@@eldarhighelfhealermiriella7653 well in the boshin, the shogun loyalists believe they were fighting for the Emperor and his interests. So seeing the Emperor's banner being carried by the Satcho alliances, means you're fighting against the Emperor, making the shogun loyalists traitors. The Emperor plays a huge role in Japanese Culture.
@@Romellenios_Lanz_Daemos yeah as the person that considered as god, rebeling against god isn't a good thing lol But I read somewhere that in real life, when the banner arrive in the battlefield no one actually recognize what banner is it so they had to send an envoy to the enemy just for explaining the banner mean
The battle at Toba-Fushimi was not big one, but, it's political meaning was most critical one at the Meiji restoration revolution. The flag of Nishiki (Emperor's flag) was suddenly stood at the insurgent troop side.
Understandable, Why should Emperor stand by loser's side and become another loser? After all he is not losers' dad and even the emperor is replaceable if is not wise enough.
WithAStick AngryWhiteMan no. As soon as they flew the emperors banner, the shogunate forces knew that they would lose, as firing or attacking those holding the banner were deemed a traitor to the emperor. So without it, the Imperial forces would’ve lost
@@lobakputih202 as far as I know the shogun didn't hate the emperor, he even believe that he was fighting for the emperor interest until this battle happening
More organized. The troops of the shogunate had way more modern troops and ships. At the same time as the battle of Toba-Fushimi, the Battle of Awa took place. It was the first modern sea battle of Japan and a victory for the shogunate. The shogun loyalists from the Nagaoka Domain were the first to have gatling guns in Japan and the Aizu and Shonin tried to arm their troops with german weapons. The thing was, the shogunate failed in organising their troops in a good manner. 60% of their modern weapons were stored and not handed out to their troops. Their regiments were not uniformly armed. Men with pikes or bows stood next to men with french minie guns. And while the bow would have been a very good weapon during that war, a few bows among a gunners and lots of pikemen are no match against good organized line infantry. The archers alone in a big unit would be dangerous. But among the gunners they disrupt the entire order. About pikemen in modern gun warfare is not much to be said. It's stupid. Than there were the massive errors of the command chain and the communication of the shogunate army. And last but not least, clans like Tsu and Yodo changed sides during the battle out of fear that the satchodo could storm Yodo Castle after defeating Aizu and Kuwana at Fushimi.
The curse of Hideyoshi... The rebels were of the Mori and Shimazu clan that vowed vengeance for hundreds of years for their lord Hideyoshi against the Tokugawa clan.
True, its both political & vengence from the western clans against their oldest enemies (Tokugawa Shogunate). That which they have been felt humiliated & betrayed since the Battle of Sekigahara. After 250 years later, the western clan got their revenge & they gave the Shogunate the taste of their own humiliation.
yeah, its believed that almost western clan that sided with mitsunari in sekigahara born such anger and grudge through generations, if you notice more.... tosa domain (chosokabe clan), chosu domain (mori clan) and satsuma domain (shimazu clan) played crucial position in boshin war to overthrow the tokugawa shogunate... first one to move was tosa and chosu, then satsuma joined... notice more that these three clans also sided with ishida mitsunari in sekigahara, and sided with toyotomi hideyori in siege of osaka (chosokabe clan only)...
@@kaisermuto i read somewhere every senior retainer in chosu domain will ask their daimyo if it's time to overthrow the shogunate, but their daimyo will say "no they're still strong". So chosu domain still seek revenge to shogunate after sekigahara until boshin war
@@fzie8634 Eventually, allied Choshu and Satsuma stopped to attack Edo(Tokyo)city. Because Yoshinobu Tokugawa surrendered already. General commander of allied power, Saigo,Takamori negotiated with Katsu Kaishu who is general commander of Tokugawa navy. Both men were acquaintance each. In meiji restortion human relations were so complicated and wide. Even a enemy, there may exist his friend or chiledhood friend. 17 years after, general Saigo made an armed uprising in Kyushu against new government. At last Saigo suicided for responsibility. At the time new government force consisted with manyTokugawa's samurai too. This situation might could not be comprehend by foreigner. Katsu,Kaishu became a bureau crat of new government.
The march at 3:00 is widely known as 戊辰行進曲(ぼしんこうしんきょく Boshin-koshin kyoku, "Boshin-march") today. Yet, the exact name of the song was not recorded like many other Western-style Japanese marches at the era. These songs were basically improvisational and spread thru oral instruction.
True, not only that, they feared that if they're against the emperor, it will be considered as an act of treason. But now in this battle, the Shogunate became the enemy of the state & traitors to the new modernised imperial government. They paid the price.
@@btd6enthusiast106 Mori is an old name. 2 centuries later they became the Choshu Domain after the Battle of Sekigahara. The Tokugawa Shogunate relocated the clan to the Nagato province near Aki (Mori ancestral home) its at the edge of the Honshu island. The Choshu were descendants of the Mori Clan & while the Satsuman Domain were descendants of Shimazu Clan. These 2 domains on the other is not about the restoration of the Imperial government but revenge as well for their humiliation in the past. So taste of their own humiliation to the Shogunate.
Weapons during the boshin war were highly technological that it ended so quickly thanks to advance industrialization. It is probably a great example of modernizing the country. However, cultural practices and customs still remains by adopting from the previous indoctrination and ethical standards.
How excited and happy the soldiers of New Government feeled, how mess, sad and shocked the soldiers of Old Shogunate feeled, when the Emperor's flags appeared.
Shogunate Charge at 0:46, While the Imperialist Charge at 2:14 with the Shogunate Charge at 2:18 in the Battle of Toba-Fushimi and that reminds that Game is Total War: Shogun 2 Expansion The Fall of The Samurai. Damn that gonna be Great Warfare.
The emperor's banner, no clan no lord can be against the emblem in Japan. The government which got emperor, it is authorized recognized government officially.
Take that tokugawa! that's fit for your betrayal against toyotomi and their audacity to found their own shogunate... The grudge of Ishida Mitsunari and Otani Yoshitsugu in sekigahara also had been released.
It's samurai bs, especially for gameplay purposes. In real life, you don't fight massed spear formations with mere swords, EVER, and if you were to charge an entrenched position, you may as well do it with spears.
I believe they were using a combination of outdated french breech loaders and muzzle loading rifles hence why the imperialist were out gunning them for they were using modernized prussian bolt loaders giving them higher accuracy, range,as well as a staggering higher rate of fire
@@michaelwilliams7292 That's completely wrong. Chosu and Satsuma (imperialist) forces were all armed with muzzle-loading minié-type rifles, Satsuma domain also still had traditional elements mixed into their forces (both melee as well as the outdated tanegashima matchlocks). Later in the war they also got their hands on the snider enfield but those weren't universally used by everyone. They never used any German rifles in large numbers. The Tokugawa shogun started the war with both breech-loaders (dreyse needle gun and chassepot) and muzzle-loaders (like the 1853 Enfield) as well as some traditional equipment. His vassals used much more traditional equipment but some (like the Aizu) also had well-trained modern units.
Was searching for Toba Fushimi Shogun 2 Fall of the Samurai Walkthrough might as well watch this :) Didnt see The Aizu Clan get involved in this in the game
ちょっと失礼します！軍服と装備品なら「fcsutler」とか「civil war sutler」って調べると軍服から各種装備品まで売ってますよ！日本で戊辰戦争の軍服販売してるところは一社位しか見たことないですし、最近営業してるのか怪しいので買うなら上に書いたアメリカのお店で買うかebayで「civil war uniform」って検索して買うしかないです。なんでアメリカかっていうとあっちは南北戦争のパレードが盛んに行われてて軍服とかが普通に売ってるんですよね。それと戊辰戦争で使われた装備品は南北戦争の中古品がほとんどなので「戊辰戦争の服＝南北戦争の服」なんですよね。私はebayで買うのをオススメします。ただ陣笠とかは日本で作ってるとこが全然無いのでどうしようもないです。個人的にはバックパックを装備してた幕府陸軍の軍服のほうがサバゲーに合いそう？なのであわせて見てみると良いかなと思います。あと価格は結構安いですよ！ 長文失礼しました！
Most shogunate vassal troops used Gewehr smoothbore guns which were inferior guns to the Minie rifle. Orders were placed for 40,000 state-of-the-art French Chassepot rifles in 1867 but only a fraction reached Edo by the end of the year, one month before the battle. It is most likely that the Imperial forces had better equipment.
@@0MVR_0 Where did you get the idea that the Dreyse Needle gun is inferior to Minié rifles? Minié rifles might have been accurate and all but they were still muzzle-loaders that look at least 20 seconds to reload, at best. The Dreyse was a breech-loader that would could fire much faster In fact Prussia beat Austria in 1866 by using the Dreyses against Austria's minié-style rifles, there's a reason why France switched to the Chassepot soon after.
@@asuka7309 Japan just before the Meiji was different to Europe during the same era. Quantity of presented ammunition to the enemy is of much lesser significance than the rate of spent munition with effect. This is particularly pronunced on a battlefield where skirmish capability was usually indecisive. Most of the battles ended due to the Shogunate forces routing rather than taking sustained sustained combat loses of which many would be at hand-to-hand.
@@0MVR_0 your arguement still doesn't make any sense because the battles of the boshin war weren't fought in a style or at a range where the minie's accuracy would make a difference for the regular soldier. Just look at the battle of Toba fushima as an example. At Toba the shogunate forces had their headquarters set up in a shrine not even 500 meters from the bridge that the Imperial satsuma forces had fortified, the actual battlefield is little more than a small park today, the entire battle took place well within the accurate firing range of the needle gun. The same goes for fushima, where they just had to shoot across a river. This is not the kind of warfare the minie was developed or advantageous for, there's a reason why the imperialst also switched to breech loaders later in the war
UHm, were those breech loading rifles...with ramrods...? I didn't understand their loading mechanism. I slowed it down..and it looked like they pulled back the hammer...loaded...something that did not look like a percussion cap...into the breech...then were starting to take our the ramrod..
Both armies used a collection of both breech-loading guns and muzzle-loading muskets and there was basically no standardisation. It's confusing because there are a lot of cuts
The one you see using breechload is Snider-Enfield used by Choshu troops, Satsuma gnome army use Pattern-Enfield m1853 while Shogunate army use Tanegashima(for samurais) Chassepot and mainly use Gewehr m1842
Imagine you wake up after losing consciousness and realize the Emperor that you think you've fighting for has stood with your enemy.
You just surrender?
@@eldarhighelfhealermiriella7653 well in the boshin, the shogun loyalists believe they were fighting for the Emperor and his interests.
So seeing the Emperor's banner being carried by the Satcho alliances, means you're fighting against the Emperor, making the shogun loyalists traitors.
The Emperor plays a huge role in Japanese Culture.
@@Romellenios_Lanz_Daemos yeah as the person that considered as god, rebeling against god isn't a good thing lol
But I read somewhere that in real life, when the banner arrive in the battlefield no one actually recognize what banner is it so they had to send an envoy to the enemy just for explaining the banner mean
@@EukalyptusBonBon true.
@@EukalyptusBonBon Just think what would the messenger feel like when he saw that flag
Staff: how many cuts we need in these scenes?
Director: YES
That "Oh Shit!" look on the faces of the Shogunate forces when they see the Emperors Banners.
The battle at Toba-Fushimi was not big one, but, it's political meaning was most critical one at the Meiji restoration revolution. The flag of Nishiki (Emperor's flag) was suddenly stood at the insurgent troop side.
Understandable, Why should Emperor stand by loser's side and become another loser? After all he is not losers' dad and even the emperor is replaceable if is not wise enough.
WithAStick AngryWhiteMan no. As soon as they flew the emperors banner, the shogunate forces knew that they would lose, as firing or attacking those holding the banner were deemed a traitor to the emperor. So without it, the Imperial forces would’ve lost
The battle that marked the rise of Imperial power and the fall of the shogunate regime
Why shogun tokugawa hates Meiji?
@@lobakputih202 as far as I know the shogun didn't hate the emperor, he even believe that he was fighting for the emperor interest until this battle happening
Always found it fascinating that the Imperial faction was more modernized than the Shogunate considering they rebelled to throw out western influence.
More organized. The troops of the shogunate had way more modern troops and ships. At the same time as the battle of Toba-Fushimi, the Battle of Awa took place. It was the first modern sea battle of Japan and a victory for the shogunate.
The shogun loyalists from the Nagaoka Domain were the first to have gatling guns in Japan and the Aizu and Shonin tried to arm their troops with german weapons.
The thing was, the shogunate failed in organising their troops in a good manner. 60% of their modern weapons were stored and not handed out to their troops. Their regiments were not uniformly armed. Men with pikes or bows stood next to men with french minie guns.
And while the bow would have been a very good weapon during that war, a few bows among a gunners and lots of pikemen are no match against good organized line infantry. The archers alone in a big unit would be dangerous. But among the gunners they disrupt the entire order.
About pikemen in modern gun warfare is not much to be said. It's stupid.
Than there were the massive errors of the command chain and the communication of the shogunate army.
And last but not least, clans like Tsu and Yodo changed sides during the battle out of fear that the satchodo could storm Yodo Castle after defeating Aizu and Kuwana at Fushimi.
@@jarlnils435 Sad
The curse of Hideyoshi... The rebels were of the Mori and Shimazu clan that vowed vengeance for hundreds of years for their lord Hideyoshi against the Tokugawa clan.
True, its both political & vengence from the western clans against their oldest enemies (Tokugawa Shogunate). That which they have been felt humiliated & betrayed since the Battle of Sekigahara. After 250 years later, the western clan got their revenge & they gave the Shogunate the taste of their own humiliation.
yeah, its believed that almost western clan that sided with mitsunari in sekigahara born such anger and grudge through generations, if you notice more.... tosa domain (chosokabe clan), chosu domain (mori clan) and satsuma domain (shimazu clan) played crucial position in boshin war to overthrow the tokugawa shogunate...
first one to move was tosa and chosu, then satsuma joined... notice more that these three clans also sided with ishida mitsunari in sekigahara, and sided with toyotomi hideyori in siege of osaka (chosokabe clan only)...
Those were in 1530s. This video means 1868 at the time of Meiji restoration.
@@kaisermuto i read somewhere every senior retainer in chosu domain will ask their daimyo if it's time to overthrow the shogunate, but their daimyo will say "no they're still strong". So chosu domain still seek revenge to shogunate after sekigahara until boshin war
@@fzie8634
Eventually, allied Choshu and Satsuma stopped to attack Edo(Tokyo)city.
Because Yoshinobu Tokugawa surrendered already. General commander of allied power, Saigo,Takamori negotiated with Katsu Kaishu who is general commander of Tokugawa navy. Both men were acquaintance each. In meiji restortion human relations were so complicated and wide.
Even a enemy, there may exist his friend or chiledhood friend.
17 years after, general Saigo made an armed uprising in Kyushu against new government. At last Saigo suicided for responsibility. At the time new government force consisted with manyTokugawa's samurai too. This situation might could not be comprehend by foreigner.
Katsu,Kaishu became a bureau crat of new government.
松重豊さん、この「白虎隊」では、山本覚馬だけど、「八重の桜」では、お父さんの山本権八を演じてみえましたね。
山本八重子（新島八重）が中越典子だったっけ。
The march at 3:00 is widely known as 戊辰行進曲(ぼしんこうしんきょく Boshin-koshin kyoku, "Boshin-march") today. Yet, the exact name of the song was not recorded like many other Western-style Japanese marches at the era. These songs were basically improvisational and spread thru oral instruction.
Micchan miyasan
Thx i been lookin for that
Is there a video of this specific version?
@@matthewpham9525 no
@@matthewpham9525 wait yes
When the imperial banner appears at the “Rebel” side the Tokugawa knows they done goofed
True, not only that, they feared that if they're against the emperor, it will be considered as an act of treason. But now in this battle, the Shogunate became the enemy of the state & traitors to the new modernised imperial government. They paid the price.
yet they still deny that they arent rebels oh the irony
Bruh the black clothes
Is the mori clan
I mean the mori clan have red flag
Just like communist
And kinda red clothes
@@btd6enthusiast106 Mori is an old name. 2 centuries later they became the Choshu Domain after the Battle of Sekigahara. The Tokugawa Shogunate relocated the clan to the Nagato province near Aki (Mori ancestral home) its at the edge of the Honshu island. The Choshu were descendants of the Mori Clan & while the Satsuman Domain were descendants of Shimazu Clan. These 2 domains on the other is not about the restoration of the Imperial government but revenge as well for their humiliation in the past. So taste of their own humiliation to the Shogunate.
@@donpula6349 long live the western army! after sekigahara, western daimyos were humiliated so bad, many lost their domains
2:06新政府軍の方はこの頃から突撃ラッパが有ったのか…と思ったらこれ当時のイギリス陸軍から伝授されたラッパ譜らしい。
戦時の曲と違いますね(￣▽￣;)
@@ke2642 ですね。
当時の英国陸軍を知っていますが… このラッパは、聞いたことがないです。
@@kaiun8061 お前何歳だよw
なんかこのラッパの音聞くとスイッチが入るな。
やっぱ伏せたまま撃てる元込め式は偉大だなぁ
「突撃時に（今の機動隊の盾のような)眼だけ開いた防弾版を前にかざして進めば（この時代の銃は威力が弱いので）簡単に銃弾をはねかえせる」と考えた賢い発明好きな兵士も中にはいただろうな。盾は切り込んでから捨ててあとは刀で存分に戦えばいいと。
でも日本人は合理性よりもスタイルを重んじる民族。たとえ命がかかってても。
映像だとこれだけ激しい戦いだけど、死傷者は幕府側280、薩長110人だそうです。
実際はもっと小規模な感じだったんでしょうね。
そんなに数変わらんやろうけど、戊辰役戦史では従者とか身分でカウントされてない人結構いたて書いてあった。特に幕府側で
この動画のように幕府軍が死傷者大量の惨敗を喫したかと言われると、そういうわけではなくて、
実際の両軍の歩兵装備にさほど差があったわけではない。
幕府陸軍だけでなく、桑名藩兵や会津藩兵も相応の近代装備で武装し、両軍ともに戦列歩兵を組んで射撃戦をしているような様子の絵や記録がたくさんある。
幕府軍は数では三倍を誇っていたが、総督松平正質、竹中重固らの戦術指揮の不味さ、津藩兵や淀藩の寝返り、総大将の逃亡、錦の御旗を前に士気がただ下がりになったり、それぞれが重なってどんどん敗走することになった。
個々の戦闘を見れば、幕府軍側が盛り返している戦闘もあり、
鳥羽伏見の戦いは幕府側の指揮官級の戦闘意欲の低さや他藩兵離反等の戦略の見通しの甘さ、京都に奇襲を許す等不測の事態へ対応しきれない防衛計画の不味さによるものであり、「装備の差」のみで敗北したわけでもなく、幕府陸軍に代表されるように特に練兵の差があったわけでもない。
spead0225
それは幕府直轄軍と会津や桑名とかの主力藩だけで、ほとんどの幕府側の諸藩は雑魚
爆陸一切出てませんよねw
まぁ新政府軍も薩長以外は雑魚ぽいし、結局やる気の違いだろうね。
蛤御門の戦いと同じ構図。長州は自藩の罪の回復を願う嘆願書を朝廷に奉ろうとした。実際に長州に同情し寛大な措置を要望する他藩士や公卿もいたのである。
慶喜も小御所会議の領地返納をはじめ、ほぼ撤回させる政治力を発揮していた。そこに、江戸の薩摩藩の乱暴狼藉が行われたが、激高した会津桑名他を押さえるとともに、寧ろ旧幕府の排除の好機とみて、薩摩による江戸・長崎・野州・相州処々乱妨、却盗の非を問う「討薩表」を発し、会津・桑名藩兵や新選組ら諸隊も加えた約1万5千の幕府軍が京都に向けて進軍をしたが、慶喜は天皇のいる京都近郊での戦争を嫌い、決して戦端を開かないよう命じた。これが甘かった。長州の蛤御門と同じく、鳥羽伏見は幕府側にとって中途半端な戦場と化した。
慶喜の決断すべきは、薩摩の非を問うのではなく、徹底的に戦い抜く覚悟、さもなくば、鳥羽伏見に兵を進めることなく、手薄だった大津方面や洛西方面を封鎖し、薩長の軍を干せばよかったが、後の祭りだった。
しかし北越戦争で派遣された佐賀藩なんかはすでにスペンサー銃を部隊規模で装備していて庄内藩を圧倒したそうだ。
0:11 that ridiculously devestating effect of cannon reminds me of wooden cannon in fall of samurai
I see what you did there XD
shamfur dispray, or in fots, damn lily livered cowards!
I only play fots though, lol
3:31 or 3:32 , his face lol. It must have been a shock for them knowing they had just started fighting the emperor.
Κικιώνης Κωνσταντίνος *to be continued*
Weapons during the boshin war were highly technological that it ended so quickly thanks to advance industrialization. It is probably a great example of modernizing the country. However, cultural practices and customs still remains by adopting from the previous indoctrination and ethical standards.
Shimazu Yoshihiro, Mōri Motonari and Chōsokabe Motochika would be proud.
True. The 3 clans got their revenge...
Ishida Mitsunari would laugh happily with Otani Yoshitsugu while drinking ocha
新政府軍ｖｓ旧幕府軍とか聞いただけでゾクゾクですわ
ラストサムライw
徳川幕府「蝦夷共和国ドーンww」
@@フーフー-k3g 徳川幕府というより旧徳川家家臣団じゃない？
ラストサムライはアメリカ人の妄想
チェストー
山本八重の弟三郎がこの戦闘で戦死し、姉の八重が三郎の軍服を着用したと言うてたな。最愛の弟を失い、「仇をこの私が討つ」と硬い決意で会津戦争では官軍の将兵を血祭りに上げる戦闘は有名だな。
2:20 なぜだろう飛行機雲が俺には見えるｗ
恐らく天人どもが介入しに来たのでしょうな
How excited and happy the soldiers of New Government feeled, how mess, sad and shocked the soldiers of Old Shogunate feeled, when the Emperor's flags appeared.
Shogunate Charge at 0:46, While the Imperialist Charge at 2:14 with the Shogunate Charge at 2:18 in the Battle of Toba-Fushimi and that reminds that Game is Total War: Shogun 2 Expansion The Fall of The Samurai. Damn that gonna be Great Warfare.
Le Courage absolu de ces guerriers, de ces combattants est admirable et sera une contante de l’Histoire du Japon.
🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
The first battle of the Boshin War.
The emperor's banner, no clan no lord can be against the emblem in Japan. The government which got emperor, it is authorized recognized government officially.
幕府軍もフランス式の歩兵を持っているにもかかわらず、先陣では使わんかったんやな。
実際には鳥羽伏見の戦いで幕府陸軍の歩兵隊も伝習隊も第一線で戦っているのだが、軍服や装備をそろえるのが大変だからか、こういった映像作品にはほとんど登場しない。
Take that tokugawa! that's fit for your betrayal against toyotomi and their audacity to found their own shogunate...
The grudge of Ishida Mitsunari and Otani Yoshitsugu in sekigahara also had been released.
I dont remember Levy Infantry were this effective in Fall of The Samurai.
Shogun 2 player: No, you can't levy commoners and train them so fast!
Basically every Samurai ever: Haha, levy infantry, go charge
dont do my levys like that bro those mfs slayed even in the late game
鳥羽伏見から始まった戊辰の役では会津は散々でしたね‥
幕軍で逆に対象的な戦ぶりを見せたのが‥出羽の庄内藩でしたけどね‥
仕方ない。庄内藩は家康公と今川時代から共に行動し三方原、長篠、小牧長久手会戦で殴り込みを仕掛けて勇名を馳せた徳川四天王の筆頭家臣酒井忠次公の直系だからな。
GOOD NEWS SIR !THE ENEMY GENERAL IS DEAD!!
*spends five minutes waiting for scores to load*
MY LORD! THEIR GENERAL HAS FALLEN! A CUTTING BLOH!
これは鳥羽方面の戦いか？
幕府方に大砲があるから桑名藩の砲兵隊かとも思うが、こんな風に対峙して撃ち合った戦いは史実にはない
しかも、スナイドル銃は上野戦争当たりから導入されたもの、鳥羽伏見の戦いには投入されていない
また、槍隊の攻撃は淀千両松の戦いで待ち伏せして行われたものだ、こんな遮蔽物のない所で真っ正面から突撃なんてバカはしていない
幕末の戦闘シーンは手抜きが多くて酷すぎる
Our men are running from da battrefierd shamefur dispray
I'm no racist idiot fix your grammar first ever heard of Shogun 2?
Gatling Guns versus Men in Swords with the Blood DLC.... We're eating spaghetti tonight!
+xXZyborg_GoatXx “The Goat” good one nice name unlike that kcid kcuf him
xXZyborg_GoatXx hell yeah
My lord!!!The enemy general has fallen!!! A cutting browww!!!
where can i watch the rest of the movie?
0:39 katana kachi vs imperial guard infantry
Wrong, spear levy vs levy infantry
What movie/series is this?
"When The Last Sword Is Drawn" (2003)
can you give the title of the film or something historical movie?
"When the Last Sword is Drawn" (2003)...
@@zaldygallardojr.8762 I don't see this scene IIRC
2:00に映ってる橋、木津川の流れ橋やね。確かに京都南部で鳥羽にも近いけど。そもそもこの時代にこの橋無いしね。
Historical series are awesome, what tv series is that to be exact. I would love to watch it
Maybe about Saito Stegodon?
旧幕府側の小銃は藩によっては、
水準に差があり。
幕府陸軍歩兵隊は、前装式ライフル銃のミニエー銃、精鋭の伝習隊はボルトアクション式のシャスポー銃でした。
桑名藩兵は、装備の上では、ミニエー銃が主体、服装は上がコート、下が義経袴だったらしいです。
会津藩.新撰組はマスケット銃に分類されるゲベール銃が鳥羽伏見の戦いまで主力で、江戸に帰還して以降は、幕府陸軍が使っていたミニエー銃を国元へ持ち帰ったり、新潟港から新式銃を購入しようとしましたが、会津藩は、主力部隊に前装式ライフル銃のミニエー銃がようやく揃う程度で、白虎隊や玄武隊にはゲベールや初期のライフル銃のヤクトビュクス銃等の旧式銃が回されていました。
What movie?
"When The Last Sword Is Drawn" (2003)
Levy Infantry charge agian Katana kachi, well... it's possible even you build it with Buddish temple and Drill college...or mod.
It's samurai bs, especially for gameplay purposes. In real life, you don't fight massed spear formations with mere swords, EVER, and if you were to charge an entrenched position, you may as well do it with spears.
@@alexanderenrique3058 Yeah, sword will win against spear since Rome Total War and Medieval 2 Total War
What breech loading rifle were the shogunate force using, when loading ammo. At 1:45.
I believe they were using a combination of outdated french breech loaders and muzzle loading rifles hence why the imperialist were out gunning them for they were using modernized prussian bolt loaders giving them higher accuracy, range,as well as a staggering higher rate of fire
@@michaelwilliams7292 That's completely wrong. Chosu and Satsuma (imperialist) forces were all armed with muzzle-loading minié-type rifles, Satsuma domain also still had traditional elements mixed into their forces (both melee as well as the outdated tanegashima matchlocks). Later in the war they also got their hands on the snider enfield but those weren't universally used by everyone. They never used any German rifles in large numbers.
The Tokugawa shogun started the war with both breech-loaders (dreyse needle gun and chassepot) and muzzle-loaders (like the 1853 Enfield) as well as some traditional equipment. His vassals used much more traditional equipment but some (like the Aizu) also had well-trained modern units.
So basically in the Boshin War, when it comes to rifle the shogunate force has the accuracy and fast loading advantage basically.
"Oooh were done goof" yup the look at the the soldier who was conscious when seeing the flag
會津藩是孝明天皇的忠臣，是幕末的真武士
Was searching for Toba Fushimi Shogun 2 Fall of the Samurai Walkthrough might as well watch this :) Didnt see The Aizu Clan get involved in this in the game
Well, in the game the satchodo alliance was put under Satsuma banner and the entire shogunate army under Tokugawa banner. Not really realistic.
“Tokugawa Hell”?
“Imperial Japanese Hell”?
What is the name of this movie?
この映画の白虎隊のタイトル。
"When The Last Sword Is Drawn" (2002)
영화 제목좀요
スナイドル銃の速射性が恐ろしい…。
それに対して旧幕府側についた藩は火縄銃という…
速射性が違いすぎる。
同感です!
（スナイドル ライフルが好きな人）
@@ラーメン大好きそこらのオッサン火縄銃なんて使ってません(笑)
戦いで使われた銃の9割が前装式のエンフィールド銃。たった1割の薩摩兵が使ってたスナイドル銃を引き合いに出すなら、シャスポー銃を使ってた幕府陸軍の方がよっぽど装備は上です。
@@tako82746 さん
そうだったんですか。だとしたら錦の御旗が効きすぎたのでしょうか？
@@ラーメン大好きそこらのオッサン 効き目有り過ぎ
格式を重んじる士族は朝廷には歯向かえないからね
会津若松に修学旅行しに行くから
知識を高めるために学校でこのドラマ見たけど濡れシーンとかあって盛り上がってたなwww
wwぶほぉっww
なんのドラマですか？
サブチャンネル武蔵 白虎隊
おお❗ありがとう❗
0:40 : well this is like Nagashino in 1575 just with Bayonet instead Teppou
What kind of breech loading rifle were the imperial force using m, when loading the ammo at 0:58?
That was just a caplock musket. But the soldier was putting on the percusion cap.
Snider rifle
Neddel rifle, they used many different types of rifles from USA and Britain and the shogunate troops used weapons from the French
この官軍が身に付けてる軍服と装備は何処で手に入るのでしょうか？サバゲーで使いたいです。
ちょっと失礼します！軍服と装備品なら「fcsutler」とか「civil war sutler」って調べると軍服から各種装備品まで売ってますよ！日本で戊辰戦争の軍服販売してるところは一社位しか見たことないですし、最近営業してるのか怪しいので買うなら上に書いたアメリカのお店で買うかebayで「civil war uniform」って検索して買うしかないです。なんでアメリカかっていうとあっちは南北戦争のパレードが盛んに行われてて軍服とかが普通に売ってるんですよね。それと戊辰戦争で使われた装備品は南北戦争の中古品がほとんどなので「戊辰戦争の服＝南北戦争の服」なんですよね。私はebayで買うのをオススメします。ただ陣笠とかは日本で作ってるとこが全然無いのでどうしようもないです。個人的にはバックパックを装備してた幕府陸軍の軍服のほうがサバゲーに合いそう？なのであわせて見てみると良いかなと思います。あと価格は結構安いですよ！
長文失礼しました！
メルカリかヤフオクで自分の体格にあった学ラン探して自分で厚紙使って傘を自作して足袋と草鞋履けば出来上がりや
鳥羽伏見で幕府側の死者が全体で280人だから一戦闘でこんなに死んでないんだな。
these rebel last until the movie call 'The Last Samurai' by Tom Cruiser.
撮影の都合とはいえ酷いな。 薩摩は高い場所から高性能大砲を撃ちかけてきたまた徳川幕府側は大将が砲撃に面食らって、さっさと逃亡してしまい大混乱。
孫子の兵法でも、以下のように記述されていますね。
「陣を構える際には、相手よりも小高い場所に布陣しろ。しかも、右斜後方に丘がある場所が望ましい。」
「高い位置に布陣している相手に攻撃を加えてはならない。」
薩摩は、まさに孫子の兵法で記述されている原理原則に従って対処したのですね。
So this was how Japan was like 40 years before world war 1 :D
Yeah, it's incredible how fast they modernized
I saw Satsuma, Chosu, Aizu, Tokagawa clans in this scene
Dem rifle sound fx
take that tokugawa! the sweet mitsunari's revenge...
Edo Shogunate used Chassepot.
Satsuma and Chōshū and Tosa used Minié rifle.
The gun of the Edo shogunate was better.
Most shogunate vassal troops used Gewehr smoothbore guns which were inferior guns to the Minie rifle.
Orders were placed for 40,000 state-of-the-art French Chassepot rifles in 1867 but only a fraction reached Edo by the end of the year, one month before the battle.
It is most likely that the Imperial forces had better equipment.
The Minie rifle has a .71 caliber bullet as opposed to the Chassepot's .433 caliber
@@0MVR_0 Where did you get the idea that the Dreyse Needle gun is inferior to Minié rifles? Minié rifles might have been accurate and all but they were still muzzle-loaders that look at least 20 seconds to reload, at best. The Dreyse was a breech-loader that would could fire much faster
In fact Prussia beat Austria in 1866 by using the Dreyses against Austria's minié-style rifles, there's a reason why France switched to the Chassepot soon after.
@@asuka7309 Japan just before the Meiji was different to Europe during the same era. Quantity of presented ammunition to the enemy is of much lesser significance than the rate of spent munition with effect. This is particularly pronunced on a battlefield where skirmish capability was usually indecisive. Most of the battles ended due to the Shogunate forces routing rather than taking sustained sustained combat loses of which many would be at hand-to-hand.
@@0MVR_0 your arguement still doesn't make any sense because the battles of the boshin war weren't fought in a style or at a range where the minie's accuracy would make a difference for the regular soldier.
Just look at the battle of Toba fushima as an example. At Toba the shogunate forces had their headquarters set up in a shrine not even 500 meters from the bridge that the Imperial satsuma forces had fortified, the actual battlefield is little more than a small park today, the entire battle took place well within the accurate firing range of the needle gun. The same goes for fushima, where they just had to shoot across a river.
This is not the kind of warfare the minie was developed or advantageous for, there's a reason why the imperialst also switched to breech loaders later in the war
松平容保言葉を失うw
最早、刀や槍の時代は終わったか…、土方さんの言葉が聞こえてきそう。
戦国時代後期にはとっくに終わっていますよ。もちろん旧幕府軍も刀や槍を主とする兵器としてはいません。
確か幕府軍がガトリング砲をぶっ放して官軍を苦戦させた話もあったね、やはりそれ相応の兵器が必要なんだな。
@ジョースター家のジョセフさんアピーチ 狼はいつの時代も嫌われる。
@SưĐoànThủyQuânLụcChiến かたじけない。
What is the movie title?
Can anyone tell from which movie or documentry this scene is taken?
What movie was this on?
3:02 この音を聞いた瞬間、｢あぁ、終わった…｣と思ってしまう
演奏してもらいたいし、音楽として保存したい。
北辰一刀流も新透無捻流も何の役にも立たず、偽の錦の御旗の前に新選組の勇士たちは倒れていったのだ。
錦の御旗を持って来られては、ひれ伏すしかない・・・💦
What is the name of the movie?
"When The Last Sword Is Drawn" (2003)
スナイドル銃の有効射程 1000m 火縄銃は 有効射程50mだった
途中で流れてるラッパの音はなんていう名前なのでしょうか？
コメント視聴 維新勤皇隊で調べると出てきますよ
@@シリコンウエハー ありがとうございます。
Sumimasen, may I know where this series came from?
someone said ' Byaakko-tai'. Aizu had a female samurai unit too.
nice scene whats this from?
"When The Last Sword Is Drawn" (2002)
"GLORY FOR THE 1ST MAN TO DIE! CHARGE!!"
Imperial Troopers: 2:11
Where can I watch the full movie?
this is realistic.
What kind of rifle and artillery were they using?
In itsnt historical bc its too hard to make look alike one
In film seem to be modern gun for that era
Its snider enfield gun
Artillery in historical is armstrong gun
この映画のタイトルは何ですか。
誰か、教えてくれないか。
白虎隊 (2007年のテレビドラマ)
戊辰戦争は銃撃戦であり、チャンバラは殆どやっていないはず
Movie?
whats the name of the song at the end of video, the march.....
miya san
or miyasan
+sucio dan Darude Sandstorm
+mary dora thanks, youre my new very best friend :), do you know why they use this festival song as a military march????????
+mary dora Thx, it really helps.
北条義時や足利尊氏を見習って、錦の御旗なんぞ無視すりゃいいのにな。
What Name Film ?
幕府軍も鉄砲結構使ってたか
コンゴトモ、ヨロシク どうせ旧式だろ
ポルコ
鳥羽・伏見の戦いに参加していた幕府直轄の幕府陸軍や仏式伝習隊等はむしろ新政府軍よりも新式の軍服に銃を使っていましたが、
他の部隊(幕府側諸藩)等は比較的に旧式なのが多かったと思います。
幕府軍はフランス, 新政府軍（帝国陸軍の前身）はイギリスからの援助の装備だったそうです
幕府がもっと軍備や近代化に力を入れていたら、議会開設や内閣制度の導入、大日本帝国憲法の公布は徳川家が主導していたかもね。
幕府直轄軍は最新式を使っていたけど、幕府側の各藩は火縄銃のとこが多かった、火縄銃ならまだマシで弓の藩や投石の藩まであり雑魚だった。
続）これに歯向かう者は国賊と称される
movie name
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新政府軍の頭の毛飾りは江戸城開城で接収されたものだから鳥羽伏見の時に着用はされてないはず。
新政府軍の隊長が被っている熊毛はカッコイイですね✨(^^)
錦の御旗を持ち出されたんじゃあ、徳川方には厳しいなぁ
what is the title of this movie ???????
Name of the movie?
"When The Last Sword Is Drawn" (2003)
なんで会津藩vs薩長軍しか撮影しないねん！
幕府陸軍（洋装・戦列歩兵戦法）vs薩長軍の戦いのシーンを撮れよ！
What film is this?
後方装填式と前方装填式の戦いって極端過ぎる見せ方😅抜刀では真の侍が一番強かった。西南戦争でも抜刀で斬り殺された戦死者が多かったとか。佐川さん来てからな。
What rilfe are the shogun forces using?
Cody Shi From my historical accounts they were backed by the French
I don't know but probably French gun because they backed by french
UHm, were those breech loading rifles...with ramrods...? I didn't understand their loading mechanism. I slowed it down..and it looked like they pulled back the hammer...loaded...something that did not look like a percussion cap...into the breech...then were starting to take our the ramrod..
Both armies used a collection of both breech-loading guns and muzzle-loading muskets and there was basically no standardisation. It's confusing because there are a lot of cuts
movie name
pls
0:58 Wait what? I thought they were using muskets. Are these breach loaders?
WALN Zell I am not sure but it might be Snider-Enfield riffles. For shogunate, they might be using minié riffles.
I've heard that japanese used chassepot rifle in boshin war
Standardized weapons doesn't exist at this time, hard to say.
both side got breech loaders but most still using rifled-musket aka muzzleload
The one you see using breechload is Snider-Enfield used by Choshu troops, Satsuma gnome army use Pattern-Enfield m1853 while Shogunate army use Tanegashima(for samurais) Chassepot and mainly use Gewehr m1842
Movie name/