I've been looking for a grp for gnomeregan since week 1 as a hunter and never got into the raid yet, always ppl ask for parses (not even my pre bis gear are enough) then with my shaman i guild run and take some pugs (not even look on their parses) and we complete the raid every reset, all the hunter nerfs affected so hard in Phase 2, i remember in bfd phase i always was invited
100% , we where nerfed way to hard in phase 1 and its really screwing us now. I always said instead of nerfing classes buff everyone to that level. Hopefully with the buffs to hunters yesterday we can compete a bit more as ranged.
Yeah unless you find a group early in the phase it’s really hard to find groups during following resets. There’s still a spot in the raid for hunters for sure, due to lion, but it’s very rare that a group would ever bring more than one like they did in BFD.
Seen the new buffs for Steady Shot? 60% -> 75% weapon damage. Worth to switch out and add to the rotation? Could be a full meta change for Ranged hunters?
I’m very minimal on addons when playing classic to have a bit more of that classic feeling. But the one thing I feel is a must on a hunter is a “swing timer.” I personally use a weakaura for it, but there are addons for it too.
@@Riyaniwowthanks for your reply! Yeah, I like to keep it minimal too, with most of the classic interface left. Thats why I was asking about addons, I liked your minimal swing timer, couldn’t find one that wouldn’t be messy myself
Great guide. You only don't mention any of the alliance vs horde differences, which can be crucial. Per example. On horde the wind serpent is much better since not only boomkins can buff it, but also enhance shamans with stormstrike (they stack).
I think that it’s generally a good idea to do so if you’re not super good at managing your pet. What little damage you may lose with pet switching targets is made up for by having your pet actually doing something.
Right now logs using aimed shot are performing the best, but whether or not it’ll turn out being the best even with AP buffs or only outside of Rapid Fire + helm window is not crystal clear.
Hey, so I fall under the list of a Hunter that is outside the melee group. Should I still Run MM or should I go BM? Also thoughts on Lone Wolf, MM? instead of crit as the second hunter?
Yeah, BM is on average better then. When you’re geared up the waazo then MM will be better. Lone Wolf is not a dps gain at the moment, only viable for PvP imo
@@Riyaniwowcheers! I tried it last raid but I need to get a bit uses to it, with BM the rotation seemed more simple as the pet did a lot of dps but Marksman seems a bit more unforgiving as the rotation needs to be timed to not clip your autoshots. I think in my first try I did less damage than with BM despite being almost full BIS now
Theres no reason not to use wizard oil and an arcane elixir for combined 30 spell damage. Add that with the gbomer buff and you get 73 spell damage with no spell items.
this is a really good video!!! - I make hunter content too, im not big at all but this inspired me to make my latest video so gave you a quick shout out in the description, Lemme know if u have any issue w/ that! GL and you'll be top views soon keep it up!
Is this video taking into account about the buffs hunters are getting ? Hunter Chimera Shot damage increased to 120% of weapon damage (was 100%) and Chimera Shot Serpent Sting damage increased to 48% of Serpent Sting damage (was 40%). Explosive Shot base damage done before Attack Power increased by 15%. Carve damage increased to 65% of weapon damage (was 50%).
No it was made before the buff, but it doesn’t change anything more than that we’ll do more damage, and maybe making the spell power hunter a bit more viable. We’re already running chimera shots in all builds.
I like that you points out lion and trueshot aura right off the bat. Because those are the only reason you may get a raid spot. Otherwise the dps is to bad to warrant a spot..
If you have a 2nd hunter going with HOTL, how's Lone Wolf looking in comparison to the MM rune? Seeing alot of top ranks and below running the LW rune and their dmg is extremely good in some scenarios :) Thanks in advance!
Thank you for this. It's nice to see someone still talking about (crazy) a hunter being ranged
Good video! I had to dive into logs to figure out what I can do to optimize my parsing. Your video covered everything I found! Well done
I've been looking for a grp for gnomeregan since week 1 as a hunter and never got into the raid yet, always ppl ask for parses (not even my pre bis gear are enough) then with my shaman i guild run and take some pugs (not even look on their parses) and we complete the raid every reset, all the hunter nerfs affected so hard in Phase 2, i remember in bfd phase i always was invited
100% , we where nerfed way to hard in phase 1 and its really screwing us now. I always said instead of nerfing classes buff everyone to that level. Hopefully with the buffs to hunters yesterday we can compete a bit more as ranged.
Ranged buffs sucks imo
U still below many of other players
But I didn’t miss a single CD from week1 so it is possible to find a griup
Yeah unless you find a group early in the phase it’s really hard to find groups during following resets. There’s still a spot in the raid for hunters for sure, due to lion, but it’s very rare that a group would ever bring more than one like they did in BFD.
@jdog1991fly thats how it is in final fantasy 14, this is why as a new player, im not even gonna try raiding
aint the nerfs fault you are too lazy to find a guild
Nice guide! Just one thing, explosive shot doesn’t proc expose weakness, only white crits from melee and ranged can do that
Seen the new buffs for Steady Shot? 60% -> 75% weapon damage. Worth to switch out and add to the rotation? Could be a full meta change for Ranged hunters?
Steady shot is useless until we get a 3.1 or 3.20 speed weapon. We’re clipping auto shots with steady shot currently.
Still not worth-- even simming less which is assuming perfect play. That being said, haven't tried it in the raid.
Great video. I know you gave the rotation for the BM build. but what is the rotation for the marksman?
It’s the same except we swap aimed shot for arcane shot
Thanks for a nice guide dude! Could you perhaps share what kind of addons are you using?
I’m very minimal on addons when playing classic to have a bit more of that classic feeling. But the one thing I feel is a must on a hunter is a “swing timer.” I personally use a weakaura for it, but there are addons for it too.
@@Riyaniwowthanks for your reply! Yeah, I like to keep it minimal too, with most of the classic interface left. Thats why I was asking about addons, I liked your minimal swing timer, couldn’t find one that wouldn’t be messy myself
@@RiyaniwowThat Weakaura is so clean! Please can I have a link or a name for it! Been looking everywhere for something as clean looking as that!
@@Myrkee1 It's called "Bouk's Hunter Castbar" Found it on wago.io
That Weponswing timer you got, that is cleaaan! Is that a Weakaura? If so please tell me where to get it!
"Bouk's Hunter Castbar"
Great guide. You only don't mention any of the alliance vs horde differences, which can be crucial.
Per example. On horde the wind serpent is much better since not only boomkins can buff it, but also enhance shamans with stormstrike (they stack).
Actually didn’t know they stack (I’m a filthy alliance shill)
@@Riyaniwow Yeah I also at first assumed it was the same debuff when I read about it. But they stack, so it's insane for any nature dmg dps class.
You sure the nature buff damage are stacking?
Should hunters macro /petattack into all abilities or is this a DPS loss since the pet will keep switching between whatever target you are attacking?
I keep it on my hunters mark
I think that it’s generally a good idea to do so if you’re not super good at managing your pet. What little damage you may lose with pet switching targets is made up for by having your pet actually doing something.
So master marksman > lone wolf? im about to do my first gnomer tonight as Marksmen! thank you for all your info.
right now pets do too much dmg for lone wolf to be any good in raids. I expect lone wolf to become better at 60 and maybe even 50.
Yep, what the other guy said
4:40 flashbang
No idea what happened there, mb 😭
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Is the priority in the rotation the same for MM? I doubt we'll use aimed shot while raiding, right?
Right now logs using aimed shot are performing the best, but whether or not it’ll turn out being the best even with AP buffs or only outside of Rapid Fire + helm window is not crystal clear.
Can i pelase have your Auto Shoot Weak Aura? It Looks amazing!
Hi, I’m wondering if as a full marksman hunter it is worth taking a wolf with furious howl vs a cat for personal dmg. What do you think?
Wolf would be for grp dmg, but cat for personal
got the gun last raid, dont know if i should go mm or bm as orc hunter, because of 5% more pet dmg and whats the best rotation for mm specc?
Grats! Same applies as an orc, BM for personal dps, MM for overall raid dps. Rotation is the same but swaps aimed shot for arcane shot.
Hey, so I fall under the list of a Hunter that is outside the melee group. Should I still Run MM or should I go BM? Also thoughts on Lone Wolf, MM? instead of crit as the second hunter?
Yeah, BM is on average better then. When you’re geared up the waazo then MM will be better. Lone Wolf is not a dps gain at the moment, only viable for PvP imo
Copy that. appreciate you. Not super geared but I do have Purp gun. @@Riyaniwow
What's the rotation with MM? Are you not using aimed shot?
Yeah we still used aimed shot in most scenarios. So same rotation, swap arcane shot for aimed shot.
@@Riyaniwowcheers! I tried it last raid but I need to get a bit uses to it, with BM the rotation seemed more simple as the pet did a lot of dps but Marksman seems a bit more unforgiving as the rotation needs to be timed to not clip your autoshots. I think in my first try I did less damage than with BM despite being almost full BIS now
pls do /trinketmenu lock i got eyecancer
Is the hunters mark talent absolutely necessary or can I put those points elsewhere?
No it’s minor- feel free to run extra ranged or w/e you’d like
thanks! yeah id rather have the range for pvp and maybe even scatter shot. Also might dump more into serpent now that they buffing chimera@@Riyaniwow
Theres no reason not to use wizard oil and an arcane elixir for combined 30 spell damage. Add that with the gbomer buff and you get 73 spell damage with no spell items.
Don’t forget oil on offhand ☺️
this is a really good video!!!
- I make hunter content too, im not big at all but this inspired me to make my latest video so gave you a quick shout out in the description, Lemme know if u have any issue w/ that!
GL and you'll be top views soon keep it up!
Thank you for the kind words bud- I follow your content already and definitely have no issues with that ❤
Going to level an alt, I think people still want melee hunter. Tbh I want melee like retail.
Rotation??? hello??
Maybe if you asked nicer you’d get an answer, you sound demanding plus it’s in the comments if you’d bothered to peruse it
Is this video taking into account about the buffs hunters are getting ?
Hunter
Chimera Shot damage increased to 120% of weapon damage (was 100%) and Chimera Shot Serpent Sting damage increased to 48% of Serpent Sting damage (was 40%).
Explosive Shot base damage done before Attack Power increased by 15%.
Carve damage increased to 65% of weapon damage (was 50%).
No it was made before the buff, but it doesn’t change anything more than that we’ll do more damage, and maybe making the spell power hunter a bit more viable.
We’re already running chimera shots in all builds.
I like that you points out lion and trueshot aura right off the bat. Because those are the only reason you may get a raid spot. Otherwise the dps is to bad to warrant a spot..
how dare you to not believe in lone wolf mm hunter dream!
I believe in it!! (for pvp)
the BM build goes 41 points deep in a 31 point tree LMAO
Math ain’t mathin’
@@Riyaniwow :)
Competitive damage my azz 5 runs got 1 item GG drop rate
this build gonna be insane when they buff explosive and chimera next week
It’s not a huge buff, but I think the buff is kinda insane for pvp. Lone wolf + chimera already crits for 1k+
@@Riyaniwow yea was hit in STV by 910 chimaera today (without sting)
If you have a 2nd hunter going with HOTL, how's Lone Wolf looking in comparison to the MM rune? Seeing alot of top ranks and below running the LW rune and their dmg is extremely good in some scenarios :) Thanks in advance!
Yeah after the buff Lone Wolf comes out a head if you’re geared.