I began to notice the message that Jesus taught. Mark 1 communicates this beautifully. The message was, rethink what you think is true because by following me and doing what I prescribe, the kingdom is now and option. By doing so we are engulfed by the Trinitarian Community. We experience inner transformation, or Spiritually led process, so that we come to think and live as Jesus was able to do. Whatever message we are sharing, is it indeed good news? Is Lordship good news? Is trying to make being poor in spirit as something desirable good news? I've found people often quote Dr. WIllard, but rarely come to be able to communicate his thesis. That the kingdom is now and for anyone and everyone, that eternal living is possible now, that our being right with God is placing our well being on him as Abraham did, takes care of the sin issues, that heaven is as close as the air surrounding our bodies, that "you are with me", that the resurrection proved that everything Jesus said is true. For me, this is good news. As spokespeople for Jesus are we communicating what he said or what we were taught to say?
I did that with the word “grace” and was surprised to find that almost all of the Old Testament references have a “favor” feel to them. The New Testament references have a majority of “God acting” feel to them but there also some that have a “favor” feel. Based on Dallas’ suggestion that we look up this word, I thought almost all of the references were going to have the “God acting” feel but perhaps he was trying to have people reconsider the “forgiveness” feel they associate with the word more than disagreeing with “favor” Now that I think about it, yeah. I don’t think he disagreed with ‘favor’. Rather, he disagreed with not saying what favor does.
I used to think it was a "dispensation" vs "reformed covenant" difference. However, having come across Jon Moffit from Theocast who is reformed and seeing that he left the Lordship Salvation camp makes me think its more than just that. He agrees as I also agree that anytime you add "obedience" or any other thing you must do then it is adding to what Christ did. Jon would point to the fact that faith is in the object(which is Christ) and not anything else that saves someone. The interesting thing is that Paul already ties the old testament faith to the new testament faith in both Romans and Galatians for us when he references how Abraham was declared righteous. If John MacArthur is right then wouldn't Paul have pointed to Abrahams obedience to circumcision or his willingness to sacrifice Isaac? If obedience was an important part of faith in salvation then why is Paul so bothered that they are adding in circumcisions in Galatia?
I will finish listening to you after awhile, you must give way to the trust when it's discovered, and you don't seem to be the person sir, question, are you saved ? Yes you ?
You use a lot of words in attempt to explain salvation. It's easy: Confess with your lips Jesus is Lord, believe in your heart He was resurrected from the dead you WILL BE SAVED. The rest falls into place as one reads Scripture. To muddy the waters with tons of THEORY is a waste of time.
so, one does not need to believe in the Holy Trinity?? - nor in the redemption accomplished through the Cross?? nor in the Eucharist? does that mean that we cannot receive God's grace in vain?? - or, perhaps, does that mean that a heretical faith justifies the sinner?? - the business of isolating one verse and voilà, the reformed bag of lies is proven to be the pure truth
@@silveriorebelo2920 Paul explains clearly and repeats exactly what Jesus did how to be saved in Acts 16 to the jailer who asked. He said, " believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved"...No eucharist or mention of believing in the Trinity. If we believe in Jesus to be saved, (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 sums up what that entails) we are born again just as He promises FOUR times in John 3.
I began to notice the message that Jesus taught. Mark 1 communicates this beautifully. The message was, rethink what you think is true because by following me and doing what I prescribe, the kingdom is now and option. By doing so we are engulfed by the Trinitarian Community. We experience inner transformation, or Spiritually led process, so that we come to think and live as Jesus was able to do.
Whatever message we are sharing, is it indeed good news? Is Lordship good news? Is trying to make being poor in spirit as something desirable good news? I've found people often quote Dr. WIllard, but rarely come to be able to communicate his thesis. That the kingdom is now and for anyone and everyone, that eternal living is possible now, that our being right with God is placing our well being on him as Abraham did, takes care of the sin issues, that heaven is as close as the air surrounding our bodies, that "you are with me", that the resurrection proved that everything Jesus said is true. For me, this is good news. As spokespeople for Jesus are we communicating what he said or what we were taught to say?
I did that with the word “grace” and was surprised to find that almost all of the Old Testament references have a “favor” feel to them.
The New Testament references have a majority of “God acting” feel to them but there also some that have a “favor” feel.
Based on Dallas’ suggestion that we look up this word, I thought almost all of the references were going to have the “God acting” feel but perhaps he was trying to have people reconsider the “forgiveness” feel they associate with the word more than disagreeing with “favor”
Now that I think about it, yeah. I don’t think he disagreed with ‘favor’. Rather, he disagreed with not saying what favor does.
Awesome David. That is such a good exercise for our own understandings!
I used to think it was a "dispensation" vs "reformed covenant" difference. However, having come across Jon Moffit from Theocast who is reformed and seeing that he left the Lordship Salvation camp makes me think its more than just that. He agrees as I also agree that anytime you add "obedience" or any other thing you must do then it is adding to what Christ did. Jon would point to the fact that faith is in the object(which is Christ) and not anything else that saves someone. The interesting thing is that Paul already ties the old testament faith to the new testament faith in both Romans and Galatians for us when he references how Abraham was declared righteous. If John MacArthur is right then wouldn't Paul have pointed to Abrahams obedience to circumcision or his willingness to sacrifice Isaac? If obedience was an important part of faith in salvation then why is Paul so bothered that they are adding in circumcisions in Galatia?
still with the false protestant lens for interpreting Scripture...
I will finish listening to you after awhile, you must give way to the trust when it's discovered, and you don't seem to be the person sir, question, are you saved ? Yes you ?
I guess both camps get it wrong because they start with the same understandings. Both are similar though they fight ))
You use a lot of words in attempt to explain salvation. It's easy: Confess with your lips Jesus is Lord, believe in your heart He was resurrected from the dead you WILL BE SAVED. The rest falls into place as one reads Scripture.
To muddy the waters with tons of THEORY is a waste of time.
so, one does not need to believe in the Holy Trinity?? - nor in the redemption accomplished through the Cross?? nor in the Eucharist? does that mean that we cannot receive God's grace in vain?? - or, perhaps, does that mean that a heretical faith justifies the sinner?? - the business of isolating one verse and voilà, the reformed bag of lies is proven to be the pure truth
@@silveriorebelo2920 Paul explains clearly and repeats exactly what Jesus did how to be saved in Acts 16 to the jailer who asked. He said, " believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved"...No eucharist or mention of believing in the Trinity. If we believe in Jesus to be saved, (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 sums up what that entails) we are born again just as He promises FOUR times in John 3.
@@silveriorebelo2920you sound Catholic. Why do you leave Jesus on the cross and have all that pagan idolatry in your church?