I was seriously interested in both jacket and pants. But ordering from Sweden would set me back an ADDITIONAL $500 in various fees! 😳😱 So…. Back to local stores then…
I have the ARC battle born, used it a lot, velcro on neck wore out, still have it. Then moved to KLIM Dakar, love it but using light weight rain gear over it when needed. I just used your link and ordered MSR explorer jacket, pants, base layers. Thanks
Hi Dork, thanks for the review and sharing your opinion with us! I really appreciate the POV from a larger person like myself. How does this compare to Alpinestars Halo jacket? I believe you had that as well in a past video?
I just received my MSR jacket and pants and immediately did the snow angel test. Dork is true to his word. Thank you sir. I bought these solely on your recommendation alone without any other research. After this you have my complete devotion. All hail the great internet riding buddy. 😂😂
After much research and finding your video, I bought the MSR ADV set. Just did the first 1200 mile ride with it, and while I'm too busy to do a reply video to your review right now, here are my comments: 1. Overall VERY satisfied with performance and build quality and water-resistance (but we only had one day of rain). 2. While the built-in CamelBak pouch is one of my favorite features, the loop on the front right chest only is limiting - I really prefer my drink tube on the left chest. 3. The forearm zippers/vents with their associated internal waterproof structure REALLY dig into my inner elbows when my arms are bent for things like fastening my helmet strap, to the point of bruises. NOT AT ALL a problem while in a riding posture - only when bending my arms tighter than about 90 degrees. 4. Definitely buying some clip-on suspenders. The lack of a rear jacket-to-pants zipper is a downside, and only when tightening the pants beyond the point of comfort would they stay up when not on the bike. Again, no issue when riding my DL650 V-Strom; only an issue when off the bike. 5. Pocket options are kind of limited, but I'm used to the one-piece Aerostich suit I've had since the early 2000s. 6. Jacket vents are surprisingly effective (so long as you open the shoulderblade vents as well). Pant vents do a little, but not as much as I wanted. I would prefer some outside calf vents that allow air in and up across the groin. Many thanks for your detailed review, and judging from the comments on MSR's site, a lot of us found your review pivotal to our purchase decision. EDIT/Addendum: Other comments have mentioned how the left sleeve change/ID pocket was on the original Aerostich - they're right, and it's a GREAT feature. I still use the Velcro clear map pocket for the left sleeve on my Aerostich, and want to figure out how to add that to the MSR.
Your comments about the Pant's venting is exactly what I suspected...I have been very much wanting to buy the pants, but the venting scheme seems inadequate/ineffective especially because the ones that the pant does have do not appear to stay open for effective in/outflow.
EDIT: After some consideration I decided to take advantage of RMATV’s size exchange and to my benefit it looks like the large size jacket will be a good fit for me after all. Indeed I’ll ave the waist adjusters taken all the way in, and I’ll have room for a pressure suit and/or some layers. I’m looking forward to putting some miles on! I already see a few modifications to make to help ventilation in the hot times. As for the elbows: having the longer sleeves did help a bit, and having any kind of long sleeve shirt under the jacket helps a lot. Dang I was excited about this suit, but it just arrived and unfortunately for me it is a no-go. I'm 6'2" and 180 lbs, (so tall-ish and thin), and the reports that the MSR is more "American" cut while the Klim is more "Euro" cut seems to be true. The jacket: The Klim medium size jackets fit me like a glove with perfect sleeve length and a trim-yet-comfy fit, and the MSR medium only sits right around the middle with the waist adjusters tightened while the sleeves are significantly too short in the medium. If I moved up to a large I'm sure I'd be swimming in the torso area, and would provably even need the XL size to get the sleeve length right which I would DEFINITELY be lost inside. If it existed a Medium-TALL jacket might work better, but sadly it does not. So for you thicker dudes the MSR might indeed be a winner, but for me I'll have to keep searching for a budget-friendly new suit. Also: the elbow bend issue many have noticed on the MSR: it is AWFUL! From the reviews I was like "how bad can it really be?", but it is actually painful to wear, and would be annoying as hell and very distracting on the bike. And I AM willing to sacrifice some comfort for good protection, but this level of discomfort would be a potential hazard. The wrist zipper and superfabric and elbow armor adjuster all come together right on top where the elbow bends and I almost couldn't wait to get the jacket off. If the sleeve length was correct on me this issue might be lessened (because that area might be moved down the forearm and inch or two), FWIW... I got the MSR 34 TALL pants and the fit was pretty good, length was good, a little bit longer than jeans (normally I wear 33W34L pants/jeans). They also felt pretty baggy so the armor would likely swim around, but again: for you thicker dudes it might work out great. I hadn't seen anyone talking about it from a tall/thin guy perspective, so here it is. Thanks for the review Dork! I really wanted this suit to work, darn.
Appreciate the openness of what they give you and what they pay or don't pay you. Sucks to find out someone got paid to push something and they when the deal runs out they don't use the product any more. I really feel like you are being as honest as you can be with us and it's appreciated. Definitely looks like good quality gear.
Lets be real, we all layer now. It's the way to go. I have been looking for a great outer 'shell' for relatively reasonable money. Most of the big brands are out due to money and a bunch of stuff I don't need, want. I don't want a thermal layer, I've got 5 of them. I don't want a rain liner...got a few of those too now. I don't need more armor...I've got a few sets sitting on my shelf. I DO need a solid, well made and durable outer shell for my adventure riding I plan to do early 2025. this might be the gear.
Just bought the jacket and I love it. I’m coming from Olympia gear and this gear fits me better. The KLIM and Olympia gear did not fit my short fat neck. The tall collars rub on the bottom of my helmet restricting movement. After watching your first video and your answer to my question I pulled the trigger. Glad I did it is great. Thanks Ben for the gear reviews. I feel your opinion is spot on.
@@scottfhscottfh I am 5' 10" 210 lbs. I have a 47" chest. My Olympia Ranger jacket is an XL and a little tight in the mid section. I have a some gut but not huge. The XL MSR has more room in the mid section and a little more in the chest. I was able to add a couple of layers under the jacket this weekend on my ride to Joshua Tree. My Olympia is to tight for anything more than a thin fleece under layer. Hope that helps
So freaking awesome your reviews are so good very well thought out and makes folks like myself who are bigger inspired 👍I'd like to see the side by side compared. Thanks again brother 👊 keep up the great work
I actually like that when RMATV acquires a company, they keep the name. I like Tusk and MSR. I think it would be cheesy if they just lapped Rocky Mountain ATV on all the gear.
I've owned an MSR Explorer jacket (when it was Malcolm Smith Racing) for around five years and couldn't agree more with your assessment of the quality and the comfort this jacket provides. The D3O armor and rugged fabrics give me a sense of security I don't have with other jackets. It is heavy though (6.8 lbs.) and I don't like bothering with with the numerous vents to optimize temperature control so, on warmer days, I will usually chose to wear my FirstGear TPG Technical jacket which (4.4 lbs.) also has D3O armor and an added benefit of High Viz green color.
Thanks Dork for this review. I’ve done my research and this jacket looks legit. I ordered one just a few days ago from RMADV can’t wait till it gets here.
Welp, I completed the PA Wilds BDR-x. Wore the ADV jacket and gloves, both performed as I hoped. The jacket is wonderful, rode in torrential rain and snow, and I didn’t get wet, although the button pockets on the side will get wet eventually. I laid the bike down twice, no tears or damage to the jacket. I’m very happy with the jacket. The gloves are phenomenal for the price point. If you can find a better value for $50, please send me a link, as I’ll buy those gloves too. I took a pair of the adv gloves and my pair of KLim Klimate gloves and the tips of my fingers got cold after two hours of riding in the low 40’s with intermittent rain while wearing the Klim gloves. The Klim gloves were $100 and didn’t do as well as I was hoping. My only complaint with the MSR gloves, is getting them on if your hands are sweaty. The liners in the fingers tend to bunch up so you have to pull each individual finger up when taking them off if you want to get them back on your hands quickly. Very happy with the MSR gear.
Tempting but I think I'll wait it out for a version 2. Needs jacket and pants connection Needs some internal elastic straps from bottom of hydration pocket to over the shoulders like a backpack strap to support the pocket. With a full bladder in there the weight pulls the jacket back and down exposing the neck, I do want the pocket to remain external. Also and this goes for all adv wear manufacturers, adv riders aren't wearing motocross neck protection stop making these open neck jackets. I want a higher closer fitting collar. Do these have suspender buttons? They should. The lack of wind protection should be addressed, you can't be 4 season jacket if 3 of 4 seasons you will be cold, even with a midlayer. There are vents for a reason in warmer times. More and better pockets, another pocket on upper right chest, and some nice napoleon pockets just inside. Love the price,love the colorways add a sage brown/green tooplz, and love the style, reminds me of klims original adventure rally jacket.
I saw an ad for this gear the other day and was wondering about it(I need new pants) . I'm buying the pants because of this video. Keep up the good work!
Awesome video. I just bought the Klim Dakar jacket today for summer riding and I love it so far, but I wasn't looking forward to the winter gear price tag. This is probably what I'll be going for because of this review. Also, I met you at Rays in Sisters a few months ago. 😆 Glad you made it home safe brother!
I purchased this kit based on your snow ride review with your link. I am in agreement that this kit is great. Really great. I also agree on the not so good points. The for arm vent zipper is too long it digs into the bend of my arm. The neck opening, designed for a gorilla neck. I’ll call have to wear a gater to fill in the gap on the cold days here in lane county. I got the size I usually wear (32) in the pants and large in jacket. I need to send them back for larger because in the winter I wear a base layer to stay warm. Too tight of a fit. Also I wish RM would have designed in a more roomy seat. I’m a thin guy and the back of the pants pull way down when I’m sitting. But, all that said I can’t wait to get it back in a larger size. Its great stuff.
Just picked up the Sedici Avventura jacket and pants for my first adv set. So far I'm very happy with them both and they're very reasonable. So far I'm happy I went with one the cheaper options. Keep up the great work.
@@DorkintheRoad I haven't ridden in much rain yet and I try to avoid it but I have a separate rain suit for it that works very well. I didn't plan on relying on this suit solely.
I am pretty sure that is the jacket I have as well and I am very happy with it so far. I have not been caught in a torrential downpour yet, I do have rain gear as well. The Sedici isn't Gortex etc. Price reflects that.
OK, just received a set of gear , here's MY first impressions on FIT only, (have not used it on a ride yet): I'm 5"11 or so, and 245 lbs , maybe 47/48 size in chest Typical motorcycle gear I would need to get an XXL or higher in order to fit me (think RevIt brand) , the XL jacket size is a PERFECT fit for me. Also, I would wear a pant size typically of 38/40 length x 30 inseam.. the size 38 MSR pant fits VERY well, and i swear feels almost tailored to fit me . Both still fit with base and midlayers underneath. The pants I could see getting a bit too tight IF i put on a few extra lbs, but the range of motion on these things is EXCELLENT! I do feel that tightness in the elbows a bit, BUT its not that noticeable for me, and honestly, if someone else hadn't pointed it out, i might not have even noticed it.. The material feels very tough, and that superfabric feels bulletproof... Those are my initial impressions on fit ONLY, not usage.. They seem like gear that will last me a LONG time, BUT time will tell The one question I have regarding the eVent fabric, is they say to 'wash it often' .. what is often? once a month, after every ride, twice a year? I'd be curious to find that out , otherwise by far, hands down, the burliest riding gear I've ever owned..
I completely agree about all the zip in liner options. I've purchased so many jackets and pants and I immediately remove all the liners and stow them in the closet never to be used. What a wSte
Appreciate the review & comparison! I've come from my sport oriented riding with my gear choices in the past but now getting further into dual sport & sport touring. These may very well be my next gear purchases.
Thanks for the honest review Dork in the Road ....the lack of zipper attachment between jacket and pant on the MSR is the deal breaker....looking at the REV'IT! Sand 4 H2O Jacket and pants...a bit more spendy but looks like a better design...
Me: shopping the MSR ADV gear..."I wonder if Dork has his review up on UA-cam for this gear yet..." ...checks the channel..."MSR video posted 3 hours ago" Me: "BOOM!!"
The wife got me a set in grey for my BDay and this stuff is awesome! I wouldn't be surprised if the price increases in the future. I found the sizing to be right on point. I saw a few loose stands but nothing excessive at all. I would like to see an option to zip the jacket to pants but no big deal. There is a bit of a pinch on the crease of the arm but PLEASE dont let that stop you because this is EXCELLENT gear for the price and even if it were more expensive!
Having slid a couple hundred feet down the asphalt on my back with my trusty KLR sliding on her side right beside me showering sparks…I was mighty glad that my Klim jacket was firmly zippered to my pants
Well, I'm sold. Once the snow melts I'll be getting a set of these. I'm really digging the blue and orange, that orange really pops without looking silly.
That ID pocket on the left arm was stolen from AeroStitch originally so I guess it’s fair game these days. Thanks for an in-depth look at the MSR gear. 👍 I’m still planning to buy it through your link. I’m trying to drop some weight before making the purchase. Made a few lifestyle changes after retiring.
This looks great! I talked myself into a Knox Urbane Pro mesh motorcycle shirt recently. I loved the idea of the protective garment as the base layer with the armor worn over a thin polyester shirt and any insulation or waterproofing layered over that. Knox is a European brand and I'm an American so I bought a much larger size than the fit chart stated, to make sure it wasn't too small. It was too small. I have long but thin arms, and it was like a straight jacket. I had to fight a claustrophobic feeling as I tried to remove the jacket and the sleeves constricted on my arms like Chinese finger cuffs. The return shipping to the Netherlands was $65, which is a lot to pay to try on a jacket that I ultimately didn't want, so I appreciate Rocky Mountain offering one free return shipping on clothing purchases. When considering the weight, remember that the jacket and pants are waterproof so you don't need the weight or bulk of packing a rain suit. I like the added breathability compared to Gore-Tex. I mostly ride in warm weather where breathability is a good thing (in addition to the large vents) and I can wear a very thin windproof shell under the jacket if I want to be warmer... or I can wear my ultralight heated vest under the jacket.
I'm European, I take a large in Klim or xl in most Alpinestar or Revitt kit, but had to go XXL in the Urbane at 6 foot tall and 200 lbs [ get me doing US measurements] with a broad back 46" chest and a 34" waist so a pretty odd shape. I like the Urbane but even in xxl it kind of still digs into my back.
@@TheIdlesurfer - I loved the concept of the Knox Urbane Pro. Too bad it didn't work for me. Maybe if someone made the same tight fitting garment with sleeve zips as well as a front zip so it's loose when putting it on and taking it off. It's odd that there is American and European sizing. There's no significant genetic difference. Americans are just a lot fatter based on our bad lifestyle choices. That's embarrassing.
The gear looks good. But not sure you can compare this to what the battleborn was. I paid $185 for my battleborn jacket, and over 4 years later, it's still holding up perfectly - I like it even more than another Klim jacket I have. I don't think you can ask people trying out the sport, or just getting started to shell out $400 on a jacket. It's probably a great jacket for the price, and likely much better than the arc, it just doesn't represent the same value
Just bought a pair of pants only. Considering returning them without riding in them because of the gusseted fly. To take a pee one would have to undo the buckle, unzip the fly, then pull the pant down four to five inches to relieve yourself. Frankly, the function of the gusset escapes me. In rain it would collect water because the gusset forms a pocket inside the zipper. Thinking about having the pant altered by cutting the gusset then hemming the edges to keep the cut from fraying.
Nice review, the MSR stuff looks like some good riding gear. its nice to know the sizes fit normal, since some other brands set all of their sizes to only fit "lighter" riders. I have the Alpinestar Andes v3 jacket, for the price it is great for commuting and adventuring. now i need a good pair of pants to go with it.
Great review my friend. Through the years I have done the hodge-podge accumulating good gear that worked for me at budget prices due to circumstance.I have been riding back country for a tad over 50 years now- back when work boots/helmet/leather jacket and gloves was what there was unless racing. Through the years I have tried and added nearly every brand of something to my riding. I do not have Klim only because of the expense AND I have found hot/wet/cold gear that piece for piece and what I do to it (silicon spray, etc) that I have a large closet of specific gear for summer/WET/winter riding and other for nicer days/more road trip stuff/ride-hike-walk days, etc. It CAN mean from Bilt gloves, Leatt or LS2 helmet, EVS protective gear,Alpine Stars, TCX or Fly boots. And quite a few others. I got them on sale after checking reviews so was able to get pretty darn good gear for riding back in the mountains as a BDR Ambassador and a gear sponsored rider for EVS Sports protective gear with a wide range of gear yet always really good protection no matter the price point. I was a cop, raised five kids and still rode. That did not leave much money for gear but it IS available- maybe last years model- but it works. There is nothing wrong with getting what you can afford but should never feel like decent equipment is not out there at decent prices to put into gas and your trip.
Oh man the best part of the vids your snowman making!! ha ha ha that sold me right there! Great vid and I will get the top jacket and ride with different pants. I do not like to match my top with bottom. Anyhow love the vid showing yourself actually use the gear in falling snow and icy roads, cold wet climate! Thank you so much!
They almost knocked it out of the park with this gear. It's a shame they didn't go level 2 with the armor and at least include pockets for chest Armor. So it's more of a really good shell to pair with an armored level 2 shirt.
Badass. Thanks for the review, I’ll be looking into this for my next set! I’m based in Baker City and ride the same places you so pretty often so it’s a very valid review for me!
You are the man Ben.... Your recent intention and effort is definitely noticed and appreciated. Thank you, Oh and I like your channel better that Ian's 😂😂
3do level 1 is one big difference to mention one, klim is level 2 for the real deal.? Which you should always pick (higher level is better protection) and that will cost extra money
I saw this gear show up on RMATV a while back and it definitely looked good. Had I not recently gotten the Carlsbad, for a price that highly annoyed me for what it is, I would have jumped on this MSR adv gear. All of the MSR gear I already have is excellent. The velcro on my Olympia pants cuff works more than well enough. But i hem my pants to fit properly. Appreciate your review! Nice snow angels! 😂 And thank you Rocky Mountain for all the great stuff.
Excellent review as always! People should not underestimate the mid-tier (or even budget) options when it comes to apparel. It's often surprisingly good (just stick to reputable MFR's, obviously-fake gear is no bueno). I've been rocking a (relatively) cheap Sedici suit (CycleGear house brand) for the last three years and it's served me quite well in the mild-to-hot climates where I ride. I originally bought it as an emergency stopgap when the main zipper on my Aerostich broke right before a trip, but ended up liking it so much that it's become my primary suit. However, it's starting to show some wear and I'm planning a weeklong ride in Iceland. So I think it's time to upgrade to something more capable (especially more waterproof). I really didn't feel like spending a grand or more on Klim or Rev'It-good to know there is an option that basically splits the difference in price between those and what I have now, but is closer to the "top-drawer" stuff in quality! I agree that the lack of a connecting zipper is a bummer, and potentially a small hit to safety as well. Isn't the main purpose of that to prevent the jacket from riding up if you end up sliding feet-first on your back? I'm sure I've been told that...
Here’s the question how does this suit do in the summer? Am I going to roast to death? I’m having a helluva time finding quality hot summer weather gear…
I wish they would restock soon on sizes for thicc bois like me. Looking for my first set of ADV riding gear after 10 years of riding and this seems to really be the best bang for the buck outside of buying used gear on ADV Riders Flea Market
I love a deal, Klim is never on sale it doesn’t need to be I have the badlands pro and Baja s4 suits the best gear I have ever owned…..but this is what I’ll be buying for my sons as they are starting on their own ADV riding careers RMATVMC is my go to for parts and luggage. Now it will be where I go for apparel . Thanks for a great review.
Hi Sir, I've been using the Aerostich Darin standard pants for 10 years, on my second pair about 3 years ago at $350 and custom fit to my 30' inseam and fat boy waist has worked well for me. I'm currently using the A.R.C. jacket thank you for your content.
I swear by a light wool outdoors shirt for my mid layer. The kind you get from say Fillson, Pendelton or another 100% wool woven or felted shirt. It breaths & is warm as long as you have a solid wind break. Sometimes the wind can cut through the zipper if you don't have good mid line coverage. On that note I really want a good off centerline riding jacket. Like the OG bomber style leather jacket or the newer Captain America offset jacket where the zipper or w/e closure is on one side of the chest.
Timely review for me. I am actively looking at waterproof gear for my Alaska trip this summer. I currently have Tourmaster trek alpine gear, it’s nice but not waterproof. They do have a WP suit that is comparable in price to this MSR gear. I will check it out.
MSR Malcom Smith Racing has been around forever! Wore MSR off-road MX racing and their enduro jackets that could be taken off and worn like a fanny pack. Wouldn’t hesitate to buy anything from MSR.
This has been a great review of the gear. After checking the website, it appears that the pants do not come in "Short" leg lengths. This is dissapointing and I think that they will miss a large part of the market without that option. There are a lot of us riders out there with a large middle age waist and shorter legs.
Thanks for the review. Very good. Definitely considering this, and I'll use your links, so you get some $$. I was turned off by the comment of going to try on Klim gear to see proper fitment. I think it is unethical to use the brick and mortar stores for fitment knowing you will not be purchasing from them. Business owners have invested thousands in their locations and inventory. Let's not use them, but support them.
Just pulled the trigger on a set of these. I’m a tall guy but all upper body, 30” inseam, so I’m curious to see how they’re going to fit. Another great review Ben. Keep ‘em coming. 👊🏽🍺
@@spaztech I wear a 4xl klim jacket and I guess I got real lucky finding that one. In a t-shirt size I wear a 3XLT. I do want to find a better jacket than the klim induction because that’s only good for warm weather riding.
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I was seriously interested in both jacket and pants. But ordering from Sweden would set me back an ADDITIONAL $500 in various fees! 😳😱
So…. Back to local stores then…
I have the ARC battle born, used it a lot, velcro on neck wore out, still have it. Then moved to KLIM Dakar, love it but using light weight rain gear over it when needed. I just used your link and ordered MSR explorer jacket, pants, base layers. Thanks
The pants only go to a 42" waist; apparently, you aren't that "fat" then.
Hi Dork, thanks for the review and sharing your opinion with us! I really appreciate the POV from a larger person like myself. How does this compare to Alpinestars Halo jacket? I believe you had that as well in a past video?
Out of stock...all colors
The simplest answer to why this gear is so much cheaper is that the Klim stuff is massively over-priced and should be way cheaper than it is
The R&D and materials that go into KLIM are second to none.
@@redrideradventuresKeep buying that overpriced gear 👍🏻
@@guccipucci69420 agree with u on that..
I just received my MSR jacket and pants and immediately did the snow angel test. Dork is true to his word. Thank you sir. I bought these solely on your recommendation alone without any other research. After this you have my complete devotion. All hail the great internet riding buddy. 😂😂
I'm happy to hear you like the gear!
After much research and finding your video, I bought the MSR ADV set. Just did the first 1200 mile ride with it, and while I'm too busy to do a reply video to your review right now, here are my comments:
1. Overall VERY satisfied with performance and build quality and water-resistance (but we only had one day of rain).
2. While the built-in CamelBak pouch is one of my favorite features, the loop on the front right chest only is limiting - I really prefer my drink tube on the left chest.
3. The forearm zippers/vents with their associated internal waterproof structure REALLY dig into my inner elbows when my arms are bent for things like fastening my helmet strap, to the point of bruises. NOT AT ALL a problem while in a riding posture - only when bending my arms tighter than about 90 degrees.
4. Definitely buying some clip-on suspenders. The lack of a rear jacket-to-pants zipper is a downside, and only when tightening the pants beyond the point of comfort would they stay up when not on the bike. Again, no issue when riding my DL650 V-Strom; only an issue when off the bike.
5. Pocket options are kind of limited, but I'm used to the one-piece Aerostich suit I've had since the early 2000s.
6. Jacket vents are surprisingly effective (so long as you open the shoulderblade vents as well). Pant vents do a little, but not as much as I wanted. I would prefer some outside calf vents that allow air in and up across the groin.
Many thanks for your detailed review, and judging from the comments on MSR's site, a lot of us found your review pivotal to our purchase decision.
EDIT/Addendum:
Other comments have mentioned how the left sleeve change/ID pocket was on the original Aerostich - they're right, and it's a GREAT feature. I still use the Velcro clear map pocket for the left sleeve on my Aerostich, and want to figure out how to add that to the MSR.
Your comments about the Pant's venting is exactly what I suspected...I have been very much wanting to buy the pants, but the venting scheme seems inadequate/ineffective especially because the ones that the pant does have do not appear to stay open for effective in/outflow.
Been wanting proper gear for a while, this looks good! More gear reviews please 🙏 😀
EDIT: After some consideration I decided to take advantage of RMATV’s size exchange and to my benefit it looks like the large size jacket will be a good fit for me after all. Indeed I’ll ave the waist adjusters taken all the way in, and I’ll have room for a pressure suit and/or some layers. I’m looking forward to putting some miles on! I already see a few modifications to make to help ventilation in the hot times. As for the elbows: having the longer sleeves did help a bit, and having any kind of long sleeve shirt under the jacket helps a lot.
Dang I was excited about this suit, but it just arrived and unfortunately for me it is a no-go. I'm 6'2" and 180 lbs, (so tall-ish and thin), and the reports that the MSR is more "American" cut while the Klim is more "Euro" cut seems to be true.
The jacket: The Klim medium size jackets fit me like a glove with perfect sleeve length and a trim-yet-comfy fit, and the MSR medium only sits right around the middle with the waist adjusters tightened while the sleeves are significantly too short in the medium. If I moved up to a large I'm sure I'd be swimming in the torso area, and would provably even need the XL size to get the sleeve length right which I would DEFINITELY be lost inside. If it existed a Medium-TALL jacket might work better, but sadly it does not. So for you thicker dudes the MSR might indeed be a winner, but for me I'll have to keep searching for a budget-friendly new suit. Also: the elbow bend issue many have noticed on the MSR: it is AWFUL! From the reviews I was like "how bad can it really be?", but it is actually painful to wear, and would be annoying as hell and very distracting on the bike. And I AM willing to sacrifice some comfort for good protection, but this level of discomfort would be a potential hazard. The wrist zipper and superfabric and elbow armor adjuster all come together right on top where the elbow bends and I almost couldn't wait to get the jacket off. If the sleeve length was correct on me this issue might be lessened (because that area might be moved down the forearm and inch or two), FWIW...
I got the MSR 34 TALL pants and the fit was pretty good, length was good, a little bit longer than jeans (normally I wear 33W34L pants/jeans). They also felt pretty baggy so the armor would likely swim around, but again: for you thicker dudes it might work out great.
I hadn't seen anyone talking about it from a tall/thin guy perspective, so here it is. Thanks for the review Dork! I really wanted this suit to work, darn.
Thanks for this feedback. You saved me the headache
Appreciate the openness of what they give you and what they pay or don't pay you. Sucks to find out someone got paid to push something and they when the deal runs out they don't use the product any more. I really feel like you are being as honest as you can be with us and it's appreciated. Definitely looks like good quality gear.
This is definitely making me rethink a few recent gear purchases!
Rocky mountain atv is my go-to company now. They have slowly but steadily inched out revzilla over the last 5ish years
Lets be real, we all layer now. It's the way to go. I have been looking for a great outer 'shell' for relatively reasonable money. Most of the big brands are out due to money and a bunch of stuff I don't need, want. I don't want a thermal layer, I've got 5 of them. I don't want a rain liner...got a few of those too now. I don't need more armor...I've got a few sets sitting on my shelf. I DO need a solid, well made and durable outer shell for my adventure riding I plan to do early 2025.
this might be the gear.
Bro!! You have the awesomest videos!! Sound advice, zero ego and gatekeeping… I’m hooked!!
"Feels good in the hand" All complete reviews need this phrase.
As someone in the market soon for a set of gear, thank you! I'm a bigger guy and I believe you have sold me on this.
I really value your reviews. I have purchased several items as per your positive reports. Thank you for your efforts and time.
can't wait for the next ADV 101 video! I'm currently in the works of purchasing a KLR and am finding all your videos suuuper helpful!
I like it!
Not just the gear but the singing at the end as well 😂
If only he looked like Shania!
@@ParallelCamper 🤣👍🏻
Just bought the jacket and I love it. I’m coming from Olympia gear and this gear fits me better. The KLIM and Olympia gear did not fit my short fat neck. The tall collars rub on the bottom of my helmet restricting movement. After watching your first video and your answer to my question I pulled the trigger. Glad I did it is great. Thanks Ben for the gear reviews. I feel your opinion is spot on.
I've also been looking for an upgrade to my ancient Olympia gear, this looks like exactly what I need for commuting in the pnw lol.
Does the jacket fit larger than the Olympia gear? Could you give me an example of what size you wear and the fitment please?
@@scottfhscottfh I am 5' 10" 210 lbs. I have a 47" chest. My Olympia Ranger jacket is an XL and a little tight in the mid section. I have a some gut but not huge. The XL MSR has more room in the mid section and a little more in the chest. I was able to add a couple of layers under the jacket this weekend on my ride to Joshua Tree. My Olympia is to tight for anything more than a thin fleece under layer. Hope that helps
@@kevinsterner9490 ohhhh that's good info. My xl Olympia fit exactly the same on me.
So freaking awesome your reviews are so good very well thought out and makes folks like myself who are bigger inspired 👍I'd like to see the side by side compared. Thanks again brother 👊 keep up the great work
I actually like that when RMATV acquires a company, they keep the name. I like Tusk and MSR. I think it would be cheesy if they just lapped Rocky Mountain ATV on all the gear.
Agreed. 👍🏻
I just wish they'd disclose it.
I've owned an MSR Explorer jacket (when it was Malcolm Smith Racing) for around five years and couldn't agree more with your assessment of the quality and the comfort this jacket provides. The D3O armor and rugged fabrics give me a sense of security I don't have with other jackets. It is heavy though (6.8 lbs.) and I don't like bothering with with the numerous vents to optimize temperature control so, on warmer days, I will usually chose to wear my FirstGear TPG Technical jacket which (4.4 lbs.) also has D3O armor and an added benefit of High Viz green color.
Bought this equipment on your review! Spot on fits great , versatile in all conditions. Love it
The best part is that you were not kidding about the snow angel lol. I was actually looking for a new jacket come this riding season. Perfect timing!
it's the ultimatre test!
Please do the comparison video with Klim and this MSR gear! Thanks. Great video!
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Thanks Dork for this review. I’ve done my research and this jacket looks legit. I ordered one just a few days ago from RMADV can’t wait till it gets here.
Welp, I completed the PA Wilds BDR-x. Wore the ADV jacket and gloves, both performed as I hoped. The jacket is wonderful, rode in torrential rain and snow, and I didn’t get wet, although the button pockets on the side will get wet eventually. I laid the bike down twice, no tears or damage to the jacket. I’m very happy with the jacket.
The gloves are phenomenal for the price point. If you can find a better value for $50, please send me a link, as I’ll buy those gloves too. I took a pair of the adv gloves and my pair of KLim Klimate gloves and the tips of my fingers got cold after two hours of riding in the low 40’s with intermittent rain while wearing the Klim gloves. The Klim gloves were $100 and didn’t do as well as I was hoping. My only complaint with the MSR gloves, is getting them on if your hands are sweaty. The liners in the fingers tend to bunch up so you have to pull each individual finger up when taking them off if you want to get them back on your hands quickly. Very happy with the MSR gear.
Did you happen to use the MSR xplorer pants too; if so, thoughts 🤔 - ventilation?
Man, the principal's office? Men amongst boys, boys amongst men... but that's the Dork's charm. I really enjoy the videos.
I busted a gut with your principals office analogy. Great video Ben. Keep up the great work. Cheers from Texas.
Tempting but I think I'll wait it out for a version 2.
Needs jacket and pants connection
Needs some internal elastic straps from bottom of hydration pocket to over the shoulders like a backpack strap to support the pocket. With a full bladder in there the weight pulls the jacket back and down exposing the neck, I do want the pocket to remain external.
Also and this goes for all adv wear manufacturers, adv riders aren't wearing motocross neck protection stop making these open neck jackets. I want a higher closer fitting collar.
Do these have suspender buttons? They should.
The lack of wind protection should be addressed, you can't be 4 season jacket if 3 of 4 seasons you will be cold, even with a midlayer. There are vents for a reason in warmer times.
More and better pockets, another pocket on upper right chest, and some nice napoleon pockets just inside.
Love the price,love the colorways add a sage brown/green tooplz, and love the style, reminds me of klims original adventure rally jacket.
I saw an ad for this gear the other day and was wondering about it(I need new pants) . I'm buying the pants because of this video. Keep up the good work!
Just got mine through your site here. Thanks for helping me make a decision. Appreciate you!!
Awesome video. I just bought the Klim Dakar jacket today for summer riding and I love it so far, but I wasn't looking forward to the winter gear price tag. This is probably what I'll be going for because of this review. Also, I met you at Rays in Sisters a few months ago. 😆 Glad you made it home safe brother!
Suspender gang! Thanks for the good content
I purchased this kit based on your snow ride review with your link. I am in agreement that this kit is great. Really great. I also agree on the not so good points. The for arm vent zipper is too long it digs into the bend of my arm. The neck opening, designed for a gorilla neck. I’ll call have to wear a gater to fill in the gap on the cold days here in lane county.
I got the size I usually wear (32) in the pants and large in jacket. I need to send them back for larger because in the winter I wear a base layer to stay warm. Too tight of a fit. Also I wish RM would have designed in a more roomy seat. I’m a thin guy and the back of the pants pull way down when I’m sitting. But, all that said I can’t wait to get it back in a larger size. Its great stuff.
Just picked up the Sedici Avventura jacket and pants for my first adv set. So far I'm very happy with them both and they're very reasonable. So far I'm happy I went with one the cheaper options. Keep up the great work.
I bought those recently too and got absolutely soaked on a rainy ride. I hope you have better luck
Nevermind I bought the Garda gear from sedici. I'm dumb
@@DorkintheRoad I haven't ridden in much rain yet and I try to avoid it but I have a separate rain suit for it that works very well. I didn't plan on relying on this suit solely.
I am pretty sure that is the jacket I have as well and I am very happy with it so far. I have not been caught in a torrential downpour yet, I do have rain gear as well. The Sedici isn't Gortex etc. Price reflects that.
It's what I wear. Fantastic gear at a great price. Kept me dry in our Texas rains..
How is it in hot weather though???
It will be interesting to see how you like it in the heat
OK, just received a set of gear , here's MY first impressions on FIT only, (have not used it on a ride yet):
I'm 5"11 or so, and 245 lbs , maybe 47/48 size in chest
Typical motorcycle gear I would need to get an XXL or higher in order to fit me (think RevIt brand) , the XL jacket size is a PERFECT fit for me.
Also, I would wear a pant size typically of 38/40 length x 30 inseam.. the size 38 MSR pant fits VERY well, and i swear feels almost tailored to fit me . Both still fit with base and midlayers underneath.
The pants I could see getting a bit too tight IF i put on a few extra lbs, but the range of motion on these things is EXCELLENT!
I do feel that tightness in the elbows a bit, BUT its not that noticeable for me, and honestly, if someone else hadn't pointed it out, i might not have even noticed it..
The material feels very tough, and that superfabric feels bulletproof...
Those are my initial impressions on fit ONLY, not usage..
They seem like gear that will last me a LONG time, BUT time will tell
The one question I have regarding the eVent fabric, is they say to 'wash it often' .. what is often? once a month, after every ride, twice a year? I'd be curious to find that out , otherwise by far, hands down, the burliest riding gear I've ever owned..
Best Shania twain quote ever.
I completely agree about all the zip in liner options. I've purchased so many jackets and pants and I immediately remove all the liners and stow them in the closet never to be used. What a wSte
I would like to see a side by side comparison with Klim gear. Wish they came out with this gear sooner.
Big Rock Motot just did a side by side comparison of Klim Carlsbad 🙌
Appreciate the review & comparison! I've come from my sport oriented riding with my gear choices in the past but now getting further into dual sport & sport touring. These may very well be my next gear purchases.
That was one advantage of the ARC Battleborn gear, 500 all in for the pants/jacket combo and it came with thermal liners
Thanks for the honest review Dork in the Road ....the lack of zipper attachment between jacket and pant on the MSR is the deal breaker....looking at the REV'IT! Sand 4 H2O Jacket and pants...a bit more spendy but looks like a better design...
So next we can hear about the hot weather test and how much it can vent? Riding from cold and wet to hot and dry back to back!
Send me some hot weather and I'll get right on that
@@DorkintheRoad Mexico?
Me: shopping the MSR ADV gear..."I wonder if Dork has his review up on UA-cam for this gear yet..."
...checks the channel..."MSR video posted 3 hours ago"
Me: "BOOM!!"
I got you!
The wife got me a set in grey for my BDay and this stuff is awesome! I wouldn't be surprised if the price increases in the future. I found the sizing to be right on point. I saw a few loose stands but nothing excessive at all. I would like to see an option to zip the jacket to pants but no big deal. There is a bit of a pinch on the crease of the arm but PLEASE dont let that stop you because this is EXCELLENT gear for the price and even if it were more expensive!
Having slid a couple hundred feet down the asphalt on my back with my trusty KLR sliding on her side right beside me showering sparks…I was mighty glad that my Klim jacket was firmly zippered to my pants
Well, I'm sold. Once the snow melts I'll be getting a set of these. I'm really digging the blue and orange, that orange really pops without looking silly.
Would love to see a detailed comparison video between msr and the Klim gear. Thank you!
I’m waiting for a company to make duct tape leg cuff closers, seems to be the only system that works for me!🤪
That ID pocket on the left arm was stolen from AeroStitch originally so I guess it’s fair game these days.
Thanks for an in-depth look at the MSR gear. 👍
I’m still planning to buy it through your link. I’m trying to drop some weight before making the purchase. Made a few lifestyle changes after retiring.
always thought MSR was better just so hard get here in Australia & sells out my size so fast online
This looks great! I talked myself into a Knox Urbane Pro mesh motorcycle shirt recently. I loved the idea of the protective garment as the base layer with the armor worn over a thin polyester shirt and any insulation or waterproofing layered over that. Knox is a European brand and I'm an American so I bought a much larger size than the fit chart stated, to make sure it wasn't too small. It was too small. I have long but thin arms, and it was like a straight jacket. I had to fight a claustrophobic feeling as I tried to remove the jacket and the sleeves constricted on my arms like Chinese finger cuffs. The return shipping to the Netherlands was $65, which is a lot to pay to try on a jacket that I ultimately didn't want, so I appreciate Rocky Mountain offering one free return shipping on clothing purchases.
When considering the weight, remember that the jacket and pants are waterproof so you don't need the weight or bulk of packing a rain suit.
I like the added breathability compared to Gore-Tex. I mostly ride in warm weather where breathability is a good thing (in addition to the large vents) and I can wear a very thin windproof shell under the jacket if I want to be warmer... or I can wear my ultralight heated vest under the jacket.
I'm European, I take a large in Klim or xl in most Alpinestar or Revitt kit, but had to go XXL in the Urbane at 6 foot tall and 200 lbs [ get me doing US measurements] with a broad back 46" chest and a 34" waist so a pretty odd shape. I like the Urbane but even in xxl it kind of still digs into my back.
@@TheIdlesurfer - I loved the concept of the Knox Urbane Pro. Too bad it didn't work for me. Maybe if someone made the same tight fitting garment with sleeve zips as well as a front zip so it's loose when putting it on and taking it off. It's odd that there is American and European sizing. There's no significant genetic difference. Americans are just a lot fatter based on our bad lifestyle choices. That's embarrassing.
The gear looks good. But not sure you can compare this to what the battleborn was. I paid $185 for my battleborn jacket, and over 4 years later, it's still holding up perfectly - I like it even more than another Klim jacket I have. I don't think you can ask people trying out the sport, or just getting started to shell out $400 on a jacket. It's probably a great jacket for the price, and likely much better than the arc, it just doesn't represent the same value
Well done, thank you for the breakdown. And put me on the YES list, for wanting to see the comparison video.
Just bought a pair of pants only. Considering returning them without riding in them because of the gusseted fly. To take a pee one would have to undo the buckle, unzip the fly, then pull the pant down four to five inches to relieve yourself. Frankly, the function of the gusset escapes me. In rain it would collect water because the gusset forms a pocket inside the zipper. Thinking about having the pant altered by cutting the gusset then hemming the edges to keep the cut from fraying.
Welp. You convinced me. Just ordered the jacket (via your link).
You had me at "Super Fabric"!!!
I strongly think that suspenders is a must while wearing most types of motorcycle pants.
Nice review, the MSR stuff looks like some good riding gear. its nice to know the sizes fit normal, since some other brands set all of their sizes to only fit "lighter" riders. I have the Alpinestar Andes v3 jacket, for the price it is great for commuting and adventuring. now i need a good pair of pants to go with it.
Appreciate the candid comparison!
Excellent review. I have had this set in my cart and will click the link on your channel and get it.
So, that’s why I think of Polish fireman when watching your videos. 👍👍
Great review my friend. Through the years I have done the hodge-podge accumulating good gear that worked for me at budget prices due to circumstance.I have been riding back country for a tad over 50 years now- back when work boots/helmet/leather jacket and gloves was what there was unless racing. Through the years I have tried and added nearly every brand of something to my riding. I do not have Klim only because of the expense AND I have found hot/wet/cold gear that piece for piece and what I do to it (silicon spray, etc) that I have a large closet of specific gear for summer/WET/winter riding and other for nicer days/more road trip stuff/ride-hike-walk days, etc. It CAN mean from Bilt gloves, Leatt or LS2 helmet, EVS protective gear,Alpine Stars, TCX or Fly boots. And quite a few others. I got them on sale after checking reviews so was able to get pretty darn good gear for riding back in the mountains as a BDR Ambassador and a gear sponsored rider for EVS Sports protective gear with a wide range of gear yet always really good protection no matter the price point. I was a cop, raised five kids and still rode. That did not leave much money for gear but it IS available- maybe last years model- but it works. There is nothing wrong with getting what you can afford but should never feel like decent equipment is not out there at decent prices to put into gas and your trip.
Oh man the best part of the vids your snowman making!! ha ha ha that sold me right there! Great vid and I will get the top jacket and ride with different pants. I do not like to match my top with bottom. Anyhow love the vid showing yourself actually use the gear in falling snow and icy roads, cold wet climate! Thank you so much!
Solid review!
Got my eyes on that jacket and will use the link when I make the buy. Thanks bro
They almost knocked it out of the park with this gear. It's a shame they didn't go level 2 with the armor and at least include pockets for chest Armor. So it's more of a really good shell to pair with an armored level 2 shirt.
Kim is ce level 2 armor. Plus lifetime time warranty and 5 year crash warranty. Cannot find anything on the msr warranty.
I ordered the voyager set and I love it! Want a set of these next. Great review man love your vids 😎
Thanks man. Please continue to keep it real.
Super helpful, thank you! Especially appreciate a "big man" perspective.
I'm set with Klim pants, but the jacket...waterproof and a pocket for a water bladder, that's super tempting.
Great review.
Wondering if anyone has used these above 80°F or 30°c ?
Also what there under layers are like for cooler weather?
Thank you all.
Badass. Thanks for the review, I’ll be looking into this for my next set! I’m based in Baker City and ride the same places you so pretty often so it’s a very valid review for me!
ill tell you what the pocket on the sleeve is for a badge for federal bases.
If only they’d come out with an option for tall skinny guys. I’d buy a set today!
Just ordered the pants and jacket through your affiliate link.
Appreciate your content.
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You are the man Ben.... Your recent intention and effort is definitely noticed and appreciated. Thank you, Oh and I like your channel better that Ian's 😂😂
Well done dork! 😁
Getting my first adv bike next month and need first adv jacket and pants. 🙏🏽
3do level 1 is one big difference to mention one, klim is level 2 for the real deal.? Which you should always pick (higher level is better protection) and that will cost extra money
Awesome review video as always. Love what your doing keep it up!!!
I saw this gear show up on RMATV a while back and it definitely looked good. Had I not recently gotten the Carlsbad, for a price that highly annoyed me for what it is, I would have jumped on this MSR adv gear. All of the MSR gear I already have is excellent. The velcro on my Olympia pants cuff works more than well enough. But i hem my pants to fit properly. Appreciate your review! Nice snow angels! 😂 And thank you Rocky Mountain for all the great stuff.
Excellent review as always! People should not underestimate the mid-tier (or even budget) options when it comes to apparel. It's often surprisingly good (just stick to reputable MFR's, obviously-fake gear is no bueno). I've been rocking a (relatively) cheap Sedici suit (CycleGear house brand) for the last three years and it's served me quite well in the mild-to-hot climates where I ride. I originally bought it as an emergency stopgap when the main zipper on my Aerostich broke right before a trip, but ended up liking it so much that it's become my primary suit. However, it's starting to show some wear and I'm planning a weeklong ride in Iceland. So I think it's time to upgrade to something more capable (especially more waterproof). I really didn't feel like spending a grand or more on Klim or Rev'It-good to know there is an option that basically splits the difference in price between those and what I have now, but is closer to the "top-drawer" stuff in quality!
I agree that the lack of a connecting zipper is a bummer, and potentially a small hit to safety as well. Isn't the main purpose of that to prevent the jacket from riding up if you end up sliding feet-first on your back? I'm sure I've been told that...
Here’s the question how does this suit do in the summer? Am I going to roast to death? I’m having a helluva time finding quality hot summer weather gear…
I think it's gonna be okay, but I'll find out in Mexico next week.
@@DorkintheRoad I’ll be patiently waiting for an update review after you get back! Hope you have a great time down there
I wish they would restock soon on sizes for thicc bois like me. Looking for my first set of ADV riding gear after 10 years of riding and this seems to really be the best bang for the buck outside of buying used gear on ADV Riders Flea Market
I do like having the zipper for the jacket to pants thing. I really like that on my HWK gear.
Howdy @DorkInTheRoad!! Awesome review!!! Where can another “Large Fellow” find those suspenders!!?!
I love a deal, Klim is never on sale it doesn’t need to be I have the badlands pro and Baja s4 suits the best gear I have ever owned…..but this is what I’ll be buying for my sons as they are starting on their own ADV riding careers RMATVMC is my go to for parts and luggage. Now it will be where I go for apparel . Thanks for a great review.
Hi Sir, I've been using the Aerostich Darin standard pants for 10 years, on my second pair about 3 years ago at $350 and custom fit to my 30' inseam and fat boy waist has worked well for me. I'm currently using the A.R.C. jacket thank you for your content.
Think this might be my next set of gear. Just wish it came in more interesting colors!
Great Review. Come down to San Diego...Baja is great, I go twice a month! Make sure you hit the wineries in Valle deGuadalupe !!!
As always, a great review.
I swear by a light wool outdoors shirt for my mid layer. The kind you get from say Fillson, Pendelton or another 100% wool woven or felted shirt. It breaths & is warm as long as you have a solid wind break. Sometimes the wind can cut through the zipper if you don't have good mid line coverage. On that note I really want a good off centerline riding jacket. Like the OG bomber style leather jacket or the newer Captain America offset jacket where the zipper or w/e closure is on one side of the chest.
Timely review for me. I am actively looking at waterproof gear for my Alaska trip this summer. I currently have Tourmaster trek alpine gear, it’s nice but not waterproof. They do have a WP suit that is comparable in price to this MSR gear. I will check it out.
What gear did you end up choosing? Satisfied with it?
Great video! I'm heading over to their website now, as I had no idea about them. Thanks!
MSR Malcom Smith Racing has been around forever! Wore MSR off-road MX racing and their enduro jackets that could be taken off and worn like a fanny pack. Wouldn’t hesitate to buy anything from MSR.
This has been a great review of the gear. After checking the website, it appears that the pants do not come in "Short" leg lengths. This is dissapointing and I think that they will miss a large part of the market without that option. There are a lot of us riders out there with a large middle age waist and shorter legs.
Thanks for the review. Very good. Definitely considering this, and I'll use your links, so you get some $$. I was turned off by the comment of going to try on Klim gear to see proper fitment. I think it is unethical to use the brick and mortar stores for fitment knowing you will not be purchasing from them. Business owners have invested thousands in their locations and inventory. Let's not use them, but support them.
Just pulled the trigger on a set of these. I’m a tall guy but all upper body, 30” inseam, so I’m curious to see how they’re going to fit.
Another great review Ben. Keep ‘em coming. 👊🏽🍺
I also have a 30 inch inseam. I hope they fit!
@@DorkintheRoad For those reading this comment, you should know that RM’s policy for your first returns include free shipping, both ways.
Yeah but do they make them for the big fellas???
@@8andsk835 How big a fella are you?
@@spaztech I wear a 4xl klim jacket and I guess I got real lucky finding that one. In a t-shirt size I wear a 3XLT. I do want to find a better jacket than the klim induction because that’s only good for warm weather riding.
Enjoyed this alot! Thank you!