THE SECRET EXPERIMENTAL BUNKERS OF WW1 VERDUN
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- WW1 turned out very different than most armies had prepared for, so quickly experimental bunkers and huge gun sites had to be improvised.
Some we are still not entirely clear about what was, but they litter the landscape around the French battlefield around Verdun.
As we take you through this enormous area, covered by forts, bunkers tunnels and shell craters, we come across some of these very special sites.
Several of these sites were test bunkers and gigantic canon positions, something that can be seen as the test bed for things to come in WW2.
I have here come across structures and designs I have never before seen and today I am taking you there with me. And of course Historian Roger Cook is coming with us.
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The three arch structures would have been covered in sloping earth. Farmers did later remove the earth from bunkers to increase area of land for farming. You often see bunkers in Normandy and else where that the earth was taken away. As to why they were not “dug in”, possibly due to ground conditions, either to hard to dig or waterlogged. Also digging in means inclines in order to get rail trucks in.
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Amazing videos as always.
I'm very confident the three arches are supports for a double or triple line railway bridge where the embankment and bridge deck has been removed or perhaps was never fitted.
I'm fairly used to following the route of various dismantled railways in the UK (the result of late 60s closures) on aerial shots and it looks extremely similar.
Go back to your zoomed out shot and follow the line accross the arches down and then follow the curve down and to the right. See the dark line of trees along what looks very like a cutting or railway embankment.
As to why they are slightly different or dont quire line up, the pressures of war, human error or perhaps the gradient? Or maybe a rebuild post a collapse
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Thank you kindly
You have become a real pro in your videos Tino. Your guess work is really based on solid background knowledge by now. I really think you deserve recognition for your work in the form of some festival prize.
well im trying:-) thank you
Tino I really like Mr. Cook he is a great addition to your videos!
That makes two of us he really is a great guy
@@tinostruckmann or to mention all the cool,amazing and wonderful places you get to visit. Signed one jealous man! 😃
Those three structures and the bridge: Many things you two discovered make it likely in my opinion that those three tunnels werde covered with earth in 1918. They could have been used as covered places to shift explosives and grenades from regular rail to narrow gauge. The narrow gauges then met in the field, continued in one track underneath the higher of the bridges underpasses.......
Just doing catch up on your really interesting series. This particular one is very interesting. These places deserve to be saved no matter what they were used for. One thing I did notice being a life long rally fan here in the UK was Rogers 100 year anniversary of the monte carlo rally shirt he had on.
I've visited numerous WW1 and 2 fortified places here and are amazing, but the amount of German and French fortifications and bunkers is amazing. Keep the good work up.
Those three bunkers could be where they hid their observation balloons. I have seen similar shaped shelters but made from wood.
Could the tunnels all be there to provide drainage , this being part of an enormous flat plain ? And built to hold a road or railway , both maybe , above the arches ?
What an entertaining and informative pair you are. I love these walkabouts you do. This isnt taught anywhere. You two bounce off each other perfectly. Thanks both.
PS what is the website for the village and where were those three bunkers/tunnels near the farm?
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I think the 3 bunkers , in the village of Moraigne , are from the Maginot line ( 1930-1938) because on the otter side of the woods there are infanterie bunkers from the Maginot line .
I remain amazed at the ingenuity of our species when it comes to wiping each other off the planet. Thanks for recording this it’s fascinating to see what’s left on the ground. It’s also surprising to hear that something built only 100 years or so ago remains a mystery as to its intended use.
Thank you for posting this video Really fascinating to see these defensive works. It really gives you a real appreciation of the scope and scale of the operations here.
28:38 it's impossible to imagine any engineering company today could have a factory filled with giant gun barrels!
I just been watching this video and them three tunnels out there in the middle of that field had railroad tracks going over the top you look at the curve of that line that you showed in the aerial photo that is the curve required for a train to go around single track over the first one double track over the other two
spot on
Once again, Tino, Bravo!! Your presentations are so very interesting. I really look forward to viewing them.
Thank you very much!
I searched for the 3 weird bunkers.
49.333356440391164, 5.5469740497057325 (google earth)
And i think there must have been plans for a railway there, if you zoom out, you can see a line leading up to this position and one leading into the forest.
Yes & I zoomed out to see the other bunkers & it was translated by google translate, thanks for posting
Another fantastic addition to your collection of amazing videos Tino!
The three arched bunkers look like hardened railway locomotive sheds and @ 48:40mins looks like a spigot mortar mount on the bridge
Love you're videos. I learn so much. See places I would never have known about or ever see. Keep them coming please
More to come!
those arches on that farm land was a built up railway. it you follow that line through along the land it end up connecting to an active railway
I just wish to see a photo from that time, curious as why they are of a different with
@@tinostruckmann maybe 2 are the waterway and other was a road
Good video. Good work.
Another great video from Team Tino, more please.🙂
More to come!
At around 40:05 you wonder whether the groove on the road bunker could be for a door. Its not wide enough for that but could be a drip groove. Its a fairly common (in UK anyway) device to stop rainwater creeping back along the concrete.
Tino you have to hook up with the "Watch Dutch" team who dig out bunkers in Denmark !!
I did not, Im not there very often
Hi, defenetly would go for the theory marked on 52 minutes, the dent connects with a split of the rail at Domremy - la Canne . Greats and thanks for your work .
Camp marguerre has changed alot since my last visit. Looks like things will be heading the way of the Channel Islands were you can't enter anything incase you break a fingernail.
Troopers, at dawn on Tuesday, I will be tunneling out of barracks and will be AWOL for the day. Keep it to yourselves and maybe Commander Struckmann won't notice. 🤠🤣
Have fun! that sounds like something I would prefer doing
I tried tunneling out of my prison only sea water below.
Looking forward to this. Go tino
Goodday Tino you have sparked my interest in WW1 more so than before my wife grandfather served in the somme and gast in the saborne he lived my side is German my grandfather served in thr cave in WW1 he showed me his helmet with the spike i was 8 years old .we can all live together .stay safe
Those "mystery" short tunnels seem to have rocks and gravel on top of them.
Could it be that they were originally completely "landscaped" with rocks and soil and living foliage.
A couple of good "wet-seasons" would have eroded such covering.
Post war, the local farmers probably stripped the remaining covering away, possibly to fill the odd shell crater or two.
You would be right about "archives". The mystery of the "missing" mass graves (for fallen Australian and Brit troops) at Fromelles was primarily solved because there were British aerial photos showing a set of large, open pits behind the German lines and then some time after the whole disaster was called off, aerial photos clearly showed several of these substantial pits were filled in.. The Germans had their own separate "field cemetery" (Mass graves for primary battlefied sanitation and "tidiness”) with more formally-established ones for later re-interment, well behind their lines, but the bodies of Allied troops tended to be stacked in mass graves, away from potable water and encampments, for obvious reasons. That they had a reasonable number of these large pits neatly laid out near Pheasant Wood, indicates they suspected something was afoot.
This may also have been because Brit signals security was below par, especially their field telephone technology. They went to war with a field phone system using a single wire carrier, elevated in wooden stakes. The signal "return" was via the ground itself. Our Teutonic cousins preferred an insulated twisted pair of wires that could be buried if time permitted AND because the twisted insulated pair self-cancelled any radiated signal, much the same way modern Cat5 and 6 computer network cable does, via its multiple tightly-twisted pairs..
The catch here is that the Brit method behaved like a crude radio transmitter, and the Germans rapidly developed "receiver" units that could capture this radiated signal. Thus, they were effectively reading the Allies mail, 24/7.
Fromelles also featured a German diesel-powered narrow-gauge logistics railway. It also was one of several major battlefields where the water table was so close to the surface, trenches and bunkers could not be dug successfully, so both sides built UP. One difference was that the Germans were enthusiastic users of concrete, especially for their interlocked machine-gun block-houses.
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The pieces of metal bars were there to put a camouflage "fishnet", in order not to be seen by observation planes... I guess. (Not absolutely sure of what i'm saying).
But this method has been used all along the Atlantic wall during WW2.
A good theory?
I've seen structures like that before (the second bunkers) that were covered with several meters of dirt - both on top and around the front, making me believe that it was never completed.
44:00 i would guess the bunkers were burial and railroad tracks were run inside they pulled out the gun to fire them and put them back into the bunker after they were done firing they could not have been seen from the air when fighting over?
Amazing how those and all bunkers were build during ww1, i mean the constructions materials the time the equepment not a few days work..
I know I'm a very big fan of those
I never been in a bunker or seen 1 with my own eyes its amazing
@@Thug-12Na I would think that's something we can fix rather easily
Wow very impressive
Late as usual, but I am here don't miss an episode! I let the commercials run.
I bet there were some buildings over those above ground bunkers
it would be interesting if that was possibly underground bridge to a castle or resort at one time
Looking at some of these buildings, they look like their made from prefabricated blocks and then put together.
I can se the use for prefab concrete for fast, initial, somewhat lighter shelters on say concurred positions maybe?
The 3 tunnels in the field might have been shelters for artillery observation balloons with gondolas and telephone lines requiring flat ground around to rise and land and transport in and out
On possible answer to the bunkers is railway the locomotives grew size with what they hauled and type in Belgium is a ww1 ammo railway go check with those guys possible source of ww1 railways
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If you look at the left drone it showed the stream passing through and on the right the smaller was a track which ive been told were like ww1 trenches for railways semi sunken....
Those three archways are an interesting puzzle. Do you have a map reference for them ? Some pre-war maps might be helpful in determining if the stream is "natural" (my guess is it is due to its irregular course.) The roadway looks modern. They seem too small to be worthwhile storage bunkers (and why put a storage bunker over a small stream ? Are there any LIDAR scans of the area ? Do we know what units were stationed thereabouts in 1915/16 ? Update : The three archways are from the time there was a railway embankment. The farmers dismantled the embankment after the railway line was closed down. I posted a map co-ordinate for a railway bridge to the SE of the archways along the line of the railway but it has disappeared.
In many parts of thatregion, they ran networks of drainage channels to get rid of the excess water but to maintain enough water in the soil for crops and stock.
A lot of French farmland was wrecked by the massive application of artillery shells during WW1. Thus, the centuries-old drainage system had to be rebuilt post war. Natural stream? Or carefully laid drainage ditch that follows the fall of the land at a very precise declination? A good ordnance survey map might give some clues.
That canon would keep dorsales at a minimum.
I don't know how far we are from the front line... You don't mention where it is.
But, it looks like a first aid hospital.
There are no heavy bunkers, nor defensive.
look at the length they are progressively larger just like the embankment become taller and wither. because is the lowest point, that's why you have the stream there
Is this gun for sale?I would love to have it set up in the front yard for home defence.
Me too lol but there are a lot of them buried
If those walls in Verdun could talk!
Why is it that there are two clips you see and it says 2 videos. But just one plays?
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Water tank...steel tank. Dissles was not stored on pillers
If people werent sueing right and left we would not have these signs and fences 😢
No shit, people have lost their little minds these days its a great detriment to historians how some behave
sorry but I don't think it's a bunker or anything like that. that must be tunnels and above there was a railway embankment, if you follow the line of trees... it joins with a current railway line to the south near Domremy-la-Canne, and to the north it crosses the Meuse River near of Paquisle Renard and goes down parallel to it
Perhaps the Germans made the tunnel to be able to pass with ammo underneath
Maintenance/ airplane hangars
The planes were farther from the front, these were virtually in the middle of the battlefield
@@tinostruckmann perfect place for a hidden airfield or a supply dump.
Air balloons common over WW1?
well you had the zeppelins bombing England as were balloons used for artillery spotting so certainly not uncommon
1917 ww1 look
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In EU. Lol impossible
The Frogs arguing the toss if it was Tino Struckmann , they shut up when He showed up ..if you have those Structures being built below level and with a Rail feed in them then you have a gradiant both ends , that puts a stress on the Engines required to move their loads , thus its easier to have them on a Level..
Same... secret? Well-known tourist destinations! 🥱
think it is trials for "bunker atelier"