March 1973 Saint Louis, Downtown
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- Опубліковано 13 вер 2024
- Super 8 film, filmed for a Mrs. Vignery's English Class, Kirkwood High School, "The Alienated." Audio accompaniment used at that time was Petula Clark's Downtown, though Eleanor Rigby was also considered, hence the focusing on the people who were downtown. We were focusing on the people who were downtown, not buildings, etc.
Filmed using an high-quality Beaulieu camera, I do not recall the model. We had a club at the high school which had good equipment, due to fund-raisers and a dedicated membership.
The film was converted to video using a WorkPrinter telecine setup, using a Canon XHA-1S high definition camera.
I was born in St. Louis, at St. Luke’s, 6 months after this was filmed. After my parents came home after college, it was the late 70’s. I remember the “905.” However, Central Hardware was on Manchester by Hampton. Don’t remember it Downtown. Also, it was far more white than portrayed in this short film. We were one of 20 Black families that had Big Red season tickets. I saw a lot of Downtown as a kid. My grandfather worked as a janitor for McDonnell-Douglas. I didn’t realize how good that money was until ‘95. My grandmother didn’t have a drivers license, but she had a MasterCard. We took the bus Downtown to Famous-Barr and just shopped. She worked as a janitor for St. Louis Public Schools. I know my city needs work, but it won’t work if everyone is scared.
@Yo Mama black people are obsessed with race, everyone knows that
@@orcajr.5843 It wasn't a big deal when I lived with my parents on campus housing at Ottawa University in the 70's. However, the political climate of St. Louis in the late 70's and early 80's forced to issue. For me, being Black is like having a pinky toe, I only notice it when I causes me pain.
NPC 33331 That’s the problem, I don’t know them. All my family members went to college and not to prison. They all have extensive prison connections. You’d have more luck with stopping the IRA than I would with a street thug. Their currency is violence, and every man wants to be rich.
Joseph Higgs
Fools give full vent to their rage, but the wise bring calm in the end -Proverbs 29:11 Thank you for your comments on this story. I appreciate your perspective.
We don't care about ur college or you
Wow, look at all the dead people who have passed on! In 1973 I was 16 yrs old. Now I am 62 yrs old and I remember how good the 1970's were! People please enjoy your lives because it will pass you by before you know it. May the Lord God Bless you and find Salvation in the Lord Jesus Christ-Amen! Thank You for the Video!
It's super unbelievable that people have died and moved on. Wow. Unbelievable wow
CHRIST IS KING!
Wow, you must be a super snarky 67 year old.
Lol, just joking.😂
Wow
Everything changes 😊
I remember when my grandma use to say “I remember when....” 🤣
NOW I’m the grandma
I was born St.Louis Mo 1964 i lived there till 1996 been gone ever since i came back to get high but not to live it was a Great time growing up
I was born February 1973 I really miss the 70's and 80's things were a lot simpler then. I often listen to stories about the 60's from my mother those were good times when people actually communicated with each other.
@NowA NevA I have 2 young sons and it scares me just thinking about how society will be when their teenagers, young people of today's world have their innocence taken by destructive messages all around them it's the world us so called Western civilized humans created.
I was born in 1962, in Florrisant. My best memories of St. Louis were the kindness in the people. I miss it, still, every day.
The city is once again on the upswing. I’m 24 years old and have been living downtown for 6 months now. It has been a dream and not nearly as bad or unsafe as people tried to tell me. I think people need to turn off the news and experience things themselves more often.
Life in the city ain’t pretty
I grew up in the city and workd there as an adult, please watch your surroundings and stay safe. It was fun growing up in the city as a kid but most places that arent super safe dont have everything happening in one spot where one person is able to observe all that goes on. @Seth-L
I was working at downtown famous and Bar in 1973. Some of the best times of my life. Downtown was so cool back then. I live downtown now and I can't wait to move back to South St Louis.
My grandmother worked at that F&B selling coats. :)
@@dianahohimer1107 I worked on both ladies coats floors the third floor and the basement where I brought merchandise from the stockroom to the floors. From 1973 to 1978. Also worked at the Baskin-Robbins on the first floor of famous bar. I'm sure I probably knew your grandmother as I was friendly with all the ladies.
I live in st.louis right now
Tashara Holmes I do too it sucks leaving as soon as my lease is up
Me too
@Dan Jackson You can thank Lyndon B Johnson the progressive Democrat who made the Black community are what they are today.
I was living in the Brentwood drury hotel for work this summer, looked out my window one night and saw some dude get robbed and murdered right outside the bonefish grill. Scared the shit out of me coming from white suburbia Colorado
@@Timmyval123 I researched the murder, yikes. The murderers are Tyler Terry and Adrienne Simpson and they were caught and convicted of multiple murders, and actually lived in South Carolina when they went on a 4 person killing spree, maybe even more victims. Modern day Bonnie and Clyde. The guy who you witnessed get murdered was a complete stranger to them.
Great footage! Thanks for sharing man!
The Greyhound bus station was on the current site of the ED Jones Dome. I remember going there numerous times as a kid.
Me too
Me three.
Me four
Also the one on the corner of 12th and Cass.
Was 16 in 1972. Lived in Kirkwood and went to KHS. Am still here. Remember stl VERY well. My grandmother use to take us kids down to STL on a bus to see movies in the summertime, ocassionaly. Remember the hustle and bustle on Washington street in the 60s.
Great uploads buddy! I love the city I was born in! And I'm loving the rehabilitation of downtown St. Louis
Boy I wish I could go back then and buy my 1973 Trans AM with a 455 brand new.
Gotta love the Pontiac Power my brother, Pontiac was not only GM's Mopar but also America's BMW as well and GM should've never got rid of Pontiac.
I had the 1965 Chevy Impala SS with the 327, I also had 1973 Chevelle SS with a 397 and a 75 Camaro with a 350, and a 1976 Chevrolet Malibu with a 350. What I wouldn't give to have those Vehicles today and had the old downtown back again.
The then "Great Flood", because exactly 20 years later in 1993 it'd go even higher than 1973 levels!
I remember taking by state downtown to buy toy model cars, the bus stop was across the street from the Greyhound station. Greyhounds competitor Trailways was across the street from that.
Grew up in Kirkwood as did my father and mother. No family there any longer.
Always felt at home in St Louis, I’m from southeast Missouri but I have a house in south county also. My gma had to leave st Louis. with all the kids when my mom was small Bc my grandfather was in with a rough crowd
I remember going downtown with my mom and how bustling downtown was! Now, the only time people are downtown is during a sporting event. St. Louis has one of the most dangerous downtowns in the country!
I've never understood how people scared of St Louis, but aren't scared of Chicago!😂 They just as bad as us!😬
@@Shadow-hv2vp ....
Chicago is an international world class city.
Look at the crowds of people walking on Michigan Ave Chicago and compare to Market street in St Louis.
STL is a ghost town.
The city of St.Louis wouldn't be as deadly as it is now had it not wanted to separate from St.Louis County in 1877.
Wow. Thank you for sharing.
Great memories of when St.Louis City was one of the greatest places to live, eat, shop and live, when I grew up, in the world. ☺
You never had to go anywhere else. Everything you could possibly want was in St. Louis.
It still is a great place to live. It's just much, much more spread out. But yeah, I remember when Downtown was the place to be. So much activity, so much variety, so much life. Perhaps what I miss most is the freedom us kids had to roam. We would catch a streetcar up Grand and hit a ballgame or ride them downtown and just bum around...and we were 10 without a parent in sight, as if they even knew where we were. Everything seemed close by, and it was.
Ahh...St Louis. Once a great city. Trying to come back is extremely costly and time-consuming, but good things are happening all over town.
Like murders and carjackings galore
I don’t think St. Louis will recover
@@kingb6047 If St.Louis Missouri doesn't get its act together then it'll eventually become extinct.
CJ Colvin I don’t think so they are not going to let it get as bad as Detroit
@@kingb6047 True and hopefully one St.Louis Missouri will return to its former glory.
Pretty good quality for super 8, I was in the Army in NJ when this was shot.
I added info about the film to the description, based on your comment. We used a Beaulieu camera and I digitized it using a WorkPrinter and a Canon XHA-1S camera, so I squeezed about everything out of the film that I could.
Today its a dying wasteland. Such a shame.
Those blue public buses were still running throughout the 80s when I remembered
I liked it better in that era than I do now.
Today its a sanitized corporate waste land that only has visitors when one of the sports teams is playing. St Louis may be better than Detroit but just barely.
As a Detroiter who left St Louis, I disagree. The rust belt renaissance that arrived in the 2000s left St Louis behind. That's finally changing.
Doug N obviously you haven't been to Detroit area in a while
Misery Sucks Period
@@stevemorelli1451 ... my last visit to downtown Detroit was in 1994. It was really really bad. Skyscrapers abandoned. Empty streets. Very apocalyptic.
Doug N. ... if you went now you wouldn't even notice it Woodward Avenue and all that Saul redone people down there shopping and entertainment every night down there very busy different world down there from the early 90s
I remember the revolving 905 sign.
I was born in Saint Louis my dad used to work at Saint Louis steel before it shut down in the eighties
Grma used to buy my shoes at the Red Goose, while dad shopped at central hardware. Grew up in N County But always found time to shop in the city and as I got older it was a great place to party!
My dad would have been 16 at this time he lived right on the other side of downtown
i love this. although there is some life in downtown STL its no where near as bustling as it should or could be. The city needs better planners that seek solutions rather than knocking buildings down to make it look more like suburbia.
Until there is better police coverage downtown, I don’t see things getting better.
@@dshooter6391 Thats what happens when you have a crappy prosecutor (Kim Garner) who lets criminals and thugs roam in the streets and a corrupt mayor (Tanisha Jones) who decides to defund the police there for making the city of St.Louis even more deadly.
Most American cities are minimal. American culture prefers the suburbs over the cities. From my experience, cities are better and more interesting outside of America
It seems like there were more gas stations downtown back then...
More people in downtown
905 liquor priceless
Right on Market street
905 liquors!!! Ok, where was central hardware downtown?
905 is Famous for its 3.2 beer also sold on Sundays in the 50s
I remember that 905 shop downtown and also the twin theatres blocks from the ballpark.
The 905 was a liquor store
The theaters you're talking about were called Stadium cinema 1 and 2.
I was born 1970 here in St.Louis and I still get lost downtown.CRAZY but I love the LOU.
I was there in 1973 I was a three-year-old kid grew up in the Hill Neighborhood area
Man I miss when downtown had the Pizza Hut with the huge neon sign, the all night roller skating rink that got torn down by ballpark village. Remember Joel- the guy with the Pet Boa constrictor that used to take pictures with people?
Interesting that a lot of it looks the same to me and I grew up in the 80s & 90s. Weird watching the world before you were created
At 1:54 we drove down to Wharf Street ( now Leonor K. Sullivan) and filmed some of the derelict buildings, a woman waiting for a bus on Wharf St., then went into South St. Louis on our way to Jefferson Barracks, which was edited out.
You did great, really. I'm guessing the residential area close to the end is somewhere around Cass and 12th (now Tucker)...? Anyway, great video!
Months before I was born.
I was away from the area during this period but this is a wider mix than simply "downtown".
No, I think the residential area being shown is the area between Cass and Cole, west of Broadway. I say that becase of the clear shots of Washington Ave at Broadway, which used to be the Headquarters pf the Mo Div of Employment Security, ie the Unemployment Office...
Hey there's an old Ford Maverick in that video.
I saw that too. Looked like a 71 Grabber. Hopefully it was a 302 and not a weak sauce straight-six.
@@joshn938 Same here mate.
But we're you looking for your chapstick in traffic?
@@jsoo67 No I was looking at the Maverick.
@@CJColvin it's from a movie just put in traffic chapstick on here and you'll know what I'm talking about.
Wasn’t even thought of then lol but I wish I were born in the 70s / 80s era
INice Video.👌👌 Now I wish I could go back with my camera to shoot more videos.😃
This looks better than the Super 8 that's getting shot today. Was this shot at 24fps? Is that the difference?
I believe that it was shot at 24 fps, but not certain. I used a workprinter to digitize it, with a Canon A1S. I cannot believe the raw film has any better quality than other eight super eight film, Kodak film.
@@bobgap I was thinking of this video when I made the comment. Looking again, it could be that your footage was shot on a tripod (presumably), which gives it a more professional feeling. This other footage, beyond being handheld, seems warmer and less contrasty.
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I use to love coming across the river to St. Louis in the 70's as a kid with my grandmother on the weekends, now I live in St.Louis and I don't like it at all.
I attended KHS from 1973-1977.
My high school honor club would go there every spring for the state convention. We were there when The Godfather premiered. They had gangster cars and actors like Al Capone outside and in the lobby. I fell asleep it was so long. We went to a porn movie too- they just let us in. We stayed about 10 minutes. We were embarrassed! Some old guy bought us beer. We stayed at the Sheraton. Some kids from somewhere were tossing air conditioners from upper floors. Some other kid had some weed and everybody narc-ed on him! Crazy youth.
The Great Flood was 1993. Man, the bus station, Central Hardware and 9-0-5 Liquor Store.
There was another flood in 93, but there was a flood in 73, also, that was the reason there was such a large flood wall built that saved downtown in 93. It was nearly as bad as the 93 flood.
I graduated from Kirkwood High 🙌🏽
I was there!
I WAS 12YRS OLD I REMEMBER HOW DOWNTOWN WAS..
Saint Louis 1984. So eleven years later.
Same here. August 25th 1984
nice find
Although there has been a lot of revitalization of downtown StL, it still has a deserted feeling when the cardinals aren’t playing. Was downtown actually “downtown” in the true sense of the word in 1973? I moved here from Seattle in 97
Yes, I would say it was booming until about the late eighties.
Nestafan2 I went to art school in 97 and lived in the basement of the leather trades building on locust (?) for $175/month. We all got booted eventually when Washington Ave became gentrified. Funny, kick out all the artist to build contemporary “artists lofts” that the artists can’t afford 🤷🏻♂️
Moved here in 97? Shut your face.
Richard Hopkins feeling a little feisty today Dick?
@Milk Apples St Louis probably feels so deserted because of its bad reputation
Bob, How can I permission to use some of this footage for a small true crime documentary I am working on?
Look for Harlem 1939 in here and they show the same video
Hi Mr. Borcherding. My name is Jonathan and I'm working on a documentary about the revitalization of St Louis for an English project. I also attend Kirkwood High School and was hoping you would let me use your footage. I will cite you in the credits for the video. Thank you!
Jonathan Munroe that would be fine. We were doing a class with Mrs. Vignery called the alienated, and this was what we came up with, to the background music of “Downtown” by Petula Clark. We did the filming on a Saturday morning in early March or late February, before the flood of 93 hit. Mr Stout was upset that we filmed people entering and leaving the bar, but we were kids and had no trouble.The gal waiting for the bus towards the end was on Wharf Street (now Leonor K Sullivan...) along with some of the broken down buildings. There wasn’t much of it on the film and it did not make it on my digitization, but we ended up at Jefferson barracks cemetery.
@@bobgap Thank you so much for allowing me to use your footage. Go Pioneers!
I remember Mr. Art Stout. He was a good man.
@@bobgap Hello, I'm a Lindenwood University student also working on a documentary on 70s St. Louis. May I have you permission to include your footage? I'll give you full credit.
Warren Armour Yes.
My mom was 13 that year in stl
Kirkwood alumni 🤗
St. Louis is almost the same as Detroit
Detroit is way worse!
@@dshooter6391 yes I know but still St. Louis and Detroit is almost the same
@@gaming_sportsaaron1365
I will say this, Detroit is still able to attract major events! e.g.super bowl
Stl and Detroit are running neck and neck!
I've been to both cities. Live in the burbs of STL.
Detroit is far worse. Not saying stl is great tho
@@dshooter6391 ... Detroit has double the metro population of Stl.
Detroit = 4.4 million
STL = 2.8 million (and going down)
My friends from St. Louis might be my dumbest friends!
This is rather random, not pertinent, and if it is true, I wonder what your friends say about you.
@@bobgapI am a mope like them! … but I’m just not from St. Louis.
Beautiful
Peep show must have closed shortly after this.
Went downtown to enlist in the Army 11 years later just a few blocks from the bus station. Was a dump then. A dump now.
No Arch shot? Wth
Let's Go BLUESSS!!!
I was 16 and in North County
the great flood?
I’m from stl
The "great flood" was in 1993
Yup
We need Republican leaders and a Republican mayor so we can bring the city of St.Louis back to its former glory.
I suspect a lot of the cause for the demise of the city since then is that people left the city for suburbia. I don't see Republicans interested in making it any better.
@@bobgap Well people wanted more space, they want driveways and garages, wanted a back yard so the kids can go play, and last but not least they wanted to get away from (you guessed it) crime. If every single Republican leader was in charge of the city of St.Louis then the city of St.Louis would have very little to no crime, and the city of St.Louis would become Missouri's largest City once again and have all the fun like Kansas City Missouri and plus it'll make people in St.Louis County want to reemerge with the City St.Louis Missouri.
After the great white flight..no one looked back
I'm not a republican, however the Dems haven't done anything to fix the massive problems.
So I say let the Repubs run the show for a decade or two.
@@bobgap ... if there's money to be made the Repubs are all in.
St Louis has huge potential in the right political (tax friendly) environment.
How much for a nudge show a quarter 😂
Downtown. Yes , 1973 I worked at FAMOUS BARR. it was my GRADUATION AT THE GOLD ROOM IN THE JEFFERSON HOTEL now it's a SHIT HOLE * of a DOWNTOWN
A GREAT CITY AT ONE TIME *
Patrick Small World I worked at famous b a r r in 1973. Started at the Baskin-Robbins on the first floor and transferred into the stock Department where I worked in the basement tunnel.
Heh I wasn’t even a thought then
thx before the flood
I'm a lifetime st lousian, and went to kirkwood. This film was a waste of time and looked like a school project. It lacked all kinds of information. Too bad.
Duh. It said in the titles that it was a school project-multiple times on this page it is mentioned that it was a school project. This film is about serendipity, because there are images of St. Louis where otherwise there might not have been-sharing what there was. When you were 18 did you do a film project to share on a non-existent UA-cam that would come about 32 years later and have the foresight to film things that wouldn't fit into your school project?
Chea!
So St. Louis just always been ghetto..
Looks like there's a ton of bums in the 70's.
And there are still homeless people walking around downtown to this day. If u go to the Hardees at 630 on Friday night's 4500 block Broadway most the time there is a Homeless outreach that goes out .
That Hardees doesn't even exist anymore. I literally don't recognize like anything in this video...and I live downtown
You should see it today
I worked downtown in the early seventies I've lived downtown today. As for those bums they're still as many today is there were in the seventies the only difference is they're more aggressive today a lot more. I plan on moving back to South St Louis soon as my lease expires. Downtown was more like a neighborhood back then with Corner bars, cafeteria is like Miss h u l l i n g s, famous bar had the Christmas displays in the big Windows every year. Downtown was fun and awesome. I actually stayed downtown after work and continued to party instead of going home. Nowadays it's nothing but overpriced clubs especially on Washington Avenue. Shootings break-ins and car theft.
This makes me wanna puke.
Their was a lot of Mooleys back then!
I was there!
Vernon Patterson scrambling on the corner? The city’s fallen far