The Challenge of Remaking Resident Evil 2 & 3 | Design Dive
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2024
- In this third episode of the Design Dive series 'Revisiting Evil', we look at the remakes of Resident Evil 2 and 3: two games that have effectively rekindled 'classic' survival horror games for a modern era. We explore the challenge of bringing them back to a modern audience; establishing what makes them so compelling as they adopt elements from previous games, as well as the limitations that somewhat stifle the experience.
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Chapters
[00:00] Intro
[01:16] Revisiting Evil
[04:46] Welcome Back
[07:33] Reanimation
[09:50] The Three C's
[11:34] Bioweapons
[14:16] Mr X
[17:19] The Nemesis
[20:50] The Future of Survival Horror
[22:41] Closing & Credits
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For some of the more 'cinematic' footage capture, I used the 'Injectable Generic Camera System', which you can compile and execute with the PC (Steam) build of Resident Evil 2.
github.com/FransBouma/Injecta...
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With part 3 of Revisiting Evil, we've almost caught up with the modern day! Join me soon in part 4 in which the conversation on Mr X and Nemesis continues very much into Biohazard and Village. Given those two games effectively sandwich the two remakes and show a continuation of the trend.
Also, to reiterate from the description, the special camera shots in REmake 2 are achieved using the following mod:
github.com/FransBouma/InjectableGenericCameraSystem
Another observation point about Mr.X and his ability to enter 'safe rooms' I found is that all of those room are dead end and contain small corridor.
I believe that in addition of not annoying player when they are saving or doing inventory is that; If Mr.X enter those area there's high chance that the player will be soft-lock and has to reload.
This is because you can't kill Mr.X, and when down Mr.X body will block player movement. If Mr.X enter those area player may be in a situation where there's nothing they can do to exist the room because Mr.X will bodyblock them until they die.
Astute observation, I believe you are correct.
@@Badguy292 I did down Mr.X on the stair and he complete block the path, making me wait until he get back up (and wasting my ammo). So I tend to be mindful of small corridor that I shouldn't down him.
@@put1996 you don't need to down him at all, specially on Hardcore difficulty where ammo is very needed for late game encounters. He is very easy to avoid because he is slow, he can be annoying when you need to go some direction and he blocks it so you need to go around the whole place sometimes lol.
@@snchez2106 I was speedrunning and I kill most enemy with knife and save ammo for Mr.X RNG. It's not about avoiding him, it's about getting pass him as fast as possible.
It's double annoying when even down he still bodyblock the corridor.
I'm excited for the remake of Dead Space, there are videos on UA-cam where the developers have shown some of their work and it looks impressive. Something interesting about the remake of Dead Space is what the developers call peeling, as the necromorphs take damage, their flesh begins to peel away from the bone.
Pity they basically need to reboot the series though due to EA's meddling and piss poor consideration of what fans want
@@davidjsaul not to mention shutting down Visceral. Left a bad taste in my mouth.
The lighting has got to be one of the best improvements to the RPD. Its contribution to the atmosphere cannot be overstated.
I feel that most of the issues with the Nemesis encounters in 3 can probably be explained by the same thing affecting everything else in that game: lack of money, lack of time. After the huge success of 2 it's truly a crime how horribly Capcom mishandled the development of the sequel.
It was developed alongside 2 and was at one point considered as DLC.
fun fact the same happened to the original re3, I didn't like that much the original re3 for the same reason and it's sad that they could have fixed it with the remake but instead they just did the same mistake lmao.
@@emulation2369 RE3R was developed by M2, a secondary smaller team. RE2R was developed by the Main Team and I don't know if you're aware of the Feedback sessions they did with the MCQ type of QnA for RE3, Capcom now cares about feedbacks especially after fiasco of RE5 and RE6. RE4 is being developed by the Main Team not M2 and also RE Village was Revelations 3 and was set to be released a year earlier but the feedback from the players was so strong that they decided to give it 1 more year in the oven to change the story and released it as RE8 Village instead of Revelations 3. The original RE8 is still alive and will probably be released as RE9. RE4R is a bigger project, just take a look at its legacy. I just hope it lives up to the original or at least stands out in a meaningful way. If not then we already have original RE4 especially with the HD Mod released for PC this year.
P.S: I agree about them being greedy, there games don't have regional prices enabled which makes it extremely tough for people living in 3rd World countries like my self to buy. I did buy RE Village on Day 1 cuz I saved up for it but you get the point.
A difference between X and Nemesis is that,on higher dificulty, Nemesis can enter a Save Room ( the bold cutters area in downtown)
Honestly, I was hoping to see a little more detail on the AI behaviors of units in those games. For example, I noticed that both those stalkers have a problem with "Door Ownership". If you slightly open a door, they can't pass through the door, they can't push it either since it is on player's ownership. Therefore they just get stuck and after a minute they loose you due to their BT timeout on being stuck branch I suppose.Then they go back to search behavior. But such an obvious thing is very well hidden unless you specifically look for it. And when you look for it, it makes the game super easy to play since MrX doesn't pose no threat unless you get caught up in lickers in the otherside. There are many other things for regular zombies and lickers that the game does some trickery for. For example, how does zombies chunked together turn out to see you? As if their AI broadcasts signals in a sphere nearby to notify their fellows so that once a unit sees you, nearby will too. This is more of a thing in the classic REs. But it would have been better to get a bit more detailed analysis and comparison. :/
Yeah, for a channel called "AI and Games" they don't really go into much detail. It's all just general game reviews with some background info and technical jargon thrown in.
_'Design Dive'_ is always video essays about the application of AI in games, and how that ties into the larger design merits of a particular title. _'AI and Games'_ is where I explain where stuff works. If I made an _'AI and Games'_ episode on Resident Evil 2, it would be a technical breakdown of how zombies, lickers, Mr X etc. actually work in the game. But I don't know 100% for sure, so for now, I don't make the video. Hope that clarifies things!
As for the doors, yeah, I could spend an entire video talking about how much of a pain in the ass doors are for AI characters. I actually find the doors incredibly frustrating in RE2 and Biohazard.
Resident Evil 2 is the greatest remake of a videogame ever made.
Personally, I'd give that title to the Final Fantasy VII remake. Not because it's a better game than RE2, but because it actually made me care about FFVII in a way that the original never did.
@@AIandGames If it was a finished game, maybe. But it's like the first 1/3rd and I have a feeling they will never finish the project. It will take multiple console generations. They got too ambitious imo 🤷♂️
RE1 i'd say is one of the best remakes of all time.
@@AIandGames Dude no, that "remake" is trash.
@@RandomGBystander It's more of a reimagining and changing the story of the original where both stories from the games still stand. This is peak Nomura story telling!
I've been looking forward to this and the 7/8 video for a WHILE. Heck yeah!
I'd love to see a design dive on the creature from Black and White 1
13:54 What a cool transition.
Great vid, well done!
I think most people don’t realise that RE4 is a side game that had very loose narrative ties to the series when it came out. It can be plyed with no knowledge of the series.
True, it's plot is a standalone Hollywood B-movie plot all things considered lol
Interesting that you label the RE3 dodge as a wholly positive mechanic. You did mention that it is a little over powered which is my core issue with it. IMO Navigating that tight corridor of zombies in a Resident Evil game should be a combination of weighing how many resources you can spend as well as clever navigation and positioning, not how well you can press a dodge button and get free crits multiple times in a row. In addition to being powerful the dodge button is also relatively easy to get the hang of. Especially compared to RE3s original dodge that was unreliable enough to be almost a surprise mechanic to some people.
Don't get me wrong, the dodge is fun, and it makes sense in RE3 specifically, but I am glad they kept it out of RE2. Navigating some of the office rooms of the RPD with zed coming from multiple angles is beautifully tense and thrilling. Leon or Claire doing dodge rolls would kill the danger of those situations.
Great video 👍
Fair point! I think if they had any kind of 'dodge' like ability it would have to be a lot less powerful than in RE3. Like a much higher risk/reward element to it in that it doesn't always work. The RE3 version would just turn Leon into John Wick, which doesn't really make sense. 😅
@@AIandGames Exactly! Its worth noting that while RE4 is pretty much loved by everyone, its also marked as the death of classic RE by a lot of people. While I love RE in general, I'd like to postpone superhero stuff as long as possible for more classic style games please and thank you!
Just before October starts. Can't wait to see what Tommy has in stored for the next month
I'm surprised you didn't mention the challenges the games introduce. Really adds to the replay ability of the games compared to the originals
Awesome video as always
Yeah new double D, let's gooo!
"I talk about AI in games it seems."
Wait, what?
I thought this was Audio Interfaces in Games?!
Well this is embarrassing...
Do you prefer the next-gen update graphics of these remakes or the launch graphics?
The conversations around the remakes of 2 and 3 are extremely similar to how people were comparing them back in the day. I remember how my friends would describe RE3 as “more of an action game than horror” and how they thought Nemesis was “more annoying than scary”. It’s somehow very satisfying to hear how the remakes more than 20 years later are still like that.
This survival horror revival could really go for some Dino Crisis. Capcom; remake Dino Crisis!
You speak the truth.
If re 2 had the dodge that game would be wayyy to easy, 3 needed it cuz of the extra zombies and the constant chase nemesis gave as it was more frantic and less about making smart positioning descisions
Re 3 was actually way more action the same with re 2 with the amount of zombies there were, the series was heading this way after the first, you can't say it was re 4, it was just at that time they were known and found success with the fixed camera angles
Talk about the original halo😎
Played the original RE2 and 3, more times than I can count and I think they did a good job with the RE2 remake. But in the end. The random shots and headshots it took to kill a zombie and the constant following of Mr.X became to much of a irritation for me to replay it after completion.
Man i wonder where the narator comes from, my guess ist Kentucky
I like these videos but it's off-topic. Perhaps you could make videos in which you create a simple AI system in Unity / Unreal. But I'm not a Patreon supporter, so I'm not going to decide which way is right.
The channel had tutorials years ago, and it actually hurt the channels views and subs over time.
It's something I'd like to return to in the future.