And I am SO happy for the Anansi-reference! Anansi was a West-African spider spirit, who traveled along with the enslaved West-Africans to comfort them - our ancestors. In my country of origin, Surinam/former Dutch Guyana, we have many folktales about him in which he tricks the high, powerfull & mighty. I grew up on these stories. We also call him "Ba Anansi" or "Banansi" - Brother Anansi. And in the Dutch Antilles, there are also many stories about them. In Jamaica there are also many stories about him.
Maswartz226 the gods created us to punish the fish. duhhh we over fishing, polluting the water, and are now turning sea water in to fresh water over in a California factory to clearly destroy their ecosystem and the planet. Man humans create the best things ever.
conan263 Sources for that? Gobekli Tepe seems to be an ancient ritual ground, whose importance is related to the complexity of the structures found there compared to the dates at which they were built, but I can't find anything about "2 disasters resetting humanity back to the stone age"... it seems like the cities there *were built* in the stone age in the first place?
But isn't it interesting, that in most of those myths, the flood wasn't unpredictable? After all, mostly some god gave a warning beforehand. Could it be, that the whole "listening to god" part can also hint on observing your surroundings, that are supposed to be gods creation, and look for hints. Like, really cloudy weather.
Well, there certainly existed floods, but it would be hard to argue any one of them being "the" flood. Early human societies all popped up around river valleys for the access and utility it provided. The Tigris and Euphrates were notorious for their unpredictable and violent flooding, so it's likely that several early cities were decimated by flash flooding, and the survivors retold the stories which eventually became the apocalyptic floods which we know today.
Well... it was unpredictable to everyone except the super pious leader who saves the day (except in the roman story). This suggests that to avoid something similar happening again we should look to our religious leaders for guidance.
The sudden end of the younger dryas would have caused massive flooding worldwide. The seas rose something like 400 feet, so any waterside civilization that previously existed another 400 feet below current sea level would have been obliterated.
Yaweh: 40 days. Babylonian gods: 7 days Teamwork enables _such_ efficient apocalyptic miracles. I can't believe God didn't try to find some friends to work with.
Terraconensis Come on. I'm not against you, But see that what Humans wrote 1000 years ago isn't true. I can steal the Bible back then and write "Every non-Christian should be killed" and you would do it.
If religion is gonna distract you, I don't want you on Mars. If you don't know something I don't want to hear "It's god that made it", Get out the classroom. If you want to die believing you will go to Heaven or Hell, I would agree if you could tell me it's real or damn fake.
I remember reading a theory that the reason for all these flood myths in this area of the world was because the Black Sea might have once been a lake that flooded when the Mediterranean broke through the Bosphorus and turned the lake into a sea.
Doesn't water flow from the Black sea, through the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles and into the Agean, part of the Mediterranean? I think it does, because the Black sea is slightly higher than the Mediterranean, and so can not be flooded by it, since water flows from upstream to downstream.
Well the flood myths trace a lot of their story back to a more ancient version of the story, so they likely had only one origin point (from which it spread to folklore). I am not too certain about that one being inspired by such an event, though if you have citations, providing them would be nice.
Its makes sense. Depending on the point in history, water has been flowing in and out of the Black Sea. The only thing that hasn't been proven is whether or not the water could have flown into the Black Sea 5000 years ago. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_deluge_hypothesis
There's quite a few of them, Mesoamerica, China and the Australian Aboriginals all have a flood stories of some kind that play out in a similar fashion to the Near East flood stories.
I mean I think that it happened one way or another, but I wasn't aware of Gobekli Tepe depicting near-apocalyptic disasters. Well time to do some reading then.
As for the flood in the ancient Near East, it was actually localized in Mesopotamia and appears to have been a tsunami that struck from the Persian Gulf. This is well attested in archeology, and Sumerian history. The Sumerians divided their history into a pre-flood, mythical period (where much of their records were lost) and a post-flood period.
I can tell you two flood myths from South America! One from the Mapuche and one from the Avá Guaraní peoples. The Mapuche one is as follows: Back when all the land was mostly flat and one whole landmass, Trentren Vilu and Caicai Vilu were two mythical giant serpents. Caicai Vilu had power over the seas and Trentren Vilu had power over the land and the volcanoes. One day Caicai Vilu appears and starts flooding the land, Trentren Vilu fights her and tries to rise the land to protect it, forming the mountains. The battle lasted a long time. Trentren Vilu reached a costly victory, unable to restore the land to its primeval state leaving it in the dismembered form it still has today (islands, continents, etc). The Avá Guaraní one is also about the battle between two gods, Tunpa (creator of the Avá Guaraní peoples) and Aguará-Tunpa (a powerful and evil supernatural being). Aguará-Tunpa started by setting fire to the land, killing most plants and animals. The Avá Guaraní fled to the rivers and survived by eating fish, so Aguará-Tunpa set out a heavy rain that started flooding the world. Following the instructions of their god Tunpa, the Avá Guaraní put two very young siblings (Cuimbaé and Cuñá, a boy and a girl), over a big "mate" leaf. The leaf floated over the waters saving the kids' lives. When the rain stopped and the water level went down, only muddy land and stranded fish were left. Cuimbaé and Cuñá, cold and hungry, wanted to cook the fish but the flood had extinguished all the fires in the world. Then Cururú, the mythical toad, appeared before them. It had, prudently, saved some ember in his mouth during the flood, and graciously handed the fire over to them.
You should do more videos about pantheons. Here comes a few suggestions: Japanese pantheon Chinese pantheon Egyptian pantheon And a video about Brazilian tales and myths
As a Christian, I really appreciate the dope insight into the significance of water-related practices and events in the bible. Y'all are certified dope 👊
I like the thought that there was an IRL flood one time in Ancient Babylon, and the stories of it became so exaggerated from generation to generation that it eventually evolved into all these flood myths. I bet if we time travelled to it, it wouldn't even be that serious, just some property damage.
Floods today and floods then are hardly comparable damage wise. Irrigation was barely understood so farmland was right on the water and was easily destroyed, taking away food. The majority of the population of most places were also these same farmers living on their riverside farm properties which would be destroyed and drown many who lived at them
well the tsunami in the Indian ocean of the 2000's was pretty bad, and apparently it rained for 2 mil years causing a great extinction event, so maybe there's a small bit of truth to how disastrous it may have been, if it happened.
@@CrowHousePress well I'm assuming you know about the tsunami, look at EONS by Natgeo on UA-cam to learn about the 2 million years of rain. Sorry for the confusion.
The relationship between these myths are very similar to the relationship between the novels Carmilla, Dracula, and Twilight. They're all about the same subject: Vampires. The first was not well known, but set up the subject. The second made the subject promonent in the mind of society. Then the third used the promonence of the subject to became a worldwide phenomenon.
Don't forget The Vampyre by John William Polidori that was written during the same writing competition where Mary Shelley wrote Frankenstein. This book was also important inspiration for Bram Stoker.
The thing is, there have been floods all around the world. They all may have a basis in truth. The flood of Noah and Gilgamesh coexist. Details vary from experience and perhaps corruption. The Biblical language allows for the thought of 'everything under the sky that they see'. Their known world. It really doesn't have to be a global flood. No kidding, you say.
In the islamic tradition (I think it's sad that you don'parallel with the Islamic tradition) Noah asks for the flood. He prays to God sayin'that those who have followed him are known, and none will ever join them, so God (Allah in arabic) should just cleans the earth from the unbelievers. So God told him to gather the believers (not Noah's sons) and build a boat to save themselves. Also in the islamic tradition Noah's son refuses to board the ship sayin'doesn'he doesn'need God's protection .. Noah pleads God to save his son .. But God answers "Do not ask me what you don'know (understand), he is a ill work" to which Noah responds "Forgive me for questionnin'your wisdom" .. Of course that's not the exact quote but the idea is there
Depending on whether they were unclean (in 2s) or clean (in 7s); clean, that is, able to be sacrificed, so there would need to be more than one male-female pair. Noah makes sacrifices when they arrive on land.
One thing you didn't mention: during the Jewish exile to Babylon, Jewish children went to school in Babylon. Another thing we know (from archaeological evidence) is that IN those Babylonian schools, copying out the Babylonian flood myth was one of the ways they taught writing. Therefore, Jews were directly introduced to this food myth
Dunkleosteus by my understanding, the exile in Babylon was long after the writing of genesis. That said, the written Babylonian flood myth also predates the writing of genesis by a large margin, so one or both of them could certainly have had exposure to the other by the time they were no longer purely an oral tradition. My favorite discussion of the biblical myth starts by supposing the Israelites were familiar with the Babylonian version when they penned theirs. Essentially: "no, no. The flood went like THIS."
This is very biased material and his commentary/jokes about the Christian flood at many times imply things that aren't true so please don't stray from your faith because of videos like this. That being said, being raised in a catholic home can also biased so I encourage you to look into it yourself.
The Hindu version is literally the same except the guy's name is different (duh) and we have Fishnu attached to the front. The reason for the flood is also not very clear
Geo Lombardi That touches on something I feel was lost in their jestful comparison there, actually. Numbers were often considered more important as symbol than... actually counting things in the ancient near East. If only this series could find a way to show the myths it explores with some sense of the ancient understanding of them... big ask, since scholars struggle to find such things, but... looking at ancient and/or foreign myth through modern perceptions will always lead to misunderstanding. Maybe all they can do is acknowledge this more often, but, still...
Twisted Tachyon didn't expect to get a reply like that but yes I would assume that crash course could add a better perspective to the meaning of numbers in eastern mythology.
My understanding is that if all the ice in Antarctica and the Arctic melted at the same time it would only raise the coastline about 70 meters. A global submersion of all land within the last 10,000 years isn't even a possibility.
I think that one driving force in this belief is that they were smart enough to notice all the fossilized sea life at deeper ground levels, figured that what was deeper was older, and assume the earth was covered in water sometime way back. Combine that with handed-down stories of a flood by ancient witnesses, and I think they're confidence was high about a world-wide flood in the past.
I loved that bit about a couple throwing stones over their shoulders and people appearing out of nowhere. They didn't even need to bother involving storks in the old ways...
There's some interesting theories on the variations of the flood myth. One is the Black Sea. There's good evidence to suggest that the Black sea was once a lake. At the end of the last ice age there was a sudden massive melting of ice near the Arctic Circle. This caused sea levels to rise; the Atlantic and Mediterranean. This caused water to push through now what is the Bosphorus Straights which flowed into this lake which (to put it lightly) made it burst its banks to create the Black Sea. Ancient settlements were engulfed, not to mention huge areas of land. It gets recorded as myth as history so often is. If it was something to do with the melting ice and sea levels rising then this may have effected areas far larger than whats now the Black Sea. Actually, if the ice melted it was because the Sun was more powerful (at least in the part of the world where the ice was). Therefore, with a stronger Sun there is more evaporation of water from Earth, creating more rain clouds, creating more rain!!! More rain and rising sea levels...hmmm. (Gosh, I impress myself sometimes). Interesting theory.
I wonder if the Proto Indo-Europeans had anything to do with this? Perhaps these flood myths are hints from that long-lost culture, evidence of those we theorize to exist.
Hailstormand Of course it's prevalent. All original civilizations started on fertile rivers. Mesopotamia on the Tigris and Euphrates, Indus on the Indus River, Egypt on the Nile, etc. Rivers tend to flood and when you have a civilization that bases its entire life around a river, it flooding is a massive deal. Some would say massive enough to be written about...
well, a sudden flood caused by some sort of natural disaster far away would leave its mark on the survivors. Things like a natural flood-wall bursting, or a tsunami happening would be attributed to the gods by peoples long ago and be so monumentally freaky that legends would grow.
It's because early civilizations all lives around river valleys which on occasion would flood or that they hear similar stories from neighboring tribes. Early story tellers had a habit of exaggerating their stories.
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Great to know about similarities of the flood. Indian mythology also has a flood story. Please include it. It's awesome than you can ever imagine and most captivating than that of these floods.
Gilgamesh: written in tablets we possess that are a full millennium old (and the story was old at the time - dating back to the time just after the flood that was started by the bolide impact that caused the Burckle Crater) before the Hebrew had writing. They contained the warning from a god, building the ark, pairs of animals, waters to a certain height, landing on a mountain, three birds, sacrifice after the ordeal, and so on. Any wonder why historians suggest the Hebrews "borrowed" (repurposed, adapted, and extended, as happens) this myth for their backstory when they were in captivity in Mesopotamia? Unfortunately, changing the story to have just the single god made him a schizophrenic in need of an anger-management class. Mike - wouldn't it be nice if we could openly jest about the mythology in the bible like we do with the mythology from other cultures?
no. people who jest what others take serious can never be sufficiently severely punished. the same holds true for anyone who does not strictly conform to local customs, such as rubbing blue mud in your bellybutton. that these customs may very well be ridiculous is beside the point.
Why? We used to say: "stick and stones may break my bones, but words will never harm me" - but that's fallen by the wayside with the new snowflake generation that take up arms when someone says "boo".
Rand Huso then perhaps it is time to refrain from the slightest offensive remark lest the new generation use those arms to punish you for offensive transgressions. what you used to say is a lie: hatespeech kills. . and obviously, that would be a good thing: do you suppose Trump could have gotten elected in a society where offensive behaviour always leads to punishment?
I'm not sorry there, little snowflake. I reserve the right to mock what I see as monumentally stupid (like religion). I'm just following the ideas that were held by the likes of Thomas Paine and other revolutionaries. If you can't handle it, best return to your mother's basement.
Rand Huso well, old fogey, i just hope you for you are more bullet proof than republitards playing baseball then. revolutions are awesome, and I think America would be much improved by another - perhaps this time around a little bit more Jacobin in nature. personally, i think it is very ridiculous to claim inalienable rights from supreme beings you dont believe in, so reasonably speaking it would be absurd to pretend you are actually worthy of life, or liberty, or pursuit of happiness. so you really have no reason to object if and when such rights were taken away from you.
327Stargirl because they don't have time to mention all of the flood myths, there's 100s! ❤️ you can share the story if you like and then we can all learn ❤️
You say these civilizations influenced one another because of the same flooding myths, but how do you explain the ancient aztecs flooding myth. these civilizations came never in contact with each other so influence from the Levant, mesophotamia, Greece is impossible
Re: the number 40 in Hebraic Myths. According to my friend's Rabbi, 40 is the biblical equivalent of "a lot" as in "we aren't bothering to count so here's a number." Also, I know you're covering Near East this episode but there is a fun Deluge Myth from South America where a pair of brothers are led to the top of a mountain by a talking llama.
I know he said there are differences between Noah and Utnapishtam, like Noah wasn't given immortality. But there's actually a theory that the original ark builder was in fact Enoch, the man "walked with God, and was not". Turns out there's reason why the names got switched, too.
john pardon Mate, the Grand Canyon is proof for the power of long term erosion, digging through solid rock over thousands and thousands of years. It is not related a sudden huge flooding at all. We know this, because we can date at what time it reached which depth. Also, when the ice age ended, the oceans rose to approximately were they are now (which is quite far from Grand Canyon).
Just because any humans say anything doesn't make it true lol And it is not clearly evidence of anything, its an interpretation of what we see. That would be denying that its possible for faster erosion at all, thus denying science, and there's no science saying that it isn't possible, that's just speculation... Not saying Noah flood story believers are right, just saying those are bad reasons for denying it: "Water flowing over a steeper slope moves faster and causes more erosion" "Faster-moving water has more energy. Therefore, it can carry larger particles. It can carry more particles. What causes water to move faster? The slope of the land over which the water flows is one factor. The steeper the slope, the faster the water flows. Another factor is the amount of water that's in the stream. Streams with a lot of water flow faster than streams that are nearly dry." sites.google.com/site/earthscienceinmaine/erosion-and-deposition-by-flowing-water "Natural rates of erosion are controlled by the action of geomorphic drivers, *such as rainfall*;[2] bedrock wear in rivers; coastal erosion by the sea and waves; glacial plucking, abrasion, and scour; *areal flooding*; wind abrasion; *groundwater processes*; and *mass movement processes* in steep landscapes like landslides and debris flows. *The rates at which such processes act control how fast a surface is eroded*. Typically, physical erosion proceeds fastest on steeply sloping surfaces, *and rates may also be sensitive to some climatically-controlled properties including amounts of water supplied (e.g., by rain)*, storminess, wind speed, wave fetch, or atmospheric temperature (especially for some ice-related processes). Feedbacks are also possible between rates of erosion and the amount of eroded material that is already carried by, for example, a river or glacier.[3][4] Processes of erosion that produce sediment or solutes from a place contrast with those of deposition, which control the arrival and emplacement of material at a new location" (Emphasis mine) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erosion
Flood myths are common across most cultures/religions. I was hoping you'd cover the Hinduism version of it as well, involving Manu(similar to Noah) and Matsya(An avatar of Lord Vishnu, in the form of a fish/ anthropomorphically half human torso/ half fish end), although in this case, Matsya doesn't cause the flood(That could be a demon, there is a scripture saving adventure involved too) but wishes to help Manu survive the flood.
Well there was a massive flood about that time, it just didn't drown the earth like the stories, it was just a large flood that did destroy much of the coastline.
Terraconensis If the Great flood was true, there would be evidence all over the world in the sediment of it happening, but there isn't....because it didn't happen. Yes, there were some large ancient floods that happened that were likely the inspiration for the stories, but they were by no means on a global scale and definitely didn't wipe out all of humanity and animal life except for what was on a single giant boat.
Aww you missed one, there is a Native American flood story where the world is destroyed. This one especially, one on the opposite side of the planet, has made me start to think some gargantuan flood did actually happen in history.
im disappointed that you didn't cover the Jewish story of the nephilim ( children of fallen angels whit mortal humand) which sort of passes the blame to the fallen angels for the great flood which was caused in order tp destroy the nephilim.
Ya’ll believe that two penguins from antarctica trekked all the way to the middle east and got on boat of a 600 y-o man??? Also two kangaroos from Australia swam across the indian ocean tor reach that boat!????? Also if a flood happened then how come do we have freshwater on the planet???? If u believe in that fairy tale u scare me
Well, not really. Why did life appear on Earth? According to science, because it did. There is no other reason to it. And Science doesn't create the "how", it discovers it. Religion and Sciences don't make each other dangerous, Man makes them dangerous by following them blindly, without thought.
People who are interested in these flood myths should do some research on the Burckle crater, a large meteor impact site somewhere in the Indian Ocean that occurred sometime between 2800 and 3000 BCE. An impact of this magnitude would have caused widespread tsunamis in regions bordering the Indian Ocean...coinciding with the origin of a lot of flood myths. Plus, a comet shining brightly in the sky prior to impact would have been an ominous sight indeed. By no means a conclusive connection here, but a very interesting point of departure for further investigation.
And I am SO happy for the Anansi-reference!
Anansi was a West-African spider spirit, who traveled along with the enslaved West-Africans to comfort them - our ancestors.
In my country of origin, Surinam/former Dutch Guyana, we have many folktales about him in which he tricks the high, powerfull & mighty. I grew up on these stories.
We also call him "Ba Anansi" or "Banansi" - Brother Anansi. And in the Dutch Antilles, there are also many stories about them. In Jamaica there are also many stories about him.
Disappointed that you didn't say "Let's....dive in!" at the beginning...
Ugh you're totally right. Missed opportunity right there.
I see the comments got flooded with jokes.
dragonson04 true BUT they got me back with the shuffleboard reference ^^
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So how do gods punish the fish?
Maswartz226 the gods created us to punish the fish. duhhh we over fishing, polluting the water, and are now turning sea water in to fresh water over in a California factory to clearly destroy their ecosystem and the planet. Man humans create the best things ever.
Maswartz226 Some of this guys got fossilized
Plot twist: whilst the land was being flooded, the seas dried up.
They give humans fishing poles and a taste for fried fish.
I guess that they are off the hook then.
thrwoing stones behind your back actually works
I once did that and all of a sudden there was this angry guy yelling at me
Man such an ungrateful emo kid. Yelling at u for giving him life lol
Sounds like there may have been some religious plagiarism going on. Who gets sued and in what jurisdiction?
Most Abrahamic religions' stories are basically spinoffs of the Sumerian religion.
Celestial court?
I sue the religions of the books for:
Plaigarising my Copyrighted flood idea.
ZoroAstrianism can get away b'cuz i said so.
conan263 Sources for that? Gobekli Tepe seems to be an ancient ritual ground, whose importance is related to the complexity of the structures found there compared to the dates at which they were built, but I can't find anything about "2 disasters resetting humanity back to the stone age"... it seems like the cities there *were built* in the stone age in the first place?
Butool I think the statute of limitations MIGHT just have run out on that one.
But isn't it interesting, that in most of those myths, the flood wasn't unpredictable? After all, mostly some god gave a warning beforehand. Could it be, that the whole "listening to god" part can also hint on observing your surroundings, that are supposed to be gods creation, and look for hints. Like, really cloudy weather.
Well, there certainly existed floods, but it would be hard to argue any one of them being "the" flood. Early human societies all popped up around river valleys for the access and utility it provided. The Tigris and Euphrates were notorious for their unpredictable and violent flooding, so it's likely that several early cities were decimated by flash flooding, and the survivors retold the stories which eventually became the apocalyptic floods which we know today.
Well... it was unpredictable to everyone except the super pious leader who saves the day (except in the roman story).
This suggests that to avoid something similar happening again we should look to our religious leaders for guidance.
Religious texts telling you to do what religious leaders say, what a coincidence
Melon Lord fu
The sudden end of the younger dryas would have caused massive flooding worldwide. The seas rose something like 400 feet, so any waterside civilization that previously existed another 400 feet below current sea level would have been obliterated.
Yaweh: 40 days. Babylonian gods: 7 days
Teamwork enables _such_ efficient apocalyptic miracles. I can't believe God didn't try to find some friends to work with.
They all have common myths because it really happened. The Great flood is true. The Bible is the truth.
Terraconensis that doesn't make sense
The Bible is the word of God. 2 Tim 3:16.
Terraconensis Come on. I'm not against you, But see that what Humans wrote 1000 years ago isn't true. I can steal the Bible back then and write "Every non-Christian should be killed" and you would do it.
If religion is gonna distract you, I don't want you on Mars. If you don't know something I don't want to hear "It's god that made it", Get out the classroom. If you want to die believing you will go to Heaven or Hell, I would agree if you could tell me it's real or damn fake.
I remember reading a theory that the reason for all these flood myths in this area of the world was because the Black Sea might have once been a lake that flooded when the Mediterranean broke through the Bosphorus and turned the lake into a sea.
Doesn't water flow from the Black sea, through the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles and into the Agean, part of the Mediterranean? I think it does, because the Black sea is slightly higher than the Mediterranean, and so can not be flooded by it, since water flows from upstream to downstream.
I don't know. It's just something I read about briefly. I didn't spend hours researching it. I just thought the theory was interesting for this video
Well the flood myths trace a lot of their story back to a more ancient version of the story, so they likely had only one origin point (from which it spread to folklore). I am not too certain about that one being inspired by such an event, though if you have citations, providing them would be nice.
Its makes sense. Depending on the point in history, water has been flowing in and out of the Black Sea. The only thing that hasn't been proven is whether or not the water could have flown into the Black Sea 5000 years ago.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_deluge_hypothesis
I know I'm late but if these stories are all over the world then it really wouldn't make sense.
Now I'm curious about flood myths in non-meditteranean cultures.
There's quite a few of them, Mesoamerica, China and the Australian Aboriginals all have a flood stories of some kind that play out in a similar fashion to the Near East flood stories.
I mean I think that it happened one way or another, but I wasn't aware of Gobekli Tepe depicting near-apocalyptic disasters. Well time to do some reading then.
As for the flood in the ancient Near East, it was actually localized in Mesopotamia and appears to have been a tsunami that struck from the Persian Gulf. This is well attested in archeology, and Sumerian history. The Sumerians divided their history into a pre-flood, mythical period (where much of their records were lost) and a post-flood period.
I can tell you two flood myths from South America! One from the Mapuche and one from the Avá Guaraní peoples.
The Mapuche one is as follows: Back when all the land was mostly flat and one whole landmass, Trentren Vilu and Caicai Vilu were two mythical giant serpents. Caicai Vilu had power over the seas and Trentren Vilu had power over the land and the volcanoes. One day Caicai Vilu appears and starts flooding the land, Trentren Vilu fights her and tries to rise the land to protect it, forming the mountains. The battle lasted a long time. Trentren Vilu reached a costly victory, unable to restore the land to its primeval state leaving it in the dismembered form it still has today (islands, continents, etc).
The Avá Guaraní one is also about the battle between two gods, Tunpa (creator of the Avá Guaraní peoples) and Aguará-Tunpa (a powerful and evil supernatural being). Aguará-Tunpa started by setting fire to the land, killing most plants and animals. The Avá Guaraní fled to the rivers and survived by eating fish, so Aguará-Tunpa set out a heavy rain that started flooding the world. Following the instructions of their god Tunpa, the Avá Guaraní put two very young siblings (Cuimbaé and Cuñá, a boy and a girl), over a big "mate" leaf. The leaf floated over the waters saving the kids' lives. When the rain stopped and the water level went down, only muddy land and stranded fish were left. Cuimbaé and Cuñá, cold and hungry, wanted to cook the fish but the flood had extinguished all the fires in the world. Then Cururú, the mythical toad, appeared before them. It had, prudently, saved some ember in his mouth during the flood, and graciously handed the fire over to them.
India has a flood story too. It's never really told who causes the flood, just that Vishnu saves the usual batch of all species.
Such great source material, and yet...the Russell Crowe "Noah" movie such a let down...
‘Something mild. Like. A plague’
You should do more videos about pantheons. Here comes a few suggestions:
Japanese pantheon
Chinese pantheon
Egyptian pantheon
And a video about Brazilian tales and myths
I forgot you guys already made a video about Egyptian pantheon, my bad
Hats off to your creative content!
You really inspire to make interesting content so that people watch more and more!
Love this series.
Suggestion: Please do provide references/books, would love to read them.
As a Christian, I really appreciate the dope insight into the significance of water-related practices and events in the bible. Y'all are certified dope 👊
The story of 'Manu' from Hindu mythology resembles these mythologies too! Could have included it.
Yash Gupta should include Kumari Kandam in your hindu mythology too.
Manou,minos, mises, moses
I really love this channel, it just has some really good videos I love to watch almost all the time
UA-cam is a website that has a lot of good videos.
yes
Pyrrha survived in the Roman flood myth, and in our hearts...but not in Volume 3.
Grace Snyder :(
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I was looking for this comment 😭
Eh Rick Riordan reference?
Nope, RWBY.
I like the thought that there was an IRL flood one time in Ancient Babylon, and the stories of it became so exaggerated from generation to generation that it eventually evolved into all these flood myths. I bet if we time travelled to it, it wouldn't even be that serious, just some property damage.
Floods today and floods then are hardly comparable damage wise. Irrigation was barely understood so farmland was right on the water and was easily destroyed, taking away food. The majority of the population of most places were also these same farmers living on their riverside farm properties which would be destroyed and drown many who lived at them
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well the tsunami in the Indian ocean of the 2000's was pretty bad, and apparently it rained for 2 mil years causing a great extinction event, so maybe there's a small bit of truth to how disastrous it may have been, if it happened.
@@Jimmys_Place 2 million years???
@@CrowHousePress well I'm assuming you know about the tsunami, look at EONS by Natgeo on UA-cam to learn about the 2 million years of rain. Sorry for the confusion.
I'd love a film or series which explores all of the flood myths, as though they were all happening at the same time.
The relationship between these myths are very similar to the relationship between the novels Carmilla, Dracula, and Twilight. They're all about the same subject: Vampires.
The first was not well known, but set up the subject. The second made the subject promonent in the mind of society. Then the third used the promonence of the subject to became a worldwide phenomenon.
Interesting analogy.
Don't forget The Vampyre by John William Polidori that was written during the same writing competition where Mary Shelley wrote Frankenstein. This book was also important inspiration for Bram Stoker.
yep cannibals exists
The thing is, there have been floods all around the world. They all may have a basis in truth. The flood of Noah and Gilgamesh coexist. Details vary from experience and perhaps corruption. The Biblical language allows for the thought of 'everything under the sky that they see'. Their known world. It really doesn't have to be a global flood. No kidding, you say.
You must also refer to the flood myth in Hinduism in the context of Vishnu's first avatar - Matsya Avatar.
"Remember gods, only you can prevent heaven-fires" - brilliant! 🤣
This series is so wonderfully wholesome and educational, it's a balm.
In the islamic tradition (I think it's sad that you don'parallel with the Islamic tradition) Noah asks for the flood. He prays to God sayin'that those who have followed him are known, and none will ever join them, so God (Allah in arabic) should just cleans the earth from the unbelievers. So God told him to gather the believers (not Noah's sons) and build a boat to save themselves. Also in the islamic tradition Noah's son refuses to board the ship sayin'doesn'he doesn'need God's protection .. Noah pleads God to save his son .. But God answers "Do not ask me what you don'know (understand), he is a ill work" to which Noah responds "Forgive me for questionnin'your wisdom" .. Of course that's not the exact quote but the idea is there
They grouped all Abrahamic flood myths together, they're similar enough anyway
One fun fact about Noah is that while some animals came 2 by 2, some came in groups of 7s.
Depending on whether they were unclean (in 2s) or clean (in 7s); clean, that is, able to be sacrificed, so there would need to be more than one male-female pair. Noah makes sacrifices when they arrive on land.
One thing you didn't mention: during the Jewish exile to Babylon, Jewish children went to school in Babylon. Another thing we know (from archaeological evidence) is that IN those Babylonian schools, copying out the Babylonian flood myth was one of the ways they taught writing. Therefore, Jews were directly introduced to this food myth
Dunkleosteus by my understanding, the exile in Babylon was long after the writing of genesis. That said, the written Babylonian flood myth also predates the writing of genesis by a large margin, so one or both of them could certainly have had exposure to the other by the time they were no longer purely an oral tradition. My favorite discussion of the biblical myth starts by supposing the Israelites were familiar with the Babylonian version when they penned theirs. Essentially: "no, no. The flood went like THIS."
Twisted Tachyon Abraham lived in the Sumerian city Ur and probably learned a lot of their myths too
Yhwh: *i won't kill every thing on earth ever again*
Also yhwh in revelations: *KILL IT ALL WITH FIRE!!!*
i was raised in a catholic family and watching this stuff is like a new world for me! thank you!
This is very biased material and his commentary/jokes about the Christian flood at many times imply things that aren't true so please don't stray from your faith because of videos like this. That being said, being raised in a catholic home can also biased so I encourage you to look into it yourself.
"Something mild... like a plague"
I absolutely LOVE learning about ancient religions
Thanks for quoting that part in Genesis 6, they're several interesting parts a lot of people glaze over.
The Hindu version is literally the same except the guy's name is different (duh) and we have Fishnu attached to the front. The reason for the flood is also not very clear
Fishnu! lol! I'm totally gonna use that!
Kumari Kandam is also the same flood myth which Indians neglect for some reason
I like how Zoroastrianism sees the problem with immortality
"So kids that's how babies are made, no questions asked!"
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I love the new series!
You know, I never really got the specifics of the Yggdrasil. You guys should try maybe tackling it?
Sad there was no new video last week. Hope there's one this week. Great series!
"Yay! We survived the flood!... You're gonna do WHAT?" LOL!
the number 40 in the Bible is a symbol of preparation and purification.
Geo Lombardi That touches on something I feel was lost in their jestful comparison there, actually. Numbers were often considered more important as symbol than... actually counting things in the ancient near East. If only this series could find a way to show the myths it explores with some sense of the ancient understanding of them... big ask, since scholars struggle to find such things, but... looking at ancient and/or foreign myth through modern perceptions will always lead to misunderstanding.
Maybe all they can do is acknowledge this more often, but, still...
Twisted Tachyon didn't expect to get a reply like that but yes I would assume that crash course could add a better perspective to the meaning of numbers in eastern mythology.
My understanding is that if all the ice in Antarctica and the Arctic melted at the same time it would only raise the coastline about 70 meters. A global submersion of all land within the last 10,000 years isn't even a possibility.
Loving this series so much! On my day off I'll rewatch all vids from the first episode.
I think that one driving force in this belief is that they were smart enough to notice all the fossilized sea life at deeper ground levels, figured that what was deeper was older, and assume the earth was covered in water sometime way back. Combine that with handed-down stories of a flood by ancient witnesses, and I think they're confidence was high about a world-wide flood in the past.
I loved that bit about a couple throwing stones over their shoulders and people appearing out of nowhere. They didn't even need to bother involving storks in the old ways...
That Ark painting at 3:22 is legit. Who made that and where can I see it in person??
Thank you varana312! Just one more reason to take a trip to the Smithsonian.
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missed the Hindu food myth - first avatar of Vishnu(evolution of god)
Mike you’re such a wholesome dude
This story is the same in Hinduism/Buddhism/Sikhism ,Greek Mythology with Noah replaced by Manu(Manoh)
I repeated over and over the part of the animals’ disappointment. I’ve laughed so hard. Thanks Mike! You’re awesome
Do any of the flood myths explain kangaroos?
nothing can explain kangaroo's.
Somebody's been watching Jim Jefferies :)
Dave Hughes Noah’s ark has a back bone check out DR Kent Hovind it really did happen
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No it didn’t.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Do an episode on Egypt/Kemet PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
I disagree. Obviously the best way to survive a divine flood is to have an epic mountain top fortress!
There's some interesting theories on the variations of the flood myth. One is the Black Sea. There's good evidence to suggest that the Black sea was once a lake. At the end of the last ice age there was a sudden massive melting of ice near the Arctic Circle. This caused sea levels to rise; the Atlantic and Mediterranean. This caused water to push through now what is the Bosphorus Straights which flowed into this lake which (to put it lightly) made it burst its banks to create the Black Sea. Ancient settlements were engulfed, not to mention huge areas of land. It gets recorded as myth as history so often is.
If it was something to do with the melting ice and sea levels rising then this may have effected areas far larger than whats now the Black Sea. Actually, if the ice melted it was because the Sun was more powerful (at least in the part of the world where the ice was). Therefore, with a stronger Sun there is more evaporation of water from Earth, creating more rain clouds, creating more rain!!! More rain and rising sea levels...hmmm. (Gosh, I impress myself sometimes).
Interesting theory.
I wonder if the Proto Indo-Europeans had anything to do with this? Perhaps these flood myths are hints from that long-lost culture, evidence of those we theorize to exist.
well, neither the hebrews or mesopotamians were indo european
Knuf Wons Maybe it signifies the end of the ice age.
@@alicev5496 ''well, neither the hebrews or mesopotamians were indo european'' true but there have been ancient exchanges
Best episode ever
Something mild... like a plague. Hilarious 😂
"...something mild, like a plague." Brilliant
This myth is very prevalent in the world that it does keep one wondering.
Hailstormand Indeed...
Hailstormand Of course it's prevalent. All original civilizations started on fertile rivers. Mesopotamia on the Tigris and Euphrates, Indus on the Indus River, Egypt on the Nile, etc. Rivers tend to flood and when you have a civilization that bases its entire life around a river, it flooding is a massive deal. Some would say massive enough to be written about...
Wondering about what?
well, a sudden flood caused by some sort of natural disaster far away would leave its mark on the survivors. Things like a natural flood-wall bursting, or a tsunami happening would be attributed to the gods by peoples long ago and be so monumentally freaky that legends would grow.
It's because early civilizations all lives around river valleys which on occasion would flood or that they hear similar stories from neighboring tribes. Early story tellers had a habit of exaggerating their stories.
Please keep making amazing and educational videos like this, I love you genius people down at CC please know that you guys are amazing. Love you people.
at 3:20 ... the Raven doesn't return, therefore it found Dry Land. Another possibility is that it died. Logical Fallacy at play here.
Well, seeing that we're talking about imaginary stuff here, I don't think logic is the biggest player.
GODS DAMN IT! I can't "Thumb" this video up more than once!
NOAH! YES!
They all have common myths because it really happened. The Great flood is true. The Bible is the truth.
So many cultures have the Santa myth. Santa must be true!
But... what if the Bible ripped the Flood from other cultures?!?
Noah is my homie
Andrew The story of Santa is actually based off a real person. He was a monk or priest or something.
Great to know about similarities of the flood. Indian mythology also has a flood story. Please include it. It's awesome than you can ever imagine and most captivating than that of these floods.
Gilgamesh: written in tablets we possess that are a full millennium old (and the story was old at the time - dating back to the time just after the flood that was started by the bolide impact that caused the Burckle Crater) before the Hebrew had writing. They contained the warning from a god, building the ark, pairs of animals, waters to a certain height, landing on a mountain, three birds, sacrifice after the ordeal, and so on. Any wonder why historians suggest the Hebrews "borrowed" (repurposed, adapted, and extended, as happens) this myth for their backstory when they were in captivity in Mesopotamia? Unfortunately, changing the story to have just the single god made him a schizophrenic in need of an anger-management class.
Mike - wouldn't it be nice if we could openly jest about the mythology in the bible like we do with the mythology from other cultures?
no. people who jest what others take serious can never be sufficiently severely punished.
the same holds true for anyone who does not strictly conform to local customs, such as rubbing blue mud in your bellybutton.
that these customs may very well be ridiculous is beside the point.
Why? We used to say: "stick and stones may break my bones, but words will never harm me" - but that's fallen by the wayside with the new snowflake generation that take up arms when someone says "boo".
Rand Huso then perhaps it is time to refrain from the slightest offensive remark lest the new generation use those arms to punish you for offensive transgressions.
what you used to say is a lie: hatespeech kills.
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and obviously, that would be a good thing: do you suppose Trump could have gotten elected in a society where offensive behaviour always leads to punishment?
I'm not sorry there, little snowflake. I reserve the right to mock what I see as monumentally stupid (like religion). I'm just following the ideas that were held by the likes of Thomas Paine and other revolutionaries. If you can't handle it, best return to your mother's basement.
Rand Huso well, old fogey, i just hope you for you are more bullet proof than republitards playing baseball then.
revolutions are awesome, and I think America would be much improved by another - perhaps this time around a little bit more Jacobin in nature.
personally, i think it is very ridiculous to claim inalienable rights from supreme beings you dont believe in, so reasonably speaking it would be absurd to pretend you are actually worthy of life, or liberty, or pursuit of happiness. so you really have no reason to object if and when such rights were taken away from you.
(Mike's wearing defective water wings)
Crash Course closed captions are one of their best comedic strategies
Why did you not talk about the Hindu flood myth? It is similar to all of these other flood stories.
327Stargirl because they don't have time to mention all of the flood myths, there's 100s! ❤️ you can share the story if you like and then we can all learn ❤️
This is a great series.
You say these civilizations influenced one another because of the same flooding myths, but how do you explain the ancient aztecs flooding myth. these civilizations came never in contact with each other so influence from the Levant, mesophotamia, Greece is impossible
Re: the number 40 in Hebraic Myths. According to my friend's Rabbi, 40 is the biblical equivalent of "a lot" as in "we aren't bothering to count so here's a number."
Also, I know you're covering Near East this episode but there is a fun Deluge Myth from South America where a pair of brothers are led to the top of a mountain by a talking llama.
what if this all happened at the same time
I know he said there are differences between Noah and Utnapishtam, like Noah wasn't given immortality. But there's actually a theory that the original ark builder was in fact Enoch, the man "walked with God, and was not". Turns out there's reason why the names got switched, too.
Isn't the swim trunks thing at the beginning making light of a grave situation?
I love this series!! I hope to see more merchandise for this series in the future
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Great video, but I wish you had mentioned Manu from Hindu mythology.
Utkarsh Bansal wish indians would mention about Kumari Kandam from hindu mythology too
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Fantastic video, love how you compare the different versions of the flood. PS: 40 vs 7 days? seems like teamwork wins this time :D
maybe there actually was a great flood. such as when the ice age ended?
i think too that this is a logical idea. there is scientific proof for it too. for example the grand canyon.
john pardon
Mate, the Grand Canyon is proof for the power of long term erosion, digging through solid rock over thousands and thousands of years. It is not related a sudden huge flooding at all. We know this, because we can date at what time it reached which depth.
Also, when the ice age ended, the oceans rose to approximately were they are now (which is quite far from Grand Canyon).
Just because any humans say anything doesn't make it true lol And it is not clearly evidence of anything, its an interpretation of what we see. That would be denying that its possible for faster erosion at all, thus denying science, and there's no science saying that it isn't possible, that's just speculation... Not saying Noah flood story believers are right, just saying those are bad reasons for denying it:
"Water flowing over a steeper slope moves faster and causes more erosion"
"Faster-moving water has more energy. Therefore, it can carry larger particles. It can carry more particles. What causes water to move faster? The slope of the land over which the water flows is one factor. The steeper the slope, the faster the water flows. Another factor is the amount of water that's in the stream. Streams with a lot of water flow faster than streams that are nearly dry."
sites.google.com/site/earthscienceinmaine/erosion-and-deposition-by-flowing-water
"Natural rates of erosion are controlled by the action of geomorphic drivers, *such as rainfall*;[2] bedrock wear in rivers; coastal erosion by the sea and waves; glacial plucking, abrasion, and scour; *areal flooding*; wind abrasion; *groundwater processes*; and *mass movement processes* in steep landscapes like landslides and debris flows. *The rates at which such processes act control how fast a surface is eroded*. Typically, physical erosion proceeds fastest on steeply sloping surfaces, *and rates may also be sensitive to some climatically-controlled properties including amounts of water supplied (e.g., by rain)*, storminess, wind speed, wave fetch, or atmospheric temperature (especially for some ice-related processes). Feedbacks are also possible between rates of erosion and the amount of eroded material that is already carried by, for example, a river or glacier.[3][4] Processes of erosion that produce sediment or solutes from a place contrast with those of deposition, which control the arrival and emplacement of material at a new location" (Emphasis mine)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erosion
Flood myths are common across most cultures/religions. I was hoping you'd cover the Hinduism version of it as well, involving Manu(similar to Noah) and Matsya(An avatar of Lord Vishnu, in the form of a fish/ anthropomorphically half human torso/ half fish end), although in this case, Matsya doesn't cause the flood(That could be a demon, there is a scripture saving adventure involved too) but wishes to help Manu survive the flood.
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You can't have "an acre of circumference" (ref 2:19), a circumference is a circular line, an acre is an area.
Altitude sickness didn't exist in those days. Climb Mt. Everest without an oxygen mask and see how you feel. I know, magic!
I hope you would include some Philippine myths on the future episodes 👍🏽
Flood myths are nice stories. Problem is when some people believe they actually happened...
maybe really happens. If all life come of the sea, maybe that was a ancestral memory.
Water is often a symbol of chaos. That's real. And you can drown in it. Look at the middle east. Still.
Well there was a massive flood about that time, it just didn't drown the earth like the stories, it was just a large flood that did destroy much of the coastline.
They all have common myths because it really happened. The Great flood is true. The Bible is the truth.
Terraconensis If the Great flood was true, there would be evidence all over the world in the sediment of it happening, but there isn't....because it didn't happen. Yes, there were some large ancient floods that happened that were likely the inspiration for the stories, but they were by no means on a global scale and definitely didn't wipe out all of humanity and animal life except for what was on a single giant boat.
Can you do one on the Mahabharata or Hindu Puranas please? :D
Aww you missed one, there is a Native American flood story where the world is destroyed. This one especially, one on the opposite side of the planet, has made me start to think some gargantuan flood did actually happen in history.
Adam Case they didn't this is near east only myth wise
I wouldn't be too surprised. flood myths are even heard in Chinese culture
Or, just normal floods everywhere.
So...you rather listen to a story that has been shown to be a common human trait rather than the hard science that says it never happened. Okay...
I'd rather bet on the idea thet floods might be pretty common on earth then that there was one big one ;)
Water wings, cute touch. :)
im disappointed that you didn't cover the Jewish story of the nephilim ( children of fallen angels whit mortal humand) which sort of passes the blame to the fallen angels for the great flood which was caused in order tp destroy the nephilim.
The way Gilamesh was described ( part divine and part human ) it seems like he was a Nephilim himself.
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Wow!! Amazing information. Please please do a video on Kumari Kandam. It is another flood myth story.
Ya’ll believe that two penguins from antarctica trekked all the way to the middle east and got on boat of a 600 y-o man??? Also two kangaroos from Australia swam across the indian ocean tor reach that boat!????? Also if a flood happened then how come do we have freshwater on the planet???? If u believe in that fairy tale u scare me
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Creeping things: Woah there matey, YOU made us like this!
Science and religion make each other dangerous even.
Science creates the How and religion makes the why.
Bollocks, Science discovers the how and religions fabricates the "why".
MZXD Not exactly... Not in all cases, in some our science had to catch up to the texts.
EagleZtoTheGrave give examples
Well, not really. Why did life appear on Earth? According to science, because it did. There is no other reason to it. And Science doesn't create the "how", it discovers it. Religion and Sciences don't make each other dangerous, Man makes them dangerous by following them blindly, without thought.
Yaume Lepire though I agree with your sentiments. The answer to why is there life on Earth according to science is I don't know, not just cause
Great channel! I was wondering if you'd consider a criminology series? Many thanks
Make a video on Mythology: The End of The World!
Thank you for these videos.
Thanks, Mike. Informative as always.
That unexpected turn, about how babies are made, just cracked me up....
People who are interested in these flood myths should do some research on the Burckle crater, a large meteor impact site somewhere in the Indian Ocean that occurred sometime between 2800 and 3000 BCE. An impact of this magnitude would have caused widespread tsunamis in regions bordering the Indian Ocean...coinciding with the origin of a lot of flood myths. Plus, a comet shining brightly in the sky prior to impact would have been an ominous sight indeed. By no means a conclusive connection here, but a very interesting point of departure for further investigation.