This quest has made Kaeya's 'More About Kaeya 4' voice line make so much more sense...my guy has been dropping lore right under our noses "The legacy of Khanenri'ah is long gone..the Sinners are all that's left, and they're not worth mentioning"
Makes me wonder if that's why Hoyo gave him to us for free at the start because to see if we would see any potential lore bombs in there lol. You know Hoyo had to come with the entire story before even starting on the game lol.
It´s not just that. Chlotar and Caribert was his ancestors, obviously. It would not surprise me, if he knows way more about what happend. He is their only hope left after all. He told Diluc the truth, but I have the suspicion that he must have told him something that we dont know by now. Something that Diluc finds so grave back then, that he even attacked Kaeya without any hesitation (despite their deep bond) and also ready to kill him. I cant stop think about what it could have really caused it. The line Kaeya has dropped in his hangout about the inept good that turns fathers against sons also always comes back to my mind. I just cant wait to see what this hotpot will cook for us..
Can we talk about that flagrant disrespect from him though 😂The crème de la crème of Khaenri'ah, now transcendent beings, and Kaeya is like "pft f those guys they don't matter" Like WHO ARE YOU THEN SIR
I seen someone on twitter say that maybe the reason why they went along with the whole “not remembering the reunion “ is because the abyss sibling talks about the sea of flowers which is honestly huge and endgame stuff right there.
Maybe because it would be awkward if the sibling remembered which place is the final destination and just skipped other nations to go there immediately LMAOO
I figure since it was the last area we see in the Travail Trailer- hinted as "the end of our journey"- we can't exactly be too privy to that info JUUUUUUUUUUUUST yet.
For anyone curious, the text at 1:13:14 is written in the Sumeru dialect and reads "Farewell Atossa, I apologize for making you know me unwillingly. Still, I don't wish you to forget me."
The fact that Aether didn't remember is actually pretty telling as to how powerful the Loom of Fate truly is. He's not supposed to be affected by the ley lines, and by extension, Irminsul. But in this case, his memories were at worst wiped, at best being shrouded by memory fog. If the Loom of Fate can affect Aether who is supposedly a Descender, then it can definitely affect the Heavenly Principles, who is also supposedly a Descender.
I didn't like the quest, but after I thought about it I came to a similar conclusion. I still don't like it because we'll likely need to wait a year or longer for that to matter. That's my main criticism with this quest and the last Dain one: they aren't good enough to hold my anticipation for such a long time before getting a pay off.
It's not a memory wipe, the domain is a giant memory implant made by Caribert, and once he ceased to exist, the domain would collapse. My theory is that the domain is also an ability that Caribert had before the Loom of Fate would fully be complete, and when the domain collapsed, the Loom of Fate had become fully operational.
@@Zodia195 Traveler's memories aren't affected by Irminsul because we're not in its records, but I think the Loom of Fate could possible add us into Irminsul? Like breaking the rules via making everyone remember something that should not exist?
@@tangentkatzalso lumine said "we", meaning despite the fact that she controls the loon of fate she still is affected about and still have forgotten about it too
Someone over on the Genshin lore reddit(I forgot their username, but they were somewhere in the Bedtime Story megathread) explained the memory loss thing in a way that made me actually really like it! As of right now, the Abyss twin seems to be waiting for the Traveler to complete their journey(and to see if the HP will wake up) before making any big moves, and the person on reddit theorized that it's because the Abyss twin wants their sibling to see the truth from their own perspective and act accordingly. The twins highly value one another's judgement and the Abyss twin knows that if they tell their sibling everything from their own(biased) perspective, they'll believe it wholeheartedly. The Abyss twin knowing about the memory loss gave them an opportunity to be honest with their feelings and insecurities on the matter while not tampering with the Traveler's judgement down the line. I need to go back and find that comment because they explained it so much better than I could, I'll edit this when I find them! Edit: I believe the original comment I saw was from u/Joey0519.
See that’s cool and all but that does not rule out the fact that Lumine is hurting her brother by staying out of his life. She has no regard for the fact that they’ve been separate for more than 500 years, her same goal can be accomplished in a different way by simply still being with him but letting him make his own decisions. All in all, I don’t like this excuse at all, let alone the fact that we couldn’t even see the full fight between her and Dainsleif over something as world changing as THE LOOM OF FATE!!! Edit: ALSO FORGOT TO MENTION! She’s already met with Aether before, during the Liyue Archon Quest, so the fact that Hoyo feels the need to bait the story just to get people to play is getting annoying. And if Lumine wants to stay out of it completely, why would she still hide everything in this quest even though they’re gonna forget about it??! WHY NOT JUST SPILL EVERYTHING, see what Aethers reaction is! Makes no sense at all!
@@never_ending2220 I guess this is just fate at work, and Lumine knows that there are certain things Aether cannot know if he is to reach her desired conclusion (Aether knowing the truth of the world as she knows it). As for the reason he isn't supposed to remember the conversation, it's so Aether is still invested in finding her. Because if he knows where she is and exactly what she is planning, the pressing need to look for clues is lost. He needs to keep desperately wanting to find those things out for himself so that he keeps being exposed to Teyvat and its rules. This is Aether's journey of discovery; Lumine already had hers, and the game has made it very clear that he has to almost retrace all of Lumine's steps. To walk where she has already been. Also, even if Aether forgets their time together, the player won't. Of course, the game isn't going to spoil the story! We must be kept in the dark to some degree, or the whole thing is meaningless. What would be the point of journeying with Aether when we know so much more than him? Genshin's writing's strength is that it encourages theory crafting and speculation. It's what sets it apart from the other Hoyo titles and all the other open-world gacha games. How frequently or infrequently that lore is disseminated is another matter altogether.
@@nightlove3574 but that goes straight back to my point! WHY HIDE FROM YOUR OWN BROTHER? She even said in this story quest that she has no idea what to use the loom of fate on. The fact that it’s just in her hands to be in there seems really dumb. Also, I don’t know about you but we really didn’t have anything relating to Lumines presence in Inazuma or Mondstat. There were some subtle hints in Liyue and the Aranara quest definitely showed Lumine being there. THE WHOLE POINT OF THE STORY IS TO LOOK FOR LUMINE! But this main plot gets drowned out by all the harems and character stories that it starts to make the player want to stop playing. It should not take 7 years just to figure out Lumine’s plan. Apparently it’s too much for Lumine herself to interject in Aethers travel but not so for Dainslief??? WHO ALSO TRAVELED WITH LUMINE AND WENT THROUGH EVERYTHING TOGETHER WITH HER! Sorry, this story quest was not it. Really dumbed it down.
all in all, the genshin or hoyo writing is all about giving answers while giving questions to players to get their curiosity going. Thats all there is to it. All of your opinion is on point, so I respect it.
The reason we can't remember just the reunion part is because that all happened AFTER Caribert dissipated. His realm of consciousness held on for a beat after that, but it was essentially "dead" from the moment he ceased to exist entirely. We were then occupying an afterimage of a space in a consciousness that didn't exist anymore, so nothing that we experienced in those moments really existed either. It's a different situation from Irminsul, which can alter memories but not reality (ACTUALLY, that makes it sound like Irminsul is Celestia's version of a beta Loom of Fate, huh). Except Caribet is the GOAT and snuck us a cheat memento before he peaced out WAHH RIP KING
The photo existing doesn't break any rules that's been laid out. The Loom of Fate was completed and now has the ability to bend reality, which is another nice thing for Caribert to do for the twins.
If caribert could make the photo the traveler shouldn't have lost thier memories because it's only because of caribert dying as to why the realm dissolves It has to have been the sibling that made the photo otherwise the traveler would have thier memories
@@quietguyjosh4643 Nah it makes sense, because the photo was made by caribert himself right before he disappeared, it was his parting gift. After he died though, anything that happened in that realm was forgotten because he wasn't thier to sustain it any more.
Also, some people theorize the picture could have been taken by someone like Nicole and not Caribert. Nicole has always been “outside” of the story and only talked to us through telepathy so it could make sense for her to goes beyond reality to take and give us that picture
I think people are overlooking the memory loss part and why its important,the whole quest was for you to find caribert a person who doesnt exist anymore, hes whole spiel was to exist FOR JUST A MOMENT even if thay wont matter in the end,the fact it happend the only thing that matters. It perfectly parallels with the twins conversation in the end it was just a moment in time we have that reunion even if both of the twins forget it in the end (it also a clear insight that only us the player is supposed to know) Another thing is we have confirmation to how powerful the loom of fate is what caribert have is only a sliver of its faction, i know a lot of people is calling it stupid for having that photo but that photo alone is evidence to how powerful it is. That photo weren't suppose to exist the loom of fate can alter reality is much more to irmunsil who records reality but due to caribert condition thats probably the last that he can do to his power, now that i made my point imagine what happens when someone can control it properly.again by this info its pretty much confirm that someone has this power if were going by what dain said its probably the visionary who had alter a descender fate which is supposed to be impossible. Thats probably why lumine is recorded through irmunsil
You missed something. How is it that Aether can remember Caribert and The Loom of Fate, ALL DESCRIBED IN THAT SPACE mind you, and yet can’t remember Lumine and their conversation??? That’s the stupidest part. Not only that, but at this point people are just coping genshin because they put so much effort into it or want to love it but aren’t able to see that the developers do not care. The fact that the loom of fate can change Aethers mind is a big deal, because we know nothing in teyvat can change Aether since he’s not from here. However, that does not justify the ending we got for this quest. WHERES AETHERS REACTION TO THE PICTURE??? You’re telling me that, see that picture, he wouldn’t think anything of it??? Who cares that Caribert story correlates with the twins? THEY DONT GUVE US THE INCENTIVE TO CARE!!! By far the most upsetting and dumbed down story. There was no need for this to take place in Sumeru either.
@@never_ending2220 I think your the one who miss something here,caribert is very specifically said that he wants to people to remember him , the abyss twin visit is unprecedented to the already established "fate" that he already laid down it being 1.he wants some sort of peace knowing that he "existed" in unknown time even though it is through what remains of residual self 2. Caribert was the real one even if he already dissipated of what remains of him. he's manage to have some sort remaining memory for the twins, qouting he's words "you must get along the two of you" meaning that abyss twin also had a picture To understand to how the loom of fate works, leylines is the data in a hardrive(irmunsil) the loom of fate is basically a hack of manipulating that "data(leylines) this is what they meant to alter reality it self, but due to caribert being only a residual self since the actual caribert is dead when he's only the kid. He's remaining conscience is a lose vessel for the loom of fate it's unstable. (Meaning that he could only do so much despite how powerful it is) Now back to the what's up with the twins Again if you play the "caribert" quest you'll know the crystal/visionary he's words are vague but it's clearly stating to how he knows the abyss twins fate. (Also might be the reason why the other twin had a record of irmunsil be cause he already changed "it) and by the fact nahida also stated to how dangerous it is for someone to obscure"fate" hinting at the "loom fate" (I want to remind you that the loom of fate situation was back at 1.4) I can go more in depth about this but might as well put an essay so here's people who I highly recommend explaining it better than I can( murder ofbirds aka genshin ghostwriter sidenote if you don't want to read in game books he already done it for you, catwiththebluehat, minslief, ashikai) You can have your opinions all you want but unlike the meta players we lore players are eating good every patch.and from how little you know, if your willing to commit to it you'll understand despite the messy timeline (Because the games is not complete) how vast we'll connected and consistent it is. Like to give you an example the "sea of flowers" that they're talking about? Yeah they already showed that back at one of the very first trailer teyvat chapter on 2020. Another one Kaeya voiceline about khaenriah has completely different meaning now that we know more about khaenriah Genshins consistently in storytelling is honestly insane for a gacha game no less Like this kind of storyline is more prone to soulbourne games. (Although I do agree to travelers lack of reaction but in usual genshin fashion it'll come up in the newer update like they always do)
@@never_ending2220 brother man we dont remeber anything after caribert dissapeard, since that place was the inside of his mind, after he most likely went back into the ley lines, anything after that gets erased because, well the one that was storing that memory dissapeard, so obviously how would we remember anything if the one storing the memory dissapeard, obviously while he was still "alive" we remember the converstation because there was a where place the memory could get stored, plus the abyss twin said the exact same thing but oh well
Unpopular Opinion: The memory erasure was necessary. Firstly, the Traveler needs to maintain his drive to see his journey to the end by using his reunion with his sister as his main goal (because she made it clear in the "We Shall Be Reunited" quest that it is the only way they could reunite). Secondly, the "Sea of Flowers at the End" is endgame stuff (likely Khaenri'ah arc since the flowers are all Inteyvats) and a clue for the Traveler that might tempt him to bypass everything else in his journey by skipping to finding this sea of flowers. Finally, that raw anger and distraught in forgetting is an effect that should be reflected on the playerbase in the place of Aether/Lumine. The "Traveler" is us and "the twins" are themselves, hence the distinction of names whenever Traveler speaks. We were meant to remember what our chosen twin cannot, and the only exceptions are Irminsul erasures but Caribert's consciousness is not an Irminsul/Teyvat domain but his own. When he ceased to exist, everything that occurred within that domain afterwards would be taken with him (or by the Loom of Fate). Overall, I don't think it ruined the quest; but I think resenting it is part of the experience, for sure. We are not meant to feel good about it, because the reunion of the twins has always been our main goal. To have that ripped from our chosen Traveler, that is a form of injustice we are meant to remember in their place (which is why we have that final picture from Caribert). However, it also fuels the flames (get it? cause natlan is our next region) so we figure out "the truth of this world" and unravel the plans of all the factions involved (i.e. the Fatui, the Abyss Order, the Heavenly Principles, etc...)
okay but there's a difference between feeling injustice and resentment for the characters/alongside the characters and feeling frustration at the story/writing. when the audience hates something that happened because they empathize with the characters, that's good writing. when the audience hates something that happened because it was an unsatisfying/frustrating beat in the story, that's not usually a good sign. I personally did not like this, not because it doesn't make sense in-universe or narrative wise but because there was so much build up and set up for yet another memory loss cop-out to some actual development of the story and relationship between the twins. sure, it's set up for future stories but we will most likely not see any kind of follow up or continuation, or even any kind of reference to this for another year. it feels like it just there out of obligation for the yearly Dain and lore crumb quota but nothing to actually move the plot forward.
@@niteyknight503 What moved the plot forward is Caribert itself and the completion of the Loom of Fate. THAT particular information was maintained. The development between the twins may have been forgotten via memory erasure, but the fact we were left with a key item means the Traveler was left a revelation: they encountered their sibling in Caribert's consciousness, and THAT is the memory they forgot. This thought will likely linger, making them wonder what sort of encounter did they have with their twin and what discussions had ensued. I don't think it's a copout necessarily because these memory erasures are actually a form of world-building. Aside from reuniting the twins, we are also aiming to understand the "truth of this world" which gets more elusive when we find out that Irminsul can get rewritten and now the Loom of Fate can actually implant memories. By implication, the Loom of Fate can even bend reality through weaving its own real Ley Lines. The fact it can even affect a Descender like the Traveler, it spells a different form of power not just limited to the seven elements and the light affinity of dragons. It is implying the true power of transcendence found within the Abyss, hence why we also get such a revelation about the Five Sinners.
@@StarlightAnamnesis the loom is complete. what implications does that have? apparently doesn't matter currently since the sibling doesn't even know what to do with it and likely won't know for another year at least, probably longer if we want to get the the Khaenri'ah chapter. worldbuilding and vague implications, cool. great. could have used a bit more than that from the highly anticipated once a year quest tho. we don't even get the traveler's reaction to the picture so it just feels like a wink from the writers directly to the audience saying "isn't it cute? aren't you curious? now wait another year". it had all this buildup with what was gonna be good payoff, only no, memory loss, no actual development or substantial advancement to the plot, wait another year. if these quests happened a little more frequently I might have been fine with it, but here it just feels meaningless and dragged out for no reason other than "the plot demands it"
The only reason why the abyss princess talks like this to her brother is because she knews that they're going to forget the meeting. She needs her brother goes for the Journey alone with the less interaction between them. This is going to be clear at the end of the Journey.
Lumine in the end: So, have you found the truth of this world, brother? Aether: Yes, I did. And I completely disagree with everything you do, sister. Lets fight now! That's how I see the end.
@@olgabutorina4156 as much as i would prefer this. it doesnt align with what we know about the siblings, through thick and thin the siblings will always value eachother over anything else
@@kkorii5924yeah. It’s likely Lumine (the other twin) wants the Traveler’s wholehearted opinion without their own thoughts coloring it because they value it and will use it to make their own decision
@@Jordan-ud4qv exactly, it's also why the whole erasing of memories thing, while annoying, still makes sense. The abyss twin wants their siblings un altered opinion. That's how much they value eachother, even though it would suit their interests better if they just told the traveler their view (the traveler would most definitely take their word over anyone else's) they would still prefer their sibling form their own opinion over the world. The twins care so much about eachother it makes me sick 😭
when i first finished the quest i was also low-key pissed off lmao, but now that i've had some time to process it + read other ppl's opinion i think it makes sense that the traveler forgot abt the reunion, not to add that we did get the photo of the two at the end. even if we don't remember the reunion we KNOW it happened, plus caribert's note... it's so bittersweet that i actually like it lol
ofc the execution could've been waay better, i think that's the worst part of the quest. too many cool ideas executed horribly in a way-too-short quest that could've been released earlier and directly teased as a continuation of caribert's quest instead of "WOAAAHH TWINS REUNION?!???".
Holy crap! 1. You guys added timestamps? Great job, you’re taking notes from Sarah Miller Crews. 2. Cyno & Yoimiya have beef with each other! 3. I can’t wait for Sarah Miller Crews to cry as she sees this archon quest
1:44:06 Having a problem with it or not is one thing but it does make sense 💀 The reason traveler remember rukka was because they aren't being affected by the irminsul but this time it's because they talked in a place that does not exist (caribert's consciousness after he himself was already gone)
That is also my understanding because that place was created by Caribert, himself using the incomplete Loom of Fate. It is a place that never existed but do only exist as long as Caribert exists. But once his existence is gone so does the place itself, as it is not part of the world of Teyvat.
its still shit storytelling it doesnt matter that it makes sense (even tho it doesnt) its shit story telling that we have basically nothing for 2 years now the first caribert quest was a cliffhanger as well and we played a memory of the sibling, it was already thing that had happened so we wouldnt have had influence on that and now its basically with this quest: well the eye you got in the first 1-2 quests with dain is now gone because deus ex machina caribert could alter dains memories and trick them and mc is like " oh i feel so sorry for you caribert" its bullshit, like cyyu said why does caribert work with them if in the end he doesnt know what they do with it, what if their plan is just to kill everyone instead of saving them? then he is a killer as well it wouldnt matter then if he told them a bedtime story and on top of that the first interaction with the sibling after 3!!! years gets wiped because.. for what?
@@LinUzumaki do you think nahida's sadness suddenly gone when rukka got wiped? No it doesn't work like that She still feels it. The same thing applies here, traveler knows they were already reunited and that interaction is real y'all overreacting fr And why wouldn't Caribert work with the abyss order tho 1) it's his father's organization 2) he's a khaenri'an 3) abyss siblings was the one who helped him too ofc he trust them everybody knows abyss siblings isn't evil "kill everyone" type of person
I understand why people are amd about the fact that we cant remember after that but i think there is a BIG reason for it. Because if u think about it (and CyYu even mentioned it in his little rant) The Traveler should be Immune to this forgetting stuff but there is the theory that our sibling became the loom of fate so that could explain why that stuff now effects us. But also it could be super simple because this was in cariberts inner world and havent anything to do with irminsul, and we are immune to changes that are mad to irminsul.
“if u think about it for 2 seconds, the memory wipe makes sense and was necessary” that may be true but that doesn’t erase that fact that the trope is old and overdone, and we’re allowed to be disappointed by it
@@1Kitsune1 a trope can still be integral to the story. being a trope doesn’t negate its importance. integral or not, it’s still a frequently used trope
Ngl, the memory loss thing is kinda unavoidable, especially when the entire space made by Caribert wasn't supposed to exist in the first place in that world. It's like, you can't have memories from an another world, when the world itself doesn't exist. That's my understanding at least, and that'll make the picture left by Caribert himself that much important, because he used part of his already dwindling power to conjure something into reality itself, to make a simple picture of our siblings
@@LinUzumaki Because meeting Caribert in this quest took place in Atossa's memory - everything that happened in the realm that Caribert created existed in Cariberts consciousness.
@@LinUzumaki im convinced you didnt play or watch the quest. or youre rage baiting. the whole reason lumine and aether cant remember what happened AFTER CARIBERT IS GONE is because he is gone
I loved the quest and the memory loss. Its important for us to know that there is a power capable of removing the Travelers memories - because Irminsul can't. This ads an extra aspect to the story for me. Also that utter heartbreak for Aether, he had a few brief moments of hope and comfort with Lumine. For once they got to talk and call each other by their real names - and now he's back to profound loneliness and doesn't know why it feels worse than it did before. I gave the quest 8/10, would've been higher if we'd seen the Dain and Lumine fight.
6/10. Easily could’ve done more. Finished the story quest. This one was way below mid. I cannot believe I’m still playing this game. The only reason I haven’t stopped is because I put too much effort into it already. Spoiler alert!!!!!‼️ How are you going to make an hour long quest about caribert and then have Dain and Lumines battle happen off screen, SOMETHING THATS IMPORTANT AND HAS TO DO WITH THE LOOM OF FATE, then have the audacity to make another meeting between the siblings end with a “oh yeah, you won’t remember anything, goodbye”, then the quest just ends without even saying anything or knowing anything that happens to dainseilf. Probably the worst story thus far. All we learned was that there are more than one sinner, the loom of fate is a powerful world changing tool, and that Lumine hates her brother. That’s it!
@@never_ending2220 Why are you playing if you hate the game so much? Drop it. Go play a game you do enjoy. I'm assuming you didn't mean to reply to my comment, but as you did.... We had huge lore bombs dropped during this quest, Lumine doesn't hate Aether whatsoever, where did you get that from?
@@ZephyrBluePaddy i saw this person replying to other people comments with the ???? takes,i agree with you,if they dont like it and hate it as much as they say then drop the game??? how can someone enjoy something having the read comprehension of a grape.
Spoilers: In my opinion I think the amnesia part makes sense because then traveler will just continue his own quest and it makes sense also because the traveler were in caribert s consciousness and the consciousness got erased then anything in it would also be deleted and inly the memories he gave the people in the real world exist, forgetting the sibling makes the player eager to see the rest without impacting much the rest of the story which is quite clever
the main issue isn't that it doesn't make sense but thats its just extremely frustrating for them to pull this overused trope and ruin a moment that has been anticipated for literal years. These interlude traveler quests come way too infrequently for them to pull this nonsense.
I think the reason why hoyo chose to erase the reunion is also revealed on the title of the quest. A bedtime story usually starts when you're about to sleep, causing you to forget what happens midway to the end. The Abyss sibling divulged a lot of information about her end of journey which they were comfortable doing for the traveler because they knew the traveler will forget. The sibling wants the traveler to experience the journey themselves and come to their own conclusions without being influenced, why that is, nobody knows. The sibling didn't want to influence the traveler's judgement because they hold their judgement in high regard, probably also to see if what they're doing is justified at the end (remember the part where she says "sometimes i can't even face myself") because she knows she did a lot of bad things to get to this point. As for the traveler being affected by the memory wipe, bear in mind that the loom of fate is NOT part of irminsul, we don't exactly know the scope of power it has so it kind of gave us an insight as to how powerful it is and provides another major plotpoint: that there is a device/weapon that can affect even the descenders and im honestly excited about this new plotpoint
This is just my opinion. The memory wipe thing doesn't ruin the moment. It feels like it as the player because we know that event happens but it won't ruin story-wise for the Traveler because it is part of his story. I know its sucks. The world created by Caribert doesn't exist at the 1st place so after the creator is gone so does the subsequent event during the process of its destruction. Now I know some will say "we still remember the discussion with Caribert inside his world. Why it didn't disappear?" This is just my own understanding why it didn't happen. Because the memories about Caribert are part of the Leylines, which consists of memories, due to his interference using the incomplete Loom of Fate that is why we didn't forget about the discussion with Caribert. But the place created by Caribert doesn't exist in Teyvat, so no leylines to hold the memories created there. That's just my understanding please no torches and pitchforks 😅
Also, can we all agree that these aren’t Dain quests? They are traveler quests you can even look it up in the game. Yes the first two quests we got spoiled us because he had a lot more to do with them but all in all it’s about the siblings not Dain. He’s just there to give us some lore about Khaenri’ah and the Abyss which heavily relates to the sibling. I love Dain and I do wish he would get more screen time but sadly we probably won’t be getting that until he becomes playable
Problem is it's been called Dain Quests from the beginning b/c it started with him, he was the catalyst who set it all in motion. He's the face and design we associate with this yearly lore drop, not to mention he is intrinsically entwined with our twin and us now. Technicalities have their place but there's no need here.
@@rez-ye that is true but as the story progresses I think we will see little of him ( as sad as that makes me ) at least until we get to the Khaenri’ah arc but who knows?
I never even considered people actually thought they were quests ABOUT him. Like, he sure appears in them but I only ever call them the Dain Quests bc he doesn't appear in anything else (the marketting doesn't count) and always expect him to drop on us lore about the overall storyline/Khaenri'ah/our sibling, not necessarily explore his character
Did not know Sethos' voiceline depends on the traveler you choose. I picked Lumine, and I swear his Hello line begins with a "ma'am" rather than the "sir."
It was bittersweet and makes it tragic but I didn't think it ruined it personally. Also you say by their world logic but did you already forget it was running on the Loom of Fate powers, powers that bypass Irminsul b/c it literally rewrites Irminsul's rules. Cyyu my guy, bruh ....
The point of him forgetting makes sense because Caribert is the reason why things stuck, the reason the picture exists is because he made the choice to make it and then he died and once he died, everything that happened in that realm they were in no longer had a way to truly stick anymore. You could argue that, Lumine controls the loom now but she has no reason to let him remember either, that meeting was a momentary comfort for them both, but Lumine still thinks Aether NEEDS to find things out on his own to come to same conclusion she did.
I don't even want to imagine what the traveler feels right after realizing he most likely saw his sister after all, (because of the photo) but he couldn't remember any of it. "It almost feels like I lost something." Like that HAD to have messed him up. 💀💀
1:26:14 that cutscene is neat, they uses your current element. In the past they tried to stick to the nation element. I always thought they are pre render, so one version of Aether, and one version of Lumine.
No they did not ruin anything. What I want to know is, how does our sibling know about what Focalors did? The quest was really good and as always caused, emotional damage…
Also am i the only one who is boggled by the fact the dolls of Atossa and Caribert are still there? (By the tree, atop the tree branch.) Like... How can that exist if Caribert is only a memory to them?
Likely Atossa’s the one who crafted both of them and she brings them there whenever they plan to meet (even if the conversation just ends up only in her memories). Would have to assume she physically goes there right before Caribert manifests in her memories to meet however.
Personally I really liked the ending and I'm sure the memory thing will come back in some big way later. That said, I knew some people weren't going to like it and I get it XD it just didn't personally bother me as much.
same for me, they are probably gonna bring this up in the Natlan Archon Quest too, we're getting closer to Snezhnaya where the Tsarista will enact her rebellion against the Heavenly Principles.
Now that I think about it, I think eventually the traveler will get those memories back, especially since they continued to talk but we couldn’t hear it. So whatever they may have said could appear in a later on moment.
Honestly making mc forget meeting his/her sibling doesn't make sense considering it was literally established in the Sumaru archon quest that due to the nature of our character's existence his/her memories could not be altered or tampered with.
Domains of consciousness and dreams can affect the traveler. He doesn't remember the previous dream loops without Nahida's help in the Sumeru arc. That means he actually can have the memories within a certain domains deleted.
It could be because atossa carved them. I mean, she has memories of him, she knows how he looks like. She can still do her own thing outside of those memories with caribert. So when it's not sunset, she is still able to do her own thing and carve those dolls
I see this quest as not aether and lumine "moment" more like a lore drop so the whole space disappear and memory loss is kinda expected. But if i have to say i want more of that time together and tbh sea of flowers? Forget that i want dandelion sea
It can be both. The implications of the picture is still not yet explored, so I'm a little curious to see if they'll do something about it in the next one... or even in the Natlan AQ?
The Only thing I can think of with the memory thing is that the Travaler is "Immune" to changes to Irminsul. But what they saw was due to the Loom of Fate
Maybe The twin actually bypass the Irminsul rule for everyone by using the loom of faith… they purposely left the whole traveler will not remember up until the very end….🤔 There might be a reason as to why the twin is dead set in not letting us remember… it seems very odd
@@BamfCross Nah, i think she did, she just chose to. I think, Lumine has come to the conclusion that if she and Aether are going to be with each other at the end, Aether needs to come to same conclusion she did on his own so he'll have the same conviction. If she just tells him everything, he'll just follow her because it's what his sister said, not because it's what he decided for himself and thus he'll be more easily swayed.
I watched the very first cutscene where we met our sibling in mondstadt to check if they had said the traveler's name and IT DIDDDD I didn't gave it much thought before but now the first cutscene was broooo
I would agree with you that the whole "not remembering the reunion" damage the whole quest a bit, but after thinking about the implication of it, I actually don't mind it as much bc this Caribert's realm isn't something that connect to the Irminsul. So, the traveler wouldn't remember anything after Caribert passed on. Also, the fact that photo can still exist even tho the traveler can't remember the reunion just demonstrated the power of Loom of Fate that it can affect the traveler too. The real problem I have with this quest (and some of Dain's quests) is how short it is and how long we have to wait until the next one. Hmm.... when the game's story reach the end, maybe I should make another account and play the main story quest in 1 go to see how it is. * I understand you feeling about a certain trope damage the story even tho it might make sense in the context. I happened to me before in other game.
It could have been similar to how everyone forgot about the previous dendro archon but we still remember and that would’ve been a pretty easy fix for it
No that has to do with Irminsul and this doesnt. The traveler has the capacity to have his memory wiped as it happened over 100 times during the samsara cycles in the sumeru archon quest.
I was saying that as in they are not of this world similarly to the situation with Irminsul so it could effect them differently and maybe only partially remember it or maybe it would just be ineffective
@@privatesectorsec Doesn't work because the abyss twin is not considered a descender anymore, so the world no longer considers her/him as an outsider. It would have cheapened the entire encounter if the traveler could remember anyhow. Considering everything, it was done perfectly, and I see no real reason to not have them lose the memory.
I think it's probably because Caribert's realm of consciousness exist out of Irminsul? because he has become the Loom of Fate which is a tool to weave the Ley Lines, so it's something that is a seperate thing from Irminsul itself (atleast that's from my understanding lol 😅)
Mans really didn’t understand that the encounter with Lumine took place in a plane of existance that deleted itself after Caribert was gone for real and that THAT’S WHY AETHER COULDN’T REMEMBER AFTER (neither Lumine). Pay attention, bro.
I think the issue with Paimon's voice was very similar to an issue I had with Yanfei's voice during the Beetle Battle event. Either both Corrina and Lizzie got new mics or there was something in the processing of their lines that made them sound a little off...a little more...bass-y, I guess?
Glad to know someone else was also feeling upset when Aether forgot his precious time with Lumine again. Why hurt us with this Hoyoverse right after that beautiful music video you gave us of the siblings missing each other ? Ouch my heart. Also not seeing Lumine and Dain's fight was a bummer
To be honest and excuse me if I'm too positive, but I really think the picture at the end will be the start for the next part of the quest. Like, PAIMON says "What's that?" I don't think she will remain idly when she sees a picture of the twins together. I'm not saying she's the reason they got apart, but she's supposed to help us on our journey, what will she think when she sees this shocking picture? I really hope she has to say something about it
Same thoughts, majority of paimon's art (and those hyv has approved of) it's always with both of the twins. I know it's probably because they are the main trio, and the twins being the MCs but I still believe that Dain and Paimon are each other's parallel, and she said it herself that she will help the traveller find their twin too 😢
"Farewell Atosa, I apologize for making you know me unwillingly, still I don't wish you to forget me." DUDEEE. Now I need the genshin fandom to get working on them Caribert × Atosa fanfics ffs 😭
They're doing the sumata technique, teasing us cause we still have like 7 years left for the game, from the devs saying on their 10 year plan for the game.
Aether and lumine both forgetting stuff that said makes sense though because if aether knows that information its pointless for him to travel to two other nations since he knows where to go and what happened with lumine Also we as a descender can only knows information that was erased from irminsul but our reunion happened somewhere outside the irminsul inside someone else’s consciousness so we can’t remember that
it's sooo easy to put 2 and 2 together and see that the memory wipe was NECESSARY!!! i swear,some people are allergic to stop 5 mins and THINK,icluding cy yu,someone i expect to figure it out since he likes lore,but i guess i was wrong
@@LM-nb7rj bro .. this one was super easy to understand giving the information we already knew from before????!!!! awful?? maybe for people that are lazy to read
@@bathwaterrr the conversation between the siblings amounted to nothing, simply because Aether forgot. The archon quest was advertised for that little bit of exchange but it happened at the end and the MC don't even remember anyways. You can remove that damn stupid fucking conversation and the quest would've stayed the same
@@number2JingYuanmain If you say so. I mean I dunno what you were expecting. For many, including me, it brought a small amount of closure, including a hint of what the roadmap to the end of the game will look like. A reasonable trail of breadcrumbs, especially when the game is still years out from completion. I think the quest was great. I wanted it to be longer, but in reality, it was as long as it needed to be.
Honestly I do not see the reason why they had to do the memory wipe thing. Personally I believe it was probably unnecessary, and would have served the plot just fine to let them remember.
After giving it a few days, it's obvious that the not remembering thing is gonna be important in the future. Hoyo knew that it was gonna piss players off because they even gave MC a line with them being pissed off about it. "You're only telling me now!" as MC balls up his fist. Knowing that, it still makes me angry but maybe that's the intended emotion they wanted to evoke. If I'm wrong about all that, then yeah that was a pretty dumb move.
Sorry but just because you personally don’t like the trope it doesn’t mean they ruined it 😂 it wouldn’t have made sense for them to remember something that happened in a place outside of their reality, that shouldn’t even exist and was about to collapse. Especially because neither of them were “real” in that moment, Lumine said that’s the reason they couldn’t touch. It’s like when you did the Arlecchino sq and, just because you didn’t understand the timeline with Freminet, you thought it was a plot hole 💀
Also, theirs is a tragic story, unfairness is part of their arc. And they still have the picture at the end, even if it would have been better if the Traveler had a reaction to it
I loved the quest, but I agree with Cy Yu, I hated that part where they've to forget this ever happened. But I'm guessing this has to do with something happening in the future, so lets wait and see
I'm surprised Chat didn't bring up Neal from Camp Camp or Keigo Asano from Bleach. Yui Lose them voiced them too oh dangI think he also voices a character in runs Factory4 or something
I didnt like how it ended, dainsleif coming out of nowhere and leaving out of camera as well. Somehow Caribert being alive and then whole forgetting thing. To me it felt like an easy way to keep the traveler clueless about almost every important thing not only concerning her sibling but about the world. Someone said "but if traveler knows the last location, they will go there". But how? Until now we've been told such a place exists, we dont know the location itself, its like telling a clueless person to go to Vanarana and they don't know what the heck you're talking about. This to me felt, short, rushed and honestly, to have something interesting in an otherwise less than exciting update because the important one is coming in the next part of this update: the summer event. I give it a 5/10 because the quest began really well, still didnt like how dainsleif just suddenly was there and conveniently one day before anything happened
i feel so validated that Cyyu had the same reaction to the ending as me 😂🙏🏻 like i honestly was so disappointed and irritated at that. like it just immediately feels so cheap to me and makes the reunion not actually feel like it mattered at all. obviously it did, but in terms of story it now feels like it didn’t matter. just really put a damper on the quest for me in all honestly 😅
The memory thing was unecessary but other than that i enjoyed this quest quite a lot because it's surprisingly well paced compared to all of the other Genshin quests and it actually gave us more answers than questions this time. I hope Mihoyo will make future quests less padding like this one.
Changes in laylines and freaking irminsul doesnt have effect on Aether/Lumine but then he forgets this conversation in something that is based on laylines and is part of Irminsul lore? that also ruied it for me but the quest brside that was10/10
Whether it makes sense or not, some players do have the right to get pissed off by this. Yeah, the loom of fate is very powerful, powerful enough to bend reality, but out of everything, they chose to make traveller not remember anything about their reunion. Yes, it has a meaning behind it but this memory loss troupe has been in Genshin for a long time, even from the start of the game. Especially considering the fact that this type of Quest only come once a year, the progress is kinda slow. So yeah, i guess It's kinda reasonable that some people find it annoying
The forgetting wouldn’t be a problem if the game was focused on telling the twins’ story. It hasn’t been. Barely ANY progress since Inazuma lmao Instead it feels like we’re being strung along the story we were promised from the jump.
That's because the Traveller is the main character. Archon Quests have to quickly finish the arc in just one version while Traveler Quests have only one act per year and has the flexibility of spanning years. Considering that there will be more than 7 chapters (and that they wouldn't just end their arc in Khaenriah), we still have a few more parts to reach the climax. But if we want more substance in Traveler quests, we should go on the surveys and complain about it lol.
That's exactly my issue. We get only one short quest every year that focuses on traveler and this time they decided to erase the little development they get. It would be less of an issue if we had more quests but we don't, so Traveler feels stagnant as a character.
@@kieran1129 Traveler's character development feels stagnant because the World Quests and Archon Quests are very inconsistent in the portrayal of their character. The main character of a 10+ year long story will probably not have a lot of development along the first few years of the story's schedule.
@@milesperhour9256 I think the main point here is that this exact scenario would’ve worked two patches ago. It’s a “well we have more story to tell so we can’t have resolutions just yet.” Time and place, etc etc
@@Mrbluefire95 I'd guess that it's a development problem rather than it being a story problem, since Caribert was in 3.5, releasing a patch after the Lantern Rite
Why we should remember this? The Abyss is not messing with Irminsul. They made a device to directly control your memory. We can extract the memories from the ley lines, this was shown in the previous Dain's quest, so if they change the ley line (not the Irminsul's archive) they can change the memory of anybody, event the outlander. And this plot twist was made for the sake of showing us how powerful this thing was. Now the Abyss can literally change the world. And just to add, we spoke with our twin not in the real world, but in the memory of other person, so if the memory is deleted, everything that happened there will be deleted as well. Also, I agree with some comments, that this move allows us to continue our journey without any doubt, I mean, our twin told us her motives, we trust her fully, we can just abandon our journey trying to find her and help her. I presume she doesn't want to drag us in this (for now). She's definetely not our enemy. Only thing we have to remember now: we must finish our journey, we must see and understand what our twin saw. Her opinion shouldn't influence ours. And I believe that at the end of this journey our opinion will be completely different, because situation is different: 1) Archons are not that influential anymore (Barbatos is not interfering (almost), Morax is "dead", Shogun rules, but threecomission has the true power, Nahida is not that powerful, she is mostly icon and sage/great advisor, Focalors is dead). 2) The countries overcame the consequences of Cataclysm - the journey of out twin was right after the Cataclysm, the countries were suffering from that, and Archons were not that useful. 3) Our friends and Companion - Paimon and Dain are really different, Dain is mostly dead inside (he has the right and reason for that) but Paimon is mostly cheerful and a great friend, we are making lots of friends in every nation, so we have a reason to try to protect this countries from possible destruction by the Abyss. So my point is, that our twin wants us to form independent opinion, but in the end it will be different and maybe we will convince her that everything is good now (Heavenly Principles may be destroyed by then), and there is no point to revive fallen nation using Abyss.
I don't think it has anything to do with that When traveler is inside someone else's consciousness he's just as vulnerable to having his memory of that place wiped as anyone else. (Nilou's dream loop)
Recordamos a Scaramouche cuando se hizo su reinicio con el Irmisul, recordamos a Rukkhadevata, una Arconte que se borró de la existencia. ¡¿Pero no al gemelo?! ¿Cómo es posible? Creo que muchos jugadores estamos molestos por el resultado de esta misión
Ni recordamos los sueños del Festival de Subzeruz sin la ayuda de Nahida. Estos recuerdos son de la conciencia de un hombre que ni existe en el mundo. Estamos en un dominio con sus leyes propias.
yeah the quest was fantastic until it just cuts away from dain and the twin. they skipped the budget and rushed the rest because they don't want it to affect the stories they're most likely writing right now. they always play it safe which leads to very little information being brought forward and rushed endings to quests because they aren't sure how to wrap it up without it potentially spoiling something later on. I would be less mad if the dain quest came 2-3 times a year but we have to wait for next year for a sprinkling of lore again.
@Jinni-iras17514 I don't think you understand how this game works. You think ninguang can shoot an entire wall scaling 100 meters worth of boulders no she shoots pebbles in game. You think shenhe can freeze a tsunami no she can barely apply cryo reliably. They do not use characters kits in cutscenes have you played this game before? The traveler uses a dull blade and has never once used their powers before besides making a random glow effect before hitting something. Maybe never comment again 😃
@@esheep8697 Those are elements already prominently shown in the game just upscaled to look cooler for the sake of anime fight scenes. Have they ever shown us a fight that involves the dendro element before it was explained or properly revealed? No. Never cook again.
@Jinni-iras17514 you think they're going to release quantum or imaginary that's cute. They said there's 7 elements for the teyvat chapter. There will stay 7 elements until we leave teyvat. Guess we won't know until way later in the future after 3 more years. I think you forgot this is genshin impact the game where they despise adding anything to the game and will their utmost effort to avoid adding anything. Lastly just like you said. They can do whatever they want for the cutscene they could have just had them have a physical only fight but they didn't. Instead we got nothing stop meat riding this game so damn hard.
@@esheep8697 You finally let it slip. You're burnt out but the game still lives rent free on your recommendations page. You ignore any improvements the game makes out of blind hate. Take a break.
When traveler is inside someone else's consciousness he's just as vulnerable to having his memory of that place wiped as anyone else. (Nilou's dream loop)
This quest has made Kaeya's 'More About Kaeya 4' voice line make so much more sense...my guy has been dropping lore right under our noses
"The legacy of Khanenri'ah is long gone..the Sinners are all that's left, and they're not worth mentioning"
Makes me wonder if that's why Hoyo gave him to us for free at the start because to see if we would see any potential lore bombs in there lol. You know Hoyo had to come with the entire story before even starting on the game lol.
It´s not just that. Chlotar and Caribert was his ancestors, obviously. It would not surprise me, if he knows way more about what happend. He is their only hope left after all. He told Diluc the truth, but I have the suspicion that he must have told him something that we dont know by now. Something that Diluc finds so grave back then, that he even attacked Kaeya without any hesitation (despite their deep bond) and also ready to kill him. I cant stop think about what it could have really caused it.
The line Kaeya has dropped in his hangout about the inept good that turns fathers against sons also always comes back to my mind. I just cant wait to see what this hotpot will cook for us..
Can we talk about that flagrant disrespect from him though 😂The crème de la crème of Khaenri'ah, now transcendent beings, and Kaeya is like "pft f those guys they don't matter"
Like WHO ARE YOU THEN SIR
@@kiaradoesart9682 he's the goat
I LOVE KAEYA
I seen someone on twitter say that maybe the reason why they went along with the whole “not remembering the reunion “ is because the abyss sibling talks about the sea of flowers which is honestly huge and endgame stuff right there.
Maybe because it would be awkward if the sibling remembered which place is the final destination and just skipped other nations to go there immediately LMAOO
I figure since it was the last area we see in the Travail Trailer- hinted as "the end of our journey"- we can't exactly be too privy to that info JUUUUUUUUUUUUST yet.
That's funny... I thought they weren't planning on adding endgame to Genshin
@@sushishishu I mean true 🤣
@@Yvonne-Bella exactly! They don’t want that spoiled just yet!
For anyone curious, the text at 1:13:14 is written in the Sumeru dialect and reads
"Farewell Atossa, I apologize for making you know me unwillingly. Still, I don't wish you to forget me."
The fact that Aether didn't remember is actually pretty telling as to how powerful the Loom of Fate truly is. He's not supposed to be affected by the ley lines, and by extension, Irminsul. But in this case, his memories were at worst wiped, at best being shrouded by memory fog. If the Loom of Fate can affect Aether who is supposedly a Descender, then it can definitely affect the Heavenly Principles, who is also supposedly a Descender.
I didn't like the quest, but after I thought about it I came to a similar conclusion. I still don't like it because we'll likely need to wait a year or longer for that to matter. That's my main criticism with this quest and the last Dain one: they aren't good enough to hold my anticipation for such a long time before getting a pay off.
I was thinking something similar because I was like, "Wait, our Traveler can't be affected by Irmisul, but they can be affected by Ley lines?!"
It's not a memory wipe, the domain is a giant memory implant made by Caribert, and once he ceased to exist, the domain would collapse. My theory is that the domain is also an ability that Caribert had before the Loom of Fate would fully be complete, and when the domain collapsed, the Loom of Fate had become fully operational.
@@Zodia195 Traveler's memories aren't affected by Irminsul because we're not in its records, but I think the Loom of Fate could possible add us into Irminsul? Like breaking the rules via making everyone remember something that should not exist?
@@tangentkatzalso lumine said "we", meaning despite the fact that she controls the loon of fate she still is affected about and still have forgotten about it too
Someone over on the Genshin lore reddit(I forgot their username, but they were somewhere in the Bedtime Story megathread) explained the memory loss thing in a way that made me actually really like it! As of right now, the Abyss twin seems to be waiting for the Traveler to complete their journey(and to see if the HP will wake up) before making any big moves, and the person on reddit theorized that it's because the Abyss twin wants their sibling to see the truth from their own perspective and act accordingly. The twins highly value one another's judgement and the Abyss twin knows that if they tell their sibling everything from their own(biased) perspective, they'll believe it wholeheartedly. The Abyss twin knowing about the memory loss gave them an opportunity to be honest with their feelings and insecurities on the matter while not tampering with the Traveler's judgement down the line. I need to go back and find that comment because they explained it so much better than I could, I'll edit this when I find them!
Edit: I believe the original comment I saw was from u/Joey0519.
See that’s cool and all but that does not rule out the fact that Lumine is hurting her brother by staying out of his life. She has no regard for the fact that they’ve been separate for more than 500 years, her same goal can be accomplished in a different way by simply still being with him but letting him make his own decisions. All in all, I don’t like this excuse at all, let alone the fact that we couldn’t even see the full fight between her and Dainsleif over something as world changing as THE LOOM OF FATE!!!
Edit: ALSO FORGOT TO MENTION! She’s already met with Aether before, during the Liyue Archon Quest, so the fact that Hoyo feels the need to bait the story just to get people to play is getting annoying. And if Lumine wants to stay out of it completely, why would she still hide everything in this quest even though they’re gonna forget about it??! WHY NOT JUST SPILL EVERYTHING, see what Aethers reaction is! Makes no sense at all!
@@never_ending2220VERY much agree
@@never_ending2220 I guess this is just fate at work, and Lumine knows that there are certain things Aether cannot know if he is to reach her desired conclusion (Aether knowing the truth of the world as she knows it). As for the reason he isn't supposed to remember the conversation, it's so Aether is still invested in finding her. Because if he knows where she is and exactly what she is planning, the pressing need to look for clues is lost. He needs to keep desperately wanting to find those things out for himself so that he keeps being exposed to Teyvat and its rules. This is Aether's journey of discovery; Lumine already had hers, and the game has made it very clear that he has to almost retrace all of Lumine's steps. To walk where she has already been.
Also, even if Aether forgets their time together, the player won't. Of course, the game isn't going to spoil the story! We must be kept in the dark to some degree, or the whole thing is meaningless. What would be the point of journeying with Aether when we know so much more than him? Genshin's writing's strength is that it encourages theory crafting and speculation. It's what sets it apart from the other Hoyo titles and all the other open-world gacha games. How frequently or infrequently that lore is disseminated is another matter altogether.
@@nightlove3574 but that goes straight back to my point! WHY HIDE FROM YOUR OWN BROTHER? She even said in this story quest that she has no idea what to use the loom of fate on. The fact that it’s just in her hands to be in there seems really dumb.
Also, I don’t know about you but we really didn’t have anything relating to Lumines presence in Inazuma or Mondstat. There were some subtle hints in Liyue and the Aranara quest definitely showed Lumine being there.
THE WHOLE POINT OF THE STORY IS TO LOOK FOR LUMINE! But this main plot gets drowned out by all the harems and character stories that it starts to make the player want to stop playing. It should not take 7 years just to figure out Lumine’s plan. Apparently it’s too much for Lumine herself to interject in Aethers travel but not so for Dainslief??? WHO ALSO TRAVELED WITH LUMINE AND WENT THROUGH EVERYTHING TOGETHER WITH HER!
Sorry, this story quest was not it. Really dumbed it down.
all in all, the genshin or hoyo writing is all about giving answers while giving questions to players to get their curiosity going. Thats all there is to it. All of your opinion is on point, so I respect it.
I punched the air when villagers remembered Caribert's name. Bro deserved to be remembered.
The reason we can't remember just the reunion part is because that all happened AFTER Caribert dissipated. His realm of consciousness held on for a beat after that, but it was essentially "dead" from the moment he ceased to exist entirely. We were then occupying an afterimage of a space in a consciousness that didn't exist anymore, so nothing that we experienced in those moments really existed either. It's a different situation from Irminsul, which can alter memories but not reality (ACTUALLY, that makes it sound like Irminsul is Celestia's version of a beta Loom of Fate, huh).
Except Caribet is the GOAT and snuck us a cheat memento before he peaced out WAHH RIP KING
someone's actually paying attention and not saying it's some loom of fate bs
The photo existing doesn't break any rules that's been laid out. The Loom of Fate was completed and now has the ability to bend reality, which is another nice thing for Caribert to do for the twins.
If caribert could make the photo the traveler shouldn't have lost thier memories because it's only because of caribert dying as to why the realm dissolves
It has to have been the sibling that made the photo otherwise the traveler would have thier memories
@@quietguyjosh4643 Nah it makes sense, because the photo was made by caribert himself right before he disappeared, it was his parting gift. After he died though, anything that happened in that realm was forgotten because he wasn't thier to sustain it any more.
Also, some people theorize the picture could have been taken by someone like Nicole and not Caribert. Nicole has always been “outside” of the story and only talked to us through telepathy so it could make sense for her to goes beyond reality to take and give us that picture
I think people are overlooking the memory loss part and why its important,the whole quest was for you to find caribert a person who doesnt exist anymore, hes whole spiel was to exist FOR JUST A MOMENT even if thay wont matter in the end,the fact it happend the only thing that matters.
It perfectly parallels with the twins conversation in the end it was just a moment in time we have that reunion even if both of the twins forget it in the end (it also a clear insight that only us the player is supposed to know)
Another thing is we have confirmation to how powerful the loom of fate is what caribert have is only a sliver of its faction, i know a lot of people is calling it stupid for having that photo but that photo alone is evidence to how powerful it is. That photo weren't suppose to exist the loom of fate can alter reality is much more to irmunsil who records reality but due to caribert condition thats probably the last that he can do to his power, now that i made my point imagine what happens when someone can control it properly.again by this info its pretty much confirm that someone has this power if were going by what dain said its probably the visionary who had alter a descender fate which is supposed to be impossible. Thats probably why lumine is recorded through irmunsil
exactly!!! people are too quick to hate it without giving time to THINK ffs ...
Yeah people calling it trash and not even giving it a chance to sink in.
You missed something. How is it that Aether can remember Caribert and The Loom of Fate, ALL DESCRIBED IN THAT SPACE mind you, and yet can’t remember Lumine and their conversation??? That’s the stupidest part. Not only that, but at this point people are just coping genshin because they put so much effort into it or want to love it but aren’t able to see that the developers do not care.
The fact that the loom of fate can change Aethers mind is a big deal, because we know nothing in teyvat can change Aether since he’s not from here. However, that does not justify the ending we got for this quest. WHERES AETHERS REACTION TO THE PICTURE??? You’re telling me that, see that picture, he wouldn’t think anything of it??? Who cares that Caribert story correlates with the twins? THEY DONT GUVE US THE INCENTIVE TO CARE!!!
By far the most upsetting and dumbed down story. There was no need for this to take place in Sumeru either.
@@never_ending2220 I think your the one who miss something here,caribert is very specifically said that he wants to people to remember him , the abyss twin visit is unprecedented to the already established "fate" that he already laid down it being
1.he wants some sort of peace knowing that he "existed" in unknown time even though it is through what remains of residual self
2. Caribert was the real one even if he already dissipated of what remains of him. he's manage to have some sort remaining memory for the twins, qouting he's words "you must get along the two of you" meaning that abyss twin also had a picture
To understand to how the loom of fate works, leylines is the data in a hardrive(irmunsil) the loom of fate is basically a hack of manipulating that "data(leylines) this is what they meant to alter reality it self, but due to caribert being only a residual self since the actual caribert is dead when he's only the kid. He's remaining conscience is a lose vessel for the loom of fate it's unstable.
(Meaning that he could only do so much despite how powerful it is)
Now back to the what's up with the twins
Again if you play the "caribert" quest you'll know the crystal/visionary he's words are vague but it's clearly stating to how he knows the abyss twins fate. (Also might be the reason why the other twin had a record of irmunsil be cause he already changed "it) and by the fact nahida also stated to how dangerous it is for someone to obscure"fate" hinting at the "loom fate" (I want to remind you that the loom of fate situation was back at 1.4)
I can go more in depth about this but might as well put an essay so here's people who I highly recommend explaining it better than I can( murder ofbirds aka genshin ghostwriter sidenote if you don't want to read in game books he already done it for you, catwiththebluehat, minslief, ashikai)
You can have your opinions all you want but unlike the meta players we lore players are eating good every patch.and from how little you know, if your willing to commit to it you'll understand despite the messy timeline (Because the games is not complete) how vast we'll connected and consistent it is.
Like to give you an example the "sea of flowers" that they're talking about? Yeah they already showed that back at one of the very first trailer teyvat chapter on 2020. Another one Kaeya voiceline about khaenriah has completely different meaning now that we know more about khaenriah
Genshins consistently in storytelling is honestly insane for a gacha game no less
Like this kind of storyline is more prone to soulbourne games.
(Although I do agree to travelers lack of reaction but in usual genshin fashion it'll come up in the newer update like they always do)
@@never_ending2220 brother man we dont remeber anything after caribert dissapeard, since that place was the inside of his mind, after he most likely went back into the ley lines, anything after that gets erased because, well the one that was storing that memory dissapeard, so obviously how would we remember anything if the one storing the memory dissapeard, obviously while he was still "alive" we remember the converstation because there was a where place the memory could get stored, plus the abyss twin said the exact same thing but oh well
Unpopular Opinion: The memory erasure was necessary. Firstly, the Traveler needs to maintain his drive to see his journey to the end by using his reunion with his sister as his main goal (because she made it clear in the "We Shall Be Reunited" quest that it is the only way they could reunite). Secondly, the "Sea of Flowers at the End" is endgame stuff (likely Khaenri'ah arc since the flowers are all Inteyvats) and a clue for the Traveler that might tempt him to bypass everything else in his journey by skipping to finding this sea of flowers. Finally, that raw anger and distraught in forgetting is an effect that should be reflected on the playerbase in the place of Aether/Lumine. The "Traveler" is us and "the twins" are themselves, hence the distinction of names whenever Traveler speaks. We were meant to remember what our chosen twin cannot, and the only exceptions are Irminsul erasures but Caribert's consciousness is not an Irminsul/Teyvat domain but his own. When he ceased to exist, everything that occurred within that domain afterwards would be taken with him (or by the Loom of Fate).
Overall, I don't think it ruined the quest; but I think resenting it is part of the experience, for sure. We are not meant to feel good about it, because the reunion of the twins has always been our main goal. To have that ripped from our chosen Traveler, that is a form of injustice we are meant to remember in their place (which is why we have that final picture from Caribert). However, it also fuels the flames (get it? cause natlan is our next region) so we figure out "the truth of this world" and unravel the plans of all the factions involved (i.e. the Fatui, the Abyss Order, the Heavenly Principles, etc...)
My thoughts exactly!
This, exactly! You explained perfectly
okay but there's a difference between feeling injustice and resentment for the characters/alongside the characters and feeling frustration at the story/writing. when the audience hates something that happened because they empathize with the characters, that's good writing. when the audience hates something that happened because it was an unsatisfying/frustrating beat in the story, that's not usually a good sign.
I personally did not like this, not because it doesn't make sense in-universe or narrative wise but because there was so much build up and set up for yet another memory loss cop-out to some actual development of the story and relationship between the twins. sure, it's set up for future stories but we will most likely not see any kind of follow up or continuation, or even any kind of reference to this for another year. it feels like it just there out of obligation for the yearly Dain and lore crumb quota but nothing to actually move the plot forward.
@@niteyknight503 What moved the plot forward is Caribert itself and the completion of the Loom of Fate. THAT particular information was maintained. The development between the twins may have been forgotten via memory erasure, but the fact we were left with a key item means the Traveler was left a revelation: they encountered their sibling in Caribert's consciousness, and THAT is the memory they forgot. This thought will likely linger, making them wonder what sort of encounter did they have with their twin and what discussions had ensued.
I don't think it's a copout necessarily because these memory erasures are actually a form of world-building. Aside from reuniting the twins, we are also aiming to understand the "truth of this world" which gets more elusive when we find out that Irminsul can get rewritten and now the Loom of Fate can actually implant memories. By implication, the Loom of Fate can even bend reality through weaving its own real Ley Lines. The fact it can even affect a Descender like the Traveler, it spells a different form of power not just limited to the seven elements and the light affinity of dragons. It is implying the true power of transcendence found within the Abyss, hence why we also get such a revelation about the Five Sinners.
@@StarlightAnamnesis the loom is complete. what implications does that have? apparently doesn't matter currently since the sibling doesn't even know what to do with it and likely won't know for another year at least, probably longer if we want to get the the Khaenri'ah chapter. worldbuilding and vague implications, cool. great. could have used a bit more than that from the highly anticipated once a year quest tho. we don't even get the traveler's reaction to the picture so it just feels like a wink from the writers directly to the audience saying "isn't it cute? aren't you curious? now wait another year". it had all this buildup with what was gonna be good payoff, only no, memory loss, no actual development or substantial advancement to the plot, wait another year. if these quests happened a little more frequently I might have been fine with it, but here it just feels meaningless and dragged out for no reason other than "the plot demands it"
The only reason why the abyss princess talks like this to her brother is because she knews that they're going to forget the meeting. She needs her brother goes for the Journey alone with the less interaction between them. This is going to be clear at the end of the Journey.
Lumine in the end: So, have you found the truth of this world, brother?
Aether: Yes, I did. And I completely disagree with everything you do, sister. Lets fight now!
That's how I see the end.
@@olgabutorina4156 as much as i would prefer this. it doesnt align with what we know about the siblings, through thick and thin the siblings will always value eachother over anything else
@@kkorii5924yeah. It’s likely Lumine (the other twin) wants the Traveler’s wholehearted opinion without their own thoughts coloring it because they value it and will use it to make their own decision
@@Jordan-ud4qv exactly, it's also why the whole erasing of memories thing, while annoying, still makes sense.
The abyss twin wants their siblings un altered opinion. That's how much they value eachother, even though it would suit their interests better if they just told the traveler their view (the traveler would most definitely take their word over anyone else's) they would still prefer their sibling form their own opinion over the world.
The twins care so much about eachother it makes me sick 😭
when i first finished the quest i was also low-key pissed off lmao, but now that i've had some time to process it + read other ppl's opinion i think it makes sense that the traveler forgot abt the reunion, not to add that we did get the photo of the two at the end. even if we don't remember the reunion we KNOW it happened, plus caribert's note... it's so bittersweet that i actually like it lol
ofc the execution could've been waay better, i think that's the worst part of the quest. too many cool ideas executed horribly in a way-too-short quest that could've been released earlier and directly teased as a continuation of caribert's quest instead of "WOAAAHH TWINS REUNION?!???".
@@Ieeknowz same the execution could've been done better ngl
The problem is the cope people have to try to justify it's "great writing".
Holy crap!
1. You guys added timestamps? Great job, you’re taking notes from Sarah Miller Crews.
2. Cyno & Yoimiya have beef with each other!
3. I can’t wait for Sarah Miller Crews to cry as she sees this archon quest
I think she just did Arlecchino's quest right?
@@Zodia195yes but when she does the Bedtime Story archon quest, I imagine she’s gonna be crying a lot.
1:44:06 Having a problem with it or not is one thing but it does make sense 💀
The reason traveler remember rukka was because they aren't being affected by the irminsul but this time it's because they talked in a place that does not exist (caribert's consciousness after he himself was already gone)
That is also my understanding because that place was created by Caribert, himself using the incomplete Loom of Fate. It is a place that never existed but do only exist as long as Caribert exists. But once his existence is gone so does the place itself, as it is not part of the world of Teyvat.
its still shit storytelling
it doesnt matter that it makes sense (even tho it doesnt) its shit story telling that we have basically nothing for 2 years now
the first caribert quest was a cliffhanger as well and we played a memory of the sibling, it was already thing that had happened so we wouldnt have had influence on that
and now its basically with this quest: well the eye you got in the first 1-2 quests with dain is now gone because deus ex machina caribert could alter dains memories and trick them and mc is like " oh i feel so sorry for you caribert"
its bullshit, like cyyu said why does caribert work with them if in the end he doesnt know what they do with it, what if their plan is just to kill everyone instead of saving them? then he is a killer as well it wouldnt matter then if he told them a bedtime story
and on top of that the first interaction with the sibling after 3!!! years gets wiped because.. for what?
@@LinUzumaki do you think nahida's sadness suddenly gone when rukka got wiped? No it doesn't work like that She still feels it. The same thing applies here, traveler knows they were already reunited and that interaction is real y'all overreacting fr
And why wouldn't Caribert work with the abyss order tho 1) it's his father's organization 2) he's a khaenri'an 3) abyss siblings was the one who helped him too ofc he trust them everybody knows abyss siblings isn't evil "kill everyone" type of person
I don’t mind the memory loss but it’s so dumb that they didn’t show the travelers reaction to the picture, like that should be so significant
@@levi3248 I want to know too
I understand why people are amd about the fact that we cant remember after that but i think there is a BIG reason for it. Because if u think about it (and CyYu even mentioned it in his little rant) The Traveler should be Immune to this forgetting stuff but there is the theory that our sibling became the loom of fate so that could explain why that stuff now effects us. But also it could be super simple because this was in cariberts inner world and havent anything to do with irminsul, and we are immune to changes that are mad to irminsul.
It'd be understandable if someone with badass powers like Dotorre infiltrated someone's record. Right now, the quest was LAME.
@@6MinutesLothar ?
“if u think about it for 2 seconds, the memory wipe makes sense and was necessary” that may be true but that doesn’t erase that fact that the trope is old and overdone, and we’re allowed to be disappointed by it
It's not a trope if it's integral to the story since Venti was released day 1. There has always been timey whimey memory loss going on.
@@1Kitsune1 a trope can still be integral to the story. being a trope doesn’t negate its importance. integral or not, it’s still a frequently used trope
So, if we talked to the sibling BEFORE Caribert disappeared, maybe we could have the memory intact? The sibling purposely waited till he was gone.
Ngl, the memory loss thing is kinda unavoidable, especially when the entire space made by Caribert wasn't supposed to exist in the first place in that world. It's like, you can't have memories from an another world, when the world itself doesn't exist. That's my understanding at least, and that'll make the picture left by Caribert himself that much important, because he used part of his already dwindling power to conjure something into reality itself, to make a simple picture of our siblings
then make sense why mc can remember everything with caribert but not the sibling if the place wasnt supposed to exist, like explain it to me
Because the twins spoke to each other after Caribert's consciousness faded. @LinUzumaki
@@LinUzumaki Because meeting Caribert in this quest took place in Atossa's memory - everything that happened in the realm that Caribert created existed in Cariberts consciousness.
@@LinUzumaki im convinced you didnt play or watch the quest. or youre rage baiting. the whole reason lumine and aether cant remember what happened AFTER CARIBERT IS GONE is because he is gone
@@bathwaterrr if he was gone, how could his realm stay up conveniently for them to talk and only go away right the moment they were done
I loved the quest and the memory loss. Its important for us to know that there is a power capable of removing the Travelers memories - because Irminsul can't. This ads an extra aspect to the story for me.
Also that utter heartbreak for Aether, he had a few brief moments of hope and comfort with Lumine. For once they got to talk and call each other by their real names - and now he's back to profound loneliness and doesn't know why it feels worse than it did before.
I gave the quest 8/10, would've been higher if we'd seen the Dain and Lumine fight.
Dainsleif really got the Childe treatment lol. He just got a throwaway line about what happened to him
6/10. Easily could’ve done more. Finished the story quest. This one was way below mid. I cannot believe I’m still playing this game. The only reason I haven’t stopped is because I put too much effort into it already.
Spoiler alert!!!!!‼️
How are you going to make an hour long quest about caribert and then have Dain and Lumines battle happen off screen, SOMETHING THATS IMPORTANT AND HAS TO DO WITH THE LOOM OF FATE, then have the audacity to make another meeting between the siblings end with a “oh yeah, you won’t remember anything, goodbye”, then the quest just ends without even saying anything or knowing anything that happens to dainseilf.
Probably the worst story thus far. All we learned was that there are more than one sinner, the loom of fate is a powerful world changing tool, and that Lumine hates her brother. That’s it!
@@never_ending2220 Why are you playing if you hate the game so much? Drop it. Go play a game you do enjoy. I'm assuming you didn't mean to reply to my comment, but as you did....
We had huge lore bombs dropped during this quest, Lumine doesn't hate Aether whatsoever, where did you get that from?
@@never_ending2220 you might have special needs tbh
@@ZephyrBluePaddy i saw this person replying to other people comments with the ???? takes,i agree with you,if they dont like it and hate it as much as they say then drop the game??? how can someone enjoy something having the read comprehension of a grape.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who felt this way about the ending. A sour note ending is the perfect description.
Spoilers: In my opinion I think the amnesia part makes sense because then traveler will just continue his own quest and it makes sense also because the traveler were in caribert s consciousness and the consciousness got erased then anything in it would also be deleted and inly the memories he gave the people in the real world exist, forgetting the sibling makes the player eager to see the rest without impacting much the rest of the story which is quite clever
Genshin No-Impact
the main issue isn't that it doesn't make sense but thats its just extremely frustrating for them to pull this overused trope and ruin a moment that has been anticipated for literal years. These interlude traveler quests come way too infrequently for them to pull this nonsense.
That message that came up at 1:13:16 was SUMERU script, not Khaenri'ahn. lol
I think the reason why hoyo chose to erase the reunion is also revealed on the title of the quest. A bedtime story usually starts when you're about to sleep, causing you to forget what happens midway to the end. The Abyss sibling divulged a lot of information about her end of journey which they were comfortable doing for the traveler because they knew the traveler will forget. The sibling wants the traveler to experience the journey themselves and come to their own conclusions without being influenced, why that is, nobody knows. The sibling didn't want to influence the traveler's judgement because they hold their judgement in high regard, probably also to see if what they're doing is justified at the end (remember the part where she says "sometimes i can't even face myself") because she knows she did a lot of bad things to get to this point.
As for the traveler being affected by the memory wipe, bear in mind that the loom of fate is NOT part of irminsul, we don't exactly know the scope of power it has so it kind of gave us an insight as to how powerful it is and provides another major plotpoint: that there is a device/weapon that can affect even the descenders and im honestly excited about this new plotpoint
This is just my opinion. The memory wipe thing doesn't ruin the moment. It feels like it as the player because we know that event happens but it won't ruin story-wise for the Traveler because it is part of his story. I know its sucks. The world created by Caribert doesn't exist at the 1st place so after the creator is gone so does the subsequent event during the process of its destruction. Now I know some will say "we still remember the discussion with Caribert inside his world. Why it didn't disappear?" This is just my own understanding why it didn't happen. Because the memories about Caribert are part of the Leylines, which consists of memories, due to his interference using the incomplete Loom of Fate that is why we didn't forget about the discussion with Caribert. But the place created by Caribert doesn't exist in Teyvat, so no leylines to hold the memories created there. That's just my understanding please no torches and pitchforks 😅
Also, can we all agree that these aren’t Dain quests? They are traveler quests you can even look it up in the game. Yes the first two quests we got spoiled us because he had a lot more to do with them but all in all it’s about the siblings not Dain. He’s just there to give us some lore about Khaenri’ah and the Abyss which heavily relates to the sibling. I love Dain and I do wish he would get more screen time but sadly we probably won’t be getting that until he becomes playable
Problem is it's been called Dain Quests from the beginning b/c it started with him, he was the catalyst who set it all in motion. He's the face and design we associate with this yearly lore drop, not to mention he is intrinsically entwined with our twin and us now. Technicalities have their place but there's no need here.
@@rez-ye that is true but as the story progresses I think we will see little of him ( as sad as that makes me ) at least until we get to the Khaenri’ah arc but who knows?
I never even considered people actually thought they were quests ABOUT him. Like, he sure appears in them but I only ever call them the Dain Quests bc he doesn't appear in anything else (the marketting doesn't count) and always expect him to drop on us lore about the overall storyline/Khaenri'ah/our sibling, not necessarily explore his character
people just call them dain quests bc its the one time a year we get him in a quest
@@bathwaterrr fr fr
Did not know Sethos' voiceline depends on the traveler you choose. I picked Lumine, and I swear his Hello line begins with a "ma'am" rather than the "sir."
It was bittersweet and makes it tragic but I didn't think it ruined it personally. Also you say by their world logic but did you already forget it was running on the Loom of Fate powers, powers that bypass Irminsul b/c it literally rewrites Irminsul's rules. Cyyu my guy, bruh ....
I'm glad i wasn't the only one who was outraged by that ending.
The point of him forgetting makes sense because Caribert is the reason why things stuck, the reason the picture exists is because he made the choice to make it and then he died and once he died, everything that happened in that realm they were in no longer had a way to truly stick anymore. You could argue that, Lumine controls the loom now but she has no reason to let him remember either, that meeting was a momentary comfort for them both, but Lumine still thinks Aether NEEDS to find things out on his own to come to same conclusion she did.
I don't even want to imagine what the traveler feels right after realizing he most likely saw his sister after all, (because of the photo) but he couldn't remember any of it. "It almost feels like I lost something." Like that HAD to have messed him up. 💀💀
I was hiting my bed, crying and saying "Why do they have to suffer so much?" (Aether and Lumine)
The main quest always hit me in the fells
Cyyus so impatient this archon quest
1:26:14 that cutscene is neat, they uses your current element. In the past they tried to stick to the nation element. I always thought they are pre render, so one version of Aether, and one version of Lumine.
Lore wise it makes sense for the traveler to forget what's happening because what happened in the loom of fate is not tied to the tree of knowledge.
No they did not ruin anything. What I want to know is, how does our sibling know about what Focalors did? The quest was really good and as always caused, emotional damage…
so true bestie, I agree 100%, the memory wipe made me so mad too
Also am i the only one who is boggled by the fact the dolls of Atossa and Caribert are still there? (By the tree, atop the tree branch.)
Like... How can that exist if Caribert is only a memory to them?
Likely Atossa’s the one who crafted both of them and she brings them there whenever they plan to meet (even if the conversation just ends up only in her memories). Would have to assume she physically goes there right before Caribert manifests in her memories to meet however.
Personally I really liked the ending and I'm sure the memory thing will come back in some big way later.
That said, I knew some people weren't going to like it and I get it XD it just didn't personally bother me as much.
See that’s me! Honestly it just makes the travelers story more tragic in my opinion.
@@allybaker7450 totally!!
same for me, they are probably gonna bring this up in the Natlan Archon Quest too, we're getting closer to Snezhnaya where the Tsarista will enact her rebellion against the Heavenly Principles.
He forgot how Irminsul and loom of fate work XD
Now that I think about it, I think eventually the traveler will get those memories back, especially since they continued to talk but we couldn’t hear it. So whatever they may have said could appear in a later on moment.
Cyno heavily adopted sethos 😂
You mean they’re back to being rivals
Honestly making mc forget meeting his/her sibling doesn't make sense considering it was literally established in the Sumaru archon quest that due to the nature of our character's existence his/her memories could not be altered or tampered with.
Domains of consciousness and dreams can affect the traveler.
He doesn't remember the previous dream loops without Nahida's help in the Sumeru arc.
That means he actually can have the memories within a certain domains deleted.
The Reason the Dolls are important is because: "How can Dolls of Caribert and Atossa be in Reality when Caribert only ever was in Memories?"
It could be because atossa carved them. I mean, she has memories of him, she knows how he looks like. She can still do her own thing outside of those memories with caribert.
So when it's not sunset, she is still able to do her own thing and carve those dolls
I see this quest as not aether and lumine "moment" more like a lore drop so the whole space disappear and memory loss is kinda expected.
But if i have to say i want more of that time together and tbh sea of flowers? Forget that i want dandelion sea
It can be both. The implications of the picture is still not yet explored, so I'm a little curious to see if they'll do something about it in the next one... or even in the Natlan AQ?
the sea of flowers is literally the last place shown in the teyvat story chapter. It's a very important place
The Only thing I can think of with the memory thing is that the Travaler is "Immune" to changes to Irminsul. But what they saw was due to the Loom of Fate
Maybe The twin actually bypass the Irminsul rule for everyone by using the loom of faith… they purposely left the whole traveler will not remember up until the very end….🤔
There might be a reason as to why the twin is dead set in not letting us remember… it seems very odd
She has no control over the memory. Her memory was wiped as well.
@@BamfCross Nah, i think she did, she just chose to. I think, Lumine has come to the conclusion that if she and Aether are going to be with each other at the end, Aether needs to come to same conclusion she did on his own so he'll have the same conviction. If she just tells him everything, he'll just follow her because it's what his sister said, not because it's what he decided for himself and thus he'll be more easily swayed.
Bro when he realizes that set up for the story in the future exists:
I honestly thought we would have to fight our Twin at the end
That was the major fumble for this quest but I still like it
Don’t make it sadder this soon! Save that for the end.
They are probably gatekeeping that moment till end game I don't think we are gonna fight the sibling in an interlude quest
Sibling is a F'ing COWARD! The ending makes me SO MAD! But your reaction being the same as mine is so damn FUNNY!
I watched the very first cutscene where we met our sibling in mondstadt to check if they had said the traveler's name and IT DIDDDD
I didn't gave it much thought before but now the first cutscene was broooo
U remember the interaction (as the player) cuz the photo.
I would agree with you that the whole "not remembering the reunion" damage the whole quest a bit, but after thinking about the implication of it, I actually don't mind it as much bc this Caribert's realm isn't something that connect to the Irminsul. So, the traveler wouldn't remember anything after Caribert passed on. Also, the fact that photo can still exist even tho the traveler can't remember the reunion just demonstrated the power of Loom of Fate that it can affect the traveler too.
The real problem I have with this quest (and some of Dain's quests) is how short it is and how long we have to wait until the next one. Hmm.... when the game's story reach the end, maybe I should make another account and play the main story quest in 1 go to see how it is.
* I understand you feeling about a certain trope damage the story even tho it might make sense in the context. I happened to me before in other game.
It could have been similar to how everyone forgot about the previous dendro archon but we still remember and that would’ve been a pretty easy fix for it
No that has to do with Irminsul and this doesnt. The traveler has the capacity to have his memory wiped as it happened over 100 times during the samsara cycles in the sumeru archon quest.
I was saying that as in they are not of this world similarly to the situation with Irminsul so it could effect them differently and maybe only partially remember it or maybe it would just be ineffective
@@privatesectorsec Doesn't work because the abyss twin is not considered a descender anymore, so the world no longer considers her/him as an outsider. It would have cheapened the entire encounter if the traveler could remember anyhow. Considering everything, it was done perfectly, and I see no real reason to not have them lose the memory.
Yoimiya really wants him to do her,quest 😂
The traveler remembers Scaramouche (wanderer) and Greater Lord Rukkhadevata but not the conversation with the sibling... why :
I think it's probably because Caribert's realm of consciousness exist out of Irminsul? because he has become the Loom of Fate which is a tool to weave the Ley Lines, so it's something that is a seperate thing from Irminsul itself (atleast that's from my understanding lol 😅)
Mans really didn’t understand that the encounter with Lumine took place in a plane of existance that deleted itself after Caribert was gone for real and that THAT’S WHY AETHER COULDN’T REMEMBER AFTER (neither Lumine).
Pay attention, bro.
genshin story is kindergarten level of writing, imagine defending this slop
@@N5FX imagine being retarded
@@N5FX if you hate it so much why the fuck are you choosing to watch someone play through it
@@MooneyBabblerprobably to be an asshole troll
I think the issue with Paimon's voice was very similar to an issue I had with Yanfei's voice during the Beetle Battle event. Either both Corrina and Lizzie got new mics or there was something in the processing of their lines that made them sound a little off...a little more...bass-y, I guess?
sumeru, nation of wisdom? nah
nation of forget
Glad to know someone else was also feeling upset when Aether forgot his precious time with Lumine again. Why hurt us with this Hoyoverse right after that beautiful music video you gave us of the siblings missing each other ? Ouch my heart. Also not seeing Lumine and Dain's fight was a bummer
To be honest and excuse me if I'm too positive, but I really think the picture at the end will be the start for the next part of the quest. Like, PAIMON says "What's that?" I don't think she will remain idly when she sees a picture of the twins together. I'm not saying she's the reason they got apart, but she's supposed to help us on our journey, what will she think when she sees this shocking picture?
I really hope she has to say something about it
Same thoughts, majority of paimon's art (and those hyv has approved of) it's always with both of the twins.
I know it's probably because they are the main trio, and the twins being the MCs but I still believe that Dain and Paimon are each other's parallel, and she said it herself that she will help the traveller find their twin too 😢
"Farewell Atosa, I apologize for making you know me unwillingly, still I don't wish you to forget me." DUDEEE. Now I need the genshin fandom to get working on them Caribert × Atosa fanfics ffs 😭
They're doing the sumata technique, teasing us cause we still have like 7 years left for the game, from the devs saying on their 10 year plan for the game.
Aether and lumine both forgetting stuff that said makes sense though because if aether knows that information its pointless for him to travel to two other nations since he knows where to go and what happened with lumine
Also we as a descender can only knows information that was erased from irminsul but our reunion happened somewhere outside the irminsul inside someone else’s consciousness so we can’t remember that
No I am with like come on the only memory they had was so important to him was seeing him the sister for the first time in teyvat
This whole questline really feels like Lumine is the MC Twin lol
Miraculous ladybug ah ending
it's sooo easy to put 2 and 2 together and see that the memory wipe was NECESSARY!!! i swear,some people are allergic to stop 5 mins and THINK,icluding cy yu,someone i expect to figure it out since he likes lore,but i guess i was wrong
Don't get mad at Cyyu because the way Hoyoverse tells their stories is God awful 😂😂😂
I agree. I was so disappointed by his reaction, ngl.
@@LM-nb7rj bro .. this one was super easy to understand giving the information we already knew from before????!!!! awful?? maybe for people that are lazy to read
They've really done my boy Dainsleif dirty 🗿
Dain will be crawling into his hibernation cave and tend to his wounds for yet another year.
They didn't ruin it at all.
They absolutely did
Completely agree, nothing was ruined. It is a great quest…and we remember.
@@number2JingYuanmain how was it ruined?
@@bathwaterrr the conversation between the siblings amounted to nothing, simply because Aether forgot. The archon quest was advertised for that little bit of exchange but it happened at the end and the MC don't even remember anyways. You can remove that damn stupid fucking conversation and the quest would've stayed the same
@@number2JingYuanmain If you say so. I mean I dunno what you were expecting. For many, including me, it brought a small amount of closure, including a hint of what the roadmap to the end of the game will look like. A reasonable trail of breadcrumbs, especially when the game is still years out from completion. I think the quest was great. I wanted it to be longer, but in reality, it was as long as it needed to be.
Honestly I do not see the reason why they had to do the memory wipe thing. Personally I believe it was probably unnecessary, and would have served the plot just fine to let them remember.
After giving it a few days, it's obvious that the not remembering thing is gonna be important in the future. Hoyo knew that it was gonna piss players off because they even gave MC a line with them being pissed off about it. "You're only telling me now!" as MC balls up his fist.
Knowing that, it still makes me angry but maybe that's the intended emotion they wanted to evoke. If I'm wrong about all that, then yeah that was a pretty dumb move.
52:50 ok "mr. slightly bigger brain". that puzzle can be done in 3 spins 🙄
Hoyo reeally intended for us to be frustrated with this quest. 😂😂😂😂
Why did I deadass get a peppa pig ad 💀
I hated the "forget their memories trope" for scaramouche too. I could "understand" why they did it for rukka but....still
Sorry but just because you personally don’t like the trope it doesn’t mean they ruined it 😂 it wouldn’t have made sense for them to remember something that happened in a place outside of their reality, that shouldn’t even exist and was about to collapse. Especially because neither of them were “real” in that moment, Lumine said that’s the reason they couldn’t touch. It’s like when you did the Arlecchino sq and, just because you didn’t understand the timeline with Freminet, you thought it was a plot hole 💀
Also, theirs is a tragic story, unfairness is part of their arc. And they still have the picture at the end, even if it would have been better if the Traveler had a reaction to it
if the place isnt supposed to exist why does mc remember everything with caribert but not the sibling? explain it to me
@@LinUzumaki because caribert exist at that time so that place should exist too but when he's gone it doesn't exist anymore and start to collapse
@@LinUzumaki because the guy who was taking together the place was still partially existing. Didn’t you pay attention??? 💀💀
Some people still think this will be a happy story when in fact is a tragic story and it will rip your heart out especially at the end
34:32 someone in chat said its giving Voldemort 😂😂
STOP FORCING US TO FIGHT HILICHURLS
I loved the quest, but I agree with Cy Yu, I hated that part where they've to forget this ever happened. But I'm guessing this has to do with something happening in the future, so lets wait and see
I'm surprised Chat didn't bring up Neal from Camp Camp or Keigo Asano from Bleach. Yui Lose them voiced them too oh dangI think he also voices a character in runs Factory4 or something
I didnt like how it ended, dainsleif coming out of nowhere and leaving out of camera as well. Somehow Caribert being alive and then whole forgetting thing. To me it felt like an easy way to keep the traveler clueless about almost every important thing not only concerning her sibling but about the world. Someone said "but if traveler knows the last location, they will go there". But how? Until now we've been told such a place exists, we dont know the location itself, its like telling a clueless person to go to Vanarana and they don't know what the heck you're talking about. This to me felt, short, rushed and honestly, to have something interesting in an otherwise less than exciting update because the important one is coming in the next part of this update: the summer event. I give it a 5/10 because the quest began really well, still didnt like how dainsleif just suddenly was there and conveniently one day before anything happened
i feel so validated that Cyyu had the same reaction to the ending as me 😂🙏🏻 like i honestly was so disappointed and irritated at that. like it just immediately feels so cheap to me and makes the reunion not actually feel like it mattered at all. obviously it did, but in terms of story it now feels like it didn’t matter. just really put a damper on the quest for me in all honestly 😅
The memory thing was unecessary but other than that i enjoyed this quest quite a lot because it's surprisingly well paced compared to all of the other Genshin quests and it actually gave us more answers than questions this time. I hope Mihoyo will make future quests less padding like this one.
okay but his furinas weapon on level oneeee
In my head canon they are in sumero cause they came to visit in cyno 2nd quest
Changes in laylines and freaking irminsul doesnt have effect on Aether/Lumine but then he forgets this conversation in something that is based on laylines and is part of Irminsul lore? that also ruied it for me but the quest brside that was10/10
travel don't remember the part after caribert's death (i wonder if the sibling does)
Whether it makes sense or not, some players do have the right to get pissed off by this. Yeah, the loom of fate is very powerful, powerful enough to bend reality, but out of everything, they chose to make traveller not remember anything about their reunion. Yes, it has a meaning behind it but this memory loss troupe has been in Genshin for a long time, even from the start of the game. Especially considering the fact that this type of Quest only come once a year, the progress is kinda slow. So yeah, i guess It's kinda reasonable that some people find it annoying
"We will be reunited. But not here, not now."
"We will meet at this journey's end... Once the dust has settled."
i get you didnt like the memory loss thing and thats valid cuz its your opinion but dont say it doesnt make sense just bc YOU didnt understand it
The forgetting wouldn’t be a problem if the game was focused on telling the twins’ story. It hasn’t been. Barely ANY progress since Inazuma lmao
Instead it feels like we’re being strung along the story we were promised from the jump.
That's because the Traveller is the main character. Archon Quests have to quickly finish the arc in just one version while Traveler Quests have only one act per year and has the flexibility of spanning years. Considering that there will be more than 7 chapters (and that they wouldn't just end their arc in Khaenriah), we still have a few more parts to reach the climax.
But if we want more substance in Traveler quests, we should go on the surveys and complain about it lol.
That's exactly my issue. We get only one short quest every year that focuses on traveler and this time they decided to erase the little development they get. It would be less of an issue if we had more quests but we don't, so Traveler feels stagnant as a character.
@@kieran1129 Traveler's character development feels stagnant because the World Quests and Archon Quests are very inconsistent in the portrayal of their character.
The main character of a 10+ year long story will probably not have a lot of development along the first few years of the story's schedule.
@@milesperhour9256 I think the main point here is that this exact scenario would’ve worked two patches ago. It’s a “well we have more story to tell so we can’t have resolutions just yet.”
Time and place, etc etc
@@Mrbluefire95 I'd guess that it's a development problem rather than it being a story problem, since Caribert was in 3.5, releasing a patch after the Lantern Rite
I don't know what are you talking about. My traveller's name is Aether as canon. I play rpg after all
Yo, why are 4 stars hard to get nowadays? I wanted Sethos so bad, wasted all my primos and got Clorinde. I didn't even want her broo 😭
I heavily, heavily disagree. The picture literally solves everything
Why we should remember this? The Abyss is not messing with Irminsul. They made a device to directly control your memory. We can extract the memories from the ley lines, this was shown in the previous Dain's quest, so if they change the ley line (not the Irminsul's archive) they can change the memory of anybody, event the outlander. And this plot twist was made for the sake of showing us how powerful this thing was. Now the Abyss can literally change the world. And just to add, we spoke with our twin not in the real world, but in the memory of other person, so if the memory is deleted, everything that happened there will be deleted as well. Also, I agree with some comments, that this move allows us to continue our journey without any doubt, I mean, our twin told us her motives, we trust her fully, we can just abandon our journey trying to find her and help her. I presume she doesn't want to drag us in this (for now). She's definetely not our enemy. Only thing we have to remember now: we must finish our journey, we must see and understand what our twin saw. Her opinion shouldn't influence ours. And I believe that at the end of this journey our opinion will be completely different, because situation is different: 1) Archons are not that influential anymore (Barbatos is not interfering (almost), Morax is "dead", Shogun rules, but threecomission has the true power, Nahida is not that powerful, she is mostly icon and sage/great advisor, Focalors is dead). 2) The countries overcame the consequences of Cataclysm - the journey of out twin was right after the Cataclysm, the countries were suffering from that, and Archons were not that useful. 3) Our friends and Companion - Paimon and Dain are really different, Dain is mostly dead inside (he has the right and reason for that) but Paimon is mostly cheerful and a great friend, we are making lots of friends in every nation, so we have a reason to try to protect this countries from possible destruction by the Abyss. So my point is, that our twin wants us to form independent opinion, but in the end it will be different and maybe we will convince her that everything is good now (Heavenly Principles may be destroyed by then), and there is no point to revive fallen nation using Abyss.
I don't think it has anything to do with that
When traveler is inside someone else's consciousness he's just as vulnerable to having his memory of that place wiped as anyone else. (Nilou's dream loop)
Ley lines made us be able to access Atossa's memory so it's a mix of both actually
More than a year waiting only for this, not fking worth. They better release dainsleif quest every 3 months if they keep doing this
Recordamos a Scaramouche cuando se hizo su reinicio con el Irmisul, recordamos a Rukkhadevata, una Arconte que se borró de la existencia. ¡¿Pero no al gemelo?! ¿Cómo es posible? Creo que muchos jugadores estamos molestos por el resultado de esta misión
Ni recordamos los sueños del Festival de Subzeruz sin la ayuda de Nahida.
Estos recuerdos son de la conciencia de un hombre que ni existe en el mundo. Estamos en un dominio con sus leyes propias.
1:43:14 - 1:43:18 It really doesn’t make up for it
Same reaction I had at the same moment. u_u
yeah the quest was fantastic until it just cuts away from dain and the twin. they skipped the budget and rushed the rest because they don't want it to affect the stories they're most likely writing right now. they always play it safe which leads to very little information being brought forward and rushed endings to quests because they aren't sure how to wrap it up without it potentially spoiling something later on. I would be less mad if the dain quest came 2-3 times a year but we have to wait for next year for a sprinkling of lore again.
??? you want them to show Dain's kit when it's probably an element+content from irl years in the future? What a bad take
@Jinni-iras17514 I don't think you understand how this game works. You think ninguang can shoot an entire wall scaling 100 meters worth of boulders no she shoots pebbles in game. You think shenhe can freeze a tsunami no she can barely apply cryo reliably. They do not use characters kits in cutscenes have you played this game before? The traveler uses a dull blade and has never once used their powers before besides making a random glow effect before hitting something. Maybe never comment again 😃
@@esheep8697
Those are elements already prominently shown in the game just upscaled to look cooler for the sake of anime fight scenes.
Have they ever shown us a fight that involves the dendro element before it was explained or properly revealed? No.
Never cook again.
@Jinni-iras17514 you think they're going to release quantum or imaginary that's cute. They said there's 7 elements for the teyvat chapter. There will stay 7 elements until we leave teyvat. Guess we won't know until way later in the future after 3 more years. I think you forgot this is genshin impact the game where they despise adding anything to the game and will their utmost effort to avoid adding anything. Lastly just like you said. They can do whatever they want for the cutscene they could have just had them have a physical only fight but they didn't. Instead we got nothing stop meat riding this game so damn hard.
@@esheep8697
You finally let it slip. You're burnt out but the game still lives rent free on your recommendations page. You ignore any improvements the game makes out of blind hate. Take a break.
Anyone justifying the amnesia ending is coping.
Not enough DAINSLIEF too
nah,you're just lazy to think!
When traveler is inside someone else's consciousness he's just as vulnerable to having his memory of that place wiped as anyone else. (Nilou's dream loop)