Immigration on this scale is untenable. Fortunately we now have data on this subject. An immifrant needs to earn £48k a year to breakeven in their lifetime. The median salary is £36k!!! I am an immigrant and ironically we're leaving because we feel the scale of immigration now is fraying the social contract. You cannot absorb 1m people a year, particularly since the vast majority don't earn £48k a year.
Very interesting point and data I share your point of view about high prices... everything is extremely expensive and we too are thinking about leaving the UK.
This is one of the very popular, but blatantly false narratives from people who have little idea how economy works. This statement equates economic value generated by a person to their fiscal contributions, which is obviously false. E.g., if I create mass exported products - I create massive value for the economy. At the same time I can have very modest income because I'm underpaid immigrant. The surplus that is taken from me is someone else's salary, tax paid or cheaper product that British people can enjoy. The "average" you compare immigrants with also includes top 10 percent who pay over 60% of the UK's income tax. Are you sure you want to compare immigrants, who are one of the most disadvantaged demography against bankers, business owners, top scientists etc? And if you remove this segment you will probably discover that 90% of Brits are on average "net negative" and "cost UK tax payer between X and Y" over the course of their lifetime.
Immigration or not is a false ditochemy. It is about the numbers a country can absorb and what the immigrant contributes to the country he she immigrates to. Canada, Ireland and Great Britain have gone way overboard on immigration. Its coroding the culture and economy to dust.
I couldn't agree more. The past is in the past, and things have changed. I like tradition and would hope that Britain can keep theirs, but the more I look around, the more I understand people don't necessarily feel this way... but maybe it's because we feel lost and confused
@@NonNativeEntrepreneur The West in general needs a new identity. It used to be all about Christianity and then modernism rapidly upended the world and we all went secular as science allowed us to explain everything. After WWII "liberal democracy" was our central tenet but now after the fall of the Berlin wall and the collapse of soviet communism, it's not unique to the west anymore. Where do we go from here?
@@thehandlermanquote by Plato: "Dictatorship naturally arises out of democracy, and the most aggravated form of tyranny and slavery out of the most extreme liberty.” Liberal democracy hasn't done any us any favours. Also, re-defining what it means to be British seems pretty aggressive, like would you say this about any other group? How would you interpret it say about the Chinese or Somalians? It's a dangerous direction imo.
@Laura7733 i think you're misunderstanding what I was saying. Nation states are usually built on values, mythology, ethnicity etc. Things that bring people together. Britain doesn't really adhere to any of those old stories that held it together so we need new stories, values, visions to unite people towards something again.
There are native Brits living on 100+ acre estates but instead of getting mad at the hoarders you're getting mad at immigrants who you have more in common with than any billionaires or even millionaire. You're mad at the wrong thing and you don't even know it.
Firstly, this country is England not Britain! Secondly, Immigration isnt the problem, integrated immigrants that embrace our culture ultimately further enrich this country with more culture for everyone to celebrate. Finally, the issue from what i can see is illegal immigration, bringing hundreds of thousands of people who hate our country, culture and are offended by our Christian traditions seems illogical when they are fleeing from the democratic country of France (france doesnt give them benefits) to come here to benefit from tax payers and are costing £8,000,000 a day in hotel expenses when we already have enough problems here at home like the NHS being underfunded and understaffed, lack of infrastructure or the state of our public services, the cost of living and inflation to name a few. Its criminal.
Interesting, and I can definitely see your point. I could never understand Western politics about allowing people who openly hate you in. Why would anyone do that...
@NonNativeEntrepreneur Despite me personally having no issues with any religion, I think whats happening with migration is by design, 90% of the illegals coming here are muslims and in many city's like London and Birmingham Christianity is already under attack. I think it's one of 2 things, UN army or WEF army.
British migrants to Spain call them selves ex-patriots. They don't even identify as immigrants to Spain. for the most part, they don't seem to integrate, make very little effort to learn Spanish..... There is both good and bad. however, from my experience the good overrides the bad regarding migration to the UK. I work in construction, and we now have a huge shortage of skilled labour since many highly skilled people - Polish in particular have returned to Poland. Its not an easy subject and viable solutions are even trickier. Wealth distribution is the main issue I feel.
I agree about good overwriting the bad And it does look like the key is to assimilate. Language, rules, customs, and all what's within norms of the chosen country. Otherwise, we should only visit and make home elsewhere
As immigrant myself I can tell that this whole discourse is completely bonkers. At this point this is simply hysteria with all sorts of lies being told to justify animosity. This mainstream narrative of "mass of low paid unskilled immigrants who live off welfare, are net negative for the economy and can't speak the language" is simply false on all possible levels. The only low-skilled migration, which is legally allowed in the UK is seasonal workers, which do jobs like vegetables picking, which natives won't do anyway. The rest of legal migration is skilled and very well paid, and not allowed to use any benefits, not allowed to change employer easily, automatically go home if they lose job and have to pay massive amounts of money just to be allowed into the country, have to pass English language test on a relatively high level to be allowed in, and have to pass humiliating "Life in the UK" test to stay. And with this level of rampant enmity it's not clear how immigrants can ever really integrate. Only kids and maybe very extraverted people have better chances.
Yes you might be right, I once applied as an employer to be a "sponsor "- to be allowed legally bring people in, we have a huge shortage with healthcare workers. At the end, I didn't do it, but there was a lot required from me and potential immigrants... yet we still have so many people around who simply refuse to be part of the culture.
@@NonNativeEntrepreneur It's not clear what combination of words "British culture" even means at this point. Should I wear a skirt to pass? Should I participate in hooligan riots? Should my wife start telling me that I oppress her because I'm a male? Should I get drunk senseless every Friday in a pub? Leave the people alone. It's none of anyone's business what immigrants' values are as long as they obey the law and respect the rights of others. This is called toleration. I once believed that this is something that had been figured out in Britain during Enlightenment three centuries ago. But apparently we reverted that and now I need to become Christian and start loving horrible food, do I? It is probably not immigrants who could use some integration, but the entitled and hostile part of the native population.
Would you be comfortable if your homeland, Poland (40 mill pop) was to import 100 million peope from Africa and the Middle East in 1 year? Would the Polish just need to “get used to it” and accept this new normal?
Immigration on this scale is untenable. Fortunately we now have data on this subject. An immifrant needs to earn £48k a year to breakeven in their lifetime. The median salary is £36k!!! I am an immigrant and ironically we're leaving because we feel the scale of immigration now is fraying the social contract. You cannot absorb 1m people a year, particularly since the vast majority don't earn £48k a year.
Very interesting point and data
I share your point of view about high prices... everything is extremely expensive and we too are thinking about leaving the UK.
Average immigrants cost the UK tax payer between £150k and £1m over the course of their lifetime.
This is one of the very popular, but blatantly false narratives from people who have little idea how economy works. This statement equates economic value generated by a person to their fiscal contributions, which is obviously false. E.g., if I create mass exported products - I create massive value for the economy. At the same time I can have very modest income because I'm underpaid immigrant. The surplus that is taken from me is someone else's salary, tax paid or cheaper product that British people can enjoy.
The "average" you compare immigrants with also includes top 10 percent who pay over 60% of the UK's income tax. Are you sure you want to compare immigrants, who are one of the most disadvantaged demography against bankers, business owners, top scientists etc? And if you remove this segment you will probably discover that 90% of Brits are on average "net negative" and "cost UK tax payer between X and Y" over the course of their lifetime.
Immigration or not is a false ditochemy. It is about the numbers a country can absorb and what the immigrant contributes to the country he she immigrates to.
Canada, Ireland and Great Britain have gone way overboard on immigration. Its coroding the culture and economy to dust.
😂 non immigrants don't even earn 36k .. I'm British born and bread and I'm barely UpTo 34 .maybe after gaining a masters..
It's difficult because we are not open about what doesn't work
We are opening more about what really needs to be talked about, but it won't fix it, sadly. Things must fall apart first
easy question for immigrants, and for countries too, just totally opposite answers.
I dont think this has to be the way.
That's what Im talking about in the video
Brits need to form a new identity I believe. We typically hold onto visions of past glories but this isn't going to create a better future.
I couldn't agree more. The past is in the past, and things have changed. I like tradition and would hope that Britain can keep theirs, but the more I look around, the more I understand people don't necessarily feel this way... but maybe it's because we feel lost and confused
@@NonNativeEntrepreneur The West in general needs a new identity. It used to be all about Christianity and then modernism rapidly upended the world and we all went secular as science allowed us to explain everything. After WWII "liberal democracy" was our central tenet but now after the fall of the Berlin wall and the collapse of soviet communism, it's not unique to the west anymore. Where do we go from here?
@@thehandlermanquote by Plato: "Dictatorship naturally arises out of democracy, and the most aggravated form of tyranny and slavery out of the most extreme liberty.”
Liberal democracy hasn't done any us any favours.
Also, re-defining what it means to be British seems pretty aggressive, like would you say this about any other group? How would you interpret it say about the Chinese or Somalians? It's a dangerous direction imo.
@Laura7733 i think you're misunderstanding what I was saying. Nation states are usually built on values, mythology, ethnicity etc. Things that bring people together. Britain doesn't really adhere to any of those old stories that held it together so we need new stories, values, visions to unite people towards something again.
Why should they have to? The average Brit never consented to the mass immigration that is destroying their country.
Every house taken, is a house a native that 20, 30, 40 less than 130 years ago was exclusively native. You only have word salad after.
What does that even mean? You want to go back in time 130 years? What's the point of talking about what was 130 years ago
I want to stop the ethnic replacement and cide. Then ~30% world population, today closer to 8%. But everyone else is minority.
There are native Brits living on 100+ acre estates but instead of getting mad at the hoarders you're getting mad at immigrants who you have more in common with than any billionaires or even millionaire. You're mad at the wrong thing and you don't even know it.
Just delete my comment
That doesn't excuse ethnic cleansing
Firstly, this country is England not Britain!
Secondly, Immigration isnt the problem, integrated immigrants that embrace our culture ultimately further enrich this country with more culture for everyone to celebrate.
Finally, the issue from what i can see is illegal immigration, bringing hundreds of thousands of people who hate our country, culture and are offended by our Christian traditions seems illogical when they are fleeing from the democratic country of France (france doesnt give them benefits) to come here to benefit from tax payers and are costing £8,000,000 a day in hotel expenses when we already have enough problems here at home like the NHS being underfunded and understaffed, lack of infrastructure or the state of our public services, the cost of living and inflation to name a few. Its criminal.
Interesting, and I can definitely see your point. I could never understand Western politics about allowing people who openly hate you in. Why would anyone do that...
@NonNativeEntrepreneur Despite me personally having no issues with any religion, I think whats happening with migration is by design, 90% of the illegals coming here are muslims and in many city's like London and Birmingham Christianity is already under attack. I think it's one of 2 things, UN army or WEF army.
British migrants to Spain call them selves ex-patriots. They don't even identify as immigrants to Spain. for the most part, they don't seem to integrate, make very little effort to learn Spanish..... There is both good and bad. however, from my experience the good overrides the bad regarding migration to the UK. I work in construction, and we now have a huge shortage of skilled labour since many highly skilled people - Polish in particular have returned to Poland.
Its not an easy subject and viable solutions are even trickier. Wealth distribution is the main issue I feel.
I agree about good overwriting the bad
And it does look like the key is to assimilate.
Language, rules, customs, and all what's within norms of the chosen country.
Otherwise, we should only visit and make home elsewhere
You backed the wrong horse - you and your children have no future in the UK - the state has declared war on its citizens. I would leave if you can.
Oh, Ive had a good run, definitely not a mistake to come. But the question is what's next, for me and my kids.
As immigrant myself I can tell that this whole discourse is completely bonkers. At this point this is simply hysteria with all sorts of lies being told to justify animosity. This mainstream narrative of "mass of low paid unskilled immigrants who live off welfare, are net negative for the economy and can't speak the language" is simply false on all possible levels. The only low-skilled migration, which is legally allowed in the UK is seasonal workers, which do jobs like vegetables picking, which natives won't do anyway. The rest of legal migration is skilled and very well paid, and not allowed to use any benefits, not allowed to change employer easily, automatically go home if they lose job and have to pay massive amounts of money just to be allowed into the country, have to pass English language test on a relatively high level to be allowed in, and have to pass humiliating "Life in the UK" test to stay. And with this level of rampant enmity it's not clear how immigrants can ever really integrate. Only kids and maybe very extraverted people have better chances.
But tell them it is a class war and they can’t see it. This is worldwide. It is a class war people.
Yes you might be right, I once applied as an employer to be a "sponsor "- to be allowed legally bring people in, we have a huge shortage with healthcare workers. At the end, I didn't do it, but there was a lot required from me and potential immigrants... yet we still have so many people around who simply refuse to be part of the culture.
What classes are fighting here?
@@NonNativeEntrepreneur It's not clear what combination of words "British culture" even means at this point. Should I wear a skirt to pass? Should I participate in hooligan riots? Should my wife start telling me that I oppress her because I'm a male? Should I get drunk senseless every Friday in a pub? Leave the people alone. It's none of anyone's business what immigrants' values are as long as they obey the law and respect the rights of others. This is called toleration. I once believed that this is something that had been figured out in Britain during Enlightenment three centuries ago. But apparently we reverted that and now I need to become Christian and start loving horrible food, do I? It is probably not immigrants who could use some integration, but the entitled and hostile part of the native population.
Would you be comfortable if your homeland, Poland (40 mill pop) was to import 100 million peope from Africa and the Middle East in 1 year? Would the Polish just need to “get used to it” and accept this new normal?
They did let a few million immigrants over the last few years.
Still, I don't think you understood my video, and I dont understand your point.
@ Its all about the numbers my friend, having 1,000 immigrants a year vs 100 million is the issue, not immigration in itself.