@@lanitagoins1238 we gotta stop blaming everyone and everyone but ourselves. Everyone in the hood growing up wanted to be a dancehall or hip hop artist. No corporation forced them to.
Perfect example is DMX - Slippin…It was a hit but it was a serious song. It wasn’t a party song, it was a song telling his story. The radios and tv stations played the song and it became a hit. It’s up to the label and these radio/tv stations to push and make a song popular.
André 3000 said it best, "Y'all don't want to hear me, you just want to dance." He had everybody out here dancing to a break up song because people wanted to dance instead of actually listening to what he was saying.
Crazy how you knew he was talking to females - think about it - females are usually the ones telling you , your doing too much if you say something is not fit * they always have a reason to not listen - but then end up complaining about the problems they created -
I said the same thing about This is America, the beat is made to get you dancing but what's important is the video and it paints an entirely different picture
We want to hear party music…but the party music is about murder and sex lol. Conscious music and party music can coexist. Why can’t we just have regular party music in rap?
@@Drewtate270 looking at the climate of the human culture,as far as behavior and mindset, it doesn’t seem like entertainment. We have more children digesting and imitating what they see for entertainment
She is not showing her age. She is showing her morals. She wants conscious people to leave her alone!!!! There are plenty of young adults who want more of a variety in mainstream hiphop
@@smoothsavage2870 I understand what the phrase means. One with morals can party, have a good time dancing and socializing withing the artists speaking positively about drugs, wanting redbones, females are whores, let's do some crimes. It is a moral issue.
The shift is coming y’all, it won’t be overnight and will definitely take work but it’s an absolute shift in the culture. Great topics guys!! New subscriber here 👋🏾
This is why artist like Tobe Nwigwe has a solid base in the US and World wide. A lot of these artist she is calling popular are not popular around the world.
Mary Mary Stomp played in the club as Akinyele Put it in your mouth. In retrospect, it was very strange. I don't know if I want that again. Everything has been sexualized, they don't know how to have fun without overtly sexually explicit dancing or lyrics, those things are corny. As I’m writing this, the gentleman said he didn't know what people did for fun without, drugs, alcohol, and fornication. This younger generation has been inundated with images of pornography and drugs via their phones and tablets at a very young age. Advertising has been targeting them from the womb. They are programmed to be attracted to debauchery. This is where Loren is being disingenuous, she has studied communications there's a reason tv and radio stations have a ”program” director. Media was created as a tool to to program the masses. These influential people are often referred to as taste makers, as they dictate trends through the media.
@@omardavis1622 we grew up in the best time really the golden age of hip hop… my song was Rakim “in the ghetto” He literally changed hip hop how people rapped, how serious his tone could be but still put out a party record. and then BDP, “My philosophy”. However with all the shoot’em up bang bang starting… you still had balance…. Poor righteous teachers “rock this funky joint” , NWA, “Express yourself” ….Public Enemy “Black steel in the hour of chaos”, after Black Sheep “the choice is your” fall of 91 things changed, it was about the underground rough rugged and raw due to the watering down of rap…. MC hammers vs EPMDs of the world…. However the golden age was certainly 86-94….
@@risingphoenix1484 just to add on to the party joints where you either thought or had a visual even if the song didn't have a video. X-Clan joints on the first album. Brand Nubian #SlowDown how they broke down 3 scenarios and I think they were the first to add acoustic guitar into #HipHop from that sample. De La Soul #MyMyselfI #SayNoGo Kwame first album. Special Ed. MC Lyte first album... All these singles had some message, substance and you can dance. And let's not forget The Ruler ‼️ #ChildrenStory #TeenageLove #HeyYoungWorld 😔
This is true, but not every party song has to be about drugs, sex, cars, clothes and hoes. But on the other side of the coin, as an atheist, I'm not trying to turn up for Jesus in the club either (I'm +30 with a child to take care of so I don't go to clubs anymore, I'm just throwing out an example). We gotta think more about what our ears are listening to. The subconscious is getting bombarded with messaging of all the negative stuff while in the club. There's tracks that's strictly about dancing and not hitting a lick is all I'm saying lol
@@harakhtidm7768 God created the earth and heaven. He created everything in the earth and then gave the earth to men to keep it. So man made the world system.
@@Themeparkanxiety God leaves his people in the earth to preach, teach, instruct and live here. Originally it was to enjoy the earth without sin and to choose to enjoy a relationship with the most high. However in order for it to be man's choice he had to give an option of life or death. Man originally choose death. So here we are. I have a job, a car, and food, etc because I live here. that doesn't make me friends with the world it means I live here. Don't be xtupid.
Most people dont know it is deeper. The people who are the biggest investors of media are also over the music label rights and the biggest investors/funders of the prison system. There's a huge correlation. People do not want to acknowledge hip hop as a controlling factor. Hip hop isn't bl@ck culture. But secular hip hop targets the bl@ck community. And as a audience people need to acknowledge the impact it has made and is making. The enemy job was what in heaven? He definitely is using the music. What so ever a man thinketh, so shall he be, what so ever he continue to think so shall he become. As consumers of media, music, etc. We have to understand the impact on our souls by what we consume.
There is also a guy on Joe Budden podcast who didn't know what circadian rhythm meant on 6:16 so instead of finding out what some words mean, he said he doesn't want to think or get some education when he listens to rap music. So, in other music, rap music should be for idiots and illiterates.
That's one person . Kendrick is one of the biggest artists ever and that should tell you that black people ain't the only factor driving the dilution of music here . . .
I wouldn’t take that as a point. Ish presents as an intellectual in the pod. He was just saying that to lean in on the Kendrick hater label they gave him
Another thing is being too religous. Not everyone is a christian, there's other religions that want to enjoy the music too. It can be positive without being religous.
No foundation...morally defunct and materialistic....the music is trash....and allows them to stay childlike music is a teaching tool...for love , family, and emotional growth.
Hip hop at its essence is best & rhythm for beat & rhythm’s sake. Y’all want the music not to hip hop. Why can’t conscious emcees rock over better beats? Lauryn Hill did, PE did, Tribe did. These acts are whining instead of stepping up.
@ddavis8988 if you telling the story of mfkas who exchange their gift for clout coins debt notes and apparently their booty hole.. then yea.. those niggas don't. See mfkas done imposed that mfkas take on the perspective that they break theyself for honorable mentions... if you subscribe to that then yea.. u don't control your actions.. you don't control your decisions.. you don't even control your perspective.. let alone the ability to fix the problem.
Appreciate y'all bringing this out. This girl wild, and doesn't remember or even heard of a time when people would *dance* to joints like "fight the power". that girl is a product of a machine. she didn't tell "the truth" she made an observation based on the current environment.
That’s were we need to start, there is a cultural difference, I’m in my thirties and for the last 20 years, America has become home to many who don’t love the country or its natives. It’s sad when you have to see women who are not of the culture say our men hate us, and then we hear it in a song, we are watching our sons, repeat what they are hearing, then cry with them when they are destroyed. The culture has disappeared. I watch black women Native, pull up their bootstraps and do their best without a support system. Let’s talk about all those athletes, entertainers and etc., that came from her, yet she is degraded, humiliated. We are not all the same.
@@godcathywatsonwatson7887 Then that's not Black Culture (that's just Ignorance) period. And what's troubling is more and more Black-Americans are continuously fighting to no-longer be associated with hood culture everywhere they go. Being Black doesn't automatically put you in a ghetto category.
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If the labels and radio stations promoted conscious music then that’s how the culture would move forward and improve. All this Trap and $ex worker rap is destroying the youth.
Hip Hop culture is one part of Black culture, it’s not tye entire thing. Black culture is vast and has many good and moral aspects that are unfortunately not shown or rarely mentioned in any media. We need to promote the good more than the bullish. Respectfully, a fellow Black Man.
It’s a way of delivering a message & making music you can vibe a lot of these conscious rappers don’t make good music but they’re really good at rapping
Thank GOD I was raised on Jamaican music. Party tunes, girl tunes, cultural tunes, gun tune, and GOD tune. This is not new. No party could be finished without positive music for you to go home with. 1144. 🇯🇲 🇯🇲 🇯🇲 Ps. Back in my days, of course.
I dis agree to a fault. I lead my church youth for a year & in that year I discovered a whole genre of lit gospel artist. Also the radio is catering to the party scene. In studying the culture it took a guy from N.O. to make me understand. Alot of people listen to escape their situation & Don't want to hear messages when their trying to relax.
I’m 51 years old and when I came up we had verity out on the street and those same songs played in the clubs. We had a lot of conscious music the played in clubs that we danced to. Public enemy played in the clubs, poor righteous teacher played, kwame, KRS Zone, three times dope, stetsasonic, big daddy Kane, biz markie D, heavy d, cl smooth. On top of reggae, house music. We had fun in the 80’s and even the mid to late 90’s. Tribe called quest, the roots, wait I forgot rnb at that time also. If y’all can get your hands on those early mixtapes from the late 80’s into the 90’s that’s what was playing in the clubs
@@DodoGadgetthanks to my parents I didn’t let music influence me negatively. Same as when I go see a shoot ‘em up movie, I don’t go around mimicking what I see on the screen. They also didn’t let the streets raise me like your parents obviously did.
There is , it has been polluted to a point that it’s unrecognizable and your comment is proof. You deny its existence . Who are you and where are you from ?
They took Loren's comment out of context. She said when she goes to the club, she doesn't want to hear that. She didn't say she doesn't want to hear it at all.
There's something in the music industry and the DJ and radio community that is still going on and permeate until this day it's called Pay for play. Labels always make sure that the artist or their franchise are so I should say always get top play and get heavy rotations so they pay for that. And this has been going on for decades on decades in the music industry
HipHop has always had a religious undertone. Back in the day it was 5% nation and in the FOI with Islam. To the Christian rappers of today...it's all our culture
Um radio is a platform generating revenue from advertising and record labels. It’s strictly business deals and partnerships. The labels campaign for slots and a small amount of the decision is based on artist sales and projection. This convo is a little misdirected. Christian radio features artists who attract businesses that pay within that market.
The bases of hip hop is both learn something and party. It’s crazy I feel nobody comes to the radio to find new songs or artist they are stuck. Back in the day the DJ promoted what hit I could hear country, rap, gospel in one top 10. To me all the music no matter rap or pop they all lacking that wow factor.
Obviously there is A Lane for conscious Artist‼️ They are some of our Biggest and best artist‼️ Probably not listening to as much as turn up music But a lot of ppl Such as myself and others Meed that balance
What a lot of people don’t get or realize is that even the music people believe is party or ratchet, is also conscious music… it’s how people receive a message… like back when dmx and pac had messages in their music… everyone ain’t the right teacher.
A friend once told me that my music make too much sense!!! People want to hear ratchet!!! I say that’s because they been programmed!!! Having conversations with people they want to hear music that’s intentional!!!!
I worked with a musician that used to say "you can make almost anyone like a song if you can get them to hear it three times. A wack song to a 20 year old can be a hit to a 14 yr old with the right repetition.
Black culture is not every thing our low class is doing, but these people wouldn't know that because the low class people is all they research and talk about, their are more working class and entrepreneur Blacks than low class Blacks, but once again every one wants to just black Americans on our lower class, should we judge white culture off of the poor people of West Virginia?
PE KRS PRT X Clan political Ice Cube (Death Certificate) and others made conscious music that also moved people to the point the music was popular. They used great beats and concepts that engaged the hip hop fanbase. That was 30 yrs ago though and honestly the average fan was more conscious due to the racism being in your face. Fans like the young lady are so influenced by hood cliches they may be beyond reach but to each his/her own..as long as you got kids listening its worth it to have conscious music in the mix because it may actually help them.
There is a reason it's called "the entertainment industry" and not the "social consciousness industry". During Shakespeare's era, many of his plays had societal messages, but most people privileged enough to see his plays back then, weren't at the theatre for a social awakening, they were there to be entertained. Rock, R&B, and Country Music, all have some artists, who at previous points in their music careers were faith based artist. Many faith based artists crossover to mainstream music. In order for faith based artists to have success in mainstream music, their approach has to be, "entertain, not preach". Kirk Franklin is an example. He was entertaining without being heavily "preachy". Kendrick Lamar's Not Like Us, was an entertaining party song (it's a "dis" song, though not particularly vulgar, someone might say it has its moments of "ratchetness"). However, Kendrick's song Watch They Party Die, comes off as a bit "preachy". Watch They Party Die is actually no more "preachy" than Not Like Us, it just has a different tempo, conveying a more thought provoking tone (in the same traditional as The Message, by Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five). There was nothing wrong with what Lauren LaRosa said, in fact everything she said was completely on point. The fact that the Holy Culture hosts are displeased by her opinion, is an example of their unwillingness to recognize their lack of understanding about the entertainment industry, and social dynamics.
0:49 "Who are people!?" Why was she so defensive there? Seeing as were talking about spirituality, there is something a touch demonic about having a negative response to spiritual music. She sounded damn near offended.
She acted like a demon possessed person getting a exorcist 😈 for some people a certain kind of rap is like a soundtrack for the way they love to live their lives
@@slowburnraloh1807 It's crazy because since she's arrived on the show, this was the most combative I've seen her. She's normally the chill one. She was ready to fight for that ratchet garbage.
I feel that if radio can push low vibe music and make it popular, then they could push high vibe music and make it popular… the fact that they don’t, proves they are malicious in their intent… I’m not saying we need to scrub the airways and flood them with gospel… but I truly miss R&B and the love it helped create… how can you love God if you can’t love your partner of your fellow man… that’s what all music was at one point… then “fun” superseded love… now we don’t know how to love anymore… and that’s the problem… not just with black people, but the world… someone started the rumor that love makes you weak, but it’s quite the opposite… love gives you strength to fight with a clear mind, the opposite of anger…
We as a society have moved away from holiness and oneness with The Most High. Therefore, we've moved away from true love, unity, empathy, humility, and graciousness.
The radio stations is not playing the popular music, the radio station are playing what the record labels pay them to play, to make those songs popular, because after hearing a song every 30 minutes will make a song sound better to you after all that repetition.
Music company's pay radio stations to play or push the music that they want made and played. It starts with the music company's. The radio company's are a business and there to provide a service. It's about money, it's always about the money. Control the music controls the mind.
If the record in the radio separates dim the radio will play the hot radio songs and on the weekend they play the hot club songs is they will balance it out. They're pushing the songs that they want out they don't care what's popular or not they will make it popular like my man said in this video that's called programming
Music is more than the party scene. Music is a part of ppls everyday lives. Hate that we center music around the party culture. There's definitely a space for all types of art forms
10:05 yes I’m just a voyeur of sorts - my children are of mixed ethnicity, so I don’t know about the culture but I do know that for the most part I could not allow my children (while they were growing up) to listen to hip hop or rap music freely because of the words. Rock was like that, too, but not all of it, and not as graphic. Now, not even country music is safe for mixed company. I love all things Christian, but we do love in a secular world - and there was a time when artists were creative when writing about romance and love. As a grandmother, I know that even the secular world can do better.
So like…the binaries btw Christian and secular music are too extreme. The LIVEST parties I went to were around 1991 where songs like “This Is Something for the Radio” and “Ladi Dadi” etc were playing and very little of the content was “fleshly.” Like House Party made us go to clubs in our pyjamas lol…ANYTHING can be club music if ppl have fun to it.
What is missing in Rap is the absence of musicality, it has nothing to do with the message. The artists that push negativity are less musically inclined and base their music off of feel. Why can't smart and conscious musicians combine both message and and great music.
4:19 what’s really happening is hip hop let’s the kids or 25 and under demo determine what’s cool that’s why it’s only the young rappers who get talked about the most besides the handful of 30 and up rappers who they can’t wait to call “old school” 🤷🏾♂️😂😂
It’s amazing that in this age of information that anyone is still a colonized minded black man living in christ gzus! It goes to show the fear of going to an imaginary eternal place (heaven or hell) still has the control on us as strong today as it did back when we couldn’t read English.
“If one should desire to know whether a kingdom is well governed, if its morals are good or bad, the quality of its music will furnish the answer.” Confucius
Hip hop started in the Black party. The problem with conscious rap is that unlike PE and the music of my era, they ish don’t bump. It’s not made to kill the hip hop party with consideration for a wholistic experience that includes hip hop dance, the DJ, etc. then they get mad when they can’t compete with heat from the less conscious artists. Y’all blaming the crowd instead of moving it while claiming to be emcees.
Rappers like Dee-1 and Lecrae made that shit so contrived. H to the Izzo may not be your typical conscious type of record but HOV was spitting some real shit in them verses. Thats the balance people need to recognise. You can appeal to clubs and radio while giving game. But that goes into a whole other discussion of people not being good songwriters. You can
It's crazy how we'll have a whole conversation about how much substance , black people, do or don't have, just so we don't have to say, Kendrick made a record we didn't love, one of it artists responsibilities is to entertain the people, we cant say that we gonna honor a song no one likes because of the content, of thats the case, then niggass like dead prez and nem is the goats... and jay still remains the goat, just off of content alone
The word of God speaks of the High Praises of God in our mouth and the two-edged sword (the prophetically inspired word of God) in our hands to execute the vengeance of our God and the judgement rendered - the messages through music should rattle the gates of the enemy that snares the heart of the unbeliever of what God calls His glory. Now…the math ain’t mathing - if the church is supporting its own, why aren’t we prospering? The church hasn’t moved away from the world. There is too much compromise that has not committed to being a new creation.
The delusion of distraction has affected us all to a point where our nations and tribes are conquered by colonialists for centuries, weaponizing our ignorance with “obsession for an avoidance of reality through drugs and music” against us. Lots of work to do
Well, another issue is two is stop being so interested in being a part of secularism if you want to be on the radio create your own radio stations be competitive you know the goal is to be competitive not to be inclusive. The world is not interested in promoting hard Christian music or conservative values. We know that and we have known that for a very long time so the goal is to be competitive create your own record companies create your own radio stations get out there and use the Entertainment Medium to support music that supports the Christian perspective in relation to morals and values.
The corporations are putting out the lowest vibration kind of music like putting crack in the hoods.
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@@lanitagoins1238 we gotta stop blaming everyone and everyone but ourselves. Everyone in the hood growing up wanted to be a dancehall or hip hop artist. No corporation forced them to.
Truth real talk 💯
Perfect example is DMX - Slippin…It was a hit but it was a serious song. It wasn’t a party song, it was a song telling his story. The radios and tv stations played the song and it became a hit. It’s up to the label and these radio/tv stations to push and make a song popular.
Same thing with Jadakiss "Why" BET and them pushed/marketed that song.
Lupe was holding "think"music for a bit by himself imo.
Its not our culture when it's dictated by record labels.
André 3000 said it best, "Y'all don't want to hear me, you just want to dance." He had everybody out here dancing to a break up song because people wanted to dance instead of actually listening to what he was saying.
Crazy how you knew he was talking to females - think about it - females are usually the ones telling you , your doing too much if you say something is not fit * they always have a reason to not listen - but then end up complaining about the problems they created -
Slick Rick made ppl dance to a stick up kid story. I miss the 80s. 😢
I said the same thing about This is America, the beat is made to get you dancing but what's important is the video and it paints an entirely different picture
Eat some shrooms and listen to certain music and FAFO😂😂😂😂😂
Back in my days the radio played everything from pop to rap including R&B
We want to hear party music…but the party music is about murder and sex lol. Conscious music and party music can coexist. Why can’t we just have regular party music in rap?
Once upon a time it was just party music 🎶 RIP! Delores Tucker 🙏
Plenty of regular party music in rap. You need a list?
@@raczgreen6053C Delores Tucker she a....
@@bruceleeds7988You would have led with the list if it existed. Stop it. Rap is destructive at every level.
@@marcelmarshall4240I was expecting him to say, “Whoomp, there it is!”
It Takes Two , Rob Base. That’s the party song I grew up on and it wasn’t toxic and degrading
Heavy D Chubb Rock Big Daddy Kane Run DMC etc. parry artists
Rob Base it takes 2 is one of the wackest songs ever. Hated 8t back then and hate it now.
Kid N Play as well. Heavy D 🕊️
let’s be real, anything that’s not boastful or disrespectful towards someone, preferably famous, is considered “corny”
Boastful, disrespectful, lustful, threatening is the topics most people love to hear and then mimic and live by it themselves
I wonder if anyone has told that young woman from the breakfast club that you cannot party for ever, the ones that do age distastefully
Yes you can ..... To some people music is only entertainment
@@Drewtate270 looking at the climate of the human culture,as far as behavior and mindset, it doesn’t seem like entertainment. We have more children digesting and imitating what they see for entertainment
She is not showing her age. She is showing her morals. She wants conscious people to leave her alone!!!!
There are plenty of young adults who want more of a variety in mainstream hiphop
When they say that she's showing her age, they mean that she's showing her youth. The opposite of CTG and Envy. Younger people want to party.
@@smoothsavage2870 I understand what the phrase means. One with morals can party, have a good time dancing and socializing withing the artists speaking positively about drugs, wanting redbones, females are whores, let's do some crimes. It is a moral issue.
Or some people want to listen to music to get they mind off reality instead of a song that make you think about hard life more
The shift is coming y’all, it won’t be overnight and will definitely take work but it’s an absolute shift in the culture. Great topics guys!! New subscriber here 👋🏾
There is a shift for the worst. The breakfast club can talk it, but they continue to be meat puppets.
It’s going to be overnight. If the 90s style can mysteriously vanish like it did then this week ass shit shouldn’t have not problem disappearing.
This is why artist like Tobe Nwigwe has a solid base in the US and World wide. A lot of these artist she is calling popular are not popular around the world.
I still remember hearing “Jesus Walks” in the club back in the day.
The Good Life still plays oddly enough
Mary Mary Stomp played in the club as Akinyele Put it in your mouth. In retrospect, it was very strange. I don't know if I want that again. Everything has been sexualized, they don't know how to have fun without overtly sexually explicit dancing or lyrics, those things are corny. As I’m writing this, the gentleman said he didn't know what people did for fun without, drugs, alcohol, and fornication. This younger generation has been inundated with images of pornography and drugs via their phones and tablets at a very young age. Advertising has been targeting them from the womb. They are programmed to be attracted to debauchery. This is where Loren is being disingenuous, she has studied communications there's a reason tv and radio stations have a ”program” director. Media was created as a tool to to program the masses. These influential people are often referred to as taste makers, as they dictate trends through the media.
These guys young. They don't remember when rap was conscious. It was 88- 93 mostly
Before that... To party beats. Fearless Four was a group who drop a conscious record , that was party like but this was early 80s.
More like 86-91….everything changed in 92…
@@risingphoenix1484 yeah i always say after the summer.
@@omardavis1622 we grew up in the best time really the golden age of hip hop… my song was Rakim “in the ghetto” He literally changed hip hop how people rapped, how serious his tone could be but still put out a party record. and then BDP, “My philosophy”. However with all the shoot’em up bang bang starting… you still had balance…. Poor righteous teachers “rock this funky joint” , NWA, “Express yourself” ….Public Enemy “Black steel in the hour of chaos”, after Black Sheep “the choice is your” fall of 91 things changed, it was about the underground rough rugged and raw due to the watering down of rap…. MC hammers vs EPMDs of the world…. However the golden age was certainly 86-94….
@@risingphoenix1484 just to add on to the party joints where you either thought or had a visual even if the song didn't have a video. X-Clan joints on the first album. Brand Nubian #SlowDown how they broke down 3 scenarios and I think they were the first to add acoustic guitar into #HipHop from that sample. De La Soul #MyMyselfI #SayNoGo Kwame first album. Special Ed. MC Lyte first album... All these singles had some message, substance and you can dance. And let's not forget The Ruler ‼️ #ChildrenStory #TeenageLove #HeyYoungWorld 😔
All music is not made for parties.
This is true, but not every party song has to be about drugs, sex, cars, clothes and hoes. But on the other side of the coin, as an atheist, I'm not trying to turn up for Jesus in the club either (I'm +30 with a child to take care of so I don't go to clubs anymore, I'm just throwing out an example).
We gotta think more about what our ears are listening to. The subconscious is getting bombarded with messaging of all the negative stuff while in the club. There's tracks that's strictly about dancing and not hitting a lick is all I'm saying lol
@@justinp9170I agree. That's why I wish I was old enough to attend 90s house parties.
To be friends with the world is an enemy of God.
But, "god made the world", right? You can't have it both ways.
@@harakhtidm7768 God created the earth and heaven. He created everything in the earth and then gave the earth to men to keep it. So man made the world system.
amen
Then I assume you don't own a smartphone, computer or TV. Those are all windows into the evil world you mention
@@Themeparkanxiety God leaves his people in the earth to preach, teach, instruct and live here. Originally it was to enjoy the earth without sin and to choose to enjoy a relationship with the most high. However in order for it to be man's choice he had to give an option of life or death. Man originally choose death. So here we are. I have a job, a car, and food, etc because I live here. that doesn't make me friends with the world it means I live here. Don't be xtupid.
Most people dont know it is deeper. The people who are the biggest investors of media are also over the music label rights and the biggest investors/funders of the prison system. There's a huge correlation. People do not want to acknowledge hip hop as a controlling factor. Hip hop isn't bl@ck culture. But secular hip hop targets the bl@ck community. And as a audience people need to acknowledge the impact it has made and is making. The enemy job was what in heaven? He definitely is using the music. What so ever a man thinketh, so shall he be, what so ever he continue to think so shall he become. As consumers of media, music, etc. We have to understand the impact on our souls by what we consume.
You're correct. It's not just the music. It's coming from in so many ways/forms.
For the revolutionaries out there , it’s not illegal to listen to music
Air magic
There is also a guy on Joe Budden podcast who didn't know what circadian rhythm meant on 6:16 so instead of finding out what some words mean, he said he doesn't want to think or get some education when he listens to rap music. So, in other music, rap music should be for idiots and illiterates.
That's one person . Kendrick is one of the biggest artists ever and that should tell you that black people ain't the only factor driving the dilution of music here . . .
Ish
I wouldn’t take that as a point. Ish presents as an intellectual in the pod. He was just saying that to lean in on the Kendrick hater label they gave him
@@Itchy_knee_ron Ish being an intellectual is a hard sell.
@@Armstaid 😂 thats why I said presents
Radio host have VERY LITTLE if any influence over what gets played. Yall clearly don't know how radio works it's not UA-cam 😂
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The bible shows us how to tell the difference. Although it's a risk, it's still a step up from where we are now.
The bible has Black people subverted.
The Bible is a work of fiction
Came across an artist “Dax” , positive stuff and about peoples struggle…..he is just a real artist!!
He's a cornball.
Dope conversation!
Another thing is being too religous. Not everyone is a christian, there's other religions that want to enjoy the music too. It can be positive without being religous.
No foundation...morally defunct and materialistic....the music is trash....and allows them to stay childlike music is a teaching tool...for love , family, and emotional growth.
Thank you! 🙏🏽 We don’t even WANNA save ourselves??! Sad…
Exactly. Throw in social media making it easier to pepertuate foolishness and nonsense while distracting from things that matter
@@chumps7974 🎯 I totally agree 👍🏽
I’m in my late 30s I grew up in the best era of hip hop. I’m not trying to hear gospel rap, I wish all artist much success tho.
Who cares what you wanna hear 😂
It's not even about what u like to listen to, it's about realizing what's BS even if I sounds good and putting that shit down when the song go off
@@STELLARMIGHTYwho asked you?
New subscriber here.....The dialogue is amazing...... Salute!!!!
Only thing these people care about nowadays is a Beat if it's something with a fire beat they're going to listen❤
Hip hop at its essence is best & rhythm for beat & rhythm’s sake. Y’all want the music not to hip hop. Why can’t conscious emcees rock over better beats? Lauryn Hill did, PE did, Tribe did. These acts are whining instead of stepping up.
Stop it!!! You know Black People don't control the music they play.
They control what they make.
@@freshestinclass763not really even that
@ddavis8988 if you telling the story of mfkas who exchange their gift for clout coins debt notes and apparently their booty hole.. then yea.. those niggas don't. See mfkas done imposed that mfkas take on the perspective that they break theyself for honorable mentions... if you subscribe to that then yea.. u don't control your actions.. you don't control your decisions.. you don't even control your perspective.. let alone the ability to fix the problem.
It's not people's music, it's Satan's.
@@ddavis8988yes they do
Appreciate y'all bringing this out.
This girl wild, and doesn't remember or even heard of a time when people would *dance* to joints like "fight the power". that girl is a product of a machine. she didn't tell "the truth" she made an observation based on the current environment.
That observation is a part of the truth though, as timeslot as it is.
Hip Hop Is not ALL of black culture
Hip hop is not a culture at all it's just something that we created
@@matthewjenkins341 Depends on how you define culture hip hop is definitely a culture
@matthewjenkins341 it's a culture that black Americans created
Which black culture? There are many cultures that make up the black culture.
The dominant one that defines us to the world (the hood one)
That’s were we need to start, there is a cultural difference, I’m in my thirties and for the last 20 years, America has become home to many who don’t love the country or its natives. It’s sad when you have to see women who are not of the culture say our men hate us, and then we hear it in a song, we are watching our sons, repeat what they are hearing, then cry with them when they are destroyed. The culture has disappeared. I watch black women Native, pull up their bootstraps and do their best without a support system. Let’s talk about all those athletes, entertainers and etc., that came from her, yet she is degraded, humiliated. We are not all the same.
@@godcathywatsonwatson7887 Dominant? Hood culture is not dominant.
@@godcathywatsonwatson7887 Then that's not Black Culture (that's just Ignorance) period. And what's troubling is more and more Black-Americans are continuously fighting to no-longer be associated with hood culture everywhere they go. Being Black doesn't automatically put you in a ghetto category.
It's not being specified because the whole conversation is based on the falsehood that black culture is a monolith
Great discussion!
As a faith-driven business thinker, my knee jerk reaction is to want to develop a solution to the gap not currently being filled in this market, especially because clearly a problem exists.
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It is TIME FOR BALANCE…knowledgable music…that’s what I’ve been into from WAAAAAAY BAAAACKKK
If the labels and radio stations promoted conscious music then that’s how the culture would move forward and improve. All this Trap and $ex worker rap is destroying the youth.
Hip Hop culture is one part of Black culture, it’s not tye entire thing. Black culture is vast and has many good and moral aspects that are unfortunately not shown or rarely mentioned in any media. We need to promote the good more than the bullish. Respectfully, a fellow Black Man.
It’s a way of delivering a message & making music you can vibe a lot of these conscious rappers don’t make good music but they’re really good at rapping
That picture in the thumbnail looks like a show from the greensboro collisiuem last weekend
Thank GOD I was raised on Jamaican music. Party tunes, girl tunes, cultural tunes, gun tune, and GOD tune. This is not new. No party could be finished without positive music for you to go home with. 1144. 🇯🇲 🇯🇲 🇯🇲
Ps. Back in my days, of course.
I was going to say this. Problem is that dancehall is now same as hip hop
Lmao Reggae and Dancehall has tons of references to SEX, Drugs and Murder.🤣
@SoloEmpireOfficial laugh at yourself, sir. If you don't understand, leave this talk.
I dis agree to a fault. I lead my church youth for a year & in that year I discovered a whole genre of lit gospel artist. Also the radio is catering to the party scene. In studying the culture it took a guy from N.O. to make me understand. Alot of people listen to escape their situation & Don't want to hear messages when their trying to relax.
I said this and grew up saying this... we're always relaxing it seems.
I’m 51 years old and when I came up we had verity out on the street and those same songs played in the clubs. We had a lot of conscious music the played in clubs that we danced to. Public enemy played in the clubs, poor righteous teacher played, kwame, KRS Zone, three times dope, stetsasonic, big daddy Kane, biz markie D, heavy d, cl smooth. On top of reggae, house music. We had fun in the 80’s and even the mid to late 90’s. Tribe called quest, the roots, wait I forgot rnb at that time also. If y’all can get your hands on those early mixtapes from the late 80’s into the 90’s that’s what was playing in the clubs
Yep. Started with hip hop/rap and the way black women were degraded. So, we also need to look at the producers, music company execs, etc.
Now black women degrade themselves.
How about raising your kids properly so that they understand the difference between real life and entertainment.
@@beehav423 It seems your parents failed you because you cannot tell what entertainment is or real life.
Goes deeper than that.
@@DodoGadgetthanks to my parents I didn’t let music influence me negatively. Same as when I go see a shoot ‘em up movie, I don’t go around mimicking what I see on the screen. They also didn’t let the streets raise me like your parents obviously did.
Black American culture*
There is no such thing as black culture
There is , it has been polluted to a point that it’s unrecognizable and your comment is proof. You deny its existence . Who are you and where are you from ?
They took Loren's comment out of context.
She said when she goes to the club, she doesn't want to hear that. She didn't say she doesn't want to hear it at all.
we have to fix the culture from within, Period!! Thank you guys for this show
I love this ❤
Yep, there’s DEFINITELY something wrong with it. Y’all just now seeing that?
There's something in the music industry and the DJ and radio community that is still going on and permeate until this day it's called Pay for play. Labels always make sure that the artist or their franchise are so I should say always get top play and get heavy rotations so they pay for that. And this has been going on for decades on decades in the music industry
Radio stations play what they are paid for to play. The people aren't choosing the music.
HipHop has always had a religious undertone. Back in the day it was 5% nation and in the FOI with Islam. To the Christian rappers of today...it's all our culture
There is always balance. There is no Ying without the Yang. It's just nowadays the bad outweighs the good.
Um radio is a platform generating revenue from advertising and record labels. It’s strictly business deals and partnerships. The labels campaign for slots and a small amount of the decision is based on artist sales and projection. This convo is a little misdirected. Christian radio features artists who attract businesses that pay within that market.
What’s crazy is they are talking about the problem with “radio” when they host the BIGGEST hip hop radio show
The bases of hip hop is both learn something and party. It’s crazy I feel nobody comes to the radio to find new songs or artist they are stuck. Back in the day the DJ promoted what hit I could hear country, rap, gospel in one top 10. To me all the music no matter rap or pop they all lacking that wow factor.
Obviously there is A Lane for conscious Artist‼️ They are some of our Biggest and best artist‼️ Probably not listening to as much as turn up music But a lot of ppl Such as myself and others Meed that balance
My playlist is Curren$y, Larry June, Big Krit, Slim Thug, Le$, Payroll Giovanni non of which are played on the radio.
What a lot of people don’t get or realize is that even the music people believe is party or ratchet, is also conscious music… it’s how people receive a message… like back when dmx and pac had messages in their music… everyone ain’t the right teacher.
F the radio stations.
A friend once told me that my music make too much sense!!! People want to hear ratchet!!! I say that’s because they been programmed!!! Having conversations with people they want to hear music that’s intentional!!!!
I worked with a musician that used to say "you can make almost anyone like a song if you can get them to hear it three times.
A wack song to a 20 year old can be a hit to a 14 yr old with the right repetition.
Notice, she used to work for TMZ .Let that sink in
1st thing that pops in mind is a loss in focus. Toooooo lost in the "mafia" fancy vehicles/ jewelry/clothes/tough guy/girl mentality.
There's very little money in conscious rap because executives don't know how to market and merchandise it.
I stopped listening to radio music 10 years ago and haven't looked back. The radio stations are trash and are the problem.
Yes Marketing....Marketing is what's wrong with black culture.
Had an ear until the religious jargon started.
Black culture is not every thing our low class is doing, but these people wouldn't know that because the low class people is all they research and talk about, their are more working class and entrepreneur Blacks than low class Blacks, but once again every one wants to just black Americans on our lower class, should we judge white culture off of the poor people of West Virginia?
They cultivated that listener like Laura. Thats why she views music like that. Its not a young/old thing.
PE KRS PRT X Clan political Ice Cube (Death Certificate) and others made conscious music that also moved people to the point the music was popular. They used great beats and concepts that engaged the hip hop fanbase. That was 30 yrs ago though and honestly the average fan was more conscious due to the racism being in your face. Fans like the young lady are so influenced by hood cliches they may be beyond reach but to each his/her own..as long as you got kids listening its worth it to have conscious music in the mix because it may actually help them.
There is a reason it's called "the entertainment industry" and not the "social consciousness industry". During Shakespeare's era, many of his plays had societal messages, but most people privileged enough to see his plays back then, weren't at the theatre for a social awakening, they were there to be entertained.
Rock, R&B, and Country Music, all have some artists, who at previous points in their music careers were faith based artist. Many faith based artists crossover to mainstream music. In order for faith based artists to have success in mainstream music, their approach has to be, "entertain, not preach". Kirk Franklin is an example. He was entertaining without being heavily "preachy".
Kendrick Lamar's Not Like Us, was an entertaining party song (it's a "dis" song, though not particularly vulgar, someone might say it has its moments of "ratchetness"). However, Kendrick's song Watch They Party Die, comes off as a bit "preachy". Watch They Party Die is actually no more "preachy" than Not Like Us, it just has a different tempo, conveying a more thought provoking tone (in the same traditional as The Message, by Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five).
There was nothing wrong with what Lauren LaRosa said, in fact everything she said was completely on point. The fact that the Holy Culture hosts are displeased by her opinion, is an example of their unwillingness to recognize their lack of understanding about the entertainment industry, and social dynamics.
0:49 "Who are people!?" Why was she so defensive there? Seeing as were talking about spirituality, there is something a touch demonic about having a negative response to spiritual music. She sounded damn near offended.
She acted like a demon possessed person getting a exorcist 😈 for some people a certain kind of rap is like a soundtrack for the way they love to live their lives
Yep💯
@@slowburnraloh1807 It's crazy because since she's arrived on the show, this was the most combative I've seen her. She's normally the chill one. She was ready to fight for that ratchet garbage.
I feel that if radio can push low vibe music and make it popular, then they could push high vibe music and make it popular… the fact that they don’t, proves they are malicious in their intent…
I’m not saying we need to scrub the airways and flood them with gospel… but I truly miss R&B and the love it helped create… how can you love God if you can’t love your partner of your fellow man… that’s what all music was at one point… then “fun” superseded love… now we don’t know how to love anymore… and that’s the problem… not just with black people, but the world… someone started the rumor that love makes you weak, but it’s quite the opposite… love gives you strength to fight with a clear mind, the opposite of anger…
We as a society have moved away from holiness and oneness with The Most High. Therefore, we've moved away from true love, unity, empathy, humility, and graciousness.
The radio stations is not playing the popular music, the radio station are playing what the record labels pay them to play, to make those songs popular, because after hearing a song every 30 minutes will make a song sound better to you after all that repetition.
Music company's pay radio stations to play or push the music that they want made and played. It starts with the music company's. The radio company's are a business and there to provide a service. It's about money, it's always about the money. Control the music controls the mind.
If the record in the radio separates dim the radio will play the hot radio songs and on the weekend they play the hot club songs is they will balance it out. They're pushing the songs that they want out they don't care what's popular or not they will make it popular like my man said in this video that's called programming
Music is more than the party scene. Music is a part of ppls everyday lives. Hate that we center music around the party culture. There's definitely a space for all types of art forms
10:05 yes
I’m just a voyeur of sorts - my children are of mixed ethnicity, so I don’t know about the culture but I do know that for the most part I could not allow my children (while they were growing up) to listen to hip hop or rap music freely because of the words.
Rock was like that, too, but not all of it, and not as graphic.
Now, not even country music is safe for mixed company.
I love all things Christian, but we do love in a secular world - and there was a time when artists were creative when writing about romance and love.
As a grandmother, I know that even the secular world can do better.
So like…the binaries btw Christian and secular music are too extreme. The LIVEST parties I went to were around 1991 where songs like “This Is Something for the Radio” and “Ladi Dadi” etc were playing and very little of the content was “fleshly.” Like House Party made us go to clubs in our pyjamas lol…ANYTHING can be club music if ppl have fun to it.
Everything is dumb down.
The majority of doesn't care.
Its all about ratchet
Culture
What is missing in Rap is the absence of musicality, it has nothing to do with the message. The artists that push negativity are less musically inclined and base their music off of feel. Why can't smart and conscious musicians combine both message and and great music.
4:19 what’s really happening is hip hop let’s the kids or 25 and under demo determine what’s cool that’s why it’s only the young rappers who get talked about the most besides the handful of 30 and up rappers who they can’t wait to call “old school” 🤷🏾♂️😂😂
Ironically DMX Always spoke about having God in his life.🙏🏽🕊️
This is a GREAT dialog but we have to figure out how to have it with the TARGET AUDIENCE. Excellent convo but we're "preaching to the choir."
It’s amazing that in this age of information that anyone is still a colonized minded black man living in christ gzus! It goes to show the fear of going to an imaginary eternal place (heaven or hell) still has the control on us as strong today as it did back when we couldn’t read English.
“If one should desire to know whether a kingdom is well governed, if its morals are good or bad, the quality of its music will furnish the answer.” Confucius
Hip hop started in the Black party. The problem with conscious rap is that unlike PE and the music of my era, they ish don’t bump. It’s not made to kill the hip hop party with consideration for a wholistic experience that includes hip hop dance, the DJ, etc. then they get mad when they can’t compete with heat from the less conscious artists. Y’all blaming the crowd instead of moving it while claiming to be emcees.
Rappers like Dee-1 and Lecrae made that shit so contrived.
H to the Izzo may not be your typical conscious type of record but HOV was spitting some real shit in them verses.
Thats the balance people need to recognise.
You can appeal to clubs and radio while giving game.
But that goes into a whole other discussion of people not being good songwriters.
You can
also, i have zero desire to hear the response from either of the rappers mentioned.
I love how many OLD BLACK bitter people avoid mentioning them being POWDER HEADS in the 70s😂 really talking about degeneracy started with hip hop
Facts. It started before hip-hop. They're are so many other things contributing to this
Exactly 👍🏿
It's crazy how we'll have a whole conversation about how much substance , black people, do or don't have, just so we don't have to say, Kendrick made a record we didn't love, one of it artists responsibilities is to entertain the people, we cant say that we gonna honor a song no one likes because of the content, of thats the case, then niggass like dead prez and nem is the goats... and jay still remains the goat, just off of content alone
The word of God speaks of the High Praises of God in our mouth and the two-edged sword (the prophetically inspired word of God) in our hands to execute the vengeance of our God and the judgement rendered - the messages through music should rattle the gates of the enemy that snares the heart of the unbeliever of what God calls His glory. Now…the math ain’t mathing - if the church is supporting its own, why aren’t we prospering? The church hasn’t moved away from the world. There is too much compromise that has not committed to being a new creation.
When it comes to music this generation is lost. Gotta focus on the kids. And in 10 years it will come around
Shit there's something wrong with every culture
They're merging to the same depravity
Check out this young man called “Insyt.” Dope soulful stuff and a little diff
The delusion of distraction has affected us all to a point where our nations and tribes are conquered by colonialists for centuries, weaponizing our ignorance with “obsession for an avoidance of reality through drugs and music” against us. Lots of work to do
Most radio stations are not Black Owned
Well, another issue is two is stop being so interested in being a part of secularism if you want to be on the radio create your own radio stations be competitive you know the goal is to be competitive not to be inclusive. The world is not interested in promoting hard Christian music or conservative values. We know that and we have known that for a very long time so the goal is to be competitive create your own record companies create your own radio stations get out there and use the Entertainment Medium to support music that supports the Christian perspective in relation to morals and values.
Charlemagne be tryna play Loren like she don’t know what she tryna say………