS will last as long as the station. Seems to me a good lightweight solution to future habitat in space. So much of a space module's cost is getting it into orbit and perhaps beyond. Light weight, and compact before deployment are both excellent features. Space craft that don't interact with an atmosphere could be at least partially constructed this way. I'm sure the lab nerds have already done puncture repair experiments on the various composite hab walls. These inflatable habs may prove more collision resistant than a ridgid structure, in regards to lower speed collision, such as a resupply mishap. Can a radiation shelter be made out of this stuff. Perhaps some hard structures will always be required. This might be the way. Even if current prototypes don't have the right stuff yet.
The original Von Braun idea was to use an inflatable torus as a structure on which to connect metal plates to complete the station. If he intended to use the inflatable as the station itself, it must have come much later. Watch the Disney movie.
May be should adopt a hybrid solution by making use of strutural element and shell for mataining shape instead of by pressurization, such it will be much safer.
With its multi-layer construction, How big a micrometeorite can Sierra Space’s habitat withstand? How does that compare with other metal vehicles, like the ISS or any of the Apollo spacecraft. I thought those were relatively thin b/c there was no air resistance in space.
The biggest problem of these units is probably that like any other tent they are empty. Rigit habitats are not necessarily heavier, but they can be fully equipped before the start. It only needs a larger payload fairing.
I'm imagining that 'nested' layers of inflatable bladders or envelopes would work well for a Whipple Shield, and I'd like to think a great big translucent inflatable sphere would be great for Ender's Game style flying and gaming
Imagin a future interplanitary ship like star ship that can have an augmented amount of interior volume while in space , and could mean more dedicated area to payload if the living space dosn't have to be a major part of the intirior of starship or any other future crafts. aka INFLATABLE CRAFTS ARE SUPER COOL!
Great videos, though as a viewer from Europe, whenever the imperial system is used, it becomes difficult to understand the scale. Perhaps mention the metric conversion in the video?
I’m curious what you mean by “Los Angeles” blimps? To the best of my knowledge, Goodyear doesn’t house any of their blimps in Los Angeles and I think there is only one in California.
Might be dangerous? I am definitely not a material scientist but some of the tests I have seen, and the accompanying reports that have been published, are quite impressive. At least in space simulating vacuum chambers, micrometeorite/debris strike results on inflatables/soft shell sections have been surprising. They not only hold up better than rigid shell designs, the multi-layer design makes them harder to puncture, and the recent window test broke expectations on strength as well. So far all I have seen are lots of pros and little cons.
How about a nuclear powered space tug and a large rotating ring of inflatable space habitats. Year long cruises out to Jupiter or Saturn would be super sweet.
Can you please put in metric system conversions, love the channel but Its annoying trying to figure out the conversions in my head when trying to picture what your talking about Keep up the good work thanks👍
Hi. Enjoy your content, but could you please include metrics in your videos? I know a couple of countries in the world use imperial, but most of us have no idea what you're talking about when saying feet and inches. Thank you.
I was always under the impression Bigelow had just been done wrong by NASA With this video it makes sense that the CEO decided to move on, esp during the beginning of the flu thing Lots of investing and no return in sight.. time to move on Good on the man for his attempt, still.
These inflatable modules will be perfect lightly buried on the moon & mars to ensure protection from micro meteors and cosmic particles. This is definitely the cheap reliable technology needed for space tourism.
@TheSpaceRaceYT how hard it is to mention the dimensions in metric system along the imperial?? One is fully enjoying your videos until you suddenly mention information that needs one to stop the video (multiple times) and use a calculator or google!! Would you ? please be kind to your international audience? Thanks in advance
I've always like the inflatable idea. But there is always nothing on the life support system that would be required to make this man-rated for how many months/years?
It's a real shame you didn't include Sierra Space's overinflation test information, only a picture of it exploding at extremely high pressure, much higher than a traditional station section could sustain. In addition, there are self-healing membranes embedded to seal micro-puncture breaches. These are not balloons waiting to pop. Showing the video of it blowing up without context and some of your other comments is misleading and sensationalist. The biggest downside to inflatables is the necessity to launch and install interior components separately, another thing not mentioned in your video. This isn't a deal breaker, and may actually end up becoming an advantage, but must be considered.
Its pretty obvious there was never any type of life on Mars - no fossils, not even of plant life. Not only that but any type of ocean would have no tides...😢
Any structure that would support human life in space would be pressurized/, what is really the difference...you would think this would be a good place for NASA to throw big money at
OK. SNC proved that if you overinflate to an absurd value a LIFE module it will blow up. What happens if you inflate to the operational value and shoot holes in it. Does it fall apart or is it stable so you can patch the holes.
Of course it's stable. That's a basic design requirement. If it wasn't they wouldn't even consider further testing. Also, you dont need to actually poke a hole in a complete structure just to find out. And if they did, it really isn't very exciting to watch... That big pop was pretty cool to watch. But they did it to find out the failure pressure so they can calculate safety margins. It's a requirement by the regulatory body (faa?)
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This sounds like the type of structure that could make a trip to Mars less claustrophobic and less psychologicaly harsh.
Especially if they could get a few of them on a rotor, they’re light enough that the inertia would be much less than a starship, and they don’t have to worry about air resistance.
The novelty would where off fast and your turn Omni man faster than you’d expect
Especially if a lengthy stay on a space station are mandatory. Those that goes nuts can just be dropped into a pod and sent back to Earth.
@@withlessAsbestos that would make the trip really great and much more bearable with artificial gravity!
I wonder if you could create a bladder around the inflatable habitat filled with water to soak radiation ?
Damn I was praying that Bigelow really work out! I have been rooting for him from the very beginning!
All space stations are in effect inflatable. A few millimetres of aluminium skin pressurised in the vacuum of space is to all intents and purposes a metal balloon. Using layers of fabric such as Vectron, which is much stronger than aluminium, is actually logical and a better solution in many ways, not least that you can pack a large module into a relatively small delivery vehicle. As to it bursting like a balloon if punctured, that is a fallacy, it just wouldn’t happen with a woven structure.
no they have a rigid structure. you have to understand, the role of the containment, is not only have air, but also to transfer the momentum to the rest of the vehicle. this is why the inflated hab are always design to be at the end of the station and not as a connecting body where it cannot impact the stationkeeping. space station do not just freely float in space, they have to orientate to face the sun or away from it to protect critical component or point the radiator away from the sun, as well as maintain their altitude. try pulling a net around a bunch of balloon and try to balance it, you will have to stuggle, it not that u can't do it, but that mean burning more fuel. the more rigid, the less fuel u have to waste fighting the balancing of the station.
his off the cuff remark at the end that they're more dangerous really didn't seem to be based on anything - I think the creator for a science channel should know better than to make unsubstantiated remarks like that
@@lagrangewei rigid supports within the core section between docking modules. Once pressurized to 250-500mb the rest will become quite rigid in it's own right. we're talking about being in a tire, not a blow up balloon.
As to micrometeorite damage, a, some bounce might actually help prevent much of it from occurring in the first place, an engineered viscous liquid seal could be set permanently in the fabric layers. multiple layers with a gas gap layer between would go a long way to deal with thermal issues.
Radiation? well we could go the route of "Avenue 5" and fill in just below the outer skin with water and, er, waste.
If something is big enough to blow out an inflatable, it will likely do more damage to a rigid hull, with less means to fix it.
No.
Definitely a punch in the gut remark, doesn't make sense to throw that in there at the end @@willaxesawian9242
Once again you're doing a deeper dive on a topic we have only seen superficial coverage of elsewhere.
Thank You !
I've always thought this is a brilliant idea. I never knew about Genesis I and II.
This is a deeper dive. It is pretty superficial. A overview at best.
This was absolutely fascinating! Thank you for such an incredible video.
Wait wait what? We have actually put inflatable modules in space and they are still there?? That is so cool
Ad Astra
If nothing else, Inflatable stations would be a way to QUICKLY get infrastructure up there.
Yes and if that isn't deemed sturdy enough for permanent use it could be a start.
My favourite channel on UA-cam.. No.. I am not biased 😅
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@@TilaxsueCombatdude, wtf
*spiderman pointing at himself meme*
i still find it soooo incredibly inscrutible that your channel doesn't already have 1M+ subscribers…!! great work, as always!
That's really cool. Didn't know about this. thank you.
If deployment was a 2 stage process, where it was inflated and then materials like a resin can coat the inside and cure(or between 2 layers/walls, like airtight insulation behind drywall). Smaller payload benfit, but stronger/more rigid final station.
at the time of Bigelow's demise I remember Bigelow not being selected for a contract by Nessa which seemed unfair since the module is good enough to be used and to still be there I suspect the notorious corruption of big aerospace may have been involved Bigelow himself and his company and employees certainly have my sympathies
Cheers
Are inflatables really any more dangerous that a metal shelled habitation ? It's not as it the metal skin is 15mm armoured plate steel. Sure inflatables will go 'BANG' and completely rupture, but that takes a lot of internal pressure. I'm sure they can include bleeder valves to avoid over-pressurisation - not rocket science. Yes they can be punctured by micro-meteors, so can metal shells.
Could you please add meters as a measurement in the future? Really like the videos but can’t understand the measurements
like the difference between feets and meters?
This. Can just be text on the screen
@@ChristianGonzalez-gv6yg just a rough number for ya, 3m is roughly 10 feets, so, 78 feet is about 23 meters
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Can understand them but why use nonsense murica units when anyone sane and the space industry prefers metric?
Seems so odd to have such a great idea not used much at all.
I expect we'll start to see these more commonly used in the coming years
@@TheSpaceRaceYT I sure hope so!
Unfortunately a single accident can set back space travel by years if not decades simply due to bad pr so they have to play it safe with stuff like this
@@genericasianperson6405 Understood, by there are decades of development on this sort of thing.
Most of these projects just want free money from the government. Other countries penalize companies for not delivering on their projects. They either get sued or go to jail. Singapore gave Ubisoft money for skull and bones which force the company you have to finish the project but America is to corrupt for that.
10:28 wow! Hat's Off 🙏
I'd argue that these inflatable designs are safer than what is currently used with respect to micro meteoroid impacts and even radiation hazards. Many would be surprised at how thin typical spacecraft and even ISS hulls are. Fabrics also can have better armor properties as well as self-sealing abilities built in whereas aluminum or even steel sheets aren't nearly as tough. And in the cold vacuum of space, toughness is more important than hardness.
The moon base grow house has star trek dudes in it, 13:42. Funny little inclusion, you gotta love nerdy engineers.
“It may be dangerous but it’s cool” 😬
Amazing video!!
Thank you!!
Love your videos
Great topics on this channel. Thank you!
Biegelow was so close to getting where they wanted and failed, it's like tripping in the last 10 meters of a race.
Unless Bigelow filed new patents there is a decent chance that the patents from NASA are open now. Add in all the free Bigelow employees and the progress ends up being delayed not lost. Other companies are most certainly benefiting from experienced employees.
another great one. keep it up.
How long do blimps last? As an example, the Spirit of Goodyear was launched in 2000 and retired in 2014 but perhaps for non-envelope reasons. I can find no longer service record for blimps.
This is a good idea. I've seen vids on inflatable space habs before. I'll bet that balloon hab on the ISS will last as long as the station. Seems to me a good lightweight solution to future habitat in space. So much of a space module's cost is getting it into orbit and perhaps beyond. Light weight, and compact before deployment are both excellent features. Space craft that don't interact with an atmosphere could be at least partially constructed this way. I'm sure the lab nerds have already done puncture repair experiments on the various composite hab walls. These inflatable habs may prove more collision resistant than a ridgid structure, in regards to lower speed collision, such as a resupply mishap.
Can a radiation shelter be made out of this stuff. Perhaps some hard structures will always be required.
This might be the way. Even if current prototypes don't have the right stuff yet.
The original Von Braun idea was to use an inflatable torus as a structure on which to connect metal plates to complete the station. If he intended to use the inflatable as the station itself, it must have come much later. Watch the Disney movie.
Which Disney movie would that be?
May be should adopt a hybrid solution by making use of strutural element and shell for mataining shape instead of by pressurization, such it will be much safer.
With its multi-layer construction, How big a micrometeorite can Sierra Space’s habitat withstand? How does that compare with other metal vehicles, like the ISS or any of the Apollo spacecraft. I thought those were relatively thin b/c there was no air resistance in space.
Do this ballons/modulls, work under water...? Becauseif we switchgears, and go underwater reather than deep space....?, is closer....
The biggest problem of these units is probably that like any other tent they are empty.
Rigit habitats are not necessarily heavier, but they can be fully equipped before the start. It only needs a larger payload fairing.
I'm imagining that 'nested' layers of inflatable bladders or envelopes would work well for a Whipple Shield, and I'd like to think a great big translucent inflatable sphere would be great for Ender's Game style flying and gaming
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Fellow space cadet here. Nice work!
Imagin a future interplanitary ship like star ship that can have an augmented amount of interior volume while in space , and could mean more dedicated area to payload if the living space dosn't have to be a major part of the intirior of starship or any other future crafts. aka INFLATABLE CRAFTS ARE SUPER COOL!
Great videos, though as a viewer from Europe, whenever the imperial system is used, it becomes difficult to understand the scale. Perhaps mention the metric conversion in the video?
It's not that fkn difficult..
@@bBersZ Thanks for info.
Much was gained from what was lost is a good line.
I’m curious what you mean by “Los Angeles” blimps? To the best of my knowledge, Goodyear doesn’t house any of their blimps in Los Angeles and I think there is only one in California.
"They are cool, and that's what space exploration is all about."
Brilliant idea.
Better than the pay by tron channels 😊
How much of a delay a ballon could have...?
Might be dangerous? I am definitely not a material scientist but some of the tests I have seen, and the accompanying reports that have been published, are quite impressive. At least in space simulating vacuum chambers, micrometeorite/debris strike results on inflatables/soft shell sections have been surprising. They not only hold up better than rigid shell designs, the multi-layer design makes them harder to puncture, and the recent window test broke expectations on strength as well. So far all I have seen are lots of pros and little cons.
How about a nuclear powered space tug and a large rotating ring of inflatable space habitats. Year long cruises out to Jupiter or Saturn would be super sweet.
Can you please put in metric system conversions, love the channel but Its annoying trying to figure out the conversions in my head when trying to picture what your talking about
Keep up the good work thanks👍
How about you learn imperial? America is leading the way into space.
@@ClassicalvsTacticalThe entire world uses metric. What a joke.
@ClassicalvsTactical you sould watch real engineering's video on why the imperial system is shite its very educational
@@yanis905 Agreed. The metric system is a joke.
Learn Imperial.
“Los Angeles” blimps? Lol their main airport is in fort lauderdale Florida.
Can you please add metric measurements to your graphics/script? Not all of us can speak in freedom units. Thanks.
Are you trying to get/keep subscribers from outside north America? If so, state measurements in both feet and meters. Most of the world uses meters.
There is no way BO and SS are getting a station in orbit by 2027.
Ayo! mister Canada guy, it's just "Goodyear Blimps"
Hi. Enjoy your content, but could you please include metrics in your videos? I know a couple of countries in the world use imperial, but most of us have no idea what you're talking about when saying feet and inches. Thank you.
If it rotates it could be good, and if there is water in the outershell to stop radiation.
I love your channel
Inflated cars, homes, you name it. New materials make just about anything possible.
I was always under the impression Bigelow had just been done wrong by NASA
With this video it makes sense that the CEO decided to move on, esp during the beginning of the flu thing
Lots of investing and no return in sight.. time to move on
Good on the man for his attempt, still.
A velcro-like system could prevent deflation in the event of puncture.
Please use the metric System!
no matter how much you test it...that things gonna pop...hell to the no.
These inflatable modules will be perfect lightly buried on the moon & mars to ensure protection from micro meteors and cosmic particles. This is definitely the cheap reliable technology needed for space tourism.
go metric or burst
Other planets are for suckers it’s hard enough getting off this rock. Give me a few hundred bubbles in space and turn it into a space civilization.
I guess COVID stuck a pin in this project, huh?
It could start as an inflatable and end up as a solid structure later.
Space will always be dangerous. No matter the habitat. That is why training and redundant systems will be needed.
i thought Orbital Reef is dead as BlueOrigin droped it
Can you make a video about how much donation every one gets from governments compared to private sector eg. Space X
Nice idea. But space is not empty. International space station astronauts report small clicks sound from debris particles colliding with the station
@TheSpaceRaceYT how hard it is to mention the dimensions in metric system along the imperial?? One is fully enjoying your videos until you suddenly mention information that needs one to stop the video (multiple times) and use a calculator or google!! Would you ? please be kind to your international audience? Thanks in advance
With so much space junk around earth I would feel naked on one of those
If Mars dust is sharp, inflatable may burst
I've always like the inflatable idea. But there is always nothing on the life support system that would be required to make this man-rated for how many months/years?
Please use meters! Only the US uses feet and inches. 😑
My worry - radiation exposure.
It's a real shame you didn't include Sierra Space's overinflation test information, only a picture of it exploding at extremely high pressure, much higher than a traditional station section could sustain. In addition, there are self-healing membranes embedded to seal micro-puncture breaches.
These are not balloons waiting to pop. Showing the video of it blowing up without context and some of your other comments is misleading and sensationalist.
The biggest downside to inflatables is the necessity to launch and install interior components separately, another thing not mentioned in your video. This isn't a deal breaker, and may actually end up becoming an advantage, but must be considered.
Good
Space exploration is all about “being really cool”? Oh my.
Life inside LIFE.
Hasn't there been enough inflation?
The bubble of Damocles.
a Million $'s a night, that's the people who bought 1200$ VCR's and 700$ diskmans just to be the First.
Yeah, one tiny weeny micro asteroid or human space junk fly right through, best take a roll of Gaffer tape with you.... lol
what will it be like inside a Deflatable Space Station?
Its pretty obvious there was never any type of life on Mars - no fossils, not even of plant life. Not only that but any type of ocean would have no tides...😢
Why would their be no tides? Mars has the moon and sun.
@@catprog Mars doesn't have a large enough moon 🌕
Any structure that would support human life in space would be pressurized/, what is really the difference...you would think this would be a good place for NASA to throw big money at
They always show the inflatable habitats with hardly any windows!😢
NASA didn’t REALLY want to work with Bigalow.
think this is very bad idea bcos small meteorite will come really fast like whistle of bullet puncture through it
Yo bad NASA didn't support Bigelow earlier.
They might have their heart set on Mars but find something else better maybe
Gotta get out there and look around first
Is it safe, Laurence? ..!.
some one is nerfing human research....its starts to be obvius
Elon and SpaceX are the only ones serious about space.
Wernherr ❤️
If space debris can poke holes in Russian spacecraft wouldn't an inflatable space station pop like a balloon?
Space balloon? Why just send it up as a balloon like they do satellites and Zeppelins
OK. SNC proved that if you overinflate to an absurd value a LIFE module it will blow up. What happens if you inflate to the operational value and shoot holes in it. Does it fall apart or is it stable so you can patch the holes.
Of course it's stable. That's a basic design requirement. If it wasn't they wouldn't even consider further testing. Also, you dont need to actually poke a hole in a complete structure just to find out. And if they did, it really isn't very exciting to watch... That big pop was pretty cool to watch. But they did it to find out the failure pressure so they can calculate safety margins. It's a requirement by the regulatory body (faa?)
@@jimgoplayoutsideable I'm guessing that it is a nasa requirement.
At last you won't know if you get hit by space junk