Comparing Strat-O-Matic Baseball vs Statis Pro Baseball
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
- I have a comparison video of Statis Pro Baseball to Strat-O-Matic Baseball (card and dice, of course, since Statis Pro doesn't have a PC version). This is a high level overview comparison of the two games...I don't get down into the nuts and bolts of the workings of the games or walk through an inning or two of each. This video just attempts to show the inherent differences in the two games. I apologize for the lack of sharpness in the video when I discuss Strat-O-Matic baseball. For some reason, the camera recorded it vertically so I had to turn it in the video editor and that caused it to be a little blurry.
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I speculate Statis Pro rates their pitchers by how well they did against their league competition better than league average. If a pitcher gets more results from his card it's a way of circumventing the SOM possible random skewing of too many dice rolls on a batters card. That is just the nature of the randomness with variance. The closes one can get, which isn't perfect, is sampling without replacement. Simple example, as a batter hits or a pitcher pitches the result is removed from their result table. A batter that was 100 for 300 ab's gets a hit now his results left are 99 for 299 ab's and the same process is done to the pitcher side. Basically, the hitter went from a .333 hitter to a .331 hitter. So the skewing of randomness with luck variance is some what contained within each player's own sphere of influence.
Hey Bob - great video! Statis Pro was my first baseball game. I got Statis Pro baseball & basketball at the same time in 1979.
Re: between Strat & Statis Pro, I like both. Like w Payoff Pitch, I would lean toward SP in the pitcher-batter interaction which takes SP out of the pure 50/50 method of play.
What you mentioned about SP & the Mickey Klutz card: I MUCH prefer how Strat handles it. I don't want badly skewed outlier cards impacting games. Takes away from the realism. Tip of the cap to Strat for doing a better job there.
Bottom like: I like both games but probably would give the edge to Strat.
Enjoyed the review Sportsman. I'm a totally vested SOM PC baseball and football player. SOM baseball cards both pitcher and batter are based on pro rated team competition faced excluding their own team stats. Simple example, a .300 hitter faces an overall pitcher allowed average of .200, then his batter card would bat .400. (1/2 * .400)+(1/2 * .200) = .300 batter hitting. Of course, all the pitchers stats overall may represent a league average of .250. Both batter and pitcher sides are formulated based on competition faced.
I found one major flaw in Stratomatic. Pitchers who seldom gave up home runs in real life would give up much higher ratios of homers to innings pitched in Stratomatic -- and hence their e.r.a. would be far higher than in real life. This could easily double a reliever's e.r.a. The cause is that if the at bat ends up on the batter's card, there's nothing to stop the pitcher from giving up a home run. I routinely had relievers who had actually allowed two home runs a year or less giving up 5-8 homers off the batter's cards.
Conversely, a batter who goes 600 at bats without a single home run could hit 5-10 home runs off the pitcher's card.
I never found any way around this fundamental flaw.
Well, in the advanced game a WEAK batter wouldn't have a HR on his card and in many cases would not be able to get one off the pitcher, either. It would instead be a SINGLE**
@@sportsmanz5948 I haven't played since the '80s. By "advanced" are you referring to something newer than the '80s? If so, how would it go about preventing a weak power hitter from getting a home run off the pitcher's card?
@@GeraldM_inNC I think they had the advanced game out in the 80's. But, a batter will be designated as either normal for power or weak vs. each handed pitcher. If a roll of a HR happens on the pitcher's card and it's a HR, it will usually say HR N, which means a HR for a normal power hitter. If the batter is Weak, they would instead get a SINGLE**. Email me at bobzuhlke@gmail.com (if you want) and I can send you an image to see what I mean.
@@sportsmanz5948 That must have taken place after 1982, the last time I purchased. And how does the "advanced" game prevent a reliever who allowed zero homers from allowing homers on the batter card? I had relievers whose e.r.a.'s were doubled because of homers off the batter' s card.
@@GeraldM_inNC It actually DOESN'T prevent that, unfortunately. It also doesn't prevent a pitcher who never walked anyone (David Wells) from walking way too many guys.
I got Statis Pro in 1984 and enjoyed it but at the time I purchased it (along with SOM Football), it was a thing where I wanted to try a game from each publisher and the football game SOM put out seemed superior to Avalon Hill's product. These were the first sports sims that I have any real recollection of acquiring, though I got a card game NBA sim in my senior year of HS. It might have been Negamco. Anyway, I kept going back in the game store located in the long since now-condemned Regency Mall in Augusta, Georgia and eventually got SOM baseball, as well. I liked the way Statis Pro handled the pitcher batter confrontation (the old saw that good pitching stops good hitting) but SOM advanced has the left / right splits whereas Statis Pro had a generic rule to address platoon situations. Of, course, Derrick Beckner with his Statis Pro Advanced game has addressed that issue, years after Avalon Hill stopped publishing the game.
They are both excellent games...just different.
Statis Pro Advanced is almost a completely different (and better) game than the original product.
I had been a statis pro person for decades after having been strat person before hand. Now, however, I am a strat-o-matic fan as my hands shake enough to make flipping the FAC far too difficult. Now I need to an assistant to keep score for me as I have difficulty reading my hand writing. (edit) I have recently revisited Sherco Baseball as it is also a dice game. Not as quick as strat-o-matic, but it does have it's charm.
Ahhh ❤
Never played Statis Pro, but Dice Baseball is based on the SP system from what I understand, and I have played the demo for that game. I like that system, but Dice Baseball uses dice (not cards, obviously) and it has the problem of games running a bit too long, and having to use too many die rolls to get an at-bat result. You roll to see if the pitcher is in control, if not, then you roll on the batters card, get the result, then if it is a hit, you roll again to see where the ball was hit, then you roll again to check for errors. You don't roll for errors on a pitchers result, so if you have a pitcher who is dealing then the game goes a bit quicker. It actually drags the game out to have the hitters be dominant. It does have the pitcher fatigue rating, and a nice injury and random event charts for some really fun chrome to the system though.
Strat-O-Matic is still my favorite Baseball game, but I haven't played a lot of them like APBA or Replay Baseball. Hopefully I will one day.
The Statis Pro box you show in your thumbnail is an entirely different game from "regular" Statis Pro Baseball; it uses an APBA-like dice roll mechanic
Thnx for the vid. Enjoy your games.
Dude, the bowing shelves are classic! 😂 ♥️⚾ Stratomatic over Status Pro hands down.
When i was a kid, my friend had strat o matic, and i had statis pro baseball. But for some reason, we played statis pro baseball all the time. Maybe it was easier, im not sure. I would love to get back into statis pro. Is there any way to get seasons after 1991? I believe that was the last yr they published. I could be wrong, though.
As a kid strat-o-matic was expensive so I played negamco.
Strat Rules, Nothing beats the 50/50 game engine for unpredictability in my opinion. I like Statis-Pro, But I’m not big on FAC’s being used in a season replay, I feel I would be shuffling the cards quite a bit to get the randomness in results I would be happy with. The other issue I have with Statis-Pro is I’m not to fond of how they implemented the Pitcher Rat on every at bat, A good pitcher with a large Rating spread on his card is going to dominate almost every at bat and that to me hurts the realism of the Batters opportunity to get a hit. Thanks Bob
Yes, I've noticed that about Statis Pro.
Payoff Pitch is the new King of baseball Sims!☺️
@@ronsperski7132 You’re Kidding, Right?
@@ronsperski7132 Very good game. I like how it integrates the pitcher w/ the batter for a result.
@@bruinsfan9645 For me it is now.Started in SOM in 1981 but the lack of seasons they offer now are a huge turnoff.Strat super advanced has way too many errors also.
SOM wins....no contest.
stratomatic handles fielding much better than statis pro. in statis pro fielding range is not included really...only a clutch rating that does not completely reflect a fielder's ability to make difficult plays. s-o-m fielder ratings are in my opinion spot on. a "1" rated SS is very valuable. but if you have a "4" rated 1B, he better hit. basic s-o-m is easy and quick to play. SP is fun but w/o fielding range, it's incomplete IMO.
All true. Statis Pro takes quite a while to play. Even if you know the game well.
You like Strat the best! Who are you kidding?
Mickey Klutts, 1981 season....
Ahhh yes. Great Statis Pro card.