Thank you FWP for this informative video. I literally went through the regulations and called FWP to make sure what I do was proper and legal. Again thank you for this.
Great video, that first projectile appears to have a paper patch on the bottom half. Assuming paper patch is not considered a sabot? I love paper patch bullets
It's civil war era jacketed bullet.. rimfire 44 Henry flat point also dates to then.muzzle vel of 700fps or less.. not an improvement in range over a mv of 2000fps rd ball..
The spirit of the law is that the technology used is pre- and Civil War era. Open, iron sights and effective range generally under 150 yards keeps the muzzleloading season a hunt and not just a shoot.
I appreciate that FWP made this video to clarify the rules. This is exactly the kind of way I would like to see my license dollars spent. I don't support wardens running around busting well meaning hunters on technicalities. That being said, I agree with all of these rules except those requiring plain lead projectiles. I think sabots with copper jacketed projectiles are safer for animals and humans.
I love some of these comments. "I think it should be all wood stock" "I think you should wear all fur" you do you guys. Probably don't even hunt during Heritage season.
Powerbelts are NOT considered a sabot, were legal last year, and verbiage is the same from last year regarding projectiles. Also, the 'spirit' of the season is not a definitive definition unless you add that definition into the text body of the regulations otherwise it is relegated to the opinion pile.
So if it is for muzzleloaders why is the last rifle in the title screen an 1873 Winchester lever action, that would most definitely be a centerfire cartridge.
Thank you, @hxccomms777, for bringing our mistake to our attention! We appreciate your keen eye and have promptly corrected the issue. Thank you for your feedback!
FWP is run by liberals who don’t know anything about firearms. Their “be bear aware” program makes no reference to firearms being the best defense against a predatory bear. These are college educated dweebs writing these regulations. They have no field experience and have gotten people killed because of bad advice for tourist in bear country
I get why plastic stocks are legal. They really dont significantly add any advantage to the "shooting" of the rifle. My question is why would anyone buy one other than reduced costs of purchase.
So you can have a plastic stock, but no plastic on the projectile. If it’s lead only it should be wood only. Just my opinion. If we’re going to keep it historically correct, let’s do it all the way.
You are wrong on your definition of an inline and percussion ignition. No where in the published hunting regulations does it say the precision ignition system has to be on the side of the weapon. You are adding a verbal interpretation of what you think is the rule. That’s not how it’s worded in the regulations. The regulations quote “A hunter may not use a rifle that requires insertion of a cap or primer into the open breech of the barrel”. An Idaho legal muzzleloader such as a Knight Ultra Light or Mountaineer with a western precusion or musket cap ignition has a breech plug between the exposed percussion ignition system and the barrel. Therefore the cap is not inserted into the open beech of the barrel such as a 209 primer would be. According to the regulations, this weapon and weapons like it comply with the description in the regulations, even though the percussion ignition isn’t on the side. By the regulation’s definition, any modern muzzleloader that’s legal in Idaho would be legal in Montana , even though the percussion ignition isn’t on the side of the weapon. Good luck writing a ticket that would stand up in court. Please develop a better understanding of what is allowed and how muzzleloaders work before putting out bad information that prevent people, with certain weapons that are legal, from hunting.
Also, it’s preposterous to justify that this season is to celebrate our muzzleloader history and that only traditional weapons should be used, yet there is not regulation forbidding the use of 1x power non-magnified optics. It’s supposed to be traditional, but I can still use a red dot or fixed 1x scope.
@@feelsgooddoitPer FWP regulations, you can’t hunt from a vehicle with anything if you don’t have a permit. Also, muzzleloaders are not firearms when it comes to firearm laws, however, in the realm of hunting/game management, muzzleloaders are included in the definition of “firearms.”
Man, the spirit of the rules is obvious. If you want to risk fighting that fight just to gain an extra 80 yards of effective range during what’s supposed to be a traditional hunt, go for it. We get an extra 9 days of hunting because of this and people like you are gonna be the reason they take it away.
Just because you found a couple loopholes doesn't invalidate the heritage argument. It's called the heritage season for a reason. Your argument is just going to get you more restrictions.
Btw great video really clears the air..great job
Montana did this Heritage Season right, i wish it was a tad longer season though.
Thank you FWP for this informative video. I literally went through the regulations and called FWP to make sure what I do was proper and legal. Again thank you for this.
We are glad to hear that the video was a helpful resource. May the odds be forever in your favor this heritage season.
@MontanaFWP thanks a bunch.
Thank you FWP for developing this video. We hunters really appreciate it.
Good synopsis Warden K! Thanks. Appreciate all you guys do for us lowly public hunters.
Great video, that first projectile appears to have a paper patch on the bottom half. Assuming paper patch is not considered a sabot? I love paper patch bullets
It's civil war era jacketed bullet.. rimfire 44 Henry flat point also dates to then.muzzle vel of 700fps or less.. not an improvement in range over a mv of 2000fps rd ball..
The spirit of the law is that the technology used is pre- and Civil War era. Open, iron sights and effective range generally under 150 yards keeps the muzzleloading season a hunt and not just a shoot.
Wish Nebraska would take some pointers from Montana. They are doing it the right way.
What about traditional bows? Be nice to add those into the heritage season.
What about a peep sight? I have one on my flintlock.
Peep sights are legal. Thank you for your question.
Very well done.
I appreciate that FWP made this video to clarify the rules. This is exactly the kind of way I would like to see my license dollars spent. I don't support wardens running around busting well meaning hunters on technicalities.
That being said, I agree with all of these rules except those requiring plain lead projectiles. I think sabots with copper jacketed projectiles are safer for animals and humans.
I think just like blaze orange during general season, a real fur hat and buck skins must be worn during the heritage season
I'll be wearing my fur hat.😊
I love some of these comments. "I think it should be all wood stock" "I think you should wear all fur" you do you guys. Probably don't even hunt during Heritage season.
I wish Georgia would do that
Powerbelts are NOT considered a sabot, were legal last year, and verbiage is the same from last year regarding projectiles. Also, the 'spirit' of the season is not a definitive definition unless you add that definition into the text body of the regulations otherwise it is relegated to the opinion pile.
So if it is for muzzleloaders why is the last rifle in the title screen an 1873 Winchester lever action, that would most definitely be a centerfire cartridge.
Thank you, @hxccomms777, for bringing our mistake to our attention! We appreciate your keen eye and have promptly corrected the issue. Thank you for your feedback!
FWP is run by liberals who don’t know anything about firearms. Their “be bear aware” program makes no reference to firearms being the best defense against a predatory bear. These are college educated dweebs writing these regulations. They have no field experience and have gotten people killed because of bad advice for tourist in bear country
I get why plastic stocks are legal. They really dont significantly add any advantage to the "shooting" of the rifle.
My question is why would anyone buy one other than reduced costs of purchase.
Question since scopes where used during the civil war on both sides why can't we use a circa replica of those same scopes?
So you can have a plastic stock, but no plastic on the projectile. If it’s lead only it should be wood only. Just my opinion. If we’re going to keep it historically correct, let’s do it all the way.
I would add, don’t shoot conicals out of a gun rifled for round balls. Don’t shoot round balls out of a gun rifled for conicals.
Lee REAL conicals tend to do well from slow twist rifles.
@ I have a TC 50 with a 1:48 twist barrel. It shoots round balls and maxi balls equally well.
If a slow twist a hollow base Minnie will stabilize.
You are wrong on your definition of an inline and percussion ignition. No where in the published hunting regulations does it say the precision ignition system has to be on the side of the weapon. You are adding a verbal interpretation of what you think is the rule. That’s not how it’s worded in the regulations. The regulations quote “A hunter may not use a rifle that requires insertion of a cap or primer into the open breech of the barrel”. An Idaho legal muzzleloader such as a Knight Ultra Light or Mountaineer with a western precusion or musket cap ignition has a breech plug between the exposed percussion ignition system and the barrel. Therefore the cap is not inserted into the open beech of the barrel such as a 209 primer would be. According to the regulations, this weapon and weapons like it comply with the description in the regulations, even though the percussion ignition isn’t on the side. By the regulation’s definition, any modern muzzleloader that’s legal in Idaho would be legal in Montana , even though the percussion ignition isn’t on the side of the weapon. Good luck writing a ticket that would stand up in court. Please develop a better understanding of what is allowed and how muzzleloaders work before putting out bad information that prevent people, with certain weapons that are legal, from hunting.
Also, it’s preposterous to justify that this season is to celebrate our muzzleloader history and that only traditional weapons should be used, yet there is not regulation forbidding the use of 1x power non-magnified optics. It’s supposed to be traditional, but I can still use a red dot or fixed 1x scope.
Also you can shoot from a vehicle, not a firearm.
@@feelsgooddoitPer FWP regulations, you can’t hunt from a vehicle with anything if you don’t have a permit. Also, muzzleloaders are not firearms when it comes to firearm laws, however, in the realm of hunting/game management, muzzleloaders are included in the definition of “firearms.”
Man, the spirit of the rules is obvious. If you want to risk fighting that fight just to gain an extra 80 yards of effective range during what’s supposed to be a traditional hunt, go for it. We get an extra 9 days of hunting because of this and people like you are gonna be the reason they take it away.
Just because you found a couple loopholes doesn't invalidate the heritage argument. It's called the heritage season for a reason. Your argument is just going to get you more restrictions.