Milwaukee vs Makita - Hammer Drill Rematch!
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- Опубліковано 15 лип 2023
- Last year, I tested the Gen 3 Milwaukee Fuel Hammer Drill vs the Makita LXT. Now it's time to test the Gen 4 and bring XGT into this showdown!
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I invested in Milwaukee heavily, but that doesn’t stop me from buying other brands’ tools, I have DeWalt heat gun and Fan + I have Ridged inflator + some Ryobi Tools, never stuck with a brand since there are better choices from other brands and all can be used by a battery adapter if you don’t want to buy a battery.
A good way to look at it. I haven’t ever tried battery adapters but mostly because I have the batteries for the major tool brands due to testing.
Forgive my ignorance but what is a battery adapter?
What you said
@ambermangham use different brand battery from tool
Kudos for you for testing Milwaukee Fuel tools with a High Output Battery! A lot of these tool test channels still don’t get it! They insist on using the Milwaukee 5 amp battery. Reason being…because it came with the kit. So what!! In order to get the power needed to perform at peak efficiency, Milwaukee Fuel tools need the High Output Batteries, preferably the 6 amp HO Battery, which tends to have more power than the 8 amp battery. So other tool channels…get a clue and don’t use an inferior performing battery when testing the Milwaukee Fuel tools, as you are handicapping the Milwaukee tool being tested!
I will typically do it both ways. Initial testing I will typically do with what comes in a kit. The reason being is that when someone buys a kit they want to know how it will perform. And for a lot of jobs, those 5ah batteries are sufficient to do the work. But I do also feel that testing with the optimal battery has it's place to. So you will likely see it both ways on this channel.
I totally feel you on that, I invested into the Ridgid 12v platform for them to discontinue the entire platform not long after I bought into it. That’s ok though cause I stepped up to the M12 platform and love it. The XGT platform really seems to be where Makita is focused on right now and that’s probably where I would go as well! Great video my friend!
Thanks. I almost got on the Ridgid 12v line because I had their 18v tools when I was starting out but ended up on M12 as well. And thank you, glad you enjoyed it.
Agree with your assessment - Milwaukee doesn't throttle performance. I think that comes at the expense of tool longevity.
My choice from this group is the XGT 💪 Great vid!
Thanks Jim!
Milwaukee seems never to be unimpressive! Always a top dog! At the moment, I do not have enough justification to delve into M18 platform. But surely I will keep them in my sight! I saw recent development in the M18 with the new compact impact driver. I even touched it at my local HomeDepo and it felt almost like a 12v tool.
The top dog hammer drills, sadly I had not found any uses yet. Most of household maintenance masonary was fine with Craftsman CMCD711 hammer drill so far. And I have a 12V hammer drill from DeWALT which I believe it can handle outdoor spigot replacement kind of jobs well. I guess I would rather borrow a SDS if I ever need a serious masonary drilling at the moment.
But if I need to start trades job myself someday, I will definitely keep Milwaukee and Makita XGT in mind! I also saw Hitachi (Metabo) doing similar voltage jump like XGT as well.
Thanks for making more informative video!
had a chance to drill into my foundation this week and I have to admit, had a hard time with a harder concrete. only needed to drill few holes, but was wishing I pulled out my sds instead
Yeah it doesn’t seem to be a strong suit of the XGT or the LXT. And like you said there is a tool for that but sometimes you don’t do enough to justify a SDS.
I do love both of these drills. The Makita XGT, while amazing, just feels fragile to me with all the electronics. I had to have my first one replaced under warranty already due to transmission issues. The flex is actually my go to at the moment for the heavy duty jobs and then my gen 3 m12 for everything else.
I haven’t had any issues with the XGT yet but I get what you are saying.
@@TinkerWithTools remember when people were saying you had to back off the Makita chuck a quarter turn after tightening it? Watched a chuck slowly die in a coworkers hands cause he tried that lol 😂
I think the powdered metal gears are part of the transmission problem, but I've noticed three gen 3 Milwaukees at work are zip tied into speed two. I can take out Milwaukee gearboxes np, and you can too: shift when the drills not completely stopped. (it'd be easier not to if the proud, protruding shift switch wasn't where your hand goes)
I noticed that when testing your paddle bits that the Milwaukee chuck became lose and dropped the bit right as you broke through the wood.
Did you notice this to be a constant issue? Did you see the same thing with the Makita chucks?
@@El_Diablo_LI I wouldn’t call it common. And it’s not the just the Milwaukee. I chalk it up to user error on myself more than anything. Not ratcheting the Chuck down properly as I am trying to get through testing with sometimes limited time.
I've watched a lot of these tests. I don't own either of these brands, I own a different brand, so I'm not biased towards one or the other. It is interesting to see the tests and maybe we want to know that we have the best and greatest but in normal use it doesn't matter that much. The biggest difference I see between the brands is in constant hard use. I'm not talking about dropping it off of a building or running over it with a car, I'm talking about driving many fasteners or drilling many holes one right after the other. The Milwaukee will operate longer without overheating and shutting itself off or harming itself than any other consumer brand will. This would be important to some people.
Yeah Milwaukee definitely will let their tool run hotter than some tools. Whether that is good for the tool long term or not might be a different consideration.
@@TinkerWithTools What I've seen in the tests is that other brands get hotter for the same amount of use, to the point of smoking. The Milwaukee may have a high temperature limit but you have to use it more before it gets equally as hot.
How would you compare the LXT with the new Ridgid high torque hammer drill?
I haven’t done a lot of direct comparisons between the two to be honest but the Gen 3 fuel bested the LXT a year ago in testing and then ridgid has been showing to be similar to that drill. I would say the Ridgid might be more powerful but lose on some refinement.
Nice video. Based on what I’ve seen from other channels, I believe the flagship hammer drills from Flex and DeWalt would be better suited at competing with Milwaukee in the concrete tests.
Thanks and I agree. Different strong suits for different tools.
I don't know Fuel batteries, but BL4025 XGT battery used here produces maximum power of 1,1 kW, whereas 4040F and 4050F reach 2,1 kW (and there are 4025F and 4040 in between). Would using a bigger battery make difference in the case of this particular test?
Using a battery that is capable of higher output can potentially affect performance. Unfortunately the 4040F is not widely available yet in my country, so my ability to test is the currently limited.
I still love mechanical Clutch even on heavy drill
But i think how was the result when Makita LXT comes with Bigger 21700 battery and XGT with new battery realeased on Japan
Makita was the only brand wasn't realeased the 21700 battery on LXT lineup
The XGT had run better on the 4 ah battery for me in the past. But at the same time Torque Test channel saw little difference. The LXT I think will be a while before you see 21700 cells but I hope we do.
@@TinkerWithTools lxt x2. 36 volt tools don't have space for 21700 cells. 40 volt tools do
Does your makita xph14 have a clicking noise when you press the trigger fully then slow down, kinda like feathering the trigger. Mine does and it annoys the hell out of me. Idk what’s causing the clicking noise but do you think this is a common issue with the xph14?
Mine does not.
If you see en the vid it does
Mine does it as well
@tinkerwithtools if u ever get a chance try the gen 4 one key version of the milwaukee hammer drill and impact driver. I have the xgt hammer drill as well and having the one key with 3 modes on the drill and 4 modes on the impact driver, it gives it alot of versatility for delicate stuff then hammer it up to full power mode. I thought one key was just for business use but its much more then that i found out, makes it almost a whole different tool. Now im inclinded to buy more one key products. Im a drill addict lol so Ihave both the xgt and flex turbo as well, but since i tried one key ive been using that the most because i can now lower the torque and rpm for delicate work so i only need one tool instead of reaching for an m12 for delicates
I haven't ever owned a one key version of a tool, but maybe I'll have to check it out.
I think you’re right about Makita putting the LXT tools on hold. Reminds me of when Makita did the same thing recently with the CXT line. Maybe they are starting with a clean slate and are about to release a crazy amount of new tools with better technology to compete?
I hope that is the case. But I think that the fact that they have bigger capacity in the XGT lineup already suggests how they view the two lineups next to each other.
@@TinkerWithTools that 8ah battery is a damn cinder block
Yeah that’s how I feel when I see the 15ah DEWALT battery. It’s huge!
@@stauker.1960 Useable power to weight ratio and ergonomics has alway been better with Makita.
Don’t know don’t think LXT is going anywhere soon they keep coming out with new 18 volt tools. Some stuff came out in the 40 volt and a little while later the 18 volt version dropped like the little blower everyone is going crazy for.
How would you compare the Makita to the DCD800?
The Makita is bigger and heavier. On smaller items I would say that they would perform similarly but in speed 1 I think that the LXT Makita will be prepared to handle a little more.
Makita use 18650 cells in the 40v platform, with the exception of the 4ah battery, which uses 21700. The reason for this is that there was negligible performance increase and in some instances, actually performance decrease with some of the 40v tools.
I have tested the drill with the 4 ah in other videos and I have seen it complete tests that it was failing to do in speed 2 with the smaller batteries. I know the 4 ah didn't test better on TTC's testing but in my tests I did see some improvement. But in addition to using the bigger cells in the XGT batteries, they have also expanded the capacities for larger AH batteries as well, something that hasn't been done on the LXT lineup.
Ive used Makita for 10 years now. What i love about them is ease of use, comfortability, and durability. Ive watched Milwaukee & Ryobi drills burn up in a cloud of smoke while the Makita keeps on truckin.
Since the DCD800 wasn’t what I really needed last year, I returned it. Now I’m trying to decide which high torque hammer drill combo will work best for me that is on sale.
I know you have been interested in the Ridgid high torque before. What would stop you from going that route. If memory serves me, don't you have some Ridgid stuff already?
@@TinkerWithTools I apologize, in advance, but this is gonna be a little long.
I have the Ridgid mid torque impact wrench and 3/8 drive ratchet because I found great deals on the daily specials at Home Depot.
I have been definitely considering the Ridgid high torque hammer drill combo because it can be hacked for $184 with the Black Friday deal. However, it will be slightly inconvenient for me because the two most expensive “free tools” aren’t available in my stores. I would have to order them, but the main combo is available, so I’m not sure how that would work.
Here’s the main thing about Ridgid that I’ve heard from people who own the combo. The drill is powerful, but can have inconsistent performance. This is something that I’ve also heard about Dewalt drills.
The impact driver is really powerful, but I have seen some with a good amount of collet wobble.
Both the drill and impact driver by Ridgid have some trigger lag, and not the best trigger control.
Flex and Milwaukee are the best for power, but the Milwaukee drill is slightly forward heavy and that irritates the tendinitis in my right elbow.
That leaves Flex, and I don’t see any good deals on that combo yet.
I don’t really like having to return things, but I might get the Ridgid, and just see if it’s right for me,
@@TinkerWithTools I also forgot to mention Dewalt. I think Dewalt has the best ergonomics, and really good trigger control. The 998 and 999 are supposed to be really good drills, but both combos come with the DCF887. That impact driver has gotten a bad reputation lately. I like the 845, but I think it would be too expensive to get the 998 or 999 and buy the 845 separately.
yeah, dewalts combo's are perplexing at times... the 887 isn't a terrible impact though I know people have burned them up after prolonged use, but I think that it's just time to include the better impact in their top kits.
@@TinkerWithTools If you’re willing to build your own combo, you can get a good one with Dewalt.
Home Depot has a deal where, if you buy the DCD999 drill with just the battery, charger and bag, you can get a free flex volt battery. That brings the drill kit down to $166 in your cart if you return the battery.
Lowe’s has a deal where, if you buy a starter kit that includes two batteries and a charger, you can get the DCF845 for free. It doesn’t look like you can hack that like the one at Home Depot, and you would end up spending about $360 total plus tax.
The time to drill holes is interesting, but not a super comparison. (Bit sharpness/brands, pressure you apply, angle you drill at, etc will all impact the time results)
I think a good test may be power consumption. Use a 4 amp battery in all three and see how many 3" screws can be sent on a single charge. Most DIY'ers are going to lean towards tools that can do more work between charges, rather than the speed to drill a hole.
Good video though.
Appreciate the feedback!
Thank you for the video
I would love to see a stacked lithium battery from makita
actually
we need a bigger LXT Makita batteries
So if they released the Stacked battery that will have to wait for longer
I would love to see any updates from Makita on the LXT batteries at this point. But I don’t think you will be getting that any time soon.
@@TinkerWithTools I'm pretty sure Makita could stuff a five ah full of lipo pouches a la DeWalt. That would be a wet dream come true.......
And that's the shame of it all. I'm pretty heavily invested in Makita LXT line. I feel like if they offered a stacked lithium battery along with higher capacity batteries, the LXT line could live on for a good 5 years or more because the performance was there for most.
But without the better battery technology or higher capacity battery improvements, it's a dead man walking platform.
To me, they're just alienating all of the loyal LXT fans and leaving us out to dry. Because of this, I'm done with them and will not move into their XGT platform.
I'll be honest. I'm in so many other platforms already. Milwaukee, DeWalt, Rigid, Flex, Kobalt, and just recently Bosch. (I'm living that Profactor high torque drill...it's a beast). I'm even in Ryobi for their tools that no one else offers. I recently bought their cordless bug zapper and clamp speakers that are both pretty cool! No one else offers things like that.
But I refuse to move into the Makita XGT platform because they basically abandoned all of us LXT users. So as far as I'm concerned, Makita is dead to me once my LXT tools die.
@@El_Diablo_LI Makita might know something about pouches we don't. Might be that they're letting 18v tools replace the consumer 12v tools. Might be that technology is just moving this quickly, and they're just trying to stay ahead of the game. I wouldn't equate a shift in priorities to abandonment until they provide a bit more evidence. Especially if what I hear about a XPH16 is true
The spade bit falling out of the Milwaukee would drive me nuts. I've been leaning towards investing in Makita for my battery platform
For what’s it worth I think that most of that failure was user error on my part of not tightening it down properly. I don’t feel on my continued use of the Milwaukee that it’s been issue. But I also don’t think you are wrong to want to invest in Makita. They are both good extensive platforms.
Cool vid. I enjoying it. Im a milwaukee guy , but i do have a soft spot for makita. My old company used to suply us with makita gear and it was all good stuff, not to mention it saved wear and tear on my gear. Did always prefer my milwaukee gear though, but as said im a fan of both. Luckily i normally have my sds to hand every day, so try not to go near concrete with me combie drill, although it does do the job.
Not really sold on the larger voltage tools yet. Milwaukee m28 didnt really last too long, and my m18 sds goes through block alot easier than my old 36v bosh, but time will tell.
I think early attempts with higher voltage batteries were premature. Having used XGT, Multi-Volt and Flexvolt, along with other less obvious higher voltage platforms like OPE companies like EGO, there seems to be more staying power and there are certain tools where the extra voltage really makes a lot of sense.
Yeah no doubt mate. I'm sure it will make a big difference with high output tools. Look forward to getting my hands on some more modern larger voltage tools at some stage. I'd love to get hold of some flex gear, but here on the uk it's not really available yet. I also love their take on the pack out system. Hopefully as they grow more of their gear will make our shores. Surprising how hard it is to come by considering they are made in europe really.
Flex tools are very powerful and seem to be holding up well. I am happy to have another premium brand to push the other leaders to keep innovating and improving. Honestly with the Flex Stack Pack, I have 3 different tiems from the collection and they aren't bad but I will say that finding them in stores around here has become increasingly hard. Lowes recently ran clearance deals on a bunch of them and was getting rid of them at really bargain prices. It made me think that they may not have gone over all that well. Packout seems to have such a strangle-hold on the tool storage/transportation market that it seems difficult for other brands that have decent options to make progress with market penetration.
@TinkerWithTools ahh man sad to hear that. It looked a quality bit of kit. Probs means we have zero chance of seeing it here. The pack out is only really starting to get a following here now. The dewalt t stack has the biggest chunk of the market here, but milwaukee is catching up now.
Just got a notification the new lxt xhp16 was just released two days ago!!
Might be coming soon to tinker with tools. 👀
@@TinkerWithTools oh yeah! Same here!
O.o
compact drill, less that 1000 in lbs......yawnnnnn
@@nodoubt46able think about it this way: lxt is limited to 5ah anyways, and you can make a compact, powerful tool with 10 18650's. If you want something big and brutish, get the XGT.
Whats up with the bits falling out of the Milwaukee?
I think it was user error, not tightening them down properly. I have owned the drill for over a year now and it's not a common thing as long as I do my part.
I heard somewhere else the XPH14 is getting replaced with the XPH16
There is a man XPH16 coming out. Mine should arrive next week but I don’t think it’s a replacement. It’s more compact but also less powerful based on the specs that I read. So if it is a replacement I’ll be surprised but I’ll be testing and comparing either way.
@@TinkerWithTools Got it. Never looked into the specs.
I don't think it's an issue of Makita not having the power of Milwaukee, they just have a waaay more conservative electronic cut off ok their tools to save them and the batteries. It's a little annoying at some points but the fact that I've only ever needed makita warranty once since 2011 and have use Milwaukee warranty at least half a dozen times in the last 2-3 years speaks volumes on longevity.
Yeah I have used the warranty on both but not excessively.
@@TinkerWithTools Looked up the 16. Looks like it's a new model of the 12 not the 14.
Not the most fair test here. Although differences are bugger all in some of these tests but your milwaukee had a high output battery (21700 cell) vs the LXT (18650 cell). The XGT line use 18650 cells in the 2.5 ah and 5 ah batteries and 21700 cells in the 4.0 and 8.0 battery. That XGT 2.5 you had equals an 18v 5.0. You could test the milwaukee 8.0 high output against the XGT 4.0. At the end of the day those high output batteries from milwaukee are great and really do make your tools noticeably more powerful than their standard batteries. I use high output on all my M18 tools and i also have the XGT
You are right. The batteries aren’t equal. But the only equal or fair thing for LXT would be to run on 5.0 for all. But LXT had painted themselves into a corner with their batteries in that most other brands have something better has far as batteries go. As for the XGT, I have other tests where we have run it on the 4.0 that can watch but in recent testing on torque test channel they saw it perform similarly to the 2.5 so i ended up using the lighter battery for these tests. Is it perfect, no, but there really won’t be one battery selected that will please everyone at the end of the day.
Mas comparaciónes amigo
Thanks. There are a bunch already many more are coming.
Most tradesmen have at least two different lines as not any tool manufacturer can make individual bare tools perfectly. I own LXT and M18 for many years also with some bosch line. Recently, I need to reconsider investing the 40v xgt line to slowly replace XLT. You are correct, makita won't funding more to get the existing 18v system upgrade. Don't give me a wrong, my makita 18v impact driver (6 years old) still does great job until today. Approximately 3 years' time I need to buy new batteries but never change any makita skin at all. Claim a few times warranty for m18 drill and batteries. Especially high 12ah one seems 18v is not hold the power at all.
I appreciate you sharing. And I agree on the multiple lines. Gives you options.
Milwaukee Red is truly Red. , it's no longer a US company it owned bought and paid for by COMMUNIST CHINA
Another good review, thanks. Your statement that Milwaukee let’s their drill get closer to the sun, ( upper limits of what’s absolutely possible. ).
Makita s focus is definitely in their XGT line, batteries, features, speeds, etc are where their headed. Seems like they’ve done their research and feel professional tradies are willing to jump a level in weight and size.
I give kudos to DeWalt for starting the snowball, Makita for realizing 2x18 was too cumbersome, Milwaukee for 21700’s in high output batteries. I can see the stacked lithium taking theirs up. But it’s time to get an even greater density power source, of which there are a few coming.
Well said. Thanks Greg!
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No Greg, makita is still releasing more lxt tools than they are xgt tools. They’ve even bumped up their 12v line recently although I don’t really know why. I don’t know a single person on the cxt platform
@@shadygunshow if they start making battery innovations on that platform then I will start to believe it. The rest of the tool companies are moving to alternative cell structures or higher discharge cells. Makita with X2 painted themselves into a corner back when a 6ah battery was the largest size that many companies had.
@@TinkerWithTools why do you believe that? How many ppl aren’t going to buy an upgraded lxt battery just because it won’t fit their 18v x2 tools? I have the x2 leaf blower (which is an absolute monster) and the x2 7” angle grinder (which I absolutely hate with a passion). I would still buy upgraded batteries for all of my 18v tools. Or not, lxt does the trick anyways as it stands. I haven’t found anything it can’t tackle yet.
Yeah, Makita kinda gave it away when they acronymed it as neXt Generation Technology. It really does feel like they're pushing to replace gas and cords with lithium packs.
The power is there.
My understanding is that the higher voltage allows it to run cooler, so it has more stamina. I have burnt up DeWalt and Milwaukee drills under extreme use. The Milwaukees didn't really burn up, they just stopped working. The DeWalts let off the most horrible smell. Talking about modern versions of their drills.
Voltage is half of the equation so increasing the voltage will decrease the amps required to achieve the same amount of work. I don’t know that it will make it less likely to burn up other than I feel that Makitas safeguards their tools a little more in general, not letting you push and push them to their limits necessarily.
@@TinkerWithTools
Hi. Voltage and current are equal/proportional for delivering power but not for calculating efficiency. I think lower current through the windings makes some difference. I'll keep my eyes open for a good technical explanation, but not always easy to find on the open Internet.
@@TinkerWithTools
FWIW... I have been trying (off and on) to power my own personal electric bikes with cordless drills, for 10-20 years. I tried a Milwaukee mud mixer, but had to use it in reverse and it kept stalling. The gearing was too high, but I'm giving up on that because the (18) voltage is probably just too low. Obviously higher voltage means more power, so I will try 36.
I would like to grab a Makita, but there's something about the old Metabo that looks awesome for my application. The side handle connection looks like it will allow for very easy anchoring to a platform (already to go). Metabo's new version, similar to Makita's, is not so accommodating. I hate going with the older version, but oh well. At least it's cheap.
Can you tell what the threading on the old Metabo's side handle is?
Thanks.
I just noticed... Somebody else used a cheap remote thermometer to measure the temperature of the Metabo vs Flex after use. A surprising disappointment, according to that measurement, the Metabo is hotter.
Apparently the formula for power waste is I2R (current squared times resistance). Doesn't matter with the voltage is. That's the reason for high-voltage power lines, increasing voltage increases the power delivery but doesn't increase the waste (roughly speaking). Maybe that matters in the windings of a drill motor.
What were the gearbox problems you had with the xph14 ?
1st gear would grind terribly on anything. 2nd still worked but 1st was basically dead.
Thanks for the reply 👍
XGT is more expensive than both LXT. and Milwaukee I have LXT tools and was not happy that makita transferred to XGT. So I started looking for another platform and I was looking at XGT as well. But I felt Milwaukee Was a lot more value for money.
I think all three of these tools and great options but i do agree with you that Makita XGT carries a $ premium. I did a video recently where I compared the value of different brands and Milwaukee was still on the high end of cost, it slightly lower cost than some of the other premium brands.
So all in all xgt looks like a good platform ;)
I think we are to that point. I think LXT has more tools overall but it seems like they are bringing more and more over to XGT.
Makita all the way for me. Because I was using Makita in the factory for years and nonstop 3 shift
Sorry to hear about your Makita but it’s kind of funny that you had to replace the makita for clutch issues because the excuse people always make for Makita, when comparing them to Milwaukee, is Milwaukee’s break, which they is not true. And you kind of just reasserted that excuse “Milwaukee let’s you go maybe to the detriment of the tool”. even though it was your previous Makita that broke .That’s not the case certain tools are designed to Run at different loads even different temperatures, the threshold for one tool isn’t necessarily the threshold for another tool, They’re both great drills two of my favorite brands. That Milwaukee really is a torque monster. Once the new forged pouch Cell Batteries from Milwaukee drop there will be plenty of new contact to put out! And I agree about the XGT line up and development. I also believe that the new generations of Milwaukees were specifically designed to run off the new pouch cell technology.
I do think they are both great brands. While it sucks to have tool break, makita replaced it and at the end of the day that’s what warranties are for. And yeah I am excited about the new batteries.
Milwaukee is a darn good tool *for the price*. I have trouble with their xc 5.0 batteries not bringing the beans. There's times at work the drills get so hot you almost can't hold them. And the battery connections are so chintzy either the batteries are rattling, you have to struggle to remove them, or both. What use is a bigger battery if the extra weight results in enough slop to wiggle free of the contacts while still connected to the tool? And I hope you have a strong hand from the red brand circle jerking, the chucks are cheap and need it. Though, through it all, they just kinda keep working. Not good enough to impress me, not bad enough to bother the boss, cheap enough to buy another when it breaks. Engineered to be replaced, and despicably disposable.
What would be your brand of choice?
@@TinkerWithTools makita is one of my favorite brands, hands-down I absolutely love their attention to detail. I don’t think Milwaukee comes close to Makita, when it comes to attention to detail, that being said, I am partial to Milwaukee, and I can admit that. But as far as the threshold or tolerance of a tool, a good example is recently Torque test channel got 3-D, printed battery adapters and put a flex 24 V stack lithium battery, on a Milwaukee, half-inch hammer drill. The Milwaukee took all 24 V and saw a significant increase in performance. They took those same batteries and put it on an 18 V Ingersoll Rand 1 inch impact the Ingersoll rand immediately died not even one rotations. In my experience, Milwaukee’s are designed to absorb a little bit more abuse and has a higher tolerance for being able to run at a little higher temperatures. I’ve been at Carpenter for over 20 years about 23yrs now. I’m now a project manager for government contractor I’m passionate about what I do and I love tools which is why I have so many of them and that’s how I make my living. And for me it’s kind of disappointing, when I see people perpetuate the idea that Milwaukee’s build quality is sub par compared to other brands when that’s just not the case. Most people know this to not be true. It’s usually said when they’re trying to defend their favorite tool brand anyways really looking forward to the new content after pipeline. I know you probably don’t remember, but on your M 18 Track saw review I left a comment, making a prediction/Gentleman’s bet that Milwaukee will release at three different stacked lithiums sizes this year with Bluetooth capability. This is what I’m really hoping for at least. It’s the only reason that I can think of why they did not add the Bluetooth to the Track saw because it will be integrated into the stacked lithium batteries. Which would be much better, because that takes every tool and gives it the ability of Bluetooth dust extraction. I.e orbital, sanders, miter, saws belt, sanders, etc..
@@TinkerWithTools what are you doing? What do you need? I drill lots of half inch holes in 3/8 aluminium, and lots of pilot bits for said holes. I work ten hours a day, but it's technically indoors. I want Makita XGT, it's higher rpm than Hilti, lighter than Bosch, and runs cooler than Milwaukee with a smaller battery than DeWalt ships with. BUT. It's more expensive, with a shorter warranty, and does the same job at the end of the day.
How would a MW 6.0 High torque power batteri vs a 2.5 AH XGT batteri be fair 😅
XGT is now starting to get high output batteries but didn't really have those and still don't in my market. I could put the 4ah XGT battery on there (a 8ah 18v equivalent), but you will always struggle to have a perfectly fair comparison.
Hi, like your video
I m a fan of makita tools my shop is all lxt tools i still have original bhp451from 2007 (3 units), followed by dhp458 (5 years ago) and currently dhp458 , but i also drive a service van full of milwaukee top tier tools and im sad to say milwaukee is hands down a better drill. if you need to take on any task like an animal the milwaukee will get it done, and might rip your arm out of socket if not careful. Makitas on the other hand have the torque required for any job but are gentler on your arm, and will cut out as soon as it binds, and sometimes thats not ideal. there is one down fall to milwaukee and thats their chucks. i have used all the top tier models since gen 1(tools get upgraded every year company policy)and they all loosen and bits fall out, whether you tighten it like a mad man or do the tight cw and backoff ccw, makes no difference. i have noticed that in your video with the spade drills. But like you said makita might have given up on LXT line and now focuses on 40v. once my batteries fail (still have one from 2007 made in japan that holds about 75% of charge from new) i will have a tough decision to make deciding on which platform to invest in.
As you said, there are good qualities to both drills, just depends on what you are looking for.
Is this like pitting Ford vs Toyota..
The gen 3 Milwaukee actually tested stronger than the gen 4 in several videos.
In my testing I’ve seen comparable but slightly better performance on the gen 4.
Good video !!but do another one with same power is look like you are Milwaukee guy 😂 I see you push more pressure on Milwaukee in minutes 7 and makita just little pressure for me makita XGT win
Makita LXT Screwed themselves with their 18v X 2 / 36v tools , that line is the reason Makita LXT hasn't come out with New bigger batteries with 21700 cells , because they won't fit on those 36v tools , there isn't enough room , so Hopefully Makita will make some Stacked Lithium Batteries soon that Will Fit and that will Definitely spark interest in the LXT Line and it will make A Lot of Makita Guys very happy including Me ...... 👍 🖖
I hope for that too!
as much as I like Makita, I am starting to find it hard to invest that much money on the brand alone. It's just too pricey. I remember when Makita interlocking case used to be fairly cheap to get at Amazon, but now, you don't see that much sale on them. Ever since the introduction of Makpac, they have risen the prices or at least put them back to the original price. Funny enough, the pricing is about as much as a Festool's systainer, so it begs the question why I would choose a Makita over a Festool. Ta da, got me a Festool case....that thing feels good for the price I paid.
The systainers that I am able to find on Amazon seem to be a little bit cheaper than Festool but not as cheap as I remember them.
@@TinkerWithTools I used to get them fairly cheap for 30 - 50 dollars depending on the size. I think they are still made in china
I love my makitas but I found out the hard way the Macpak is fragile overpriced garbage
@@parkerhammond3258 man, I am starting to feel like I should get rid of them and just go Festool.
@@ProxyFinal I own all Makita and have for years, I have so many tools I needed storage so for the price I went with Ridgid boxes they're as rugged as it gets and very fair priced, my makitas fit perfect!
Used to be a Milwaukee fanboy but Makita just makes more durable tools. Now that I have my own business I buy Makita for 18 Volt and I've kept Milwaukee for M12. Their M12 tools seem better than the M18 line and they are hard to beat all around. Thats about right that the speed bore fell out of the Milwaukee. The chucks on their drills are garbage.
Having used that Milwaukee for an almost 2 years at this point, I can say that it hasn't been a persistent issue in further use and testing. I am not suggesting that the chuck won't ever have issues, it just hasn't been a real persistent bother in use.
your tests arent very fair with not doing multiple ins and finding the best. Milwaukee have crap chucks as represented in the video when the bits fell out after drilling. the makita 18v batteries havent changed because they are well built and all 18v batteries work on all the 18v tools well. i know a few pwople that have batteries over 5 and 10 years old with out issue. one bloke is a fencing contractor and he has 3 and 4 Ah batteries and 2 drills and a drive that are well over 10 year old working well with a rough outdoor work life
I’m glad their batteries last well but the fact is battery technology has progressed in 10 years. What was cutting edge 10 years ago is now trailing behind newer technologies. And Makita is showing that they understand that by using 21700 cells in the XGT platform just not on LXT.
There is really no difference three great drills. Who cares about 0,8 seconds? You buy the one you like the best or the one you can afford. I can afford (I cant really) the lxt. Judging by the reviews its more than enogh for what I need. And I already have bateries.
Id sacrifice power over longevity but dang makita is expensive, gotta go with Milwaukee and their crappy batteries
Yeah they have a price premium for sure.
Уважаемый,я Вам так скажу,те тесты,что Вы сделали с закручиванием конструкционных саморезов это полеая чушь,так,как Ваш любимый милуоки,никак не мог превзойти макиту xgt по одной простой причине у макиты намного больше обороты двигателя,как на первой скорости 650,так и на второй скорости 2600 и тут сразу можно сделать вывод,что тест не правдоподобный,нелюблю,когда мне лгут!!!
The RPMs of the tool aren’t the only thing that factors into driving those fasteners.
I'll stick with Makita
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you hit something really hard in that concrete with that makita... it sat there for over a second or 2 before it started digging....makita rules
Are you referring to the XGT or the LXT. I can tell you that this isn’t the only test I have run with those drills and concrete or masonry drilling is not it’s strong suit in my experience.