the origin for this interview, according to Boyd, was in a proposed book about extreme political figures in America - he wrote to plenty of figures (like Farrakhan) hoping to interview them but only Metzger responded.
I think Louis Farrakhan is a salesman and a phony. He tells his community and followers what they want to hear, while he wears silk suits and rides around in a chaffeur-driven Rolls-Royce. Mainstream Islam has rejected that Lewis Farrakhan's _Nation of Islam_ organisation is a legitimate branch of the Muslim faith. That's a fact. Check it out.
Am I missing something here? Putting aside anything else Boyd has said or done, I don't hear ANYTHING racist in what he says. The hosts keep trying to push him in that direction, but he doesn't say anything that would paint him as a racist. And given the tendency of "industrial" "music" to push buttons and cause controversy, this is actually pretty tame.
@@wessaieAre you trying to be deep? Odds are a million to one that everyone involved in this thread and even the people in this video are all part of a simulation. Bits of data being strung out like toilet paper getting sucked into a giant universal toilet. There is no free will. So the answer to the question "Mr horse and Mr Terry are you dead?" Try asking them again like a good believer but they have no answer.
He is choosing to be on an avowedly racist programme. He is providing content, entertainment for a tv station whose purpose is to promote white power. We all have choices to make and here within this context he is provided with an opportunity to speak against the ruling order and chooses not to do so but by choosing to be on such a programme he implicitly states his support for thier outlook. It is not a crime to be a racist or a facist. People are allowed to be such and as is here with this tv channel they are allowed to promote this view. When the ruling order is racist and facist it is important to speak out against the status quo. You are congratulating him for not saying anything racist when his participation suggests this is his world view which is the prevailing order and is not illegal
@5:39 -- Kraftwerk and Gary Numan were hugely popular among black communities in the 80s. Also, the entire electro scene was full of minority artists: Afrikaa Bambaataa, Cybotron, Newcleus, Man Parrish, Derrick May, Egyptian Lover, etc. Also, Chicago House in the early 80s.
Boyd Rice said nothing that was racialy prejudice. Boyd Rice along with being the first 'industrial' musician, is also the first white rapper, doing spoken word over repetitious music and sound. I've also met Boyd Rice, and he does have a very large sense of humour.
I didnt feel like reading all of the 16 pages worth of comments here so it may have been pointed out, but has anyone noticed that Boyd doesn't actually say anything particularly racist here? He's babbling about music, and towards the end he says that electronic/ industrial is one of the first purely white musics, but he never actually expresses any real opinion on race....
Because I've read his books and been researching the guys career. He's the ultimate prankster.. He's also been on other shows as well as radio shows, with Bob Larson for example, and almost every time he goes on one of these shows he expresses a different viewpoint. It's all to entertain an unsuspecting audience. Anyone who falls for it, welll, the joke is on them..
Incorrect. The precedents for "(taking) the stage with electronic equipment and turntables" comes from a long line of experimental artists and composers, many of them academics. The first guy to use turntables to create new music (as far as I know) was John Cage, way back in 1939. Rice is far more in that tradition than anything to do with DJs.
Tibet is why I can’t believe the whole neo folks nazi thing. He has made his views clear regarding the Holocaust and Hitler and the true horror of these things. Now Douglas is a bit of a Bolshevik admittedly but calling people Nazis is exactly why we aren’t having the conversations we need around this.
I completely agree with JLitBakerstreet. I spent a whole night hanging out with some friends and Boyd...everything JLitBakerstreet is true. Boyd is one of the nicest guys I've ever met.
Some feel shocked to see Rice being this way, all thinking it was just mere irony. Just keep telling yourself that and stay the political correct hipster.
I bought a boyd rice tshirt off of his website with printed text 'ideology is toxic'. he's against blind dogmatism and ideologues, both left and rightwing.
Has anyone noticed that Metzger and the co-host are more obsessed with race than Boyd? I mean he pretty much talks about bands he"Knows of" and what "He" is doing. I am not saying he's some great advocate of racial harmony but he sure as hell is not going out of his way to promote some agenda. Not like "Screwdriver" who he mentioned.
Death in June really do look and talk sort of like Blackshirts which is odd to me but i dont know how authentic it is. All i know is Nada is a great album. So is Pagan Muzak.
Douglas in an interview years ago said they use images to showcase the ugliness of mankind. People like to talk about DIJ's use of imagery, but always refuse to talk about the fact that Douglas started off in Crisis, an anti racist anarcho punk group.
Wisdom is hard to just push aside as it is a force that is emergent and experiential it requires praxis. He’s a memetic posthuman evangelist ..He’s a lot like a Burroughsian Joel Coleman of a much higher caliber. Irony is his Schtick. Ballard meets Bill Hicks with the CCRU boiling beneath. If that doesn’t seem accurate then you might not have caught his interest in conversation… he’s a national treasure.
Boyd Rice isn't a racist.. He's not even a nazi or a fascist.. he's doing this for sensational purposes and the getup in his act was all for show and was purely symbolic.
Skinny Puppy-Assimilate? Psychic TV? Acid Horse? Throbbing Gristle-United? Einsturzende Neubauten-ZNS, Haus Der Luge? Ministry-Just Like You, Over The Shoulder? There's plenty of Disco beats in Industrial music, withour going into "Metal with a drum machine" territory.
I for one, haven't been talking JUST about this one incident. He's collaborated with Nazis and other assorted white supremacists several times over the years. I agree that he's not a racist, but it's a fair question.
He’s more than a bit much for sure, quite juvenile and too sure of himself and the importance of his existence, which is hardly a footnote in current music. But the extremists who call everyone a Nazi aren’t helping either.
Hilarious that Metzger got completely fooled by Boyd Rice here who is talking in riddles on this show and putting him on. Made Metzger look like a fool for falling for it. Boyd has been doing this kind of thing his whole life. He loves to pull the wool over people's eyes. Read the book Pranks! by V.Vale to learn more about Boyd's modus operandi.
Ive listened to Boyd Rice (NON) for years, read about him as well. I dont think hes a white supremacist, hes pretty enigmatic, intentionally so, and a prankster, i guarantee hes trolling most of the time he says anything really. He doesnt just want to give people an answer and i doubt he cares if people disapprove of his use of fascist imagery.
Stop trying to think what other people's intentions are. If he or any one else is racially conscious then that is there own business. It may hurt your feelings but that is reality. Underground music isn't meant to be apologetic or accepted by the masses
Boyd of course mixes up Skrewdriver with No Remorse when he's talking about Above the Ruins, though I'm sure Stewart Home / Who Makes the Nazis would allege a genuine connection to Ian Stuart. Despite all that has been made of the No Remorse connection, I don't think Gary Smith actually played on the Above the Ruins record.
@@SN-yv9ke it has come out since that Mark Sutherland of Skrewdriver played with Tony Wakeford on the Above the Ruins album, so disregard my comment of two years prior entirely. Gary Smith doesn't play on any Above the Ruins recordings, but did little bits on early Sol Invictus and Sixth Comm stuff.
Boyd has a weird effect on people. I think he's full of shit, but he fascinates me. I admire the guy for pushing my buttons in the way he does. I always feel smarter after wrangling with something he produced. Sometimes I feel sick to my stomach too. He is a hell of a musician though. Wonderful stuff.
If you take him as a provacateur, he's a genius. Our culture really does put up with a lot of mediocrity in the name of tolerance, and we really don't value exceptional people enough. Offensive ideas don't necessarily hurt anybody. But fascism is fucking stupid. Racism is more stupid. And caring about people is certainly in our own best interest. Boyd flirts extremes because he says it's "stimulating." I agree. He makes me think a lot more than people who I agree with do.
This video is from 1984, a Young pissed off Boyd, I think he did go a bit far with this one, But we are allowed to make mistakes arent we? we all did stupid shit when young, and lucky us, we weren't famous and getting filmed doing it. Further more he doesnt even say he is a racist. Boyd is Boyd, no one like him on earth. He is still doing his best to piss of and insult self rightous people to this day. Im grateful weve got Boyd, to fan the flames of controversy. thanks! Keep it up!
I think you misunderstand, the hosts don't have a clue but Boyd seems to concur since he refers to "industrial" music, I don't know myself of hip hop groups that would call their music industrial music, though all music i might add has electronics influence since all non folk music uses electricity, Bob Dylan played around with this thought long ago. But I find Boyd interesting but kind of out in right field if you know what i mean, I think he seeks high culture, which I take to mean aristocracy
axisoffire. . . I think it's important to mention the black people because Boyd Rice seems to think that he has somehow stepped outside of American History and created some kind of totally "white" music. You are correct about Boyd's influences, but you can't forget that black music helped lay out some of the goundwork for industrial music too.
i can't tell if rice is a sincere nazi, as opposed to someone who just likes court controversy. his belief that rape is acceptable, sick as it is, was something he was willing to commit an article in his own name to. he may have thought that he was getting it over on these guys, but the association has marred his reputation for years.
Very ridiculous; underground/dance music, was created in New York's mostly gay community by (Larry Levan) in the 70's. It was heavily influenced by disco & r&b; later becoming even more electronic during the 80's. Message!
I suppose since this stuff is so unpopular it might be understood as some kind of misanthropic statement or other, but still. Levay expressed some sympathy for fascist asthetics, but he just talked about the asthetics. Who knows. Also, the idea that industrial music is "white" makes since only if you ignore it's roots in funk music. Droning abrasiveness is just a post-punk interpretation of James Brown's vamping. No funk, no disco, no industrial.
I actually admire Boyd's willingness to engage these people. I personally am fascinated by far-out ideas. Boyd's project of creating a vision confrontational counterculture from such diverse, paradoxical stuff is really interesting. I dunno. I guess I'm frustrated by Boyd's refusal to ever just come out and say that he's not a racist. He always finds a way to weasel out of it. I think he thinks it would deflate his mystique if he were more straightforward.
Listen to Boyd Rice's interview with Bob Larson if you have not already. It's crazy! Boyd Rice may have views that are very controversial to some people, but the man states his opinion with tact. Who said he didn't have a sense of humor? Was that a joke? Watch his video about getting arrested for having a skinned animal head to meet Betty Ford.
I agree that Boyd's music doesn't have much to do with dance music, but a lot of other industrial music does. Unless you want to limit the term to just art terrorists drawing from stuff like situationalism and Dadaism. That's pretty exclusive company.
A lot of Dicso records were produced in Sweden. Donna Summer, despite being a black American woman, is really more of a European artist than an American one. Swedish disco records, which obviously borrow from black American funk records, were innovative because they used lots of trancey synths. That's really the breakthrough that opened the way for techno and industrial music. And lots of industrial artists use disco beats.
"Because of the spiritual enlightenment which I was blessed to receive as the result of my recent pilgrimage to the holy city of Makkah, I no longer subscribe to sweeping indictments of any one race. I am now striving to live the life of a true Sunni Muslim. I must repeat that I am not a racist nor do I subscribe to the tenets of racism. I can state in all sincerity that I wish nothing but freedom, justice and equality, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for all people."-MX
I know what FOI is, but it's part of the NOI. Read some history before you go calling people liars: "remember the time that white college girl came into the restaurant - the one who wanted to help the Muslims and the whites get together - and I told her there wasn't a ghost of a chance and she went away crying? Well, I've lived to regret that incident. In many parts of the African continent I saw white students helping black people. Something like this kills a lot of argument."-MX
But also you can see Boyd has rubbed shoulders with people that have strange ideas about colors. Since they are unaware that they themselves create color with their eyes in one way, and animals see colors in other ways they are ignoring evidence that contradicts their theories, which are based in ignorance, but I can understand wanting culture to be more sophisticated but using racial theories will not get the results Boyd desires, but I think he learned this by now, maybe?
@VitoPossilipo India was literally "hand selected" by transnational economic interests to be the recipient of all of these IT schools. They could have "chosen" Nigeria, in which case there would be Nigerians all over Silicon Valley and you would be singing the praises for all of those "Nigerian geniuses." Try using your head.
This is hilarious. They expected Boyd to goose-step his way in, flash a Nazi salute and shout “white power!”, and instead he gave them the most boring, tame, and deliberately deceptive interview ever.
@Time2Keeper1 It's not about whether its hard to believe or not. There's just no evidence based on this interview that he's on the show for anything but a laugh.
Boyd's not exactly a racist, but he doesn't condemn racism. He is a kind of intellectual fascist, and he's into weird European occultism, and so he has some things in common with racists. He's like a non-racist Nazi. Power to the strong, says Boyd. I dunno who he thinks the strong are exactly, but anyway. . .
I admire the guy myself, but I'm not sure I'd want to push things as far as he has. His shows have attracted a lot of far right people because of stuff like this. Fascist aesthetics are really provacative, but actual fascists not so much. I say that, but I've tons of fascist literature myself, so maybe I'm just being uptight. I wonder if Tom Metzger would want to be associated with Satanism. Nobody ever mentions Rice's CoS involvment during the interview.
Look, I'm willing to say that people can reform, and this definitely an ugly side to Rice's past, but I really don't see why people ridicule people when they lead a life that has evolved from perhaps a darker place such as this. There's no way one person can be perfect, and that doesn't make him justified, but there are definitely some things he says that I agree and disagree with.
I thought I should acknowledge that I know Boyd Rice was a long time friend of Levay and a long time representative of the Church of Satan, but he's resisted being pigeonholed as a Satanist. I supposed he's resisted being pigeonholed as a fascist too, but I don't like his choice to help connect the dots between the two. I suppose if he didn't piss people off, it wouldn't have been worth doing.
I dunno. You at least have to admit that since Boyd likes to fuck around with old pop records in his act, and since American pop music couldn't exist without black folks, his music isn't really "purely white," which was my original complaint. You can't love American junk culture, which Boyd clearly does, while claiming only to be dealing with "white" cultures. He's a hell of a musician either way.
i am just individualistic enough not to follow any established movements or ideas. also, you are talking with no real prove. "people who fall out of touch with their roots are the real losers". how can you prove that and what does a loser mean exactly? i don't think that my life means less (or more) than yours, just because you believe something that's only in your head (aka call it illusion). everything is a question of relativity.
What's wrong with being a "racialist"? Nothing. We are free to feel, think & say what we want about race in the US. Of course, one must obey the law when interacting with other races & one should treat others decently-but you don't have to "like" them or believe that they are in any way "equal," except before the law.
What gives with Boyd, Douglas P, David Tibet, or any of those guys. DIJ came from a socialist/leftist punk band, and a Current 93 family tree inside one of their records has Skrewdriver crossed out, yet at the time they all seemed to be flirting with this highly intelligent-sounding (i.e., not dumb skinhead stuff) version of racist politics in their music. Is it about trying to be purposely oblique so no one can pin them down? Is it shock? what the hell?
I think the best way to describe what he's really doing, by going on shows like this and others is he's taking shots at xtians by portraying them as fascists.
Current 93 is the least racist band in that entire neo-folk movement Sure, he has ties with fascist idiots, but I'm pretty sure David Tibet doesn't have those beliefs.
Boyd Rice's music really has more to do with conceptual art like Dadaism than with funk, but some of the precedents for a guy to take the stage with electronic equipment and turntables come from Black and Jamacan artists.
Hmmm... Nope! It's not funny. I'm not saying it's dangerously racist and evil necessarily, but you have to redefine comedy to think this is funny. And I LOVE awkward and offensive public access tapes. But I know, identity politics are so irresistibly EDGY! Is the aspect ratio a subtle joke too? What about his career, is that the joke? Because whining about other's perceptions after appearing on a crack-pot public access shit-show is kinda funny. Don't get me wrong, he's no Andy Kaufman! It's more like having putrid odors coming from your basement and boarded up windows and asking, "what is all the curiosity about?" I can't wrap my head around this comedy !
the origin for this interview, according to Boyd, was in a proposed book about extreme political figures in America - he wrote to plenty of figures (like Farrakhan) hoping to interview them but only Metzger responded.
I think Louis Farrakhan is a salesman and a phony. He tells his community and followers what they want to hear, while he wears silk suits and rides around in a chaffeur-driven Rolls-Royce. Mainstream Islam has rejected that Lewis Farrakhan's _Nation of Islam_ organisation is a legitimate branch of the Muslim faith. That's a fact. Check it out.
Shame Farrakhan denied him, it would have been a based interview.
I was recommended this after a search for a Rose McDowall interview
Am I missing something here? Putting aside anything else Boyd has said or done, I don't hear ANYTHING racist in what he says. The hosts keep trying to push him in that direction, but he doesn't say anything that would paint him as a racist. And given the tendency of "industrial" "music" to push buttons and cause controversy, this is actually pretty tame.
Facts
You Still alive terry?
@@bojackhorseman3224 I dont know if he is mr horse
@@wessaieAre you trying to be deep? Odds are a million to one that everyone involved in this thread and even the people in this video are all part of a simulation. Bits of data being strung out like toilet paper getting sucked into a giant universal toilet. There is no free will. So the answer to the question "Mr horse and Mr Terry are you dead?" Try asking them again like a good believer but they have no answer.
He is choosing to be on an avowedly racist programme. He is providing content, entertainment for a tv station whose purpose is to promote white power. We all have choices to make and here within this context he is provided with an opportunity to speak against the ruling order and chooses not to do so but by choosing to be on such a programme he implicitly states his support for thier outlook. It is not a crime to be a racist or a facist. People are allowed to be such and as is here with this tv channel they are allowed to promote this view. When the ruling order is racist and facist it is important to speak out against the status quo. You are congratulating him for not saying anything racist when his participation suggests this is his world view which is the prevailing order and is not illegal
@5:39 -- Kraftwerk and Gary Numan were hugely popular among black communities in the 80s. Also, the entire electro scene was full of minority artists: Afrikaa Bambaataa, Cybotron, Newcleus, Man Parrish, Derrick May, Egyptian Lover, etc. Also, Chicago House in the early 80s.
Just thought this watching the video, and I see you were thinking the very same thing (7 years before) - glad to read this!
It's funny, whites created even hiphop.
lol boyd rice looks like the guy from office space
Literally
Boyd Rice said nothing that was racialy prejudice.
Boyd Rice along with being the first 'industrial' musician, is also the first white rapper, doing spoken word over repetitious music and sound.
I've also met Boyd Rice, and he does have a very large sense of humour.
I didnt feel like reading all of the 16 pages worth of comments here so it may have been pointed out, but has anyone noticed that Boyd doesn't actually say anything particularly racist here?
He's babbling about music, and towards the end he says that electronic/ industrial is one of the first purely white musics, but he never actually expresses any real opinion on race....
Years later, I have to point out that he remarks that _the press_ said that.
Because I've read his books and been researching the guys career. He's the ultimate prankster.. He's also been on other shows as well as radio shows, with Bob Larson for example, and almost every time he goes on one of these shows he expresses a different viewpoint. It's all to entertain an unsuspecting audience. Anyone who falls for it, welll, the joke is on them..
He is a nazi it’s quite well known
I'm pretty sure Boyd is trolling you, kid.
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The mental gymnastics people do to avoid the uncomfortable truth blow my mind.
Incorrect. The precedents for "(taking) the stage with electronic equipment and turntables" comes from a long line of experimental artists and composers, many of them academics. The first guy to use turntables to create new music (as far as I know) was John Cage, way back in 1939. Rice is far more in that tradition than anything to do with DJs.
stockhausen as well
His voice is so relaxing.
It's funny to him because it shocks everyone who doesn't get it. He gets off on shocking people.. He simply just does't give a single damn..
ngl metzger seems mad chill tbh 👌😤💯💯
Metzger was a fairly personable guy. He even spoke at a New Black Panthers meeting and received a standing ovation.
He's totally fucking with them. Especially when he starts talking about David Tibet moving towards a more "Racialist" perspective ...
Tibet is why I can’t believe the whole neo folks nazi thing. He has made his views clear regarding the Holocaust and Hitler and the true horror of these things. Now Douglas is a bit of a Bolshevik admittedly but calling people Nazis is exactly why we aren’t having the conversations we need around this.
That part about Current 93 moving racialist is completely made up and absurd.
@@josephtatar3271that was the point, he was trolling them
I completely agree with JLitBakerstreet. I spent a whole night hanging out with some friends and Boyd...everything JLitBakerstreet is true. Boyd is one of the nicest guys I've ever met.
Some feel shocked to see Rice being this way, all thinking it was just mere irony.
Just keep telling yourself that and stay the political correct hipster.
I love this video. Boyd is clearly trolling both the right-wing racists and liberals at the same time, simply by appearing in this video.
The B and R in Boyd Rice stand for based and redpilled
actually they stand for Boyd Rice
@@nyssalikesbugsUmmmmm actually 🤓
Bruh
Boyd is a legendary troll
How is embarrassing himself 'trolling'?
@@SM-mx1ithe was trolling that dickhead Tom Metzger
I bought a boyd rice tshirt off of his website with printed text 'ideology is toxic'. he's against blind dogmatism and ideologues, both left and rightwing.
Has anyone noticed that Metzger and the co-host are more obsessed with race than Boyd? I mean he pretty much talks about bands he"Knows of" and what "He" is doing. I am not saying he's some great advocate of racial harmony but he sure as hell is not going out of his way to promote some agenda. Not like "Screwdriver" who he mentioned.
Death in June really do look and talk sort of like Blackshirts which is odd to me but i dont know how authentic it is. All i know is Nada is a great album. So is Pagan Muzak.
Douglas in an interview years ago said they use images to showcase the ugliness of mankind. People like to talk about DIJ's use of imagery, but always refuse to talk about the fact that Douglas started off in Crisis, an anti racist anarcho punk group.
For a misantrhrope Boyd sure likes human attention...
Wisdom is hard to just push aside as it is a force that is emergent and experiential it requires praxis. He’s a memetic posthuman evangelist ..He’s a lot like a Burroughsian Joel Coleman of a much higher caliber. Irony is his Schtick. Ballard meets Bill Hicks with the CCRU boiling beneath. If that doesn’t seem accurate then you might not have caught his interest in conversation… he’s a national treasure.
Well i'm a black racist and I love Boyd Rice's music. :)
Then why don't you live in Africa?
@@Nonsens67probably just a cuck
I’m horny
Ffs he is trolling them. Is that so hard to see?
although i think he is somewhat racist i can tell when hes messing with people
Boyd Rice isn't a racist.. He's not even a nazi or a fascist.. he's doing this for sensational purposes and the getup in his act was all for show and was purely symbolic.
you dont need to be fascist o national socialist to be racist.
And according to some everyone is a racist, so than the word doesn’t mean anything.
Gosh it's all a deadpan comedy. Boyd was the best troll of his time
he is a DRUID, we have our own thing.
Skinny Puppy-Assimilate?
Psychic TV?
Acid Horse?
Throbbing Gristle-United?
Einsturzende Neubauten-ZNS, Haus Der Luge?
Ministry-Just Like You, Over The Shoulder?
There's plenty of Disco beats in Industrial music, withour going into "Metal with a drum machine" territory.
Boyd was a pioneer in that scene and friends with many of them
I only watched this to see if he mentioned Rose McDowall ...
Nothing wrong or unnatural about being a racist, this music isn’t for you if you can’t and won’t see it.
Rice has never claimed that he worships some satanic entity. Saying he did proves you know nothing about him.
Hate is as natural as love, to deny either is self destructive.
and people really hate more than they love, hence 2023, but thats what you get in a human race run by non humans sucking life.
I for one, haven't been talking JUST about this one incident. He's collaborated with Nazis and other assorted white supremacists several times over the years. I agree that he's not a racist, but it's a fair question.
He’s more than a bit much for sure, quite juvenile and too sure of himself and the importance of his existence, which is hardly a footnote in current music. But the extremists who call everyone a Nazi aren’t helping either.
Which Nazis ?
Hilarious that Metzger got completely fooled by Boyd Rice here who is talking in riddles on this show and putting him on. Made Metzger look like a fool for falling for it. Boyd has been doing this kind of thing his whole life. He loves to pull the wool over people's eyes. Read the book Pranks! by V.Vale to learn more about Boyd's modus operandi.
Ive listened to Boyd Rice (NON) for years, read about him as well. I dont think hes a white supremacist, hes pretty enigmatic, intentionally so, and a prankster, i guarantee hes trolling most of the time he says anything really. He doesnt just want to give people an answer and i doubt he cares if people disapprove of his use of fascist imagery.
Ah classic Rice. Great prankster
This was a prank, Rice showing up on this show and he pulled it off very well.
James Anti
Nonsense.
Stop trying to think what other people's intentions are. If he or any one else is racially conscious then that is there own business. It may hurt your feelings but that is reality. Underground music isn't meant to be apologetic or accepted by the masses
Boyd of course mixes up Skrewdriver with No Remorse when he's talking about Above the Ruins, though I'm sure Stewart Home / Who Makes the Nazis would allege a genuine connection to Ian Stuart. Despite all that has been made of the No Remorse connection, I don't think Gary Smith actually played on the Above the Ruins record.
Gareth Smith was a member of Above The Ruins www.discogs.com/artist/98515-Above-The-Ruins
@@SN-yv9ke it has come out since that Mark Sutherland of Skrewdriver played with Tony Wakeford on the Above the Ruins album, so disregard my comment of two years prior entirely. Gary Smith doesn't play on any Above the Ruins recordings, but did little bits on early Sol Invictus and Sixth Comm stuff.
"Racialist"? What the hell does that mean?
Most of those "industrial" performers are just full of it, meaning they're just puting on an act.
Boyd has a weird effect on people. I think he's full of shit, but he fascinates me. I admire the guy for pushing my buttons in the way he does. I always feel smarter after wrangling with something he produced. Sometimes I feel sick to my stomach too. He is a hell of a musician though. Wonderful stuff.
If you take him as a provacateur, he's a genius. Our culture really does put up with a lot of mediocrity in the name of tolerance, and we really don't value exceptional people enough. Offensive ideas don't necessarily hurt anybody. But fascism is fucking stupid. Racism is more stupid. And caring about people is certainly in our own best interest. Boyd flirts extremes because he says it's "stimulating." I agree. He makes me think a lot more than people who I agree with do.
He flirts with fascism because he is a fascist.
This video is from 1984, a Young pissed off Boyd, I think he did go a bit far with this one, But we are allowed to make mistakes arent we? we all did stupid shit when young, and lucky us, we weren't famous and getting filmed doing it. Further more he doesnt even say he is a racist.
Boyd is Boyd, no one like him on earth.
He is still doing his best to piss of and insult self rightous people to this day.
Im grateful weve got Boyd, to fan the flames of controversy. thanks! Keep it up!
I think you misunderstand, the hosts don't have a clue but Boyd seems to concur since he refers to "industrial" music, I don't know myself of hip hop groups that would call their music industrial music, though all music i might add has electronics influence since all non folk music uses electricity, Bob Dylan played around with this thought long ago. But I find Boyd interesting but kind of out in right field if you know what i mean, I think he seeks high culture, which I take to mean aristocracy
axisoffire. . . I think it's important to mention the black people because Boyd Rice seems to think that he has somehow stepped outside of American History and created some kind of totally "white" music. You are correct about Boyd's influences, but you can't forget that black music helped lay out some of the goundwork for industrial music too.
so basically racialist means you're pseudointellectual instead of just crazy?
i can't tell if rice is a sincere nazi, as opposed to someone who just likes court controversy. his belief that rape is acceptable, sick as it is, was something he was willing to commit an article in his own name to.
he may have thought that he was getting it over on these guys, but the association has marred his reputation for years.
The folks who believe the bs about boys are simpletons who should stick to nursery rhymes.
Very ridiculous; underground/dance music, was created in
New York's mostly gay community by (Larry Levan) in the 70's. It was heavily influenced by disco & r&b; later becoming even more electronic during the 80's. Message!
Boyd Rice was great in Office Space.
I suppose since this stuff is so unpopular it might be understood as some kind of misanthropic statement or other, but still. Levay expressed some sympathy for fascist asthetics, but he just talked about the asthetics. Who knows. Also, the idea that industrial music is "white" makes since only if you ignore it's roots in funk music. Droning abrasiveness is just a post-punk interpretation of James Brown's vamping. No funk, no disco, no industrial.
Metzger is so proud of his racial superiority that he has to wear a toupee.
he rocked the bald head later on in life
I actually admire Boyd's willingness to engage these people. I personally am fascinated by far-out ideas. Boyd's project of creating a vision confrontational counterculture from such diverse, paradoxical stuff is really interesting. I dunno. I guess I'm frustrated by Boyd's refusal to ever just come out and say that he's not a racist. He always finds a way to weasel out of it. I think he thinks it would deflate his mystique if he were more straightforward.
Listen to Boyd Rice's interview with Bob Larson if you have not already. It's crazy! Boyd Rice may have views that are very controversial to some people, but the man states his opinion with tact. Who said he didn't have a sense of humor? Was that a joke? Watch his video about getting arrested for having a skinned animal head to meet Betty Ford.
I agree that Boyd's music doesn't have much to do with dance music, but a lot of other industrial music does. Unless you want to limit the term to just art terrorists drawing from stuff like situationalism and Dadaism. That's pretty exclusive company.
skin color is not the only thing about race. there are much more things - shape, form ,etc
Does anyone know who the second Tom is?
Rip Tom Metzger. You will be missed brother
A lot of Dicso records were produced in Sweden. Donna Summer, despite being a black American woman, is really more of a European artist than an American one. Swedish disco records, which obviously borrow from black American funk records, were innovative because they used lots of trancey synths. That's really the breakthrough that opened the way for techno and industrial music. And lots of industrial artists use disco beats.
@kingbillyist He isnt a nazi. If you have heard and read his words you will see that. If you dont then thats a big fail on your part mate.
practical joker
"Because of the spiritual enlightenment which I was blessed to receive as the result of my recent pilgrimage to the holy city of Makkah, I no longer subscribe to sweeping indictments of any one race. I am now striving to live the life of a true Sunni Muslim. I must repeat that I am not a racist nor do I subscribe to the tenets of racism. I can state in all sincerity that I wish nothing but freedom, justice and equality, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for all people."-MX
All the "he's just a provocateur" comments seem to assume that that automatically makes him interesting or worthwhile.
I know what FOI is, but it's part of the NOI.
Read some history before you go calling people liars:
"remember the time that white college girl came into the restaurant - the one who wanted to help the Muslims and the whites get together - and I told her there wasn't a ghost of a chance and she went away crying? Well, I've lived to regret that incident. In many parts of the African continent I saw white students helping black people. Something like this kills a lot of argument."-MX
This foo acts just like me I swear lmaooo
But also you can see Boyd has rubbed shoulders with people that have strange ideas about colors. Since they are unaware that they themselves create color with their eyes in one way, and animals see colors in other ways they are ignoring evidence that contradicts their theories, which are based in ignorance, but I can understand wanting culture to be more sophisticated but using racial theories will not get the results Boyd desires, but I think he learned this by now, maybe?
When was this recorded?
Do you understand who Tom Metzger is?
@Distortion0 Is it so hard to believe that maybe he agrees with some, if not, most of what they say? Would it even be "wrong"?
@VitoPossilipo India was literally "hand selected" by transnational economic interests to be the recipient of all of these IT schools. They could have "chosen" Nigeria, in which case there would be Nigerians all over Silicon Valley and you would be singing the praises for all of those "Nigerian geniuses." Try using your head.
This is hilarious. They expected Boyd to goose-step his way in, flash a Nazi salute and shout “white power!”, and instead he gave them the most boring, tame, and deliberately deceptive interview ever.
@Time2Keeper1 It's not about whether its hard to believe or not. There's just no evidence based on this interview that he's on the show for anything but a laugh.
Boyd's not exactly a racist, but he doesn't condemn racism. He is a kind of intellectual fascist, and he's into weird European occultism, and so he has some things in common with racists. He's like a non-racist Nazi. Power to the strong, says Boyd. I dunno who he thinks the strong are exactly, but anyway. . .
If you listen carefully, Boyd doesn't really say anything racist here. He seems like he's doing it for publicity.
This is publicity like pearls before swine….
Boyd just talking nonsense and making things up as he goes along.
I admire the guy myself, but I'm not sure I'd want to push things as far as he has. His shows have attracted a lot of far right people because of stuff like this. Fascist aesthetics are really provacative, but actual fascists not so much. I say that, but I've tons of fascist literature myself, so maybe I'm just being uptight. I wonder if Tom Metzger would want to be associated with Satanism. Nobody ever mentions Rice's CoS involvment during the interview.
Look, I'm willing to say that people can reform, and this definitely an ugly side to Rice's past, but I really don't see why people ridicule people when they lead a life that has evolved from perhaps a darker place such as this. There's no way one person can be perfect, and that doesn't make him justified, but there are definitely some things he says that I agree and disagree with.
I thought I should acknowledge that I know Boyd Rice was a long time friend of Levay and a long time representative of the Church of Satan, but he's resisted being pigeonholed as a Satanist. I supposed he's resisted being pigeonholed as a fascist too, but I don't like his choice to help connect the dots between the two. I suppose if he didn't piss people off, it wouldn't have been worth doing.
Lmao why the hell not he should have some fun
I dunno. You at least have to admit that since Boyd likes to fuck around with old pop records in his act, and since American pop music couldn't exist without black folks, his music isn't really "purely white," which was my original complaint. You can't love American junk culture, which Boyd clearly does, while claiming only to be dealing with "white" cultures. He's a hell of a musician either way.
i am just individualistic enough not to follow any established movements or ideas. also, you are talking with no real prove. "people who fall out of touch with their roots are the real losers". how can you prove that and what does a loser mean exactly? i don't think that my life means less (or more) than yours, just because you believe something that's only in your head (aka call it illusion). everything is a question of relativity.
that guy is FOURTY EIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Either that's a hard life lead or that's shaving a good 10 years off.
What's wrong with being a "racialist"? Nothing. We are free to feel, think & say what we want about race in the US. Of course, one must obey the law when interacting with other races & one should treat others decently-but you don't have to "like" them or believe that they are in any way "equal," except before the law.
Boyd Rice knows just how to twist the knife for maximum effect, and he seems to have always had it, judging by the responses here.
Kinda based man idk what that video description is
Yep...look at his total perspective on the grand prank...
What gives with Boyd, Douglas P, David Tibet, or any of those guys. DIJ came from a socialist/leftist punk band, and a Current 93 family tree inside one of their records has Skrewdriver crossed out, yet at the time they all seemed to be flirting with this highly intelligent-sounding (i.e., not dumb skinhead stuff) version of racist politics in their music. Is it about trying to be purposely oblique so no one can pin them down? Is it shock? what the hell?
I think they reached for an entirely different perspective beyond left or right labels .
Umm. . . I'm not a fan of white supremacy either, but you're not helping.
I think the best way to describe what he's really doing, by going on shows like this and others is he's taking shots at xtians by portraying them as fascists.
I heard nothing there to condemn Boyd. The other two is another matter entirely.
that sounds a lot like he's been told what to say. some things might be true but..for example 'current 93' about to become a racist band?! huh?
Current 93 is the least racist band in that entire neo-folk movement
Sure, he has ties with fascist idiots, but I'm pretty sure David Tibet doesn't have those beliefs.
That's the joke - he's fucking with them.
eh, some fashy overtones to Swastikas for Noddy
This is hysterical for all the wrong reasons
Not really and he looks Latino or Arab.
Boyd Rice's music really has more to do with conceptual art like Dadaism than with funk, but some of the precedents for a guy to take the stage with electronic equipment and turntables come from Black and Jamacan artists.
David Tibet Is Jewish... Get The "Racial" Joke Now?
Hmmm... Nope! It's not funny. I'm not saying it's dangerously racist and evil necessarily, but you have to redefine comedy to think this is funny. And I LOVE awkward and offensive public access tapes.
But I know, identity politics are so irresistibly EDGY!
Is the aspect ratio a subtle joke too? What about his career, is that the joke? Because whining about other's perceptions after appearing on a crack-pot public access shit-show is kinda funny. Don't get me wrong, he's no Andy Kaufman! It's more like having putrid odors coming from your basement and boarded up windows and asking, "what is all the curiosity about?"
I can't wrap my head around this comedy !
i don't think Tibet is Jewish
He is but not a religious Jew, he's been into a version of Christianity lately
minorities 😹
XD
Nothing wrong with having a white centric music
everyone is racist to some degree....
Boyd Rice=Prankster=Loki...Don't be a dullard. He's loves pulling people's chains.
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