Lost Hero of the Golden Age Ep. 12: Mary Marvel
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
- SUPERGIRL and ISIS are super heroines inspired from a little known GOLDEN AGE super heroine MARY MARVEL. She was the sister of CAPTAIN MARVEL who was one of the most popular super heroes for the 1940s. She was created by SCIENCE FICTION writer OTTO BINDER.
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Another lost mention: About a decade after the live-action Shazam! series had ended, The Marvel Family (Cap, Mary and Jr.) would take to animated form as one-half hour of a show called "The Kids' Super-Power Hour with Shazam!" The other half being an original concept of a high school where super heroes learn how to use their powers as heroes. I have very vivid memories of this because I'd watch this on NBC Saturday morning along with the Smurfs, both programs of which I archived onto audio tape.
They aired much closer together than that. The live-action series ran from 1974-1976 (with reruns continuing through 1977) and was re-aired in 1980; while the Kid Super Power Hour With Shazam ran from 1981-1982.
The Hero High half of the show was actually going to be an Archie superhero show (based on his Pureheart the Powerful identity), and you can still see the characters if you squint. Rex Ruthless, in particular, looks almost exactly like Reggie, and Ms. Grimm is an even closer match for Ms. Grundy.
Captain Marvel, Mary Marvel, and Isis crossed over into Hero High in three episodes ("A Fistful of Knuckles", "Girl of his Dreams", and "Cover Twirl"), and the Hero High cast helped out Captain Marvel in the final episode ("Starmaster and the Solar Mirror") of the Shazam half.
Isis was also part of the team on the very short-lived - only five episodes! - Freedom Force cartoon, along with Hercules from Space Sentinels (with a different voice actor) and three newcomers. The version in Hero High used the Freedom Force design.
For my money, the Marvel Family are the true gems of the Golden Age. When they disappeared in1953 I was broken-hearted. In 1973, when they reappeared, it was as if my childhood had recommenced. By then, I was a professional musician and wrote a big band piece called "The Return of the Big Red Cheese" in honour of Cap's revival.
Hi Dave!!! I would love to hear "The Return of the Big Red Cheese!" I can't tell you how many people I've talked to who felt the same way about Cap's departure in the 50s.
I'd love to let you hear it, FizzFop1, but I don't know how to get it to you! By the way, I did a concert in the late '60s with Duane Eddy ( of the Twangy Guitar ) and he told me that he, too, was a diehard Cap fan!
Very cool! Captain Marvel had disappeared into mystery and legend already by the time I started to be aware of comics in the mid-50's. My mother had kept one panel drawing from a Captain Marvel comic, which was the only way I'd even heard that such a character ever existed. She was fan and told me about the whole Marvel family when i was a little kid---this was the only comic she cared and knew about--she wasn't into sf or comics generally, but did find the Fawcett characters really charming and fun. I treasured that single clipped-out panel for years and tried to imagine what these comics were like and what that character could do and did---this was in the days long LONG before there was anything like comic book stores, or books about such things, and/or comic artist portfolios, easy-access to information/internet, and studies about the field. Binder was a real innovator and told epic, imaginative and wonderfully charming stories. He belongs up there with the "Lee's" and Kirby's of the comic world.
One of my first comics was SHAZAM! #1 when I was 5. Hooked immediately. Somehow our local library had Captain Marvel From The 40's to the 70s, along with Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman. Really let me know the characters from the ground up. It was a tiny slice of heaven.
Then marvel came in the picture and ruin it, due to having a company named marvel and wanted the and succeeded copyrighted the name
Just Mary marvel
And captain marvel jr ones they still used the name marvel
Mary is in the same underrated boat with Cap and Freddy after Whiz Comics folded from DC’s lawsuit. Despite Marvel Comics first family in comics from the 60s Fantastic Four, the Marvels will always be the original first family in comics from the 1940s.
She’s not forgotten. SHAZAM! (2019)
I loved that movie. It was awesome. Dwayne Johnson knows how to produce.
Too bad she does basically nothing during that entire fight at the end.
That is the true Marvel Famliy!
@@christopherg2347 We don't see the lt. Marvels. Where are they?
@@thomasfulmer9638 I said teh Marvel Family:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_Family
Lieutenant Marvels are a differnt team altogether, consisting only of Billy Batsons.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lieutenant_Marvels
P.S.: I really am just lucky it worked out like that. I had no those Lt. Marvels even existed.
Mary Marvel AKA The Maiden Of Mystic Might, god I love this character it is a love letter for the "just a good girl doing good for the sake of been good" troop and she is so much fun to read and flip the pages of her stories. in today's world WE NEED MORE OF IT.
I'm so sad to know about Otto Binders misfortune. A very imaginative person. I also see why ancient alien theory is so creative. It was born out of the mind of a comic book creator, and a particularly imaginative one. I hope Mary Marvel gets some recognition in the Shazam sequel.
Otto and his brother Earl Binder wrote a story called I, Robot for the January 1939 issue of Amazing Stories which influenced Isaac Asimov and helped him create the Three Laws of Robotics. His influence goes way back.
Hi Akira Fitton! I was not aware of that fact! That's awesome! Thanks!
In 1985 Steven Spielberg created a weekly TV show called Amazing Stories!
I was introduced to comics in early 70's after having been indoctrinated with the Superman & Batman T.V. shows. When Captain Marvel appeared on Saturday morning, it made check out the history of this character. As a whole, Cap had more appeal than Superman..flashier costume. And the stories with the whole Marvel family were great. It's time to bring the whole Marvel family to the big screen with a few modern updates..
Excellent! Very well done and informative. I think Otto Binder deserves to have the same kind of recognition that Stan Lee had/has enjoyed for so many decades. The whole Marvel universe was truly inventive, and, to me (with the possible exception of Plastic Man) one of the most unique blends of adventure, whimsy, satire and pure imagination in comics history (and that's saying a lot)! I know that, among others, Harlan Ellison felt that Captain Marvel had reached the highest imaginative heights in the comic world. The idea of a "Bizzaro World" in Superman really is an extension of Binder's Marvel Family universe (as are several other Superman villains). Thanks for this presentation. (and, btw, I can't imagine that Mary Marvel has somehow become just a "footnote", and forgotten...Except to the public at large.)
I always liked the good girl apple pie appeal of Mary Marvel. First time hearing that Judy Garland was the inspiration. I can imagine Miss Sweet Corn Dawn Wells wearing the Mary Marvel costume.
My God, this was awesome! Brings back so many memories--and WOW about Otto Binder, grew up loving his work & had no idea of his tragic story! Thanks for this amazing video!
Forgotten by some loved by many
I remember her from an animated marvel family series in the 80s. It made me put. Capes on my sister's barbies
Swirler Shark-Dragon The Kid Superpower Hour with Shazam, which ran on NBC from September of 1981 to August 1982. Some of the episodes are on UA-cam.
Now I understand that line in the "SUPERGIRL" pilot episode about making a mess on "Otto Binder Bridge". I had read about Mary Marvel but never saw any comics. Captain Marvel, Junior? Missed him - THANKFULLY!
Hi Matthew Markovich!!! Thanks for watching! Captain Marvel Jr. was a lot like Superboy, but before there was a Superboy. If you are interested in reading any of the original Captain Marvel or Mary Marvel stories, you can see them for free at digitalcomicsmuseum.com or comicbookplus.com. You can find darn near the entire Fawcett catalog there. Check it out!
I can't believe she is public domain. The shazam family is so iconic.
Hi Cherry, I'm not an expert on public domain, but from my understanding...parts of the character are in public domain. DC may have trademarked the name to stop people from creating their own new stories.
@@FizzFop1Yeah, you might have to keep her name off your cover. Other than that my understanding is you can build off the early comics that have fallen into public domain as long as you stear clear of anything DC did with the character after that point.
At first I thought the photo of Joanna Cameron (who played Isis) was actually Catherine Zeta-Jones. Joanna passed away in October 2021, age 73. Her middle name was Kara, which, as all fans of Krypton know full well, is Supergirl's birth name.
This is awesome! Thanks for the History lesson
I'm 78. Captain Marvel was my favorite childhood comic. And I adored Mary Marvel! And Captain Marvel, Jr too. I was 9 when the DC lawyers killed them off. I didn't know why, but my comic pals were GONE. Darn! Thank you for the trip!
Hey Tom, if you are interested....all of those original Captain Marvel, Mary Marvel, and Captain Marvel Jr. comics are free to view at comicbookplus.com
Love this series! Please profile Wildcat! He is a great golden age DC character!
Hi Scott Free! Thanks for watching!!! I've wanted to do a DC character for sometime. Wildcat might be that guy.
I miss Mary marvel so much she’s such a complete underrated character in my opinion
When I was growing up, I loved the whole Shazam saga & still do, today! I've always thought more could be done w the Mary Marvel character.
Otto Binder and most writers of the Golden and Silver Age are the most unsung of all the unsung heroes of those eras. But Binder in particular, has not been given enough credit for what was the best period of Superman's long history. The celebrated Silver Age Superman owes so much of it's mythology to Otto Binder. The fact that Mort Weisenger was the editor at that time is certainly a factor as he was known to reject the ideas of a writer, than bring the same idea to another writer and get the credit for it. Weisenger liked to have ALL the spotlight of Superman shine on him, kinda like Stan Lee for the Marvel universe.
It didn't always come thru in the stories because of editorial, but the writing talent in comics in the 40s and 50s was crazy. Manly Wade Wellman, Gardner Fox, Otto Binder, Edmond Hamilton, and Alfred Bester all wrote comics in that era (and beyond in some cases). These guys were pulp mainstays for years!
Mort Weisinger was one of those editors who believed comics were simply for kids. Jim Shooter had problems with him, later went to work for Marvel. Weisinger's editorial style sounded condescending to me.
Otto also helped usher in Silver Age by revamping DC superheroes. He and a brother, wrote collaborations under name Eando Binder, who wrote such classics as I,Robot )not to be confused with an Isaac Asimov story) which was adopted twice in Outer Limits.
A thoroughly well-presented and most enlightening video! Thank you indeed!
I saw the Shazam movie a week ago so I approached this video out of curiosity. Special thanks to whoever made this video
You're welcome Just Frank!
Wow! What an education! Otto Binder is underrated! A true genius!
Hi TroyandMilva! He certainly was a creative genius!
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Great video. Well researched and well presented, congrats..!
Can I nitpick on one tiny point? I know this is pedantry, but... although Secrets of Isis was the first *English language* tv show to headline a superhero female, it wasn't the first superheroine tv show -- I assume that distinction probably goes to Andro Kamen, from the Japanese show, "Suki! Suki!! Majou Sensei!" -- loosely translated as "We Love You, We Love You, Witch Teacher!" The show started in 1971, although the heroine doesn't adopt a costumed alter ego to hide her powers until season two, in 1972. (And while we're on the topic: Helen Slater's Supergirl was far from the first superheroine movie: Darna alone had headlined roughly a dozen movies in the Philippines before Supergirl's mid-1980s debut.)
Anyway, that very very minor niggle aside, thanks again for a superb video. Well done..!!
The Big Cheese and his family also appeared in Batman:Brave and the Bold the Animated Series and they were by far my most favorite episodes.
12:39 Gotta love the illustration of Mary Marvel sitting on the old wizard's lap, with the two bigger heroes leering down at them. If a young lady of that quality ever sat on MY lap, I'd be inclined to utter "SHAZAM" too.
Interesting story about a neat character.,....you kinda dropped the football on Marc Swayze though,...he went on to draw at Charlton for some time until 1956 or so, prior to that he had also drawn the Flyin' Jenny newspaper strip after having taken that over from Russ KeatonTrue enough, Otto Binder was a major comic creator, but Marc Swayze was an awesome artist and studio mates with the likes of Mac Raboy and others.,....Thanks to both these two creators for the hard work!
Fantastic.
Great touch with his signature at the end. This show is SO educational. You kno the tone of this show plays out like Spielberg's "Amazing Stories" or an m.night shamalam type of feeling. It's pretty great! Narrator's voice is a must tho, w/out his inflections shows over, imo
Thank you for sharing this. Never knew about her. It is good to witness and appreciate the groundbreaking successes of the past that inspired what we now have. We must never belittle the past to promote the future. It's all a continuum of creativity
You forgot to mention that Mary Marvel appeared on the Kid Super Power Hour!
Thank-you once again for all your hard work creating these truly inspiring documentaries on my favourite characters and their creators. Your documentaries should be produced into a TV show for the History channel etc. The history of Otto Binders life truly needs to be known by all comic book fans and his daughter Mary's life will always be remembered in Mary Marvels character.
Hi Marc! I won't be surprised one bit to discover some cable channel doing something like this. Now that DC and Disney have their own streaming services, It's only a matter of time before they begin to copy what I'm doing here...although they will have a budget (lol).
Of the 4 Wonder Woman, Supergirl and Rogue, Mary Marvel was my pick then and still is now. SHAZAM!!
Very cool video and informative..
Thank you..⚡⚡⚡⚡
I just found your channel, but let me say that I have enjoyed it to no end!
Glad you like it Brian!
OMIGOD! THANK YOU for making one on MARY MARVEL! I've been a HUGE Catain Marvel fan since I was ten. :) Great vid!
+Nick Walker Thanks for watching Nick! I've been a fan too. Can't wait to see if this Captain Marvel/Shazam movie ever gets off the ground!
Yeah, hope it does someday. I also hope they stay true to the spirirt of the iriginal comics by being cheerful and upbeat, instead of the New52 relaunch where they pretty much turned Billy Batson into a snobby brat. :(
But yeah, if a film ever comes around, or heck a tv show, I'll be watching. :)
I love this channel. I'm always learning something about the history of comics I never knew before.
Thanks. When will you feature the Sandman ?
I have a letter from Otto that he typed himself because he had to white out his mistakes. I had written to DC in 1985 for help in researching my senior history paper on the golden age of comics. Otto sent me the reply. The original Legion of Super-Heroes is my favorite team.
I just have to say that each and every one of these are amazing. Its a pleasure to see these heroes return to life with your channel.
+Eric Schock Thanks Eric! I'm pretty proud of this video. I hope the future videos come out as nice as this one did!
This series is very well done. I have watched several now, and they are all produced with a good mix of fact and passion, a difficult thing to do.
Amazing story. I recommended your channel to Nerd Synch, by the way.
+Bruno Franco Hi Bruno, Glad you found it amazing! Thanks for recommending it! What is Nerd Synch? I will have to look it up. I'm not hip to it.
Was lucky and found in a coin shop that had the last 5 issues of each Marvel Family books. I found out later Fawcett printed only 10/percent of the print run also caMe with free war stamp books given away when you buy war bond stamps.
It is interesting seeing pictures of the people behind all the comics. I read Otto Binder's books.
Love this video and the whole channel's content. It's as perfect as it could be.
Awesome video, lots of great information for a cool character that doesn't get enough spotlight anymore. I was glad to see her in multiversity though
Mary Marvel was my favorite of the Marvel/Shazam family. I was first introduced to the character on the Kid Super Power hour with SHAZAM! Produced by Filmation who also produced the live action version before. I did collect past issues of Shazam from a mom and pop video store that also delt in comics as well as video. I so enjoyed reading those adventures of Mary Marvel and the rest of the Family.
The Marvel family was before my time but this was a nice tribute.
I'm glad that the Marvel Family's finally getting some recognition thanks to the Shazam movie. I wish Mary could get a solo book, but what would it be called? Mary Shazam? Ms. Shazam?
I honestly think they should use Miracle as the new marvel name. So it would be Captain Miracle, Mary Miracle, Captain Miracle Jr etc.
@@chancellorpalpatine4035 I think that could very well work
@@chancellorpalpatine4035 I really like that!
Fascinating background on the name, creation, and everything about Mary Marvel. You actually learn a lot about the history of the characters. Knew about DC killing the Marvels and Faucet Publications but the background - nothing. Thanks for doing this. Otto Binder had a tragic life by the end, very interesting to learn about him.
Thanks the great video. I always wondered about the Marvel family.
Binder is one of those people who had a wonderful and sad life.
As a boy, I was a member of the Capt. Marvel Club. I also had a crush on Mary Marvel. I never knew the real story of the disappearance of the magazines, until now. I learned well after the fact that there had been a suit so I thought DC was THE villain. When they brought out "Shazam" my reaction was sort of "I'm not even going to check it out and reward them for basically stealing those characters.". My opinion has been modified by knowing the publisher went under for other reasons. Thank you.
Hi Craig! DC had their part in the demise of Fawcett--but that was one of many factors. If anything, I recommend you find DC's Shazam#1 from 1972. It has CC Beck artwork in it and a Otto Binder cameo.
You should also check out the Crisis on Infinite Earths storyline and their massive tie-ins. Even though this came out 8 years before I was born, I still read the trade paperback. Now that DC has its own app( DC Universe. Seriously, you should check it out), you can still read the Shazam comics you missed from the 70's (hoping theyre in that app).
A very nostalgic review of her origin . very great work . thank you for posting this video of Mary MARVEL.
As a huge fan of the Marvel Family this is great! Quality video, man, I hope you get more exposure! I'll do my best to spread the word!
+Hefbit Thanks Hefbit!!!
FizzFop1 The three biggest comic UA-camrs are probably NerdSync, Variant, and Comicstorian or even arguably ComicsDrake. I could easily see you right up there with them. This series is uniquely focused and differs from what each of those channels do. They may briefly touch on Golden Age but you own it, man. Got a sub from me!
+Hefbit I agree with Hefbit -- you put out quality videos, again and again. Great stuff. Thanks again.
+Hefbit Thanks again Hefbit! I wish I could get these out faster. I think I started reading up on Mary Marvel last summer (6-7 months ago?). I guess that's where the choice between quality and quantity comes in.
+Hefbit
Great video. Yes, Mary Marvel preceded Supergirl by least 15 years. But Otto Binder created both characters. DC had brought him over to help revamp Superman for the Silver Age, making him a bit more like Captain Marvel.
she was in the justice league as well
GREAT CLIP! ENJOYED ALL THE BACKGROUND INFO/TRIVIA 🦸♀️🦸
Captain Marvel and the rest of the Marvel Family were always my favorites! I consider Marvel Comics Group to be the "bad guys" for hijacking the character name
I would say National/DC are the bad guys for suing Fawcett and ending the original comics.
"Isis was heavily inspired by Mary Marvel"
Lol
She's been in many comics during my life. She was usually a supporting character but she certainly hasn't been forgotten. She even fought alongside the JLA.
The 1940s Captain Martvel serial is genuinely good and the effects are amazing, still.
+Ross Mandell Hi Ross! Thanks for watching! I love the CM movie serial! I love the stunt work in it. I read somewhere that they had a specific stuntman who handled landings and take offs. That guy's jumps blows away today's CGI.
Captain Marvel's flight was way ahead of its time. D.C. had to use a cartoon to show Superman's flying. Very sad. I rented the serial when it was available on VHS. Planned on buying a copy but never did. Wonder if it's available on DVD?
Mary Marvel was a pioneer in the comic book world….
Mr. Binder created both a new universe as well as a new family, which he would do again for Superman….
A very interesting video
That was a a GREAT vid. Thanks for posting!
The Eando Binder short story I, Robot, which so inspired Isaac Asimov, has also been replicated numerous times, especially by the Star Trek franchise, examples ST:TNG "the Measure of a Man" and ST:VOY "Author, Author"
Otto Binder was truly a wellspring of creativity in the field of 20th Century fantastic fiction.
Always loved the Marvel family. Mary was my favorite.
You forgot Peggy Allen, the Woman in Red as the First Costumed Superheroine.
OH my....I remember Mary Marvel very well....plus all the others i used to watch or read in the comics which i owned many Super Heroes and i had one with Mary Marvel as well....goes to show my age....LOL....thank you for sharing this...brings back many memories for me....SHAZAM !!!!!!
As far as Golden Age stuff, I prefer Fawcett and Quality to Timely and DC. It's no wonder the latter snapped up these companies' stables of characters.
And you note correctly that the DC universe became much richer after absorbing the other talent.
Love the Marvel Family!
Those GA stories are so much fun.
Shame DC doesn't seem to know what to do with them.
man .....lets not forget the horrible tragedy of losing a child..shit that would kill me , I hope he is in peace.
Hi CaptainEgg! Thanks for watching! Yeah, I feel the same way. The Binders sound like awesome people. There's an article on-line about the Binders--it's an interview with their next door neighbor who was the same age as Mary. He tells how great they were and how far they fell after Mary's death. It's a very sad story.
I remember finding a few GA Cap Marvel titles online nd loved em. Then I found Mary nd loved her too. The whole Marvel family gets shafted a lot
Captain Marvel was also featured in the 1950s Jack Carson film The Good Humor Man! Another character that deserves attention is Kid Eternity.
Hi Anthony!!! Kid Eternity would make a great Lost Hero episode!!! I have to check out The Good Humor Man. I don't know that film.
FizzFop1 When you see the Good Humor Man you're facts about the good captain's popularity will be confirmed! Frank Tashlin who wrote the Good Humor Man was an animator before becoming a film director. On that note check out his Martin and Lewis film Artists and Models which deals with the comic book witch hunts and features the comic book heroine the Bat Lady who is the focus of comic book violence! 2 films that should be shown at ComicCons .
good bit of information nicely done
Your videos could be the basis of 20th century pulp literature study...
It would be great to see a historical / psychological analysis of where the superhero genre emerged and what purpose it serves...
There is a lot to discuss there David.
The Shazam! comic series in the 1970s was pretty good, but my favorite run, short as it is, was when the comic was cancelled and the characters were moved over to World's Finest. Written by E. Nelson Bridwell and drawn by Don Newton, it featured some pretty good stories with the Marvel Family and even other guests like Bulletman and Bulletgirl.
Wonderful thank you
Georgia Sivana... That has to be one of the cleverest comic villain names ever.
Great history- the more I watch - the more I want to know. Would love to see the history of Namor
she does appear in alternate universe form in DC Bombshells , a 40's good-girl-art inspired title...
I recall all of the Marvel family. I'm glad that the whole Marvel family was brought in the new film. I also recall the time that Captain Marvel's costume changed from red to white. BTW, I never missed an episode of "Isis."
Hi Alex! I never missed an episode of Isis either...most of them are on UA-cam...watched them again-they don't hold up to the memory. lol
Lou Schiemer of Filmation told me over lunch that the reason why Mary Marvel and Capt. Marvel, Jr. were not adapted for live action was because Filmation would have to pay DC for licensing the characters. This didn't prevent Filmation from adapting them in animated form in 1981.
I think I learned more about Otto Q. Binder than Mary Marvel(I knew about Mary). And that's a good thing. Will be looking for more of his stuff....I think I have one of his books....
For all the Golden age covers I seen, I never had Judy pegged for a visual inspiration for Mary.
So far, aside from her we have Fred MacMurray for Cap himself and Elvis being a CM Jr fan. Now I wanna fancast Ed Wynn as Dudley
Excellent documentary!
Very well done! Thank you!
Thank u soo much..I didnt know this much about Mary Marvel...:)
dc should bring her back
Oh man this was a sad one. Really feel bad for Otto and his family. At least they can now Rest In Peace together.
I remember a cartoon with twins lost in a magical land. Like Mary, they each wore half a pendant. When they put the two halves together and shouted "Shazam" a genie would come to their help. Another Mary Marvel inspiration?
That was "Shazzan" (Hanna Barbera, 1967/1968)
The siblings named Chuck and Nancy, didn't have powers nor were superheroes.
Considering this hero's history it is criminal what DC comics has done with and to her character.It truly saddens me,good grief, if they couldn't figure out anything to do with her why not kill her outright instead of transforming a positive ideal into a negative smear.
I LOVE HER! SHE's One of my Fav
For anybody interested you can find most of the original Fawcett comics free to download on line, I love Otto Binder's stories both for the Marvel Family and DC. They tended to be much less dark and violent than most other comics in the early 1940's relying more on a sense of humor. Mary Binder's death in a 1967 car accident was ironically at the same age of 15 that Supergirl was when she first appeared in 1958 and Otto Binder also wrote a Twilight Zone episode about a robot who saves a little girl from an oddly similar accident.
She was prominent in DC"s Power of Shazam, a title published in the early 90"s.
I loved that title! Jerry Ordway did the art. It ran for 47 issues.
That autograph, literally one day after I was born.
An fascinating character and a tragic figure. What a great story! ⚡⚡⚡⚡💛💛❤❤
Found Her! She's in this month's issue of Shazam 1.
With the new Shazam film, I hope that the Marvels come back soon. I fucking loved Mary Marvel in the new film and also I do love strong female characters too, and Mary Marvel do deserve some attention such as Supergirl and Batgirl.
Fascinating. Great job!
good job but it wasn't really about Mary Marvel. what's her story after DC bought the characters, 80's 90"s?