Yu-Gi-Oh! World Championship 2024 Drama
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You're completely missing one key aspect. He used a third party software to get info on cards that weren't even played as well.
Remember back when Joshua won a YCS with bystial Runick synchro and gave an example of people being afraid to imperm/veiler his cards while cartesia was on his field even though he didn't play gran. If someone leaked his deck list for that event I don't think he would have won. Him not playing a card people would expect him to be using out played all his opponents. It's not something that would be known anyway with how good he was at recycling cards back into his extra so people could never be 100% he didn't play the Gran even up to the finals. People still played around the possibility he played it
@@tensixtag9265 get lost obviously rage baiter keyboard warrior.
They completely do see the point. I fully agree with Mkohl40s take about open vs closed decklist. Unless hand seeing cards become super super common I think an open decklist is fine, probably not for side decks but for main decks I don’t think it ruins enough decks to be a problem
Gentleman's agreement Patrick hoban djinn lock lol
Integrity for a world championship, the highest level of competition all year, should always be players > viewers.
Big part of the 3vs3 and shared card pools is deck building. A certain CC uploading decklists was as ass as could be. Not all decks were uploaded at the same time. Not all people have the time to check them between rounds. Some will get an edge, some wont (although i do believe that players at this level uphold their integrity themselves and not look it up).
You dont rock up with deck to a tournament and tell your opponent i dont play handtraps when they are going first either.
The integrity of a tournament is always in doubt. Sure releasing an open deck list during round 1 can help players on round 2. However, if integrity was kept the player who noticed this should bring it up with other players/staff. Konami is ultimately responsible to see possible outside influence with a tournament. Imo at the highest level like the world's open deck list is a net positive.
@lrvalv8312 open deck list is only a positive if it's decided before hand.
You can't change that after the decks are already decided. A lot of the lists were built around the fact that they could have an edge in particular matchups because they had to share a card pool across all 3 players on the team.
No matter what you think is best, changing the plan mid event is fucked and should never happen
did you see the salamagreat player straight shark for the win and no judge called it. raging has to already be in GY. it cant be popped and then summon itself. in semi finals
@@coffeedudeable I agree with 100%. I am not saying what was done was 100% the right move but I am also saying it is not wrong either imo. The reason I am 50 50 is bc the 3rd party that retrieved the deck list was sponsoring one of the players however he did say he cut ties with them after the fact but still this plays for me
Guys they walked away with some card and a game mat. It’s not that serious
This isnt a debate. What dkayed did was unacceptable and selfish. He tried to make himself the main character of an event he isnt at
@tensixtag9265
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get good. lesson is dont submit list till day of. problem solved. but sharking is cool with all yugioh players and judges. i have been told it is on me to keep game state correct. so it is on players to keep the deck list secret. sorry bro. also.
did you see the salamagreat player straight shark for the win and no judge called it. raging has to already be in GY. it cant be popped and then summon itself. in semi finals.
@@tensixtag9265 the deck lists were already submitted, and DKayed used an AI tool to scrub data from every match going on to reverse engineer for the decklists. idk how submitting it last minute makes a difference here.
@@Furnabulax1it wasnt ab "ai tool", this is a rumour. they had full deck list for josh's lab list that they only saw 3 cards for, cause he set 3 and got dustered. they used a data scrubber that pulls the information from the game files, not anything the players themself could obtain.
The list was already made public way before Dkayed posted it on his forum. C’mon you’re Andy toward the wrong person, instead boycott Konami until they change their business practices and better their prizing
Cry about it
Closed decklist
Tool use is fine to me as long as it doesn't interfere with events or official matches. Additionally I believe a closed decklist aligns with the spirit of the game.
I don't even get the open/closed decklist angle. Sure, it's a debate going forward, but the event (unless I'm missing something), was closed decklist. Anyone purposely posting lists during the event should be held accountable at that point.
The funniest thing I saw is that there was one guy in the comments who said Dkayed was extremely unethical and Dkayed called him a cheater on stream (I think the guy was a participant). It was one of the funniest things I saw all week.
did you see the salamagreat player straight shark for the win and no judge called it. raging has to already be in GY. it cant be popped and then summon itself. in the semi finals at that
@@tensixtag9265 In the Master Duel world championship? Idk anyone was even playing Salamangreat. All of the games I saw were Fire, Tear, Branded, Yubel, and maybe 1-2 other decks.
Yeah he went on a skitzo rant with no evidence that clip is crazy
@@TrevorRox6 I was watching some of the MD duels and it's not hard to see who is on what. I wonder if DKayed is right. It seems so easy to do.
You people live in a fantasy land
Independently of the "open vs closed deck list" debate, this tournament is closed deck list. It doesn't matter if you think closed deck list is dumb, you need to follow the rules. Dkayed defenders, stop being dumb.
Personally, I am in favor of open deck lists once you reach top cut in a tournament. Worlds is a more unique situation since an individual competitor is going to be more isolated environment than at the floor of a YCS, especially with Konami practically running worlds in a closed warehouse.
But at a YCS, you have top level players who are on teams and may show up with 20+ other players. Once some of these others drop out, they can be sent to scout other top tables and decks looking for techs, watching their side decks during siding, etc. But if an unknown person does well and showed up with 3 friends, they don't have the resources to gather that information.
In my opinion, having a network of other people willing to work for you is an advantage that is not related to gameplay and should not exist once you hit top cut.
But, posting lists mid day 1 is not ok imo. I'd have liked to have seen that at the end of day 1.
@@darthscorn1 I am torn on the last statement bc I agree with you but think if he didn't post it then what players would have known about the 3rd party having the data. Like judeuYGO who was sponsored by them which makes it SUS but not saying he would have used it or had the integrity to say something.
Are these decklists for Public View and Is Legal?
If so:
- Who is responsible for making these public?
- Why is the playerbase suddenly up and up about moralilty when its apparently for public view done by those with higher power than the players?
If not:
- Why even is such a thing as publicly being able to have the ability to get those decklists allowed?
- Who at the top is responsible for that failure in the system?
- Why not speak more about those at the top first for failing before taking on the frustrations onto those at the bottom with you? Because Sponsor? Because you use the tool? If that tool is doing something illegal, why not report it before talking about morality?
With regards to that one big guy with big influence, why are you acting all uppity and almighty? You got so into the business you forgot your morality? (Asking for a friend)
Im a huge fan of Dkayed, I watch his CMDTs every week. People are putting way too much blame on him as if he was the sole reason decklists got leaked, but I do believe he should have at the very least kept quiet and ignored the controversy around it.
Open decklist for this game is probably about as bad of a take as bring back maxx c
Not as bad as banning Circular for no reason 💀
I agree it's very bad for rogue decks especially blind 2nd. However imo it increases the games competitive play. People argue about secret tech cards but in reality if those tech cards are good they will still be able to be effective and make your opponent with fear of it. I like that bc it makes the game more of a mind game.
@@UziOmega Nah circular had it coming.
@@patrickmunneke8348 Enjoy MVLICE then, you will like it
@patrickmunneke8348 Circular did nothing wrong. He didn't do nothing. He didn't even know he was banned. He didn't get no email or nothing.
He didn't even know he was banned until he saw the banlist reactions.
Duel Links wins again
What do you mean??
Trash take
Oh yeah! 👍
I’m gonna say a word that rhymes with drama, here we go: Rama
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Comma
I wouldn’t see the problem here tbh, if they know my tech choices I’ll know theirs? Surely? You’ll know the likelihood of the plays you want to make, actually resolving? Then again I haven’t played competitively yet so could be wrong
@tensixtag9265
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get good. lesson is dont submit list till day of. problem solved. but sharking is cool with all yugioh players and judges. i have been told it is on me to keep game state correct. so it is on players to keep the deck list secret. sorry bro. also.
did you see the salamagreat player straight shark for the win and no judge called it. raging has to already be in GY. it cant be popped and then summon itself. in semi finals.
what if their tech is stale and yours is uber goo that relies at least partly on being unknown
“Out here”
I am unphased. The better players will win regardless, and the decklists become compiled by the end of round 2 to 3 anyway. This is the same energy as assuming that people don't know what their opponent is playing during Top 16 at a YCS. Not only do the better players know, but they know their side choices and everything. You only have the element of surprise during the first rounds. Do people not understand that there are secondary decks for this reason to have a mix-up on what they play? Unfortunately, the 2nd decks are usually throwaways.
On the total flip side I’ve play tested a deck in meta and non meta matches and found a deck that could possibly actually be a rogue strategy but have little to no time to perfect it. Haha. I have also play tested in it around maybe 40-50 matches.
Unfortunate. At the same time, eventually people will be able to count what was played and generate a decklist. I would say end of day 1 it is fine to release.
Here is the thing about Dkayed...Konami banned him for TCG related events already for 3 years for leaking stuff...but that did nothing because he hasn't played TCG in many years. Konami would have to take legal action and force his website and his streams and videos to be taken down. He would literally need to be permanently banned from anything Yugioh related. Which may not be such a bad thing
No rush duels!!! No product announced
I'm totally against what dkayed did and against open decklists
Dkayed needs to apologize for this, disgraceful.
Its ridiculous.... say he doesnt leak the decklist to everyone but only to a few people.... say robbie was at worlds and only he and others are unaware of this info. Like you can say whatever you want but it aint dkayeds fault this info was available. Like to me there are worse ways for dkayed to handle this info
If Dkayed could get ahold of the lists then anyone could potentially get the lists. What he did was the only way to keep it even and fair.
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This is most definitely not Pokémon if they want to do something like that they need to let the players who are in top, see their opponents, deck, or deck list enter and only in top
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Drama is for the birds
i heard about the leaked data last night, and immediately was like "Welp, guess im bothering Judge Mama Julia at Worlds...."
She actually thanked me for it and said theyre aware and taking care of it.
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People always complain...ufh
Close decklist. But only cuz open decklist makes people just copy decks and not think for themselves. 🧠
Not really as the open deck list is only for registered decks posted on the day of. So players can't copy each other's decks before hand. So unique tech cards are still effective. However it will decrease the use of rogue decks so I would only be in favor of an open deck list on big events like worlds where competition is at its highest
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Just leave your cellphones at the door while the event is on going for worlds :)
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Yugioh shouldn't be open deck list. Its the only game that doesnt allow note taking so open deck lists is just saying the guy with better on spot memory gets an advantage for no reason.
This makes no sense, what memory has to do with a strange card you put in the deck to counter the metà and suddenly everyone knows you can have it
Display them at the start of the duel to the audience but not the players
I am in favor on open decklists for highest competitive tournaments like worlds bc its what makes a tournament most competitive imo. I say that bc this kills rogue decks especially going 2nd decks. So locals/regionals can stay with closed decklist which keeps a good balance of comp/ fun. However i see open decklists as a net positive but i am open to hear other opinions on it.
I don’t think so. Some decks cut out certain cards because there’s no room for it in the main/ extra deck. Like Clair rushka to counter spright. Or the 3rd monk in tenyi.
@@singlen3561I may be interpreting this wrong but when I say open deck list I mean the day of the competition when the deck list were already registered so they can't change their deck anymore.
@@lrvalv8312 yeah that’s true but you also literally know what your opponent is playing. People are never gonna let tenpai go second after a die roll again.
The reason there's an open deck list is so that Konami's new archetypes can make them more money. Think about it. If it was a closed deck list then every single YCS would have had a more diverse format (maybe not BA format) and they wouldn't have made as much as they did. I hate that everything about this game is about money. Open deck list because of money, crappy ban list because of money, insane power creep because of money and I'm sure I'm forgetting something else.
You forgot money because it’s money
did you see the salamagreat player straight shark for the win and no judge called it. raging has to already be in GY. it cant be popped and then summon itself. in the semi finals
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match 3 at the very end
Controversial opinion but I think not only should you be allowed to know your opponents deck list before the match.
I think you should be able to look your opponents deck list over, and side before round 1.